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dcXhc
12 Mar 2003, 04:31 PM
Computer Hits

When a news release arrived announcing that a company in Barcelona, Spain, had developed an artificial intelligence application that could analyze a song and determine its potential to become a hit, it seemed to be a practical joke poking fun at the desperation and cluelessness of the music business.

But I regret to inform you that further research has determined that not only does this company, Polyphonic HMI, seem to exist, but there are already several major labels — Sony Music, RCA, and Universal UK — that are either using it or considering the option. Among its advocates is Muff Winwood, the former Spencer Davis Group bassist who is now an executive at Sony.

Tracie Reed, the vice president of the North American office of Polyphonic, said that the application, called Hit Song Science, was originally developed by Grupo AIA, a Spanish artificial-intelligence company. It analyzes the melody, beat, harmony, pitch, octave, timbre and other patterns in songs, and plots them on a chart that Ms. Reed said looked something like the Milky Way. Songs with similar elements tended to group together in clusters, she said.

One original idea for its use was to offer CD shoppers recommendations based on their favorite songs. But when executives at the company loaded every song in the Billboard Top 30 over the last five years into the program, they discovered that "lo and behold, they all had something in common," Ms. Reed said. What that something is, she added, is something that human beings cannot quite name but computer programs can recognize.

When the company discovered this, it decided to offer record labels the chance to compare unreleased songs to recent hit singles to determine their commercial viability. Ms. Reed said the company had already been paid to analyze unreleased songs by several major labels. She also said the company was offering a similar service to studios, so producers could get feedback on songs they were working on. "We think that Hit Song Science helps raise the bar for music," she said. "We empathize with the people who buy a CD and only like two songs. Let's get better music on more CD's."

A music executive who is working with the technology said the program also identified the "gold content" of a song. This is the part that is supposedly the most likable and can be sampled in television commercials, films and other songs. Several musicians and managers, when told about the technology, laughed at a future in which a computer program listened to their songs to determine if they were good enough to be released. Jordan Berliant, a music manager at Tenth Street Entertainment, said, "What creates a hit is that people have an emotional reaction to a song, in particular the lyrics. It's difficult to believe that a machine could gauge that."

Jaron Lanier, a computer scientist and musician who coined the term "virtual reality," said that the science side of the application seemed sloppy. "As for the music side of things," he continued, "I doubt pop music could get any worse, so using even a meaningless tool like this might result in some improvement."

Ms. Reed replied that the scientists at Grupo AIA were recognized as leaders in artificial intelligence.

postfeminist
12 Mar 2003, 06:12 PM
interesting article... very freaky though. i swear, since i started reading the posts and participating on these boards, i'm becoming more and more paranoid.

we could all postulate about the vast wasteland that is much of popular music, but i do find it interesting that a computer was able to "chart" them and find similarities...

that's nutty.

Ghost Rider
12 Mar 2003, 06:21 PM
The horror...the horror...

Phreon
12 Mar 2003, 10:30 PM
...because it's patently obvious that the music industry needs to produce more music identical to what's out today.


Phreon

onest2.0
12 Mar 2003, 11:56 PM
I wonder how Rush charts?

shivui
13 Mar 2003, 12:31 AM
raise the bar for music?
aren't they talking about only releasing those hits that have those things in common, basically creating the same song over and over again, just with little differences. now i'm not going to say that's not what i listen to now, but jeez.
raise the bar for music?

StaleTerror
13 Mar 2003, 06:45 AM
heh heh........
Muff Winwood.
is that a birth name?

classicgrrl
13 Mar 2003, 02:41 PM
This is absurd.

The market is going to change what then? How would Nirvana have faired on this with Cobain writing in F? This may work for commericial viability but they will have to make it quite easily changable (music market execs are NOT known for their intelligence) for market fluxes.

Would it have predicted the Dixie Chicks recent "hit" along with Norah Jones? And what constitutes a "hit" anyway? Billboard's charting long ago lost any concept of meaning...the music is only 50% of marketablitity the rest is scoiological factors. Does it take these into account?

What a waste of braincells...and frankly somebody from the Spencer Davis Group should know better.

Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is a TRUE sell out.
:rolleyes:

whitegirl
13 Mar 2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by classicgrrl
What a waste of braincells...and frankly somebody from the Spencer Davis Group should know better.

Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is a TRUE sell out.
:rolleyes:

heck yeah... i mean, we all saw what happened when a computer tried to create a song that everyone would like. it sounded like crap. i don't remember where i saw it, but honestly if you missed it... just imagine a whole bunch of sounds that people identify as good.... all lumped together. it was terrifying.

onest2.0
13 Mar 2003, 07:41 PM
I seem to remember something similar that was developed to analyze literature. You feed a novel into a machine and it would spit out whether it was good or not. I believe that Shakespeare scored horribly.

Kwyjibo
13 Mar 2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by onest2.0
I believe that Shakespeare scored horribly.

And that seems odd to you? Sounds like the system works.

beezlebob
14 Mar 2003, 07:05 AM
I thought this was a thread about those judges on American Idol. Damn.

classicgrrl
14 Mar 2003, 12:06 PM
:D

you guys crack me up!

Docta
14 Mar 2003, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by postfeminist
i swear, since i started reading the posts and participating on these boards, i'm becoming more and more paranoid.


as well you should be.... bwuahaha, bwuahahahaha

SteelTown Boy
15 Mar 2003, 02:12 PM
it's no wonder why people go to MP3s and internet radio....

kcneon
27 Jun 2003, 03:21 PM
I know this doesn't directly relate to the music we enjoy, but it is interesting what they are attempting to do. I totally disagree with it, yet I'm strangely curious......go figure! ;)

(I'd luv to see one of their detailed reports. This is just from a press release.)

The Polyphonic Report: June 23, 2003


HSS Hit Database analysis for this week reports some excellent results for: Real Good Man by Tim McGraw (Curb); If I Can't by 50 Cent (Shady/Aftermath Interscope); Go With The Flow by Queens Of The Stone Age (Interscope)

Real Good Man shows very close mathematical similarities to a previous Tim McGraw hit called My Next Thirty Years. Artists frequently revisit formulae that work. It is also closely related to the classic hit by the Righteous Brothers, You've Lost That Loving Feeling.

If I Can't is mathematically related to Mary Mary's Shackles (Praise You) as well as to Pink's Don't Let Me Get Me. Less obvious is its relationship to Ronnie Milsap's (There's) No Gettin' Over Me. While this song should do fine in today's market it is not highly likely that If I Can't will become a classic hit.

Finally, Go With The Flow has an extremely high recentness score meaning that this song could be catching a wave in the market. This is a very good thing to know when considering a song for single release as it can mean the difference between sinking and swimming. It bears some mathematical similarities to Blink-182's All The Small Things as well as to Avril Lavigne's Complicated. However these similarities are not especially close.

HSS looks at the underlying mathematical properties. If they are not optimal our research has shown time and again that the song most likely will not climb the charts. If they are optimal other factors must also converge to make the song a hit such as adaquate promotion and appropriate market conditions.

drworm8
27 Jun 2003, 11:37 PM
maybe these computer results will let the Flaming Lips know if their new song is too similar to a certain forgotten Cat Stevens song next time around....:)

All kidding aside, this new technology is ridiculous...popular music changes over time. Nirvana and Limp Bizkit, both popular rock artists in different periods of the same decade, do not sound similar musically or lyrically in many forms. With new technology used that "decides" what hits are made of, popular music will not evolve as it has done since the beginning of its existence. Everything will sound similar, boring, and stale. The public will become either bored or brainwashed, most likely the latter, because pop music listeners are generally casual music listeners and won't bother to "search" for the better alternative to this crap.

I'm with you guys....this is creepy...it makes me very worried over the future of music in general.