ATF Disrupts Assassination Plans

[Fourthisto]

What, no one has posted this?

McCain is the least of the troubles... Plot to kill Obama busted (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/APNEWSALERT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

Where are the details on this??? I saw this pop up as "breaking news" but hardly any details are out. WTF?

:eek:

Washington times (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/27/atf-disrupts-skinhead-plot-to-assassinate-obama-1/)

[euro60]

The plot was busted. End of story. Where is the on-going news value?:D

[Fourthisto]

The plot was busted. End of story. Where is the on-going news value?:DThere's a huge banner about it on MSNBC. SOMEONE thinks its pretty big news, man!

[the happy prole]

Buncha jack-booted thugs.*








*Apply to whichever group you feel appropriate.

[BigSugar]

Buncha jack-booted thugs.*








*Apply to whichever group you feel appropriate.

Commie Democrats. there. you said i could, so i did. :)

seriously though.....i don't wish ill on Obama and hope this kind of crap is isolated or overblown.....but, they got Kennedy, so might i suggest no open top cars for inauguration.

[Sushi]

might i suggest no open top cars for inauguration.
Can they put a shield on Obama's unicorn?

This seems to be a secondary story in most of the outlets I've looked at. Ultimately it was just two young (and from the photographs, stupid) guys who thought they were going to kill 88 people (including 14 beheadings) and then kill Obama. From what I've read, they said they were going to wear white tuxedos with tails and top hats and drive toward Obama and shoot him. Police said there was no evidence at this time that they had anyone else involved in the plot. (From adelphia.net.) (http://adelphia.net/news/read.php?ps=1018&id=15023761&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCL1_UNEWS)

They're a couple of fucking dumbass, in-bred, hill-jack morons.

[Tweeks_Coffee]

Can they put a shield on Obama's unicorn?

This seems to be a secondary story in most of the outlets I've looked at. Ultimately it was just two young (and from the photographs, stupid) guys who thought they were going to kill 88 people (including 14 beheadings) and then kill Obama. From what I've read, they said they were going to wear white tuxedos with tails and top hats and drive toward Obama and shoot him. Police said there was no evidence at this time that they had anyone else involved in the plot. (From adelphia.net.) (http://adelphia.net/news/read.php?ps=1018&id=15023761&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCL1_UNEWS)

They're a couple of fucking dumbass, in-bred, hill-jack morons.

Yeah, but if enough of them get together for a single cause (say, an Obama inauguration) than they may succeed.

I was talking with a friend of mine and he's convinced that the VP is eventually going to run the country. Either McCain or will keel over or someone's gonna pop Obama, by his reckoning. So I believe he was leaning democrat because he didn't like Palin at all.

[juggles]

Yeah, but if enough of them get together for a single cause (say, an Obama inauguration) than they may succeed.

I was talking with a friend of mine and he's convinced that the VP is eventually going to run the country. Either McCain or will keel over or someone's gonna pop Obama, by his reckoning. So I believe he was leaning democrat because he didn't like Palin at all.

Golly, maybe the Secret Service should consult with South Africa where they've successfully protected a series of leaders from the historically oppressed ethnic group in a country notorious for racial violence. Shouldn't we start giving ourselves a little credit?

[classicgrrl]

I think a serious attempt will be made on Obama's life once he's president. I also believe the secret service will but an abrupt end to whomever douche bag decides to attempt it.

you don't fuck with the secret service.

[euro60]

I think a serious attempt will be made on Obama's life once he's president. I also believe the secret service will but an abrupt end to whomever douche bag decides to attempt it.

you don't fuck with the secret service.

I agree.... this will be on everyone's mind, but the security around Obama once he's elected will be nothing like we've ever seen before

[juggles]

Anybody else think this plot was hatched around a Styrofoam cooler full of PBR's under the bleachers at the local demolition derby?

There's no shortage of people who would gladly go to the gallows for the chance to end the Bush reign of terror early and no one has succeeded. Yet.

Damn, I probably just made somebody's watch list.

[Duemellon]

This isn't the only attempt of some seriousness on Obama's life. During the Dem's national convention there was a group of people who had the desire, the guns, & the time to do it that got busted. They were just morons enough to have chosen the wrong hotel. They thought Obama was in the hotel they rented rooms at but, because he wasn't, they couldn't. They got busted with an armory in their car.

The governor of CO suppressed the news & downplayed that they were targetting Obama.

If your candidate has more threats against them they usually garner more votes. That is why the Repub Governor of CO would want to marginalize the story. Same as this news report getting minimal coverage.

[Unrequited]

I see McCain-Palin have energized their base.

[jneale]

Can they put a shield on Obama's unicorn?

That made me laugh...of course the as we all know, the combination of messiah and unicorn power creates an impenetrable cloak of magical protection

This is the second attempt if I recall - there was an NPR story & I think it was the FBI (or maybe ATF) that said it really wasn't real as the people were too high - but they did have documented proof - so it was going to be treated like an assassination attempt.

I may be naive, but I don’t believe there will be an assassination. & I don’t understand why it is a fear some people have – little bush created a fake war & he didn’t get snuffed out.

[Tweeks_Coffee]

That made me laugh...of course the as we all know, the combination of messiah and unicorn power creates an impenetrable cloak of magical protection

This is the second attempt if I recall - there was an NPR story & I think it was the FBI (or maybe ATF) that said it really wasn't real as the people were too high - but they did have documented proof - so it was going to be treated like an assassination attempt.

I may be naive, but I don’t believe there will be an assassination. & I don’t understand why it is a fear some people have – little bush created a fake war & he didn’t get snuffed out.

Because all the radical gun nuts that would assassinate someone love Bush. However, they're the ones that would be pretty opposed to a black man being in office. The leader of the KKK has posted multiple death threats has said the Obama, if elected, will be whacked.

[Foofur]

I heard on the news this morning that the two idiots arrested were 'kicked out' of their hate group. That is some serious hate for that to happen. Apparently these two were going to wear all white tuxedos and top hats when they planned to assassinate Obama. Maybe they can still wear that when they're anal raped in prison.

Dumb & Dumber (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1027081obama1.html)
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[taylor]

being kicked out of a "white supremacist group" for being too hateful is like getting kicked out of an "irish punk band" for being too drunk. sorry shane.

[drougan]

I agree.... this will be on everyone's mind, but the security around Obama once he's elected will be nothing like we've ever seen before

Oh....I've seen it.... The security details they have around the president and VP now are enough to make any half baked assassin think twice. And those are just the guys you can see.

The inaugural parade route runs right up PA avenue, same as every other parade in most of the last century. You'd better believe the secret service knows every square inch of it. If anyone is going to try and test the security detail it sure as hell isn't going to be on their home turf. Either way, what will probably go down is there will be a high security zone for several blocks where the prez will walk and wave and have a photo op, then he'll hop in the heavily armored limo for the rest of the trip.

[berzerker]

That made me laugh...of course the as we all know, the combination of messiah and unicorn power creates an impenetrable cloak of magical protection



At the very least, it would give him +8 on his saving throw.

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/original/20%20sided%20die.jpg

[Angel30]

being kicked out of a "white supremacist group" for being too hateful is like getting kicked out of an "irish punk band" for being too drunk. sorry shane.

:D:D:D

I am glad I swallowed my lunch before reading this... or else I would be wiping down my computer screen. :p

[PeterABnny]

I may be naive, but I don’t believe there will be an assassination. & I don’t understand why it is a fear some people have – little bush created a fake war & he didn’t get snuffed out.

Little Bush wasn't black and wanted to change the direction of the country in ways that small-minded people aren't comfortable with.

The way I look at it, for every one plot disrupted there are probably three more in the making, somewhere. Fortunately, I think one of the benefits of this post-9/11 security mentality we have means it would be WAY harder to hatch the kinds of plots that might otherwise have gone under the radar.

[Duemellon]

The way I look at it, for every one plot disrupted there are probably three more in the making, somewhere. Fortunately, I think one of the benefits of this post-9/11 security mentality we have means it would be WAY harder to hatch the kinds of plots that might otherwise have gone under the radar.Man, it's not that hard to assassinate anyone. Especially not our president. I thought of 2-3 cheap ways to do so in as many minutes that are, indeed, unstoppable.

But now that I posted that I expect I won't be on these boards much longer. Or seeing sunshine. Oh well. I didn't say I would assassinate the president. I was just proving a point.

Our president is very accessible & we expect him to be so. Maybe he'll spend the 1st 4 months hiding in the White House & not making any public appearances?

I hope against it but expect it to happen. I would say more but someone rang my doorbell. My pizza is here! I gotta go get the door.

[BigSugar]

Little Bush wasn't black and wanted to change the direction of the country in ways that small-minded people aren't comfortable with. b/c god knows that noone could have a single legitimate issue with ANY of Obama's proposals.....you'd have to be a retarded, one-celled creature to object to the Supreme Being Obama's tax hikes or extra trillion dollars per year in entitlement spending, including his doomed for failure universal health proposals......me grog. me not know better. me go back cave now. ugg.

The way I look at it, for every one plot disrupted there are probably three more in the making, somewhere. Fortunately, I think one of the benefits of this post-9/11 security mentality we have means it would be WAY harder to hatch the kinds of plots that might otherwise have gone under the radar. so, you're good with the PATRIOT Act now? wow.....talk about your all time turn arounds. LOL! fwiw, "security mentality" isn't worth shit if you don't have the "security apparatus" in place to identify and handle threats. just a caveman's opinion though...

[Tweeks_Coffee]

b/c god knows that noone could have a single legitimate issue with ANY of Obama's proposals.....you'd have to be a retarded, one-celled creature to object to the Supreme Being Obama's tax hikes or extra trillion dollars per year in entitlement spending, including his doomed for failure universal health proposals......me grog. me not know better. me go back cave now. ugg.

Oh Christ, we're talking about why people may want to assassinate Obama more than Dubya. if Dubya didn't get shot for his policies than it's doubtful Obama would so that wasn't a point to be made. So what difference could there be between the two? Maybe the fact that Obama is black and there is still rampant racism in this country? Please pay attention if you're going to insult people, it'd be a big shame if you looked foolish some more.

[twentyshots]

Because all the radical gun nuts that would assassinate someone love Bush. However, they're the ones that would be pretty opposed to a black man being in office. The leader of the KKK has posted multiple death threats has said the Obama, if elected, will be whacked.

while a generalization, I think there is something too this. when I think of domestic terrorism it seems like lefty nut jobs attack ideas rather than actual people and righty nut jobs tend to go after people. abortion clinic doctors come to mind.

of course there are just straight up nut jobs who aren't poltically motivated also.

the secret service is one organization I do have faith in though. once, I was staying at the Peabody in Memphis while Clinton was there. from my room I could see snipers on the roof and fire escapes all night. guys in the hallways and just riding the elevators all night too. it wasn't even a big stop in the news for Clinton, unannounced I think.

[BigSugar]

Oh Christ, we're talking about why people may want to assassinate Obama more than Dubya. if Dubya didn't get shot for his policies than it's doubtful Obama would so that wasn't a point to be made. So what difference could there be between the two? Maybe the fact that Obama is black and there is still rampant racism in this country? Please pay attention if you're going to insult people, it'd be a big shame if you looked foolish some more.

LOL! Did you even read the QUOTE that i posted from Peter at which my response was directed!?? I guess not b/c you're attack makes no sense whatesoever in the proper context. what Peter was saying was that if you oppose the changes that Obama wants to make, you are smallminded. it had nothing to do with skin color. Sooooooooo.......go back. read. comprehend. then respond. b/c, you know.......it would be ashamed if you looked foolish some more.

[BigSugar]

while a generalization, I think there is something too this. when I think of domestic terrorism it seems like lefty nut jobs attack ideas rather than actual people and righty nut jobs tend to go after people. abortion clinic doctors come to mind.

i haven't done any of the research, but i'll bet you everything i own against everything you own that there has been a whackjob lefty terrorist action by ELF more recently than there has been a bombing of an abortion clinic by ANY right wing group.

you up for it? no fair looking, i didn't. but i'm a gambler and i think you're suppositions are 100% wrong.

[Tweeks_Coffee]

LOL! Did you even read the QUOTE that i posted from Peter at which my response was directed!?? I guess not b/c you're attack makes no sense whatesoever in the proper context. what Peter was saying was that if you oppose the changes that Obama wants to make, you are smallminded. it had nothing to do with skin color. Sooooooooo.......go back. read. comprehend. then respond. b/c, you know.......it would be ashamed if you looked foolish some more.

We aren't talking about your average voter here, we're talking about the people that would take up a gun against the president because he was black. I'd say that by and large, those people would be pretty "small minded" and that's why they'd take issue with an Obama presidency.

[markalot]

Who was the last president to be shot? What was his party?

[BigSugar]

We aren't talking about your average voter here, we're talking about the people that would take up a gun against the president because he was black. I'd say that by and large, those people would be pretty "small minded" and that's why they'd take issue with an Obama presidency.

that's not what Peter wrote. try again. his comments about "small minded people" is directly referencing those people who would object to the change that Obama wishes to bring about in the country, not the color of his skin. the skin color reference is separated from the "change" reference by the word "and". i'm not an English major, but i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[BigSugar]

Who was the last president to be shot? What was his party?

Reagan. Republican. but to be fair, Jodie Foster was way cuter then.

[twentyshots]

i haven't done any of the research, but i'll bet you everything i own against everything you own that there has been a whackjob lefty terrorist action by ELF more recently than there has been a bombing of an abortion clinic by ANY right wing group.

you up for it? no fair looking, i didn't. but i'm a gambler and i think you're suppositions are 100% wrong.
hell no! I don't know what you own?!
I am not even gonna say what I think you own cuz that would be rude.
but, I am not talking about organizations I was talking about individuals. individuals nutty enough to get kicked out of their organizations like the two shitheads that started this thread.

[twentyshots]

Who was the last president to be shot? What was his party?

but that had less to do with Reagan than with jodi f.

I think the implication of this discussion is would Obama's life be in danger BECAUSE he was a black president.

[jneale]

it had nothing to do with skin color.

well, it is the get out of jail free card in this election

[Arkansas]

well, it is the get out of jail free card in this election

o no u did-n!

[Measure Up!]

Last ELF action: March, 2008

Last abortion clinic attack: December, 2007

Both were actions were arson and the buildings involved were unoccupied.

[jcarwash31]

that's not what Peter wrote. try again. his comments about "small minded people" is directly referencing those people who would object to the change that Obama wishes to bring about in the country, not the color of his skin. the skin color reference is separated from the "change" reference by the word "and". i'm not an English major, but i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Let's back up here.

Little Bush wasn't black and wanted to change the direction of the country in ways that small-minded people aren't comfortable with.

This statement doesn't say that if you disagree with Obama, then you are small-minded. It also doesn't say that all small-minded people disagree, or aren't comfortable, with Obama. It does say that there are people who are uncomfortable with the direction Obama wants to take the country because of their small-mindedness.

Also, it certainly does have to do with skin color. There is no reason for the skin color reference to be in there if it has nothing to do with skin color. It is clear that you aren't an English major. If the "and" were separating the two statements, as you claim, then Peter's quote would be equivalent to:

Little Bush wasn't black. Little Bush wanted to change the direction of the country in ways that small-minded people aren't comfortable with.
Clearly, this isn't what he was trying to say.

[BigSugar]

hell no! I don't know what you own?!
I am not even gonna say what I think you own cuz that would be rude.
but, I am not talking about organizations I was talking about individuals. individuals nutty enough to get kicked out of their organizations like the two shitheads that started this thread.

i own my own business. i own my own condo in Park Hills. i own a cute doggie who is adorable. i own a plasma tv and a huge projection tv and i own two xboxes linked for co-op play. i own a shitload of music and several sources to play it. i own various cash and non-cash sources of wealth. i own at least one assault weapon that the govt. knows about. i own a jeep wrangler 4dr (to be fair, it has a few scratches and dings, but that's what jeeps are for). pretty boring stuff mostly.....

but, being the honest guy that i am, you could own nothing but the dirty underwear on your ass and it's not a fair bet now....i looked and i was right. March 3, 2008 is the last ELF terrorist action (burning of a subdivision in Seattle) and the last abortion clinic issue was a planned attack by a suicide bomber that was stopped in the planning stages in December 2007. Prior to that, the last abortion clinic terrorist action was in 1998. in lieu of payment, you can simply make a donation to mikebrownsucks.com in my name. :)

[BigSugar]

Let's back up here.


This statement doesn't say that if you disagree with Obama, then you are small-minded. It also doesn't say that all small-minded people disagree, or aren't comfortable, with Obama. It does say that there are people who are uncomfortable with the direction Obama wants to take the country because of their small-mindedness.

Also, it certainly does have to do with skin color. There is no reason for the skin color reference to be in there if it has nothing to do with skin color. It is clear that you aren't an English major. If the "and" were separating the two statements, as you claim, then Peter's quote would be equivalent to:

Little Bush wasn't black. Little Bush wanted to change the direction of the country in ways that small-minded people aren't comfortable with.
Clearly, this isn't what he was trying to say.

the sentence actually says what it says. you can place emphasis where you wish in the actual structure, but if you diagram the sentence out, the reference to small mindedness was directly refering to those who are uncomfortable with the changes Obama wants to make in the direction of the country.....even a one celled, retarded creature like myself can understand that.

and for the record. you can separate. ideas. {with} more than periods.

[berzerker]

I think the only thing that I've learned from this thread is that "context" and "sematics" are both words in the English language.

[twentyshots]

i own my own business. i own my own condo in Park Hills. i own a cute doggie who is adorable. i own a plasma tv and a huge projection tv and i own two xboxes linked for co-op play. i own a shitload of music and several sources to play it. i own various cash and non-cash sources of wealth. i own at least one assault weapon that the govt. knows about. i own a jeep wrangler 4dr (to be fair, it has a few scratches and dings, but that's what jeeps are for). pretty boring stuff mostly.....

but, being the honest guy that i am, you could own nothing but the dirty underwear on your ass and it's not a fair bet now....i looked and i was right. March 3, 2008 is the last ELF terrorist action (burning of a subdivision in Seattle) and the last abortion clinic issue was a planned attack by a suicide bomber that was stopped in the planning stages in December 2007. Prior to that, the last abortion clinic terrorist action was in 1998. in lieu of payment, you can simply make a donation to mikebrownsucks.com in my name. :)
well it sounds like you are an urbane fellow with a taste for the finer things but that "bet" still doesn't address my overall point. first of all, ELF does not actively try to kill people. you can argue whether what they do is right or wrong but they want to damage property mostly. i couldn't find any examples of ELF related deaths (where is yosh when you need him?). property damage is a different story. secondly, here and abroad (mostly here and canada) more people, doctors and security guards, seem to have been killed in abortion clinic violence than by ELF. thirdly, this is germane to what i was originally saying only in that politically left wackos generally target ideas while politically right wackos target people.

that said, i have chosen to donate my undies to mike brown anyway.

[Shlep]

Yeah, but if enough of them get together for a single cause (say, an Obama inauguration) than they may succeed.

I was talking with a friend of mine and he's convinced that the VP is eventually going to run the country...someone's gonna pop Obama, by his reckoning.

I'm inclined to think that these conclusions you and your friend arrived at fell a few light-years short of giving due weight of consideration to the fact that the intended target is-- and if elected, surely will be-- afforded the protection of a cadre of some of the most elite, disciplined, ruthlessly efficient, and dedicated law enforcement agents in the world, 24/7/365, who are fully prepared to assure the safety of the person they assigned to protect to the point of putting themselves in the path of an assassins' bullet, and who also log countless hours and miles travelled running down and investigating every passing threat made by every fringe and loon they become aware of.

At the very least, I think it goes without saying that if someone is ever going to succeed in killing Obama (or anything Chief Executive of the US), they will have to have more wit and cunning than two guys whose plan starts with a shockingly horrific killing spree which will immediately result in a small army of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers carrying out a massive, tireless manhunt focused on stopping them and then end with them trying to kill the leader of the free world while clad in gaudy-- and hilariously inappropriate-- formal attire which will cause them to stand out like a Mardi Gras float full of transvestite nuns to every uniformed and plainclothes Secret Service officer (including any number of them scanning the entire parade route through the reticle of high-powered rifle scope).

[twentyshots]

I'm inclined to think that these conclusions you and your friend arrived at fell a few light-years short of giving due weight of consideration to the fact that the intended target is-- and if elected, surely will be-- afforded the protection of a cadre of some of the most elite, disciplined, ruthlessly efficient, and dedicated law enforcement agents in the world, 24/7/365, who are fully prepared to assure the safety of the person they assigned to protect to the point of putting themselves in the path of an assassins' bullet, and who also log countless hours and miles travelled running down and investigating every passing threat made by every fringe and loon they become aware of.

At the very least, I think it goes without saying that if someone is ever going to succeed in killing Obama (or anything Chief Executive of the US), they will have to have more wit and cunning than two guys whose plan starts with a shockingly horrific killing spree which will immediately result in a small army of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers carrying out a massive, tireless manhunt focused on stopping them and then end with them trying to kill the leader of the free world while clad in gaudy-- and hilariously inappropriate-- formal attire which will cause them to stand out like a Mardi Gras float full of transvestite nuns to every uniformed and plainclothes Secret Service officer (including any number of them scanning the entire parade route through the reticle of high-powered rifle scope).I agree. it seems like the secret service is freakishly good at what they do. in fact, I am more worried about Obama on the campaign trail than when/if he takes office. I know they protect him now but he is at so many places everyday and often outside.

[Tweeks_Coffee]

I'm inclined to think that these conclusions you and your friend arrived at fell a few light-years short of giving due weight of consideration to the fact that the intended target is-- and if elected, surely will be-- afforded the protection of a cadre of some of the most elite, disciplined, ruthlessly efficient, and dedicated law enforcement agents in the world, 24/7/365, who are fully prepared to assure the safety of the person they assigned to protect to the point of putting themselves in the path of an assassins' bullet, and who also log countless hours and miles travelled running down and investigating every passing threat made by every fringe and loon they become aware of.

At the very least, I think it goes without saying that if someone is ever going to succeed in killing Obama (or anything Chief Executive of the US), they will have to have more wit and cunning than two guys whose plan starts with a shockingly horrific killing spree which will immediately result in a small army of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers carrying out a massive, tireless manhunt focused on stopping them and then end with them trying to kill the leader of the free world while clad in gaudy-- and hilariously inappropriate-- formal attire which will cause them to stand out like a Mardi Gras float full of transvestite nuns to every uniformed and plainclothes Secret Service officer (including any number of them scanning the entire parade route through the reticle of high-powered rifle scope).

Whoa now, I never said I agreed with him.

There's already been two plots to kill Obama and he isn't even in office yet, though. So I'm sure if he gets elected there will be plenty more coming. How far those get is somewhat debatable really. Obviously these two half-wits were nowhere near actually making an attempt on his life. Hell, they hadn't even robbed the gun store to get their weapons yet.

I agree with you that while there may be attempts, it's extremely unlikely that anyone will actually succeed. There may be one or two legitimate attempts on Obama's life (there hasn't yet been, as far as I'm concerned) if he's elected, but I seriously doubt anyone will actually succeed.

[yoshomon]

well it sounds like you are an urbane fellow with a taste for the finer things but that "bet" still doesn't address my overall point. first of all, ELF does not actively try to kill people. you can argue whether what they do is right or wrong but they want to damage property mostly. i couldn't find any examples of ELF related deaths (where is yosh when you need him?). property damage is a different story. secondly, here and abroad (mostly here and canada) more people, doctors and security guards, seem to have been killed in abortion clinic violence than by ELF. thirdly, this is germane to what i was originally saying only in that politically left wackos generally target ideas while politically right wackos target people.

that said, i have chosen to donate my undies to mike brown anyway.

There are no recorded cases of an ELF action hurting, much less killing, anyone.

[Duemellon]

...it's extremely unlikely that anyone will actually succeed.It's not that hard.

[Duemellon]

Anti-tank rockets
Long range rifles
Thrown bombs assembled on sight
A knife during a handshake
Bringing someone infected with a disease in contact with him
Shurikens, darts, other non-metal range weaponry

[clonE]

Anti-tank rockets
Long range rifles
Thrown bombs assembled on sight
A knife during a handshake
Bringing someone infected with a disease in contact with him
Shurikens, darts, other non-metal range weaponry

you're funny

[the infected ploy was actually used in some season of that reality show 24]

[drougan]

Anti-tank rockets
Procure some anti tank rockets and outline a practical solution for their deployment that doesn't expose you to the hail of gunfire of trained marksmen who are, in fact, always anticipating you, and then maybe we'll consider this one. Oh, one more thing, if you can figure out which of the half dozen or usually more black windowed vehicles the target is actually in at any given time you should be picking lottery numbers. (this is assuming you're not sneaking a missile launcher onto a freakin parade route, but rather catching him while he's moving around town.)

Long range rifles
Well there's a thought, especially since it was the most recent successful assassination. You'll still have to find a) a place to set up with a clear shot/line of fire while still being concealed and b) actually be that good a shot. Keep in mind that again, they're looking for you and the prez doesn't exactly ride around in convertibles anymore.

Thrown bombs assembled on sight
What? How are you going to get something lethal within throwing distance of the C-in-C? They use metal detectors and bag searches. Maybe if you have some crazy nerve gasses you'll have a chance if you're delivery method doesn't incinerate the chemical upon detonation.

A knife during a handshake
Now we're getting into the really low probability of success options. How you plan to get the knife past the inevitable metal detectors and through the pressing crowd of people just dying to get near and shake hands with the leader of the free world is beyond me at this point.

Bringing someone infected with a disease in contact with him
Again, access to the prez is a supremely rare event, and what diseases have such a high rate of infectibility and a high rate of fatality that this is a practical option?

Shurikens, darts, other non-metal range weaponry
You mean short range weaponry. Where even if you're poisoning the tip you still have to get close enough to use it and a good enough shot to get through whatever crowd there is, plus a ring of security people who are deliberately closely ringing the POTUS at all times he's out in public.

Not to say that any of these notions are impossible, but once you drop the probability to a certain low, it doesn't matter anymore.

[Duemellon]

Anti-tank rockets
Procure some anti tank rockets and outline a practical solution for their deployment that doesn't expose you to the hail of gunfire of trained marksmen who are, in fact, always anticipating you, and then maybe we'll consider this one. Oh, one more thing, if you can figure out which of the half dozen or usually more black windowed vehicles the target is actually in at any given time you should be picking lottery numbers. (this is assuming you're not sneaking a missile launcher onto a freakin parade route, but rather catching him while he's moving around town.)Why are you firing at a vehicle you don't know he's in? Why would you only fire one if you wanted to get the whole procession?Long range rifles
Well there's a thought, especially since it was the most recent successful assassination. You'll still have to find a) a place to set up with a clear shot/line of fire while still being concealed and b) actually be that good a shot. Keep in mind that again, they're looking for you and the prez doesn't exactly ride around in convertibles anymore.You wait until they're out of the car shaking hands. The secret service has no ability to cover every window. They can only respond to points they suspect as being likely.Thrown bombs assembled on sight
What? How are you going to get something lethal within throwing distance of the C-in-C? They use metal detectors and bag searches. Maybe if you have some crazy nerve gasses you'll have a chance if you're delivery method doesn't incinerate the chemical upon detonation."assembled on sight"

It's not too hard to make a bomb out of non-metal parts. Heck, the 1st hand-grenades were made out of pottery. You can bring the parts separately with co-conspirators, plant them, or find some way to bring them in. Yes, the items themselves don't set off alarms.A knife during a handshake
Now we're getting into the really low probability of success options. How you plan to get the knife past the inevitable metal detectors and through the pressing crowd of people just dying to get near and shake hands with the leader of the free world is beyond me at this point.Okay, again, you're stuck on the "metal" part. A deadly cutting/peircing weapon doesn't have to be metal. Hell, it could be an icicle for all intents & purposes.Bringing someone infected with a disease in contact with him
Again, access to the prez is a supremely rare event, and what diseases have such a high rate of infectibility and a high rate of fatality that this is a practical option?You don't have to be infected yourself. I just shorthanded that. You could basically replace that joybuzzer with some KGB umbrella needle stuff.Shurikens, darts, other non-metal range weaponry
You mean short range weaponry. Where even if you're poisoning the tip you still have to get close enough to use it and a good enough shot to get through whatever crowd there is, plus a ring of security people who are deliberately closely ringing the POTUS at all times he's out in public.These are all low-tech things. I'm not talking about getting him while he's at the podium, but when he's going around the country for whatever reasons. At a black-tie speech, walking down a street, whatever.

Well, in summation & closing:
I don't really feel comfortable talking about this. The yokels who have been trying to assassinate him have been going about it thinking conventionally. Therefore, they've been getting busted. I'm fine with that. They shouldn't get any help from me on thinking outside of the box. They need to just spend time in a box.

[Shlep]

Anti-tank rockets

These are just a tad hard to come by, and at least as hard to conceal. The smallest man-portable anti-tank rocket that readily springs to my mind (the AT-4) would be too big for Shaquille O'Neal to stuff under a particularly baggy coat and escape notice, and would probably be the hardest of any model to acquire on the black market. The more ubiquitous examples of this sort of hardware are harder to conceal, and decidedly less accurate; the RPG-7 and its cloned variants are about as accurate as a Chinese bottle rocket beyond 300 meters, and you can rest assured there is not a square inch of ground within that radius around the Prez not being watched by Secret Service agents who could drop a potential assailant like 3rd-Period French in an instant.

It is also worth bearing in mind that during most of the inaugural parade (and afterwards, every trip the President takes from Point "A" to Point "B" when not airborne) the President will be maxing and relaxing in the back of a Cadillac fortified with enough ballastic armor to withstand a direct hit from most small armor-piecing explosives (including IEDs).

Why are you firing at a vehicle you don't know he's in? Why would you only fire one if you wanted to get the whole procession?

One AT rocket would not take out the whole procession; being shape-charged armor-piercing weapons, their explosive force on detonation is focused in a small area. And you can bet your ass that one rocket is all you'd get off, if at all.

Long range rifles

First, the potential assassin would have to receive and successfully assimilate the marksmanship training required to hit a man-sized target from a distance of several hundred yards. It's far from impossible, to be sure-- I, and every other current and former member of the Marine Corps can hit a target that size with a modestly-powered rifle up to 500 yards away. To hit from further out takes more skill, especially if the target is moving around and surrounded by a phalanx of security guards.

As with the anti-tank rockets, these weapons require a clear line of sight over some distance to be successfully, and prior to the President arriving in any city on Earth, a team of Secret Service agents has scoped out the Presidents' path of travel and taken great pains to observe and note (among other things) every feature of the surrounding environment that would afford a potential assassin a hiding position with a clear trajectory to the President. Rest assured, the feds will be watching it.

Thrown bombs assembled on sight

First of all, you'd need to find a spot where you would be afforded the privacy and time necessary to assemble such a device, then get close enough to use it. And the chance that an assassin might try using this method has been known to security professionals since at least 1914, when Serb nationalists tried to take out Archduke Franz Ferdinand that way (and failed).

It's not too hard to make a bomb out of non-metal parts. Heck, the 1st hand-grenades were made out of pottery.

Yes, the first hand grenades were made out of pottery. The ones I believe you refer to were first deployed by Chinese soldiers centuries ago, but instead of explosives, they were filled with poisonous snakes which when hurled at an advancing foe would came slithering out of the busted clay pot pissed off and trying to bite everyone around them.

Good luck getting close enough to the President to hurl a giant terra cotta pot full of angry vipers at him. Especially if Samuel L. Jackson is around.

A knife during a handshake

...would get snapped off in the forehead of anyone dumb enough to think they can just sidle one up alongside the Prez and shiv him without getting bum-rushed by half a dozen Secret Service agents.

Bringing someone infected with a disease in contact with him

Of course! It'd be easy to get someone infected with a virulent, lethal disease so deadly that it would render the best medical care in the world useless (I hear the Prez has really good medical benefits) close enough to tongue-kiss the Chief Executive.

Shurikens, darts, other non-metal range weaponry

...are not lethal. Anyone wishing to kill the President really ought to avoid using ideas culled from watching Kung Fu Action Theater at two in the morning.

[Tweeks_Coffee]

Good luck getting close enough to the President to hurl a giant terra cotta pot full of angry vipers at him. Especially if Samuel L. Jackson is around.

Dear Lord, please let someone try this. I will laugh heartily for days if some guy gets busted trying to sneak a pot of snakes close to the president.

Can Samuel L. at least do a new movie? "I'm sick of these mother-f****n snakes on my mother-f****n president!"

[Arkansas]

I think this guy has what you are looking for Due...

http://comcisland.joueb.com/images/iron_man.jpg

[Duemellon]

Snakes? WTF dude.

Snakes.

I know, I know, you all think it's impossible & that's great. Considering how, in the 1980's, could someone shoot Reagan? He was surrounded by MIBs, yet... got shot.

Why? How?

I know you are all putting way too much faith in the secret service & shit like that. It really doesn't take much to do it. Kinda like blowing up a building. It can be done by one person with time & just a bit o' scratch. Not every terrorist/assassination has to be some clandestine operation involving massive training or fundage.

[Fourthisto]

[the infected ploy was actually used in some season of that reality show 24]You know, I was thinking about that show a while back (was it on here?) and thought of some coincidences about Barack Obama & David Palmer (fake president from 24) :

Both Senators, graduated from law school, black Democratic presidential candidates, both have Allstate insurance.... etc.

I was hoping hate-mongering idiots wouldn't be inspired by fiction, but maybe they were.

The only thing I really liked about this whole thing (other than it was unsuccessful of course) was the reaction. (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24571788-663,00.html)

Senator Obama briefly addressed the foiled assassination plot. "I think what's been striking about this campaign is the degree to which these kind of hate groups have been marginalised - that's not who America is," he said.

"That's not what our future is," Senator Obama said.

"What I've found is that people here, they don't care what colour you are.

"What they're trying to figure out is who can deliver."

Asked if he was concerned for his safety, he said: "I've got the best folks in the world - the Secret Service."

Senator Obama was given around-the-clock Secret Service protection early last year, months earlier than any other candidate in history.

[berzerker]

Bringing someone infected with a disease in contact with him

Of course! It'd be easy to get someone infected with a virulent, lethal disease so deadly that it would render the best medical care in the world useless (I hear the Prez has really good medical benefits) close enough to tongue-kiss the Chief Executive.


Have you ever watched 24? Happens all the time. Only Jack Bauer can really save PotUS.

[drougan]

I know, I know, you all think it's impossible & that's great. Considering how, in the 1980's, could someone shoot Reagan? He was surrounded by MIBs, yet... got shot.

Why? How?


Actually, he got shot at, and was hit by a ricochet. And interestingly enough, was not surrounded by the agents, but they were primarily walking behind him. The Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_assassination_attempt) is actually a pretty interesting read and has some good photos.

Hinkley fired 6 shots in 3 seconds and still, pretty much missed.

[Slar]

Okay, again, you're stuck on the "metal" part. A deadly cutting/peircing weapon doesn't have to be metal. Hell, it could be an icicle for all intents & purposes.
What about pointed sticks?

http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/comedy/python/images/banana.gif

[Shlep]

I know you are all putting way too much faith in the secret service & shit like that.

Did you perhaps take care to notice that this thread was precipitated by news of an assassination attempt foiled by federal law enforcement agents?

Due, the only person here with a wildly skewed perception of how guys like the US Secret Service stack up against moody, angry loners or groups of moody, angry joiners with a grudge, beef, or twisted desire to achieve historic infamy is you, and this idea you seem to have nurtured that *anyone*, if they really want to, could just set out and succeed in slaying a political figure or dignitary under their care is laughable.

Exhibit A: your list of proposed methods for doing in the Chief Executive. I must say, it comes across exactly as one would expect such a list compiled by you would: long on creativity, but sorely lacking in technical knowledge or consideration.

Federal agencies like the Secret Service, Homeland Security, and the DOE (at least in regards to nuclear facilities) retains the services of everyone from top-notch security consulting agencies to Hollywood scriptwriters who are handsomely compensated by the government to concoct nightmare scenarios involving assassinations, terror attacks, and the like which are then evaluated and used to create security and/or improve security measures in place involving high-risk targets.

Then we have the real-life scenarios involving stuff that has happened. In the 58 years that the Secret Service has been protecting Presidents, only one-- Kennedy-- has been slain by an assassin, who as we all know (Oliver Stone excepted) used a scoped rifle from a moderate distance. WHen you proposed using a "high-powered rifle" to shoot at the President, did it not occur to you that in the 45 years since that maybe the Secret Service has taken steps to foil such an attack that have gone well beyond hoping like hell someone else doesn't get the same bright idea and try it again?

Since you seem to think killing off the Prez is so easy, I also must wonder if you think that the lack of assassinated Presidents since 1963 has largely to do with a lack of willing assassins who would have loved to do the honors.

[Duemellon]

Hinkley fired 6 shots in 3 seconds and still, pretty much missed.Due to reaction? Bad aim? Poor tactics by the shooter? What needed to go right for his attack to be successful?

To avoid assassination Barack's best bet would be to stay in the White House for the 1st year.

[Fourthisto]

that said, i have chosen to donate my undies to mike brown anyway.Just doing your part to keep the streak alive, eh? :eek:

[berzerker]

that said, i have chosen to donate my undies to mike brown anyway.

Just doing your part to keep the streak alive, eh? :eek:

* shudder *

[twentyshots]

this thread has gotten out of control. i can handle slander or landing on the wiretappping list but not both!
:eek:

[Shlep]

Whoa now, I never said I agreed with him.

Noted.

There's already been two plots to kill Obama and he isn't even in office yet, though. So I'm sure if he gets elected there will be plenty more coming.

I'd say that there have few, if not to so no, occupants of the Oval Office who've not been the focus of some unhinged individuals' grudges or demented desire for notoriety. The idea that Obama is somehow going to get special consideration in this regard because he's black is, in my opinion, misguided if not just plain silly. Being older and/or whiter than Obama has done little to prevent other Presidents from being targeted for assassination. I also don't think that it makes sense to assume that Obama might be more likely to be assassinated because there seems to be a predictable and plausible reason for someone wanting to kill him (in this case: racial hatred) when prior Presidents have been marked for assassination for reasons which reasons which were just plain crazy, such as impressing Jodie Foster, avenging the Confederacy, or addressing the social inequities of the American political system.

[PeterABnny]

LOL! Did you even read the QUOTE that i posted from Peter at which my response was directed!?? I guess not b/c you're attack makes no sense whatesoever in the proper context. what Peter was saying was that if you oppose the changes that Obama wants to make, you are smallminded. it had nothing to do with skin color. Sooooooooo.......go back. read. comprehend. then respond. b/c, you know.......it would be ashamed if you looked foolish some more.

If you weren't so full of self-congratulatory arrogance and feeble attempts to sound pithy you'd find that Tweeks_Coffee WAS spot-on correct in what I was trying to say. You, I'm sure, would disagree, but there IS racism still rampant in this country, and there are people - a great deal of people - who are so racist they could never bring themselves to vote for a black man for President. Those ARE small-minded people. Furthermore there are some people who are so racist that they've decided that they couldn't live in a world governed by a black President, and are, regardless of how possible or impossible their plans, are laying designs to kill a new black President. Those also are small-minded people. It has EVERYTHING to do with skin color! So I might ask YOU to please go back, read, comprehend and then respond.

What kind of off-shore correspondence school did you get your degree in law from, anyway, that you can't recognize the conjunction "and" as joining two subjects in a sentance? I'd diagram my post to you but I haven't time, so you'll just have to take my word for it. But as long as we're on the subject, I would also say that the abject fear that you conservatives have that you're somehow going to be taxed into poverty under an Obama administration and that this country is destined to become a socialist nation is being small-minded as well.

Caveman, indeed...