Sarah drops the GOP credit card @ Nieman Marcus

[The Ugly Thief]

ha ! I love this.


http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081022/Palin.Clothing/


my favorite part :

"It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign." :D


will we also find out they bought her 10 new custom-made eyeglass frames as well ?

v

[jneale]

I swore to give up political talk till it was over but this topic pisses me off to no end – so much so that I e-mailed Morning Joe this AM.

Do you really think that Obama is wearing a JC Penny suit when he gets up on stage?

Do you really think that elevating someone to campaign doesn’t include some kinda makeover & the cost is way more than any of us would spend?

& don’t give me that “she said she was a regular hockey mom who shops at wal-mart” BS either – if she had wal-mart clothing on you’d say she was trailer trash.

This is one more pile of horseshit to take the focus off the issues.

(and no V i'm not calling you out on this, you just fell for it like they wanted you too)

[Macpherson]

she is using campaign money for this.

[purple_octopus]

she is using campaign money for this.

Isn't a campaign just political marketing? And isn't all this crap just putting Sarah Palin in a prettier package? So she is more marketable? I don't see the problem.

[frizgolf]

Yep.
Campaign money for a prettier ad. Campaign money for a prettier campaigner.
What's the dif?

[drougan]

she is using campaign money for this.


No, she's using GOP money for this, which is even less of an issue. I would have thought resonable expenditures for clothing and appearance would be valid campaign expenses, like travel and accomodations, but I guess not.

However, spending 150k on clothing hair and makeup isn't going to look good for any candidate trying to appeal to voters who have to take out a 30 year mortgage to spend that much money.

[jneale]

she is using campaign money for this.

Do you think Obama flew around the world on his own milk money? Do you think the clothing he wears to all his campaign events are paid for out of his own pocket?

Where did the money come from the movie set used for the democratic convention? How much did the DNC pay for that little bit of Roman drama?

The campaign pays for everything, including what ever it takes to create the image that sells – it is all marketing.

This CRAP is only news because she is a woman.

The media still hasn’t figured out that she isn’t running for president & those that are voting for McCain aren’t going to change their mind because the media is trying to paint Palin as a fool.

[the happy prole]

She's actually NOT using campaign money. It's illegal to use campaign money for personal expenses. That includes clothes.

She's using GOP funds to get around that rule.

And no, it wouldn't be such a big deal except here is someone who has trumpeted how 1) She is just a plain ol' hockey mom of the people, and 2) She brags about being a fiscal hawk who sold the governor of Alaska's jet 3) She's basically taking advantage of a loophole to get around campaign finance rules and her running mate was the architect of campaign finance reform.

No one cares that she dresses up. They care that she's a hypocrite.

[jneale]

However, spending 150k on clothing hair and makeup isn't going to look good for any candidate trying to appeal to voters who have to take out a 30 year mortgage to spend that much money.

& if she'd gone on the cheap the media would have painted her as some crazy huntress unable to dress like a proper lady

[REMgirl]

Not to mention the prolonged shitstorm Edwards got for his $400 haircuts...

Sorry, $150,000 over three months is too much. Period.

[frizgolf]

Well, unless the GOP said explicitly that the money (if indeed they were freely offering it) would instead go to feed starving babies unless she accepted it, I really still don't have a problem with it.

[jneale]

make fun of her all you want

she isn't running for the top spot

[drougan]

& if she'd gone on the cheap the media would have painted her as some crazy huntress unable to dress like a proper lady

There's a lot of wiggle room between 150k and what you and I would call "cheap".

[Macpherson]

She's actually NOT using campaign money. It's illegal to use campaign money for personal expenses. That includes clothes.

She's using GOP funds to get around that rule.

poorly worded on my part.

still, for a campaign that is floundering and unable to financially compete with the dems, it's a complete waste of money. it has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman. it has to do with the fact that they spent that much money in that short of a time span on clothing. she doesn't even look any different.

but i guess you can't just put lipstick on a bulldog. you have to put an overpriced cashmere coat over it too.

[tempo]

Some people might think it contradicts her regular-gal persona, but yeah, it's nothing scandalous.

If you're looking for indulgent spending of *taxpayer* money, almost any politician would qualify. Apparently Palin does too:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.travel.ap/index.html

[Unrequited]

She should have spent that money on colonics, she's so full of shit.

[The Ugly Thief]

(and no V i'm not calling you out on this, you just fell for it like they wanted you too)

y0, what-EVA !

the man wears Wal-Mart ties & eats ramen noodles every night !!!!!!!

so there !

v

[The Ugly Thief]

Not to mention the prolonged shitstorm Edwards got for his $400 haircuts...

do you really think that was just for a haircut ? That's like assuming guys are willing to pay $400 for a massage @ a Korean massage parlor.


"you want happy ending .... ?"

;)

v

[REMgirl]

I just saw this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/22/9355/4279/150/638528

:D

[frizgolf]

"you want happy ending .... ?"


You're killing me, V. :p

[Predot listener]

Isn't the bigger issue that she spent a lot of that money at Saks Fifth Avenue in New York, where the unreal Americans live?

[frizgolf]

Isn't the bigger issue that she spent a lot of that money at Saks Fifth Avenue in New York, where the unreal Americans live?

Hey, she's just helping those $10 an hour clerks who fear losing their jobs, y'know? ;)

[Fourthisto]

Hey, she's just helping those $10 an hour clerks who fear losing their jobs, y'know? ;)Ah, we finally get to meet "Joe Cashier". :p

[Hellburger]

do you really think that was just for a haircut ? That's like assuming guys are willing to pay $400 for a massage @ a Korean massage parlor.


I read also that there's been upwards of $5000 spent on McCain's makeup personnel. You think that's all been spent to make him not look like a cancer patient, or he's been getting a little...eh, skip that, maybe it does take that much to keep the melanoma from showing.

Just keep in mind that no matter how much money the GOP spends, they still care deeply for Joe Sixpack and Joe the Plumber, unlike that elitist Obama.

[Unrequited]

Isn't the bigger issue that she spent a lot of that money at Saks Fifth Avenue in New York, where the unreal Americans live?

Yes, that part of America that isn't "Pro-American", you know the city that was attacked on 9/11. Stupid whore. :rolleyes:

[frizgolf]

Ah, we finally get to meet "Joe Cashier". :p

Yeah, he sold that plumber a six-pack.

[Arkansas]

Distraction

[The Ugly Thief]

$5000 spent on McCain's makeup personnel. You think that's all been spent to make him not look like a cancer patient

yes i do believe it was all spent on making him not look like a cancer patient. Seriously. I have no doubt that guy looks like death w/out his makeup crew.

i wouldn't be surprised to find out that he's had some cosmetic surgery as well

v

[akip]

i didn't donate to the RNC, so she's not spending my money. she's mainly spending the donations of people who want to exceed the individual candidate's campaign contribution limit of $2300---chances are they shop at neiman's too. they're probably happy to see her in a oscar de la renta suit. anyway, not my problema.

now, if i were generous enough to have maxxed out with $2300 for my man barack, and i'd gone on to shovel more cash towards the DNC (limit: $28,500), i'd be happy to help out with wardrobe costs. i'd be watching him on my tube, thinking, "damn, he looks good in that suit i bought him." ;)

[Hellburger]

i wouldn't be surprised to find out that he's had some cosmetic surgery as well

v
Well, he did have that wife transplant a while back.

[akip]

Well, he did have that wife transplant a while back.

:D

now THAT woman is wearing some money, though i'm assuming it's all on her dime.

[Fourthisto]

Well, he did have that wife transplant a while back.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Fourthisto/DAMN.gif

[Arkansas]

The folks making an issue of this are the Democrats version of Rush and Fox "News". Take the high road.

[Hogarth]

Aw, c'mon, don't spoil our fun!:p

[Duemellon]

Do you really think that Obama is wearing a JC Penny suit when he gets up on stage?

Do you really think that elevating someone to campaign doesn’t include some kinda makeover & the cost is way more than any of us would spend?

& don’t give me that “she said she was a regular hockey mom who shops at wal-mart” BS either – if she had wal-mart clothing on you’d say she was trailer trash.

This is one more pile of horseshit to take the focus off the issues.Your statement makes no sense.

You can't use campaign funds to pay for personal effects. That's clear. Obama might not wear hand-me-down from Osama, but he is paying for his clothes himself.

Palin? They had to go about it a different way to get the fancy/attractive clothes on her back.Do you think Obama flew around the world on his own milk money? Do you think the clothing he wears to all his campaign events are paid for out of his own pocket?

Where did the money come from the movie set used for the democratic convention? How much did the DNC pay for that little bit of Roman drama?

...

This CRAP is only news because she is a woman.You're sounding more & more insidiously disconnected from reality. Actually Obama could pay for his own clothes.


The stage & effects could come out of campaign $ because it's not a personal affect


You're playing the gender card rather clumsily. She's not being persecuted because she's a woman, she was nominated because she was a woman. When you base your identity on a particular aspect, you fully deserve to be criticized for it.& if she'd gone on the cheap the media would have painted her as some crazy huntress unable to dress like a proper ladyThe panicked insane rationalization continues.

Again, you're trying to make it about gender. In this case, it's about appearance more than anything. If McCain or Obama were wearing ½ priced suits from the Men's Warehouse they'd be raked over the coals for not "looking the part". However, that's not the issue here, is it? It's about her getting personal effects through manuevering by the GOP because her million-dollar-ass isn't gonna pay for it. That's fiscal conservativism right there.make fun of her all you want

she isn't running for the top spotThe final nail in your own coffin.

The only role the VP has every single day of their employment... the actual ONLY reason they even exist in the 1st place... is to be the "top spot" at the drop of a hat.

That lil' tie-breaking thing was just to give them a reason to wake up before noon during the normal weekdays.

[Macpherson]

The folks making an issue of this are the Democrats version of Rush and Fox "News". Take the high road.

well we'd debate her positions on issues if she had any.

zing!

[the happy prole]

btw, the point of these rules isn't really to prevent wasteful spending. It's because the candidate is getting a personal benefit and it leads to corruption or at least what we deem as unfair practices.

Nieman-Marcus gets a benefit from Palin in the profit they made off the clothes they sold her and the publicity they get from her wearing their clothes. One hand washes the other, so next time Palin needs a favor, Nieman-Marcus is there for her. It's a cozy and mutually beneficial relationship paid for by the the public.

[Slar]

Aw, c'mon, don't spoil our fun!:pYeah, but it's stuff like this that promotes general mean-spiritedness on both sides. Honestly all it accomplishes is getting your opponents all fired-up and generates more support for McCain.

Just be cool. :)

[Arkansas]

Yeah, but it's stuff like this that promotes general mean-spiritedness on both sides. Honestly all it accomplishes is getting your opponents all fired-up and generates more support for McCain.

Just be cool. :)

Word. There are so many substantial arguments about why McCain/ Palin should not be leading the country. Why would this even be on the radar?
It's in the same vein as Flag Pin Gate. Silly.

[classicgrrl]

make fun of her all you want

she isn't running for the top spot

and she couldn't win that either...:o

[markalot]

From the WP, pertinent facts that make this a legitimate story, in my opinion.

And if I can be frank here, she doesn't look good enough to justify 150K of whatever. :D

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/22/AR2008102202187.html?hpid=artslot

...

On good days, Americans are smart and tolerant people. They might have been surprised about exactly how much Cindy McCain spends on her Oscar de la Renta and Escada dresses, but the price tag didn't contradict her public image. A de la Renta day dress, by the way, rings up at about $5,000. The political handlers weren't trying to present this heiress as a regular gal who knows what it's like to worry about paying the mortgage. Perhaps she can empathize with such a crisis, but this is a woman who told Vogue that the kids loved her beachfront condo so much and came to visit so often . . . she bought another one just for them.

Americans do not begrudge the men custom-made suits. When Barack Obama went on a shopping spree with Hart Schaffner Marx before his nomination acceptance speech in Denver, few people blinked over his new $1,500 suit. He has even gone on to buy a couple more. But it was also conveniently revealed that Hart Schaffner Marx is an American label that manufactures its tailored clothing in Des Plaines, Ill. John McCain's $520 Ferragamo shoes aren't that big a deal either, despite what his critics had to say.

And who could forget the gush-fest Michelle Obama unleashed when she wore a $148 Donna Ricco dress on "The View" and told the audience, "You put a little pin on it and you've got something going on." That little moment overshadowed all the thousand-dollar designer ensembles featuring Thakoon, Isabel Toledo and others that she has worn. One dress was worth a hundred over-paid image consultants, political advisers and spinmeisters.

So when Politico.com rooted out the financial details of Palin's wardrobe makeover ( http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html ), the jaw dropped, the eyes blinked in disbelief at the total and the mind whirled at the idiocy of it all.

The purchases were paid for using Republican National Committee funds. It was only a matter of time before the dollar figure became public and the question of legality would be raised. One wonders where the Palin stylists were during the $400 haircut kerfuffle caused by John "I am a populist and the son of a millworker" Edwards. He received two such pricey haircuts during the Democratic primary and they were billed to his campaign, which is how everyone found out about them. (He later said the billing was in error and offered reimbursement.) Didn't they learn anything about the relationships between fashion, image and perception from the beating Edwards took?

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[REMgirl]

"Didn't they learn anything about the relationships between fashion, image and perception from the beating Edwards took?"

IOKIYAR ;)

[Lonestar]

They're running their campaign on Joe the plumber! (this week, atleast) It would take Joe 4 years to make $150,000. I don't think this fairs well with the Joe the plumbers of the world. Stupid move.

[jps]

Firstly. I don't care about how much she spent.

Secondly. And I may be borrowing some from above posts here but isn't it more disturbing that any of the men in this can wear the same 5 or 10 suits over and over and over and over and nobody blinks. If she starts wearing the same things over and over people would talk. And apparently clothing for her costs more than clothing for him. Kind of like, I bet her hair cuts cost a shit ton more than a man's haircut.

I don't know... anybody know how much Hillary spent on her campaign wardrobe?

Seriously. I'm a bit more concerned that she can't at least recite the job description of VP from the constitution.

[Shlep]

I'd love to know what partisan Democrats expressing outrage over this think that Democrats mounting a serious campaign for any high elected office spend for wardrobe, hair, and makeup to wear while stumping at public appearances.

Well, that and what partisan Democrats would say if Sarah Palin was cruising campaign stops decked out in the latest fashions from Kohl's or Macy's. My guess is that she would be ruthlessly ridiculed and savaged by the Dems and their ideologically-aligned media flacks for utterly embarrassing herself for going around in public engaged in something as serious as campaigning for VP looking like some low-brow, common/simple rube...which is to say, looking like the very sort of person Democrats laud as being the sort of "real" Americans who are the backbone of our great nation, and which they love and feel special kinship with...except when they vote Republican, because they're so gullible and easily-duped.

[the happy prole]

You all are deliberately overlooking the point. It's not that she spent money to up her charisma. It's HOW she spent the money, and how that spending fits in with her message.

[classicgrrl]

So if the election is in God's hands why exactly did she need to spend that much on her image? btw- this is fucking scary...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/rel_palin_dobson

Palin says election result rests in God's hands
Print By ERIC GORSKI, AP Religion Writer Eric Gorski, Ap Religion Writer – Wed Oct 22, 1:54 pm ET AP – Republican vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin gestures while speaking at the University …
Slideshow: Gov. Sarah Palin Play Video Video: McCain: 'I've been tested' CNN Play Video Video: Who's telling the truth CNN DENVER – Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin describes herself as a "hard-core pro-lifer" and expresses confidence that in spite of disheartening polls, "putting this in God's hands, that the right thing for America will be done at the end of the day on Nov. 4."

In an interview with evangelical leader James Dobson that aired Wednesday, Palin said she thought Republican presidential candidate John McCain would implement the GOP platform if elected — "I do, from the bottom of my heart" — but McCain doesn't support the platform on three issues important to evangelicals: abortion, gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research.

The platform calls for a constitutional ban on gay marriage, an issue McCain says should be left to individual states. Similarly, the platform seeks a constitutional ban on all abortions; again, McCain supports allowing states to decide the question. McCain supports research using embryonic stem cells, which the platform opposes.

Palin called it a "strong platform" and told Dobson, "They are there, they are solid, we stand on them and, again, I believe that it is the right agenda for the country at this time."

The Alaska governor talked by phone with Dobson for about 20 minutes Monday while she was in Colorado campaigning. Dobson's Focus on the Family radio program aired the interview Wednesday.

Dobson asked whether Palin was discouraged by polls showing the GOP ticket behind.

"To me, it motivates us, makes us work that much harder," Palin said. "And it also strengthens my faith, because I'm going to know, at the end of the day, putting this in God's hands, that the right thing for America will be done at the end of the day on Nov. 4. So I'm not discouraged at all."

Palin has not focused on her faith on the campaign trail, but it clearly has energized evangelical leaders like Dobson, whose radio show reaches an estimated 1.5 million Americans daily.

Dobson has come around to supporting the McCain-Palin ticket after previously saying he could not in good conscience vote for McCain. He endorsed former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee late in the primaries.

Palin thanked Dobson and supporters for their prayers and — when Dobson inquired about the importance of faith in her life — said: "It is my foundation, yes, my Christian faith is."

She also used terms like "prayer warrior" and "intercession" — words that might be unknown to the average listener but are common vocabulary in Pentecostal Christianity. Palin spent 20 years in a Pentecostal Assemblies of God Church, but she usually refers to her faith generically as Christian, not even evangelical.

"It is that intercession that is so needed and so greatly appreciated," Palin told Dobson. "And I can feel it too, Dr. Dobson. I can feel the power of prayer, and that strength that is provided through our prayer warriors across this nation."

She continued: "When we hear along the rope lines that people are interceding for us and praying for us, it's our reminder to do the same, to put this all in God's hands, to seek his perfect will for this nation, and to of course seek his wisdom and guidance in putting this nation back on the right track."

Describing herself as a "hard-core pro-lifer," Palin said the birth of a son with Down syndrome was "this opportunity for me to really be walking the walk and not just talking the talk. There's purpose in this also and for a greater good to be met there."

Palin said the campaign had to have faith that its message will be heard "minus the filter of the mainstream media."

"That filter has to be erased," she said. "So we have to have faith in the wisdom of the people that they'll understand what our message is. But even bigger that then, I have to have that faith that God is going to help us get that message out there."

[Shlep]

You all are deliberately overlooking the point. It's not that she spent money to up her charisma. It's HOW she spent the money, and how that spending fits in with her message.

If you're suggesting that there exists some deep schism between how she seems to want to be perceived and the reality of her circumstances...well, I can't really argue with that. What I *WOULD* be inclined to ask is:

1) Why should I think that it is anything more, or less, than cynical and hypocritical political pot/kettle bullshit for her ideological/political opponents to call her out for doing exactly what the folks *they* support are doing?

And by extension...

2) Why, with all the other things worth considering and mulling over when trying to decide who to vote for in an important federal election to determine who will lead the country, should I even give a shit about this? Assuming, of course, that it is understood that I am aware that $150K for wardrobe and primping for two months is loose change under the sofa cushions relative to what comes out of either partys' coffers while funding a bid for high elected office (which I am).

[jneale]

You all are deliberately overlooking the point. It's not that she spent money to up her charisma. It's HOW she spent the money, and how that spending fits in with her message.

then we all ought to be concerned that Obama spent $ to campaign in Germany - should he have really spent money making himself look like a world leader with political money?

[euro60]

I'm a late comer in this discussion, but when all is said and done.... who cares? what is the relevance of this to the election? None, I would like to submit...

[juggles]

She should have spent that money on colonics, she's so full of shit.

Ok, that's funny.

Personally, I think this is just a ploy by Mattel so they can sell more accessories with their Caribou Barbie line of dolls.

Seriously, I'm occasionally in a position to hire hair and make-up people and they don't come cheap. They typically fetch $400-$500/ a day, so dropping a few thousand dollars over weeks or months doesn't surprise me at all. And since being on the campaign trail is basically a perpetual photo op, it's money well spent to have someone making sure you look good on camera. If Nixon had had a good hair/make-up stylist, he would have shaved before the debate.

As for the clothes, I don't know. On something like a commercial, it's typical for the wardrobe department to spend an assload of money at the outset so they have a bunch of options -- different sizes, different colors, etc. -- and then they return the stuff they don't use and get most of the money back. So it's possible that there's a closet full of clothes with the tags still on them following Palin around and much of it will never get used. But $75,000 at one store? It's like someone walked into Neiman-Marcus and said "Give me one of everything in a size 6." And I'd agree that it clashes wildly with the down home image they want to project. Is it worth reminding everybody that she was once a beauty queen?

[Mr. Mystery]

So if the election is in God's hands why exactly did she need to spend that much on her image? btw- this is fucking scary...

"I have to have that faith that God is going to help us get that message out there."

Yes, because God plays favorites, especially in politics and especially with Republicans. Jesus, what a whacko.

[Lonestar]

then we all ought to be concerned that Obama spent $ to campaign in Germany - should he have really spent money making himself look like a world leader with political money?

I think restoring America's image to the rest of the world is important. He has prooved that's it on his agenda as well.

[berzerker]

The media still hasn’t figured out that she isn’t running for president & those that are voting for McCain aren’t going to change their mind because the media is trying to paint Palin as a fool.

Can you actually point out ONE time the media mentions "Presidential candidate Sarah Palin" in as many words?

I can wait.

[taylor]

if she wasn't campaigning she wouldn't need the clothes. therefore, campaign expense. political ads, campaign staff, pant suits. i don't see the difference. if anything, she's owed something with all the crap she's going through.

[Kruschev]

This is the appropriate attire for a President

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z168/Goddamnidiot/22363_2_camacho.jpg

[akip]

i'd love to see her go more chic---YSL pantsuits with stiletto sandals. lose the librarian glasses and the whole hayseed pretense. she could have an arianna huffington conversion, start hanging out with gay people. she could still do her governor thing.

[justa bill]

i'd love to see her go more chic---YSL pantsuits with stiletto sandals. lose the librarian glasses and the whole hayseed pretense. she could have an arianna huffington conversion, start hanging out with gay people. she could still do her governor thing.

well, maybe not gay people 'cause, well, you know... but maybe cross dressers like warren. :D

[Macpherson]

i'm sure the official line on this is going to be something along the lines of "all americans could afford these clothes if they stay away from barack obama's socialist tax plans."

damn facists.

[Duemellon]

then we all ought to be concerned that Obama spent $ to campaign in Germany - should he have really spent money making himself look like a world leader with political money?With campaign money he went campaigning? How dare he!

Really, he could save a flaming bus full of blind nuns holding Luekemia orphans & you'd complain. You have this serious grudge against him like he beat your mom or something.

[Duemellon]

well, maybe not gay people 'cause, well, you know... but maybe cross dressers like warren. :DOr all the disgraced Repubs busted for soliciting sex from the same gender?

[REMgirl]

I think the point to be made about the "wardrobe malfunction" is that Palin and her campaigners are making bad decisions. It's their bad judgment people are questioning, same as they are with Obama. It's a piss poor decision to spend extravagantly while the rest of us are losing our savings. It's stupid to walk around in a red leather jacket and expensive boots when many of us are shopping in thrift stores. The very fact that the campaign is spending that much money is a slap in the face to struggling Americans.

Palin isn't running for President? Sure she is. The Republicans are holding her up as the next in line and they know that after she joined the ticket, public interest in their party shot up. McCain is a lame duck already, whether he knows it or not. When the cameras are clicking on the two of them, the public is checking her out, not him.

So squawk all you want about the unfairness of this seemingly ridiculous attention. If she had any viable strengths to contribute, we could talk about them. She's an empty Chanel suit with a big price tag.

[Shlep]

i'm sure the official line on this is going to be something along the lines of "all americans could afford these clothes if they stay away from barack obama's socialist tax plans."

damn facists.

That would be far too easy for Obama's spin guys to turn back on McCain/Palin...probably with something like:

"All Americans could afford these clothes if Barack Obama's tax plans are given the chance to spread the wealth around, which is good, as opposed to letting snotty rich people greedily hoarde it all up for themselves."

Hmmm...not populist enough, perhaps. Maybe it could be:

'Republicans want selfish rich people to dress like this while 'real' Americans are forced to wear rags they bought at The Gap! Barack Obama's tax plan will mean that solid, honest, hard-working Americans will have the funds they need to style and profile in the manner they truly deserve!"

Or maybe even:

"Are you someone who takes us seriously when we go around calling people who typically could not afford the per-plate price of admission to one of our fundraising dinners as 'rich' as though it was some sort of slur? Do you honestly think that the federal government has the same relationship with money as someone who actually works for it? Or that it is somehow disposed to helping 'The Poor' by taxing 'The Rich' more heavily and then taking the money and doling it back out to those aforementioned 'poor' folks? Well, you probably should not be allowed to vote...but since you are, we are counting on your support in November!"

Hmmm...no, that might be a little *too* honest.

[akip]

well, maybe not gay people 'cause, well, you know... but maybe cross dressers like warren. :D

in "real housewives of atlanta," the 99%-divorced african-american sheree, attractive in a high testosterone kind of way (she says she needs to "be in control" of her relationships) goes to a transvestite mr. and mrs. america pageant with her gay friend. in the audience she appears to be having some sort of epiphany. what does it all mean? one asks.

so how about sarah? how they gonna keep her down on the farm after she's run for VP? wearing the right shoes can be more transformational than having some witch-burning pastor chant spells over you in wasilla.

she does have a very strong jaw, btw. i could see some marlene dietrich styling, hand in pocket of tuxedo jacket, cellphone instead of a cigarette holder. build that pipeline, baby.

[miami2112]

gotta question:

does the prez use taxpayer money to buy his clothes, and does he get to keep them after his term(s) are up?


and all this uproar about palin should bring attention to the fact that over 1 BILLION dollars have been spend on this election (i saw that fact on bbca), dont we now need election reform?

cap the money that can be spent in the primary and then the general election
more debates, less commercials.
perhaps a candidate can only visit a state once?

that'll never happen, but i'll never give a goddam dollar to either party.

[jneale]

gotta question:

does the prez use taxpayer money to buy his clothes, and does he get to keep them after his term(s) are up?


and all this uproar about palin should bring attention to the fact that over 1 BILLION dollars have been spend on this election (i saw that fact on bbca), dont we now need election reform?

cap the money that can be spent in the primary and then the general election
more debates, less commercials.
perhaps a candidate can only visit a state once?

that'll never happen, but i'll never give a goddam dollar to either party.

not sure how old you are - but Nancy spent $$$ in redoing the whitehouse & buying new china.....taxpayers pay for everything

[the happy prole]

If you're suggesting that there exists some deep schism between how she seems to want to be perceived and the reality of her circumstances...well, I can't really argue with that. What I *WOULD* be inclined to ask is:

1) Why should I think that it is anything more, or less, than cynical and hypocritical political pot/kettle bullshit for her ideological/political opponents to call her out for doing exactly what the folks *they* support are doing?

And by extension...

2) Why, with all the other things worth considering and mulling over when trying to decide who to vote for in an important federal election to determine who will lead the country, should I even give a shit about this? Assuming, of course, that it is understood that I am aware that $150K for wardrobe and primping for two months is loose change under the sofa cushions relative to what comes out of either partys' coffers while funding a bid for high elected office (which I am).


*whoosh* right over your head.

The image she is trying to set for herself is that she's just a regular ol' hockey mom. Hockey moms don't have $150k to drop at Nieman-Marcus.

She's also the person who is making a big deal about how she sold the governor's jet because it was all expensive and frou-frou. I think that the governor projects a more stately image when he emerges from a fancy Alaska-logo'ed jet in a nicely pressed suit than waiting in line at baggage claim with a line of dried drool on his cheek.

It's not just her, either. McCain's signature piece of legislation was campaign finance reform. And the rules say that you can't use campaign money to buy clothes because those are considered personal items. So if you go and skirt the campaign finance rules then how seriously can you be taken as a reformer?

If a Senator took a $150k bribe, would anyone say "Who cares, it's just $150k. That's nothing in the scheme of things." No. Because it's not the $150k. It's that someone put their vote for sale, and that $150k bought a $50 million project... or a Bridge to Nowhere. That's why the rules are in place.

She has higher standards in how she spends her $$ because the Republicans made it a central part of their message. If you run as an openly gay politician and you have sex with another dude, it's consistent with your message and your image. People might not like your image, but no one can call you a hypocrite. If you run on a Christian right, anti-gay platform and you have sex with a dude, it's a different story.

[akip]

the evolution of sarah palin.

as in every other promotion, you have to dress for the new position. the RNC has plenty of bucks from fat cat donors to pay for her wardrobe---and the fat cats don't give a shit if she's not really an "average person." she hasn't been a hockey mom for years; she's not even mayor of wasilla anymore. she's a career politician with a particular talent for connecting with voters and with aspirations for the top job. she's already blown this election, but she could get her act together and keep going---maybe run for senate.

my only advice to her would be to just drop her old schtick and be honest. she needn't dress like a frump, but she needs to build her knowledge base the usual way---by governing, serving on committees and shit. she tried to leap frog into VP, but she'd be better off paying her dues first. then she could go on an interview show without looking like an idiot, which is also a part of the job.

[Fourthisto]

The folks making an issue of this are the Democrats version of Rush and Fox "News". Take the high road.

well we'd debate her positions on issues if she had any.


Again, I say:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Fourthisto/DAMN.gif

[Duemellon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Fourthisto/DAMN.gifYou should design the next generation of cars because you're getting some hefty milage outta that one.

[dannyboy]

Stylists: Palin's fashion buys worth it (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081023/pl_politico/14844)

[Predot listener]

Stylists: Palin's fashion buys worth it (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081023/pl_politico/14844)

In a shocking development, people who stand to profit from other people spending gobs of money on clothes and hair care support woman who spends gobs of money on clothes and hair care. :D

[juggles]

But at least she bought this fashionable, patriotic scarf with uh . . . donkeys on it:
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/44978/original.jpg

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/palin-fashion-includes-sc_n_137090.html)

$75k to Neiman Marcus and not a dime spent at Rent-A-Clue.

[Yale Delay]

She's actually NOT using campaign money. It's illegal to use campaign money for personal expenses. That includes clothes.

She's using GOP funds to get around that rule.

And no, it wouldn't be such a big deal except here is someone who has trumpeted how 1) She is just a plain ol' hockey mom of the people, and 2) She brags about being a fiscal hawk who sold the governor of Alaska's jet 3) She's basically taking advantage of a loophole to get around campaign finance rules and her running mate was the architect of campaign finance reform.

No one cares that she dresses up. They care that she's a hypocrite.


Yup, I pretty much agree with everything here...

[akip]

argh, just when i think maybe there's hope for sarah palin's rebirth as a cosmopolitan, i get a look at that scarf. :eek:

[taylor]

argh, just when i think maybe there's hope for sarah palin's rebirth as a cosmopolitan, i get a look at that scarf. :eek:

the theory is that someone gave her the scarf during the reno rally. we have our best people working on it.

http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Brad/Reno911-1.PNG

[bestlaidplans]

$75k to Neiman Marcus and not a dime spent at Rent-A-Clue.

Palin couldn't get a clue if she were drenched in clue pheromones, dancing in a clue field in the middle of clue mating season, wearing a clue suit, and shouting, "Clooo! Cloooo!"

[jneale]

argh, just when i think maybe there's hope for sarah palin's rebirth as a cosmopolitan, i get a look at that scarf. :eek:

She is tremendous in every way…..a woman who can field dress a moose AND fry it up in a pan all the while expertly mothering a family of the new millennium; attentive to the needs of her wayward daughter, playboy husband and an unfortunately genetically challenged infant…

She is beyond cosmopolitan; listen to here ROAR.


**********************

I just love how you guys have kept up all the talk about her. Biden made a statement that we’ll be attacked because of Obama’s inexperience & you guys are still hung up on picking apart Palin's every move.

Your team is eating their own & still - Sarah is the joke, and you my dear Akip know how much I love a good joke.....

No, I’m not in love with her, but she isn’t the candidate for president – she doesn’t matter.

[Duemellon]

She is tremendous in every way…..a woman who can field dress a moose AND fry it up in a pan all the while expertly mothering a family of the new millennium; attentive to the needs of her wayward daughter, playboy husband and an unfortunately genetically challenged infant…Dearest god... the baby again. Why?

& yes, she is running for president. Your brand of denial is better than any sold in 1936 Western Europe.I just love how you guys have kept up all the talk about her. Biden made a statement that we’ll be attacked because of Obama’s inexperience...Halt. He said the president will be tested. Obama will be president. How's this so hard? Oh, that's right, you hate him. Nevermind. Continue with your irrational loathing of someone better for the job than your candidate & her running mate.

[Tweeks_Coffee]

Palin couldn't get a clue if she were drenched in clue pheromones, dancing in a clue field in the middle of clue mating season, wearing a clue suit, and shouting, "Clooo! Cloooo!"

I've got such a raging clue right now.

http://users.commspeed.net/guzzi/images/Hardly%20Boys.jpg

[berzerker]

She is tremendous in every way…..a woman who can field dress a moose AND fry it up in a pan all the while expertly mothering a family of the new millennium; attentive to the needs of her wayward daughter, playboy husband and an unfortunately genetically challenged infant…

She is beyond cosmopolitan; listen to here ROAR.


**********************

I just love how you guys have kept up all the talk about her. Biden made a statement that we’ll be attacked because of Obama’s inexperience & you guys are still hung up on picking apart Palin's every move.

Your team is eating their own & still - Sarah is the joke, and you my dear Akip know how much I love a good joke.....

No, I’m not in love with her, but she isn’t the candidate for president – she doesn’t matter.

You stop listening to Biden, we'll ignore Palin. Deal?

Honestly, I don't care about either of them...

[weezer6]

Isn't the bigger issue that she spent a lot of that money at Saks Fifth Avenue in New York, where the unreal Americans live?

not to get off topic, but have you ever spent time with a new yorker, outside of new york city? it's a good time. it's like taking a kid to a zoo, or an amusement park or something. especially like where i live now, in northern kentucky. they look around, kindof surprised and amazed at the same time.

my wife grew up in dayton, but moved to nyc for about 12 years, then back to dayton. she had a bunch of relatives in nyc, who've been there their entire lives. when we go back to visit, they ask is she's glad to be back in ohio (kentucky now), she says yes, then they say "but what do you do?" as if the only place to do anything is new york.

[Predot listener]

not to get off topic, but have you ever spent time with a new yorker, outside of new york city? it's a good time. it's like taking a kid to a zoo, or an amusement park or something. especially like where i live now, in northern kentucky. they look around, kindof surprised and amazed at the same time.

Born and raised just outside New York City, moved to Indiana for college and stayed here.

So, the answer to your question is yes, I have.

And my favorite fish out of New York moment occured during my freshman year. We were in the team van on our way to a baseball game when I spotted a trailer hauling hogs. I matter of factly observed to my seating companion that this was the first pig I had ever seen.

Pandemonium ensued.

[markalot]

Sarah Palin, the musical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nlwwFZdXck

[ianalex20]

I wonder is Osama, I mean Obama flew commercial to go visit his grandmother? I also wonder who paid for it:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Christian]

Holy shit, Obama's name is really close to Osama's.

I never noticed until just this minute.

You know, I'll bet that makes him culpable, in some way, for 9/11.

Palin, however, must be related to that guy from Monty Python. Even if she is British and lampooned our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, laughter trumps blowing up buildings, so she's got my vote.

[WalterSobchak]

I wonder is Osama, I mean Obama flew commercial to go visit his grandmother? I also wonder who paid for it:rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://www.martysmith.org/files/dontfeedthetroll.jpg

[ianalex20]

I wonder what Acorn did with the $800,000.00 Osama gave them? :rolleyes:

[the happy prole]

They fixed the cable?

[frizgolf]

Holy shit, Obama's name is really close to Osama's.

If you rearrange the letters, his name is O, a BAM!

[silentpaul]

If you rearrange the letters, his name is O, a BAM!

Or "A Moab", which is very biblical, don't ya know. That should seal up the evangelical vote.

[The Ugly Thief]

Sarah Palin, the musical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nlwwFZdXck

i think they actually managed to make it more annoying by putting that music in there

v

[the happy prole]

I come from the people,
They need to adore me,
So Christian Dior me,
From my head to my toes.

See? Those lyrics are funny. There is irony there.

http://www.gawker.com/assets/resources/2006/10/s_smalley.jpg
You're making Patti Lupone cry... and it's not for Argentina!

[Measure Up!]

Isn't she a governor? I would think that she dressed pretty snazzily while she was ruling Alaska, so this whole business of "transforming" her is BS. She asked the RNC to pimp her wardrobe and they obliged, I don't fault her for that. If anything it confirms my belief that current republican party bigwigs are idiots. I would have taken her to TJ Maxx and then bragged about it how frugal she is/they are. Frugal is the new green (which was the new black) by the way. It would have provided a nice counter to the stories of her family's excesses in Alaska. Another missed opportunity for GOP.

[Yale Delay]

"The amendment before the senate is a very simple one. It restricts
the use of campaign funds for inherently personal purposes. The
amendment would restrict individuals from using campaign funds for such
things as home mortgage payments, clothing purchases..."

"..If We are truly going to have campaign finance reform, I do not
believe that campaign funds should be used for such things as country
club dues, tuxedos..."

"If we in congress learned one thing from President Clinton's $200
haircut last week, it should be that the public does not approve of its
elected officials being treated as royalty. We should be no different."


- John Sidney McCain III
Read on the House floor, May 25, 1993

[dannyboy]

Palin calls herself a frugal shopper when at home (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palin_clothing)

[Unrequited]

It gets better, no wonder the old man is losing:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/pains-makeup-stylist-fetches-highest-salary-in-2-week-period/?hp

"Who was the highest paid individual in Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign during the first half of October as it headed down the homestretch?

Not Randy Scheunemann, Mr. McCain’s chief foreign policy adviser; not Nicolle Wallace, his senior communications staffer. It was Amy Strozzi, who was identified by the Washington Post this week as Gov. Sarah Palin’s traveling makeup artist, according to a new filing with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday night.

Ms. Strozzi, who was nominated for an Emmy award for her makeup work on the television show “So You Think You Can Dance?”, was paid $22,800 for the first two weeks of October alone, according to the records. The campaign categorized Ms. Strozzi’s payment as “Personnel Svc/Equipment.”

In addition, Angela Lew, who is Ms. Palin’s traveling hair stylist, got $10,000 for “Communications Consulting” in the first half of October. Ms. Lew’s address listed in F.E.C. records traces to an Angela M. Lew in Thousands Oaks, Calif., which matches with a license issued by the California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology. The board said Ms. Lew works at a salon called Hair Grove in Westlake Village, Calif.

W Magazine’s blog reported earlier this month that “the Guv has been traveling with a hairstylist named Angela, who usually works out of a salon called the Hair Grove,” and that she was directed to the salon by none other than Cindy McCain, whose own hair stylist, Piper, works at the Hair Grove as well.

The campaign’s payment on Oct. 10 to Ms. Strozzi made her the single highest-paid individual in the campaign for that two week period. (There were more than two-dozen companies that got larger payments than Ms. Strozzi). She easily beat out Mr. Scheunemann, who received $12,500 in the first half of October, and Ms. Wallace, who got $12,000. Ms. Lew was the fourth highest paid person in the campaign during that span."

[Arkansas]

I'm in the wrong line of work.

[the happy prole]

Kinda funny that she'd shop at a store called "Out of the Closet."

[upwithpeople]

not to get off topic, but have you ever spent time with a new yorker, outside of new york city? it's a good time. it's like taking a kid to a zoo, or an amusement park or something. especially like where i live now, in northern kentucky. they look around, kindof surprised and amazed at the same time.

my wife grew up in dayton, but moved to nyc for about 12 years, then back to dayton. she had a bunch of relatives in nyc, who've been there their entire lives. when we go back to visit, they ask is she's glad to be back in ohio (kentucky now), she says yes, then they say "but what do you do?" as if the only place to do anything is new york.So what you're saying is generally the myopic have myopic friends?

[upwithpeople]

They fixed the cable?Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.

[weezer6]

So what you're saying is generally the myopic have myopic friends?


nope. there is no underlying jab, or hidden message. i'm saying exactly what i said, from my experience with born and raised, or majority of their lives new yorkers. i'm sure there are exceptions, i just haven't run into many of them that i know of.

[euro60]

I saw this on ESPN's website, so therefore it MUST be true! I always figured that Jeff Gordon fella is a pretty smart guy (marrying a model from Belgium and all...)


Sarah Palin's IQ = 116
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[juggles]

Just got this in e-mail:

Retail Sector Soars on News that Palin Seeks New Outfit
Guv's Shopping Gives Economy Much-needed Jolt


Offering a sharp contrast to the general gloom on Wall Street today, retail stocks soared on the news that Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) plans to buy a new outfit for Election Night.

Major retailers had been plummeting all day but staged a stunning comeback when Gov. Palin told a reporter in Ohio, "Election Night is just eleven days away and I have nothing to wear."

Gov. Palin said that a new dress for Election Night could cost as much as $20,000, "and that's before you accessorize."

Major department stores such as Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue rebounded dramatically on the news of Gov. Palin's plans, with some industry analysts predicting that Gov. Palin's shopping could bail out the entire retail sector in the fourth quarter.

"Right now, the only part of the economy that's strong is Sarah Palin's shopping," said Tracy Klugian of Morgan Stanley. "She is a one-woman stimulus package."

Elsewhere, former Fed Chief Alan Greenspan gave this testimony to Congress today: "To those millions of Americans who have lost their jobs, their homes, and their life savings, let me offer a heartfelt ‘oopsy.'"

No idea where it originated but it reads like Andy Borowitz.

[DaHood]

Our own Sarrah (http://woxy.com/boards/member.php?u=7433) is hotter, cuter, smarter and sweeter than Palin. And she sure as hell doesn't need Nieman freaking Marcus to help her with that.

[juggles]

Looked it up. That is indeed an Andy Borowitz (http://www.borowitzreport.com/) piece.So Andy, I apologize if I reposted copyrighted material, but I've giving you credit and a link so it should all balance out, right?

[purple_octopus]

Our own Sarrah (http://woxy.com/boards/member.php?u=7433) is hotter, cuter, smarter and sweeter than Palin. And she sure as hell doesn't need Nieman freaking Marcus to help her with that.
I know that's right!

[jps]

Our own Sarrah (http://woxy.com/boards/member.php?u=7433) is hotter, cuter, smarter and sweeter than Palin. And she sure as hell doesn't need Nieman freaking Marcus to help her with that.

I know that's right!

quoted for emphasis!

[BigSugar]

so, my suit guy was in today and i was talking to him about the election and commenting on how stupid the Palin/wardrobe thing was and that only complete fucking morons give a shit about it....and i commented "gee, i wonder how much Obama's suits cost?"

he said that his buddy sold Obama his Hart/Schaffner suits and that they were handmade and cost $1875 per suit.....he gets 5 in each style and he ordered 8 different styles last visit, and usually orders 8-10 styles every time he gets measured (3 times this year). 8 x 5 x 1875 is $75,000. times 3 is $225,000 for suits so far this year.....that doesn't include his handmade shirts and his $150 ties or his handmade shoes, all according to the Hart/Schaffner rep that sold him his stuff.......all in all, Obama's wardrobe is at least twice Palin's cost.......

but again.......who gives a flying fuck.......his campaign paid for it....they have the dough.....he's gotta look good....same as Palin and the RNC.....only moron Democrats care about this kind of inane trivia. thought i'd put the numbers out there for anyone who wants to chew on them......

[silentpaul]

so, my suit guy was in today and i was talking to him about the election and commenting on how stupid the Palin/wardrobe thing was and that only complete fucking morons give a shit about it....and i commented "gee, i wonder how much Obama's suits cost?"

he said that his buddy sold Obama his Hart/Schaffner suits and that they were handmade and cost $1875 per suit.....he gets 5 in each style and he ordered 8 different styles last visit, and usually orders 8-10 styles every time he gets measured (3 times this year). 8 x 5 x 1875 is $75,000. times 3 is $225,000 for suits so far this year.....that doesn't include his handmade shirts and his $150 ties or his handmade shoes, all according to the Hart/Schaffner rep that sold him his stuff.......all in all, Obama's wardrobe is at least twice Palin's cost.......

but again.......who gives a flying fuck.......his campaign paid for it....they have the dough.....he's gotta look good....same as Palin and the RNC.....only moron Democrats care about this kind of inane trivia. thought i'd put the numbers out there for anyone who wants to chew on them......

C'mon, man. Posts like this are useless without links. ;)

[Duemellon]

but again.......who gives a flying fuck.......his campaign paid for it....Stop. Fail.

That's an untruth & that's one of the points of this whole thing. He's not using campaign money for his clothes.

The other point is that Obama & Biden portray themselves as someone who was from an unprivaliged background but proudly state they are wealthy. They understand "Joe six-pack" because they were "Joe six-pack".

Palin continues to say she is Joe six-pack. Not "was". She often talks about how she's a middle-class family. Yet makes millions.

See that disassociation with what she said & how she's living now?

[BigSugar]

C'mon, man. Posts like this are useless without links. ;)

if it helps any, Obama is a 41 Long in his coat, and a 33 waist in his pants.....i'll try and get you the inseam/outseam if you like.....word on the street is he wears and extra small jock b/c he's got no balls. ;)

[BigSugar]

Stop. Fail.

That's an untruth & that's one of the points of this whole thing. He's not using campaign money for his clothes.

The other point is that Obama & Biden portray themselves as someone who was from an unprivaliged background but proudly state they are wealthy. They understand "Joe six-pack" because they were "Joe six-pack".

Palin continues to say she is Joe six-pack. Not "was". She often talks about how she's a middle-class family. Yet makes millions.

See that disassociation with what she said & how she's living now?

you're right Roy...McCain should have sent her out on the campaign trail with a carton of Camels and 3 gin stained moo-moo's and her hair in rollers. genius. just what i expected from a Dem.

[the happy prole]

Obama's campaign didn't pay for it because that would be illegal. Unless you know something about his campaign finances that we don't, which I highly doubt.

[ianalex20]

I wonder who paid for this???

[Duemellon]

you're right Roy...McCain should have sent her out on the campaign trail with a carton of Camels and 3 gin stained moo-moo's and her hair in rollers. genius. just what i expected from a Dem.You think that's who the Repub constituents are like? damn. That's so stereotypical. Do other repubs know how lowly you look at them?

[Duemellon]

Really, BS, c'mon man. Obama & Biden have NEVER run their campaign on the premise they are poor. They've said they were from middle class or poorer, but never have they claimed to currently be middle class.

Really, any time you, or others, try to say they are rich, that's still consistent. Obama has repeatedly said that he doesn't mind paying more in taxes because he knows his tax initiatives effect him. Biden says paying taxes is patriotic because he knows he'll pay more to save the country.

Why act as if they're secretly rich? They know they're rich.

[miami2112]

so, if palin had spent her own money, not the gop's funds (or figured out a way to have the clothes paid for with out violating the laws; just how does obama/biden/mccain pay for his again?), would this be a huge issue?

i'm no palin supporter, but the detractors do realize that they all get make overs? and someone has to pay for it. and yes, its all ridiculous, but has now become part of the game, as image is everything; ask nixon.

and if the outrage is over the hypocritical aspect of it all, i hope folks realize that all politicians are disingenious. two candidates, navy and yale educated, claiming to be "with the common man." how insulting. career politcians and fighter pilots have no idea what i go through on a daily basis. so the fact that politicians are hypocrites should not be an earth-shattering revelation.

[the happy prole]

Can't tell much from a hotel receipt, but it looks like Michelle Obama did.

Which would stand to reason, because Michelle Obama isn't running for office and therefore is not entitled to receive campaign funds for her personal meals. She's wasting her own money, and if she's okay with less lobster and more taxes or she has enough to afford both higher taxes and lobster, who cares?

[Duemellon]

so, if palin had spent her own money, not the gop's funds (or figured out a way to have the clothes paid for with out violating the laws; just how does obama/biden/mccain pay for his again?), would this be a huge issue?One major aspect of it wouldn't be there.

The other issue is how she repeatedly claims to be middle-class. She really does. She touts it. Not that she was middle-class, but that she still is.

How could she address that?

[markalot]

The ONLY thing that matters is perception.

ALL is fair in politics.

Quit whining.

[the happy prole]

Really, BS, c'mon man. Obama & Biden have NEVER run their campaign on the premise they are poor. They've said they were from middle class or poorer, but never have they claimed to currently be middle class.

No but the Democrats did attack McCain for being so rich he didn't know how many houses he had. And I don't think McCain's ever fronted like he's not rich.

[Buzzstein]

The ONLY thing that matters is perception.

ALL is fair in politics.

Quit whining.

Wait, you said ALL is fair. Doesn't that include whining?

[Shlep]

Really, BS, c'mon man. Obama & Biden have NEVER run their campaign on the premise they are poor. They've said they were from middle class or poorer, but never have they claimed to currently be middle class.

At what point lately has Palin tried to fob herself off on the voting public as being "poor"?

Really, any time you, or others, try to say they are rich, that's still consistent. Obama has repeatedly said that he doesn't mind paying more in taxes because he knows his tax initiatives effect him. Biden says paying taxes is patriotic because he knows he'll pay more to save the country.

And they can get away with it, because there is a sufficiently large percentage of the voting public who are either willingly naive or just plain stupid enough to believe either is just going to lay their personal fortunes bare and open to get raped and pillaged by the IRS, as opposed to making the logical assumption that they have taken care to shelter their personal wealth as best they can like any other educated, upwardly-mobile, and prosperous person would.

It certainly doesn't hurt that being rich is not the principal sin for Democrats that it seems to be for Republicans, at least as far as most liberals I've observed seem to be concerned.

[akip]

i actually believe palin when she says she had no idea how much the clothes cost.

i also think it's a red herring. she could get up there wearing a fucking crown and i'd think she was having a mini nervous breakdown, but i wouldn't think it meant anything.

[markalot]

Wait, you said ALL is fair. Doesn't that include whining?

Technicality!

[epeolatry]

apparently, she barely went into the stores-- staff people chose and purchased for her.

[clonE]

And they can get away with it, because there is a sufficiently large percentage of the voting public who are either willingly naive or just plain stupid enough to believe either is just going to lay their personal fortunes bare and open to get raped and pillaged by the IRS, as opposed to making the logical assumption that they have taken care to shelter their personal wealth as best they can like any other educated, upwardly-mobile, and prosperous person would.
.

so if every educated upwardly mobile prosperous person has taken pains to shelter their money as best as possible to avoid paying higher taxes, what is the problem? is there a disparity? are you concerned that there are non-tax savvy rich people out there that will get stuck paying a little more than their well educated brethren? education pays. or pay someone educated to do your taxes.

No one is about to be raped and pillaged by the IRS. Look at historical tax rates; shit, some pushed over 90%. Rates in the 30s aren't excessive. If the US got its spending priorities in order [by which I mean military spending mostly, not earmarks,] EVERYONE could pay less taxes and we would still be the most powerful military force on this planet.

I think the laffer curve is a great illustrative tool, but its hard to use it with perspective to compare different time periods. All the images i just found don't have dollar values or tax values other than 0 and 100%

What's your ideal tax rate [0% is not an option, we have roads to maintain!]

[berzerker]

I wonder who paid for this???

She gave up a slice of pie. She got lobster, caviar and champagne instead.

Duh.

And, she admits that she's got money, and is willing to pay taxes on it, not get a free ride.

[BigSugar]

She gave up a slice of pie. She got lobster, caviar and champagne instead.

Duh.

And, she admits that she's got money, and is willing to pay taxes on it, not get a free ride.

be interesting to find out that the campaign paid for her room at the Waldorf, b/c it looks like she charged that to her suite. :)

the Waldorf is overrated anyway.....wonder if her Iranian caviar had radiation sickness? LOL!

[jps]

At what point lately has Palin tried to fob herself off on the voting public as being "poor"?

Not poor but the quote I keep hearing is that the family still "lives a modest lifestyle."

And they can get away with it, because there is a sufficiently large percentage of the voting public who are either willingly naive or just plain stupid enough to believe either is just going to lay their personal fortunes bare and open to get raped and pillaged by the IRS, as opposed to making the logical assumption that they have taken care to shelter their personal wealth as best they can like any other educated, upwardly-mobile, and prosperous person would.

It certainly doesn't hurt that being rich is not the principal sin for Democrats that it seems to be for Republicans, at least as far as most liberals I've observed seem to be concerned.
I still don't really care a whole lot about the clothes though... it's the policies of the gop that i have a problem with.

[the happy prole]

Naw, clonE has it right. If every upwardly mobile, prosperous, educated person can shelter themselves against any tax raise that might come, then why the hell are conservatives bitching about a tax hike to the rich? Shouldn't they focus their attention towards something that actually matters?

[Measure Up!]

I love how the signatures on the receipt are exactly the same. The fool who made the graphic didn't even try.

Truth. (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-michelle-lunch.htm)

[berzerker]

I love how the signatures on the receipt are exactly the same. The fool who made the graphic didn't even try.

Truth. (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-michelle-lunch.htm)

Yeah, and I can't find half that stuff on the menu. Oh, and the whole steamed lobster is $51 each, so, if you are going to totally fake something, do some homework.

[Duemellon]

Not poor but the quote I keep hearing is that the family still "lives a modest lifestyle."Transcript of the 2008 Debate:

Palin:"Now you said recently that higher taxes or asking for higher taxes or paying higher taxes is patriotic. In the middle class of America which is where Todd and I have been all of our lives, that's not patriotic."

"I want to assure you that John McCain and I, we're going to fight for America. We're going to fight for the middle-class, average, everyday American family like mine."

[Macpherson]

Estimates show Palin assets top $1 million (http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/543404.html)

just like all the other average middle class americans.:confused:

[drougan]

Transcript of the 2008 Debate:

Palin:"Now you said recently that higher taxes or asking for higher taxes or paying higher taxes is patriotic. In the middle class of America which is where Todd and I have been all of our lives, that's not patriotic."

"I want to assure you that John McCain and I, we're going to fight for America. We're going to fight for the middle-class, average, everyday American family like mine."

Estimates show Palin assets top $1 million (http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/543404.html)

just like all the other average middle class americans.:confused:


Well, according to John McCain's off-the-cuff estimate, you're only rich once you have $5mil in assets. So there.;)

[Tweeks_Coffee]

Well, according to John McCain's off-the-cuff estimate, you're only rich once you have $5mil in assets. So there.;)

What do you suppose the McCain poverty line is? Hell, Sarah's not only middle class, she's almost poor! She's just a bank error away from getting welfare!

[Duemellon]

What do you suppose the McCain poverty line is? Hell, Sarah's not only middle class, she's almost poor! She's just a bank error away from getting welfare!Yet he thinks ending $18 billion in pork-barrel spending is more important than generating $300 billion in tax revenue from people who can afford it?

McCain math: 18 > 300

[the happy prole]

No, see now you're making the same mistake the conservatives are making with Sarah Palin. It's not about the amount, it's about the process.

There is in fact much more than $18 billion in pork barrel spending, but McCain's concentrating at the things that can easily be pointed at. The bigger issue is how the government is being run.

Does it do any good to generate an additional $300 billion or whatever in revenue if it's still going to be spent on pet projects and subsidies? It's not how much you take in, it's how much you waste.

[upwithpeople]

It's not how much you take in, it's how much you waste.That's idiotic. Not to say they're both not very important.

Also, for better or worse, the government runs on earmarks. They've benefited everyone's life at some point (I would bet). And while you say McCain is only targeting so-called "low hanging fruit" he points out things like the Grizzly Bear research, and more recently the fruit fly research. Things that are easy for generalists to point and laugh at, but things that have a profound impact on our lives.

The "cut pork barrel spending" line is a go nowhere solution that will never go anywhere. Do you know how many earmarks would go into a bill banning earmarks? It would be close to infinity.

[twentyshots]

Do you know how many earmarks would go into a bill banning earmarks? It would be close to infinity.
that would create a negative reality inversion and in a battle of fission and fusion Ted Steven's anus would swallow his face.

[upwithpeople]

that would create a negative reality inversion and in a battle of fission and fusion Ted Steven's anus would swallow his face.Wow. You make a compelling case. I'm totally on board with that idea now. And I am not fucking kidding.

[the happy prole]

One person's pork is another person's necessary infrastructure investment. I'm not saying I agree with McCain specific views, or even his general views on ear marks.

I'm just saying that in his opinion the problem of pork barrel/ear marks is not limited to the fact that it costs a supposed $18 billion, just like his reasoning on campaign finance reform was not really about the fact that people spent too much money on campaigns.

If I want to bribe someone and hide the money, what I do is contribute $100,000 to their campaign. That candidate then takes the $100,000 and spends it on whatever they want. The problem isn't that someone spent $100k, it's that it was a $100k bribe to maybe secure a $5 billion bill down the line. That is why you can't spend campaign funds on personal items.

So reducing McCain's arguments against earmarks to a simple thing like he isn't aware $18 million is less than $300 million is missing the point.

[Shlep]

so if every educated upwardly mobile prosperous person has taken pains to shelter their money as best as possible to avoid paying higher taxes, what is the problem? is there a disparity? are you concerned that there are non-tax savvy rich people out there that will get stuck paying a little more than their well educated brethren? education pays. or pay someone educated to do your taxes.

Naw, clonE has it right. If every upwardly mobile, prosperous, educated person can shelter themselves against any tax raise that might come, then why the hell are conservatives bitching about a tax hike to the rich? Shouldn't they focus their attention towards something that actually matters?

Well, the way I see it, "The Problem" has a number of facets:

1) I happen to be one of those folks who clings to the bizarre, arcane notion that people ought to be able to keep most of the swag they earn by working, or investing wisely, and such. Confiscatory taxation grounded in the idea that "rich" people don't have the same right to their money and possessions and such as I do by virtue of having more makes no sense to me.

2) When I see some rich guy stumping for office standing behind a podium or working a room at some "town hall"-type political event promising that he will, if elected, work tirelessly to stick it to other rich guys, I don't really buy it. Hence, I fail to see why people who seem to view rich gays as a bunch of selfish and rapaciously-greedy bastards should be cozened into believing it either.

3) Even more difficult than #2 for me to get my head around: the inherent contradiction I see when people piss, moan, and bitch non-stop about how the government loves to hook up rich people and fuck the rest of us over, only to then switch gears and insist that the the best-- of not only-- viable solution is to give that same government a wider berth and greater latitude to shake down rich people and give their filthy lucre to poor people in Robin Hood fashion.

4) I think I'd have to spend a few months smoking crack and working as a test subject for a company that makes crash helmets before I got to the point where I would be willing to believe that largess taken from rich people by the govewrnment will be "spread around" so as to help the truly needy on a grand scale.

Instead, I take the cynical and pragmatic view that the process merely takes wealth concentrated in the hands of a relative few where it gets spent or saved in ways that usually make sense and concentrates it in the hands of an even smaller relative few who spend it the way that most people would be inclined to spend other peoples' money on other people: that is, really stupid ways. Since this latter notion is based in reality, and the former not all that much, I feel compelled to defer to it.

I'm not a complete and total anti-government nut-fudge who think *ALL* taxes are evil. I think one would have to be a fool to think that there ought not to be even a reasonable modicum of taxation necessary to maintain a progressive, well-kept, forward-moving society. Thus, I believe that a good portion of it goes for stuff I like, such as paving the interstate road system, making sure that what gets flushed out of the neighbors' toilet doesn't come out of the tap in my kitchen sink, and maintaining one of the best-trained, best-equipped, and most scary-lethal military forces in recorded history which-- when deployed wisely-- give bad people pause to consider when motivated to seriously fuck with us.

But taking money and making it rain on poor people? Please.

Look, I really do like Obama. He seems like a nice, sincere guy who either because he went to Harvard or in spite of it (hard to tell sometimes) has some good ideas and means well. But I don't even think *HE* is buying his own rhetoric about "spreading the wealth," and it bugs me when he expects me to believe it, even when I cut him a bit of slack for playing the political game.

5) This doesn't have much to do with Items 1 - 4, but since I'm on a roll here: how in the hell can anyone make shrill, damning indictments of great big phonies in the GOP trying to pass themselves off as being just plain folks having the same means, and burdened with the same basic concerns as it applies to stuff like paying the bills and putting the kiddies through college as most of the rest of us as though this puts them in stark contrast to their opponents in the Democratic Party and expect to be taken seriously?

[purple_octopus]

Hence, I fail to see why people who seem to view rich gays as a bunch of selfish and rapaciously-greedy bastards should be cozened into believing it either.
Can you believe people get down on rich gays like that? Ridiculous.

[miami2112]

Can you believe people get down on rich gays like that? Ridiculous.

what?? now we're after the rich gays too?

[Tweeks_Coffee]

Can you believe people get down on rich gays like that? Ridiculous.

I know, I just wish they'd let the guy rest in peace already...

http://www.tracygreen.com/images/liberace.jpg

[berzerker]

what?? now we're after the rich gays too?


We just want their taxes, so we can make give the poor people some precipitation...

[jneale]

5)......GOP trying to pass themselves off as being just plain folks having the same means, and burdened with the same basic concerns as it applies to stuff like paying the bills and putting the kiddies through college as most of the rest of us as though this puts them in stark contrast to their opponents in the Democratic Party and expect to be taken seriously?


& this friend is why hard core republicans have always hated McCain - he isn't Bush, he isn't the typical republican & the very reason why I don't have a problem voting for him. He has always been a thorn on the side of the GOP but all of that has been lost in this election

McCain isn't the typical GOP member yet because he is the candidate of the republican party he must be evil

And before someone brings up his voting record - think about what party has been in the majority in congress - lots of dems voted right along with the president too

[Macpherson]

ah yes, such a maverick.

at this point, all this talk is pretty redundant. everyone is going to vote for their candidate, unless you're an undecided. if you're undecided, i can't understand why. there isn't going to be any new revelations over the next few days and all the info is out there.

[purple_octopus]

aif you're undecided, i can't understand why. It's because neither of the two major candidates are worth voting for.

PS - I'm selling my vote if anyone is interested.

[miami2112]

It's because neither of the two major candidates are worth voting for.

PS - I'm selling my vote if anyone is interested.

i can trade that for a pair of used pantyhose, and some bell's amber ale.

[clonE]

& this friend is why hard core republicans have always hated McCain - he isn't Bush, he isn't the typical republican & the very reason why I don't have a problem voting for him. He has always been a thorn on the side of the GOP but all of that has been lost in this election

McCain isn't the typical GOP member yet because he is the candidate of the republican party he must be evil

And before someone brings up his voting record - think about what party has been in the majority in congress - lots of dems voted right along with the president too

I admit that the Democrats have been in majority for two years now, and they were amazingly ineffectualy as the minority party from 1994 to 2006 [funny how the Dems couldn't ever stop a R bill but the Reps can hold up Dem bills now]

How is McCain voting with his party and the president 90% of the time [not sure of the time frame on that stat] not relevant?

I also agree that the rich shouldn't be socked with taxes. Has any proposed figure approached 40%? I don't think so, and this is marginal tax rates we're talking about. Just be glad we don't have a 'wealth' tax like some of the more socialist democracies do.

Finally, to repeat my broken record mantra, "tax and spend" works better for a gov't than "spend." And the US's spending priorities need to be reordered [Obama sucks in that matter, he's almost as hawkish as McCain. Afghanistan is going to ruin us no matter which candidate wins]

[jneale]

How is McCain voting with his party and the president 90% of the time [not sure of the time frame on that stat] not relevant?

for me it boils down to the devil you know is better than the devil you don't

get some years of experience & record under Obama & maybe I'd change my mind, but today - I can't stomach the things he has said he'd do.

Give the houses to the Dems & put McCain in the white house - the one ring to bind them all isn't a path I want to go down.

[berzerker]

Finally, to repeat my broken record mantra, "tax and spend" works better for a gov't than "spend." And the US's spending priorities need to be reordered.

I share your mantra. Tax cut and spend is not fiscally logical.

[Lonestar]

What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina?

Only some of the things coming out of her vagina are retarded...

[upwithpeople]

What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina?

Only some of the things coming out of her vagina are retarded...Aw ... I still think the answer should be "lipstick."

[markalot]

What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina?

Only some of the things coming out of her vagina are retarded...

That's nice, real nice. As long at it's about someone you don't agree with then this shit is ok?

[Hogarth]

What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina?

Only some of the things coming out of her vagina are retarded...

C'mon, the last thing we need here is another Big Sugar, even a liberal one.

[jneale]

Only some of the things coming out of her vagina are retarded...

you got the punch line wrong my friend.....

Only ONE retarded thing has come out of her vagina.....see, the joke works much better if you turn a person's stomach making by making fun of a helpless baby...

(and don't think that I'm offended - I e-mailed that joke to a certain someone on here a week ago - I love that joke & have told it like a million times..)

[frizgolf]

That may be the fourth time I've read that joke on these boards.
I think that breaks the "driving me nuts" record.

[weezer6]

That's nice, real nice. As long at it's about someone you don't agree with then this shit is ok?

that's the norm. there are some super cool folks in here, role model types.

[Predot listener]

That's nice, real nice. As long at it's about someone you don't agree with then this shit is ok?

Actually, since Palin brought the retarded baby into the campaign, it's really fair game.

[drougan]

Actually, since Palin brought her vagina into the campaign, it's really fair game.


Fixed .

[weezer6]

Actually, since Palin brought the retarded baby into the campaign, it's really fair game.

"the retarded baby", wtf? seriously, when did this kinda shit become acceptable?

making statements like this is 100% positive proof of being dumb as fuck.

[purple_octopus]

I thought it was the best joke ever.

[Buzzstein]

I don't find that joke remotely funny. It's getting too close to "making fun of the disabled" for my taste.

[Slar]

I don't find that joke remotely funny.Agreed. .........

[weezer6]

I thought it was the best joke ever.

a joke is a joke, i can deal with that. but, saying the other stuff, referring to the kid as a retard in relatively general conversation, i consider that pretty scum baggish.

she brought her retard kid into it, so basically she deserves it? that is fucking ridiculous. i'm sure she thought to herself, when she found out she had a downs baby, "hey, this is fucking awesome, i can get ahold of washington, and see how i can leverage this into some political power, hell, maybe the vp!" and because some morons have this belief, or a similar version of this belief, it is then cool for them to act like a fucking scumbag?

well, no, it's not.

[markalot]

I don't find that joke remotely funny. It's getting too close to "making fun of the disabled" for my taste.

Dude, that's retarted.

[purple_octopus]

a joke is a joke, i can deal with that. but, saying the other stuff, referring to the kid as a retard in relatively general conversation, i consider that pretty scum baggish.

she brought her retard kid into it, so basically she deserves it? that is fucking ridiculous. i'm sure she thought to herself, when she found out she had a downs baby, "hey, this is fucking awesome, i can get ahold of washington, and see how i can leverage this into some political power, hell, maybe the vp!" and because some morons have this belief, or a similar version of this belief, it is then cool for them to act like a fucking scumbag?

well, no, it's not.
Let's see... It is a fact that Sarah Palin's baby has Down's. And according to the March of Dimes (http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/4439_1214.asp):

Down syndrome is a chromosomal disorder that includes a combination of birth defects. Affected individuals have some degree of mental retardation...

Therefore, it is accurate to state that Sarah Palin's baby is retarded. In general conversation or otherwise. I could see how it might be offensive to say that an autistic child were retarded (or something like that), but Palin's baby really is retarded. That's just how it is.

The joke isn't funny because Sarah Palin has a retarded baby. It's funny because just about every time she opens her mouth, she exhibits "some degree of mental retardation" herself.

C'mon, the last thing we need here is another Big Sugar, even a liberal one.
Oh, how I wish there were a million of him. But he is one of a kind, and I am certain that 95 percent of the woxy population would experience an exploding head if there were more than one.

[weezer6]

Let's see... It is a fact that Sarah Palin's baby has Down's. And according to the March of Dimes (http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/4439_1214.asp):

Down syndrome is a chromosomal disorder that includes a combination of birth defects. Affected individuals have some degree of mental retardation...

Therefore, it is accurate to state that Sarah Palin's baby is retarded. In general conversation or otherwise. I could see how it might be offensive to say that an autistic child were retarded (or something like that), but Palin's baby really is retarded. That's just how it is.

The joke isn't funny because Sarah Palin has a retarded baby. It's funny because just about every time she opens her mouth, she exhibits "some degree of mental retardation" herself.


Oh, how I wish there were a million of him. But he is one of a kind, and I am certain that 95 percent of the woxy population would experience an exploding head if there were more than one.

i don't give a shit about the joke, but in the context predot used it, that's a no go. i'm sure i made that pretty clear.

oh, and i know people that are ugly, and fat. i don't refer to them as the fat chick, or the ugly dude, even if it is technically accurate. i'm not going to explain why i don't do that, it shouldn't be a mystery. man, i used a lot of negatives in those sentences, but i'm too lazy to rewrite.

[Lonestar]

i don't give a shit about the joke, but in the context predot used it, that's a no go. i'm sure i made that pretty clear.


predot, denounce and reject yourself!

:D

[purple_octopus]

i don't give a shit about the joke, but in the context predot used it, that's a no go. i'm sure i made that pretty clear.

I just don't see why. I mean, I'm the furthest thing from a die hard predot fan, but he has a point here. Sarah Palin has brought attention several times to the fact that she has a "special needs" child. And I'm not an Obama supporter, but I must say that he's done a decent job of keeping his kids out of the spotlight. I can't say Palin has done the same. (Not that it's entirely her fault - the media should back off. But she does keep bringing it up.) So why is it wrong when predot says "Palin brought the retarded baby into the campaign"? It's all true - she has a retarded baby, and she keeps talking about it while campaigning. And as for what is "fair game", it's safe to assume that everything is when you go into politics.

[Predot listener]

Sorry, I thought my point was fairly clear, but obviously it wasn't.

I thought Lonestar's joke was tasteless and inappropriate. I was mocking the rather kneejerk defense of all the sexist and anti-religious crap that's been hurled at Palin with the "she brought it into the campaign" excuse.

And I'm not a Palin supporter, but like justabill, I'm kind of disgusted at the way my side has seemingly abandoned what I believe should be its fundamental disdain of sexism and intolerance because the right has nominated an anti-abortion, Christian female as veep.

[weezer6]

Sorry, I thought my point was fairly clear, but obviously it wasn't.

I thought Lonestar's joke was tasteless and inappropriate. I was mocking the rather kneejerk defense of all the sexist and anti-religious crap that's been hurled at Palin with the "she brought it into the campaign" excuse.

And I'm not a Palin supporter, but like justabill, I'm kind of disgusted at the way my side has seemingly abandoned what I believe should be its fundamental disdain of sexism and intolerance because the right has nominated an anti-abortion, Christian female as veep.

ahh, well that explains it. i didn't catch the mocking part of it. i'm 100% behind you on this viewpoint.

[Duemellon]

She brings up her "special needs" child, so it is fair game.

But that wasn't "fair game", that was a horrid & tasteless joke, even as a rebuttal/exaggeration type of thing.

She leverages that kid as a demonstration of just how "Pro-Life" she is & how she cares for all life. She was aware the baby was going to have DS before it was born, which, statistically, has been one of the more often reasons for abortions. She also leverages it as a way to appeal, with sympathy, to others for her situation & her empathy for others with special needs.

So, it all becomes fair game.

When she was having this baby she didn't get to choose it to have DS. It wasn't a ploy she used to make her more appealing. However, now that it's there, she'll use it. Like... "duh".

But let's compare.

Obama, OTOH, didn't get to choose his race. It's been a factor in his life, development, & opportunities. Yet, even though we all know it, he doesn't harp on it. He doesn't bring it up at every turn. He doesn't introduce it during debates nor talk about how he's a representative on behalf of...

See, that's the diff.

[Lonestar]

It's just an off color joke people. Unless it offended one of you guys personally, no one was hurt.

Now hanging the Palin mannequin was over the line in my opinion.. ballsy but over the line.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/29/AR2008102900146.html

[Jonny]

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

[Duemellon]

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.palinaspresident.us/What do I think? I think it's been mentioned before.

But it doesn't change it's hilarity.

[classicgrrl]

What do I think? I think it's been mentioned before.

But it doesn't change it's hilarity.

dammit, due, you beat me to it!

[frizgolf]

But it doesn't change it's hilarity.

Its hilarity, you know, just to be a "rediculous" grammar nut. :D

[Duemellon]

Its hilarity, you know, just to be a "rediculous" grammar nut. :DYou understood it irregardless of how it was spelled, k? :þ Gotcha/w the "ir" you spellchecking/grammar nut!

[frizgolf]

You understood it irregardless of how it was spelled, k? :þ Gotcha/w the "ir" you spellchecking/grammar nut!

Yeah. It's the internet. Context is king.

[Duemellon]

Yeah. It's the internet. Context is king.Man, you could've removed the invsiTEXT© !

[frizgolf]

Man, you could've removed the invsiTEXT© !

Damn internets. Always having to preview before replying...