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RichmondVA
29 May 2003, 10:29 PM
If there's a criticism to be leveled at any one of the individual artists forming the supergroup The Thorns, it's that their music is well-crafted but not distinctive. Matthew Sweet, Pete Droge, and Shawn Mullins are all pop songsmiths who do not stray far from conventional song structures.

So it shouldn't be too surprising that this record contains no ass-shakin' beats, experimental noise, long guitar solos, weird instrumentation or anything similarly over-the-top. In fact it sounds pretty much like a Matthew Sweet record. For casual Matthew Sweet fans, the absence of the bluesy electrical guitar hooks of Girlfriend or Sick of Myself might be jarring. But anyone who owns a Matthew Sweet record knows he's never been a stranger to low-key pretty melodies with an acoustic sound: I've Been Waiting, Looking at the Sun, Nothing Lasts, Not When I Need It, etc.

The Matthew Sweet sound is easiest to pick out. His voice is the one that is most distinctive and none of the songs would be at all out-of-place on a Matthew Sweet album. But it's also not too hard to hear Shawn Mullins and Pete Droge's influence. You can hear their voices in the harmonies of course, but also in the way that the songs are so finely put together. I wouldn't say that Matthew Sweet dominates the cd by any stretch, but strict Pete Droge and Shawn Mullins fans might be a bit disappointed.

Think Tom Petty, The Byrds (and any time you think Tom Petty you have to think The Byrds), Crosby-Stills and Nash (ditto). A bit of Bruce Springsteen's mellow stuff (Roy Bittain plays the keyboards on the cd). There's a Travelling Wilburys feel to it, although I don't find this nearly as disappointing as the Travelling Wilburys which to me had a bit of an overly-produced, slick sound. Maybe Travelling Wilburys if you tossed out Jeff Lynne.

The cd starts off with the poppy "Runaway Feeling" and "I Can't Remember." The third song is a straightforward cover of The Jayhawks "Blue," that is a little disappointing. Not that it doesn't sound great, because it does. But "Blue" is such a great song that you would expect three musicians of this caliber to execute it well. One could argue that you shouldn't mess with a classic, and I suppose it keeps with the mindset of the cd, but with three great songwriters I'm more interested in seeing what they come up with on their own.

After Blue, the cd kicks into CSNY mode for "Think It Over." As someone who can't stand CSNY, this songs brings back bad memories of "Marakesh Express," but I think that's just me. "Thorns" has a little distortion rock swagger. Rolling Stone called it T Rex-like, but it's not really that glam. It sounds more like one of Matthew Sweet's pseudo-Beach Boys psychedelia songs-- "Lost My Mind" or "Come to California" maybe.

The rest of the cd follows the good ol' Americana/songwriter/pop-country mode. Pretty melodies and harmonies that sound effortless. It takes a lot of skill and work to sound that breezy, and those who enjoy picking songs apart to find the clever bits that make them tick will have a lot of fun here. If you listen closely there's definitely a bite to the lyrics, but not so much that it overwhelms the song. Again, typical of the work from any of the three players.

Every song on the cd feels instantly familiar, possibly too familiar for some. It's like your favorite well-worn, unglamorous but insanely comfortable sweatshirt. A very well-crafted, reassuring, easy-on-the-ears, relaxing cd, but you certainly aren't going to impress anyone with it.

Me? I'm a pretty mellow guy in my old age and I'm not much interested in going out anymore. I give it 4 stars out of 5.

Juliana
29 May 2003, 11:23 PM
I was actually coming to post a thread about this cd. Glad to see somebody else has it too.

I really dig the cd. I've only listened to it a couple of times so far, but I think it's a pretty solid disc.

I do think Matthew Sweet's voice stands out from the others, but that might be because I really dig Matthew Sweet quite a bit (I just love his voice). It's not like it's just a Matthew Sweet cd, only with backing vocals though. It's not that at all.

It is a well rounded group of people who can write a mean song, and who can obviously sing, just getting together and doing something that was probably a lot of fun for them.

I totally agree about the Beach Boys thing too. I thought I might be crazy though, so it's good to know that I'm not (see, we have proof now).

RichmondVA
29 May 2003, 11:56 PM
I'm kinda surprised at the lack of press this release has gotten. The only review I have seen of the cd was Entertainment Weekly(they were kinda "ehhh" on it), and Rolling Stone did a very perfunctory review on the website.

I do like the record quite a bit, and it kind of kicked off the summer cd buying season for me. I already know I must also own Grandaddy, Ian McCulloch, and The Jayhawks. I'm almost hoping WOXY doesn't play anything I like for the next few weeks so I can save some money!

Juliana
30 May 2003, 04:09 PM
I wouldn't have heard about this at all except through the Columbia newsletter, and through the Glen Phillips connection (Glen wrote one of the songs on the cd)

Ol-One-Eye
30 May 2003, 06:50 PM
They were on Letterman or Leno or Conan about 2 weeks ago. They sounded great! I went to a record store (not sure which one because I go all the time) and they placed thier CD in the Cristian rock section. Interesting. I will buy it eventually. It sounds like this band should tour with the Jayhawks and let's say . . . Wilco. What a great show that would be! I could imagine everyone on stage for a alt-country jam!

RichmondVA
30 May 2003, 06:57 PM
Yeah, that would be pretty kick-ass, but two out of three ain't bad. Unless you guys actually get Wilco at the OH show, too?

In DC we get Thorns/Jayhawks and then Wilco/Sonic Youth four days later. That is going to be brutal for me, but no way could I miss either show.

oh yeah. I might as well view the "enhanced" cd portion. You get a little video interview with the band. eh. Not really very exciting and definitely not much of an "enhancement."

I thought Matthew Sweet cames off kinda egotistical and Mullins looks like he's not into it at all, but I think I was probably just trying to make it more entertaining.

If you stick your cd in the cd-rom drive you can go to the website and see a video and get three acoustic live versions of songs streamed to you. Once again, eh.

Oh, and if you buy the cd from The Thorns website, it's 11.98 and you get an autographed booklet. By "autographed," I bet they mean "autopenned" but whatever.

Juliana
11 Jun 2003, 11:59 AM
From the Onion

The Thorns
The Thorns
(Aware/Columbia)
Pete Droge, Shawn Mullins, and Matthew Sweet make up The Thorns, a neo-supergroup that's part homage to classic easygoing California folk-rock, and part creative rejuvenation for three commercially faded guitar-pop troubadours. Produced and mixed by modern-rock soundsmith Brendan O'Brien, The Thorns' eponymous debut has the crisp shimmer of current radio product, while spotlighting harmonies and jangle familiar to fans of Crosby, Stills & Nash and its musical antecedents (or followers like Crosby/Byrds fan Tom Petty, whose sound The Thorns' most resembles). It's not too surprising that the three-man setup gives flesh to Mullins' wan singer-songwriter moves and twinkle to Droge's occasionally bland rootsiness. But it's especially appealing to hear the project reawaken Sweet, whose last couple of records have been accomplished-but-unexciting retreads of his early-'90s power-pop breakthroughs. The Thorns track "I Can't Remember" is a fairly standard dreamy Sweet ballad that gains vitality from Droge and Mullins' harmonizing and sideman Roy Bittan's keyboard work. Making room for other voices and other instruments seems to have loosened Sweet up, letting him breathe more freely. That's assuming that "I Can't Remember" is primarily a Sweet composition; The Thorns' songwriting credits are mostly shared, and all three voices appear on every track, leaving only the trio's personal quirks to cue which member is playing ringleader. Even those hints can be hard to discern, given the way the group actively evokes CSN and The Eagles, but the overt throwback exercises, like the gentle "Think It Over" and the forbidding "Dragonfly," offer some of The Thorns' best moments. The album's biggest problem is that it's not thorough enough: As enjoyable as fresh pop nuggets like "No Blue Sky" and "I Set The World On Fire" are, other similarly new-sounding tracks could stand more "Dragonfly"-style mustiness, if only because the nostalgic air is so paradoxically novel. The disc as a whole would also benefit from subject matter that matches the band's style, instead of an overarching tone of bittersweet romantic lament that's more in line with the self-obsessed late '90s than the mystic, communal early '70s. If there's a follow-up (and there should be), perhaps Droge, Mullins, and Sweet will give more thought to what makes a Thorns song, besides the gleaming surfaces.
—Noel Murray