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Marlowe
13 Oct 2008, 02:03 AM
has the UK become a land of hopeless drunks?

wither albion??


http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article4880902.ece

Let’s put the drink down and just talk

Most Octobers I cover the Man Booker prize, an occasion where members of the literati converge in an elaborate medieval banqueting hall in London to hear who has won the country’s most important fiction award so they can proceed to attack, sneer at and feel jealous and insecure about the decision. The dinner beforehand tends to drag and when you are seated next to someone who has nothing to say and seems weary of his (and your) very existence, you feel you should have spent the evening at home watching CSI: Miami reruns in your pyjamas.

I felt this keenly at one of these dinners when the man on my left, a moderately successful publishing executive, turned out to be a twitching parody of a tongue-tied Englishman spooked by normal social interaction. He answered in monosyllables. He failed to initiate topics of conversation. He stared at his bread roll, shuffled in his chair, fidgeted with his napkin. Aside from the occasional phlegm-displacing sound he was a silent companion.

But by the time the main course arrived, a strange transformation had taken place. Mr Silent had become Mr Forthcoming, even Mr Amusing. He listened to what I said, told complex anecdotes with memorable punch lines, spoke expansively about literature, leant in close for a tête-à-tête.

I had drawn him out, I thought; I was finally getting the hang of this place. But it wasn’t me. It was the wine. By the time we got our coffee, my man had had too much and his conversation flowed down the path to nowhere. He started and abandoned subjects. He spoke in nonsequiturs, repeated himself, grew sweaty and red-faced. Finally he went quiet again, clutching his glass in contemplative desperation.

By British standards, of course, this man was not a hopeless drunk, not even close. Meeting him taught me that you should take advantage of a man’s lucid middle period during this type of meal because you won’t get much before or after it. His performance also helped to illustrate the benefits and drawbacks of alcohol as a tool and a prop and a backdrop to British society.

In a nation of the chronically ill-at-ease, alcohol is the lubricant that eases the pain of frightening social encounters, an essential prelude to relaxation, to joie de vivre and even, at times, to rudimentary conversation. But because Britain has what is known as an “ambivalent alcohol culture” – which means the British haven’t worked it out completely – they can take their drinking too far, too fast, with corrosive consequences to health, happiness and productivity.

I have many British friends who in America would be considered functioning alcoholics – the equivalent of 1950s Cheeveresque businessmen from suburban Connecticut who greeted the end of the workday with a couple of predinner martinis before moving on to wine and whisky. Heavy drinking is part of the fabric of their lives and it would be considered rude to comment on it.

I had come from New York, a city where this kind of drinking is reserved for the weekend and drinking to the point of insensibility is an activity only for the very young or the very likely to be headed for AA. By contrast, Britons seemed to drink all the time. It was a shock to see how enthusiastically they knocked back the booze at Sunday lunches in the country and how high their tolerance was. It was a shock to see, after we’d had our first weekday dinner party (everyone stayed until 1am, never mind their jobs), that the table was covered in twice as many empty wine bottles as there had been guests.

Britons love to drink and love to boast about drinking. Like hungover students who wake up sick on sticky, beer-soaked floors with someone else’s underpants on their heads but then brag about their awesome night of partying, they have an amused tolerance for drunken high jinks.

One of the reasons the late Queen Mother was so beloved was that she spent the last decades of her life in a benign alcoholic haze. For the British, alcohol is a relaxant, an emollient, a crutch, a relief, an excuse. If they go overboard, it is the get-out-of-jail-free card that allows them to throw up their hands, palms out, and disavow responsibility.

Per capita drinking across most of Europe has decreased in the past 40 years, but in Britain it has increased. People start younger, drink more and are increasingly likely to binge-drink. Government figures released last year show that British adults on average drink the equivalent of 11.4 litres of pure alcohol a year – translating into 130 bottles of wine or 1,137 pints of beer. The government has estimated that the total cost to society, in medical bills, missed work, clean-up charges and increased policing, is about £20 billion a year.

“There’s no social group that’s immune to binge drinking except the elderly – although we recently had a 90-year-old who drank five pints and fell down as he tried to leave his local pub,” Dr Paul Atkinson, a consultant in the A&E department at Adden-brooke’s hospital in Cambridge, told me. “It’s very common to have head injuries. I’ve had people who’ve inhaled their teeth into their lungs.”

The effects are all too obvious to anyone brave enough to take certain trains late at night, to stand outside pubs or clubs at closing time or to venture into town and city centres late on Friday or Saturday nights.

Drunken Brits are one of the country’s most visible exports, too. Other Europeans sometimes feel as if Britain treats their continent as one huge pub, followed by one huge bath-room. One day I decided to go to Prague on easyJet (price of last-minute ticket: £50) on a flight that left at 6.15am. Most of the passengers – groups of young men in matching shirts with stag-party slogans – seemed to have been up all night in the pub. When I tried to talk to some of them, they were like schoolchildren: embarrassed to be singled out, staring glassy-eyed through the window.

Why did they choose Prague? “We looked on the internet and these were the flights that were available,” said one guy, maybe 35, whose breakfast, three cans of Kronen-bourg, was lined up in front of him. He snickered: “I thought we were going to Barcelona.”

His even more unfriendly friend, unshaven and paunchy, finished his first round. “Bring the trolley to me with a big straw!” he shouted to the flight attendant, who seemed unperturbed.

If the atmosphere on the plane was unpleasant, the atmosphere in Prague was poisonous. Rocky O’Reilly’s, a transplanted Irish pub just down the street from my hotel, was filled with British men drinking for drinking’s sake. A group were attempting to flick sugar cubes into water glasses. One man wore a plastic headpiece in the shape of a turd because he had expressed annoyance about something – or “got a turd on”. So he had to wear the hat until someone else got annoyed, whereupon he could then pass it on.

These were men in their early thirties whose touristic research had consisted of printing out lists of Prague drinking establishments and strip clubs from the web. They explained that British society no longer allows for male-only activities, except possibly for football matches, so stag weekends are important bonding opportunities. “It’s the extreme end of men’s behaviour,” said one guy, who admitted that he couldn’t have a real conversation with his pals without a drink in his hand.

Robbie Norton, the owner of Rocky O’Reilly’s, told me about a party of 23, fresh off the plane, who had consumed 180 vodkas and 60 cans of Red Bull in a single Friday. Sometimes the British embassy was taking 60 drunken calls a night from Brits who had lost their wallet or could not remember the name of their hotel or what city they were in.

I hate to sound like a spoil-sport, but it’s hard not to feel there is a large problem here that many people simply refuse to confront, no matter how much doctors warn about cirrhosis or the government enacts new laws about antisocial behaviour. It’s also hard to expect the public to change its attitude when many of the people it most admires – sports stars, younger members of the royal family, politicians – spend so much of their time getting publicly trashed.

cockney rebel
13 Oct 2008, 03:00 AM
The only difference between this and Americans' drinking habits are that Americans don't travel anywhere because many are scared to even own a passport.

Oh that and that most Americans prefer to drive their vehicles around town after drinking heavily.

Not saying that the Brits aren't drunks, because I am

Marlowe
13 Oct 2008, 03:58 AM
that's a good point... europe's close-quarters and cheap airfares makes it a lot easier for british yobs to get out and about, whereas american yobs tend to keep their derring-do more close to home, such as the nearest bass-lake.

that said, i think the average british woman between 16 - 35 could drink her american male counterpart under the table, kinda like karen allen in that scene from raiders of the lost ark.

justa bill
13 Oct 2008, 06:17 AM
The only difference between this and Americans' drinking habits are that Americans don't travel anywhere because many are scared to even own a passport.

Oh that and that most Americans prefer to drive their vehicles around town after drinking heavily.

Not saying that the Brits aren't drunks, because I am

from my experience, Brits do drink more than Americans, and it's usually an uglier type of drinking. many number of times i've been in a bar somewhere in eurupe, and the loudest group, by far, was a few drunk english dudes.

it can kind of ruin the whole 'distant foreign land' experience when you have to listen to drunk dudes talking about footballers.

and inside england at least, they do drive when they shouldn't--that's not just an american fault. i've only been to one wedding over there, but if it was any indication... and a very good friend of mine had her career ruined by a drunk english driver...

lutz
13 Oct 2008, 06:45 AM
I hate to sound like a spoil-sport, but it’s hard not to feel there is a large problem here that many people simply refuse to confrontUhhhh, it is being confronted, with proposed bans on free drinks and happy hours.

Attitude is definitely a huge problem, though. I know so many people who truly believe that they can't have a good time without getting drunk. Bit sad, really.
Also, I only know a handful of people (including myself) who actually know when it's time to stop. Most people just keep on drinking and drinking until they pass out/run out of money.

frizgolf
13 Oct 2008, 06:59 AM
Americans don't travel anywhere because many are scared to even own a passport.

Never had a need for one. I, for one, come from a country I feel no need to escape from.

Christian
13 Oct 2008, 07:58 AM
The only difference between this and Americans' drinking habits are that Americans don't travel anywhere because many are scared to even own a passport.

Oh that and that most Americans prefer to drive their vehicles around town after drinking heavily.

Wow, condescend much?

As a counterpoint, the vast majority of the bar fights I've seen have been in the UK. It got to the point where if my friend and I would go to the pub at night, we'd know that we'd see a fight and hope that it wouldn't involve us. So, most nights, we just did other stuff. And the fights we'd see were quite a bit more violent than the usual push and shove tactics of an American bar fight (ie: broken pint glasses, pool cues, ambulance visits.) I mean, I'd see that in college campus bars, but you wouldn't expect it in a neighborhood bar.

Although I am just an American, I have managed to travel somewhat extensively and have noticed that Americans do get a very bad rap. Side by side with the Brits, while sober, the Yanks are going to be louder and more obnoxious. But add booze, and the Brits are going go Motley Crue.

Fourthisto
13 Oct 2008, 08:33 AM
I know so many people who truly believe that they can't have a good time without getting drunk. Bit sad, really.

Also, I only know a handful of people (including myself) who actually know when it's time to stop. Most people just keep on drinking and drinking until they pass out/run out of money. Sounds like this sound of the pond too. We're not so different, you and I.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Fourthisto/15B20DrEvil.jpg

it can kind of ruin the whole 'distant foreign land' experience when you have to listen to drunk dudes talking about footballers. But that *IS* distant and foreign! Marvin Lewis is never mentioned over there! :p

justsoyaknow
13 Oct 2008, 10:27 AM
Not to say Americans have a handle on their liquor (check out any tailgating event or campus area party), but....

when i was in Ireland, i took my friends out to their favorite restaurant, Yamamori Noodles near Grafton St. in downtown Dublin. It was supposed to be a relaxed fine meal. Around us were some very, and i mean very obnoxious tables of Brits on retreat (most likely bachelorette parties and such). They were acting like they were at a soccer match in this very upscale restaurant.
We ventured to get drinks afterwards, lo and behold, drunken british adults 25-40 years old, acting like a hazing event on a college campus. so we retreated to a more low key bar on the other side of the river. well, my american friend and i went to order drinks. These two very drunk British guys heard our accents and started screaming at us for George W Bush. We tried to explain not all Americans voted for him, it fell on deaf ears and the Irish bartenders had to intervene. Seriously, this loaded British guy was threatening my friend and i, both around 105 lbs.

After that, we decided being out and about wasn't even worth it. Went back to my friends apartment and watched Irish cable......

the_birds
13 Oct 2008, 11:08 AM
Your 'handling' of your alcohol is directly relative to how much you're drinking. :D

What keeps me totally mindful about how much I'm drinking, is the fact that in many cases I have to drive home. And getting a DWI is not the end of the world, but its close. I will ride my bicycle to bars sometimes and you can get a DWI on a bike in Texas. Its just got me all kinds of paranoid.

justa bill
13 Oct 2008, 11:56 AM
But that *IS* distant and foreign! Marvin Lewis is never mentioned over there! :p

yeah, but it's about the same...

and london doesn't seem so distant to me... it's just kind of like a dirtier version of NYC but with a really bad street layout. :D

lutz
13 Oct 2008, 01:13 PM
drunken british adults 25-40 years old, acting like a hazing event on a college campus.Yeah, that's the thing. It's like they don't grow up. Pretty disgusting, really.

To be honest, I've never seen a bar fight. Maybe because I either move on to somewhere else before it gets to that point in the night, or because I tend to hang out in "nicer" pubs. Not that there's any excuse for violence, but you really do have to know where to avoid if you want a good night out.

Also, I have two controversial words that may partially explain the problem:
lower classes

:eek:

the_birds
13 Oct 2008, 01:38 PM
Also, I have two controversial words that may partially explain the problem:
lower classes

BAM!!! Lutzy breaks out the whooping stick!

Some of the worst drunks I've seen had way more money than sense. But in the U.S. class defined by money and not birth.

Personally, as a calm drunk (okay, I will get loud, but in a fun way) I like the heavy handed bar tactics in Texas. You don't act a fool in a bar. If a bar asks you to leave, you better leave. If you're in a club, you will get straight up abused, possibly all the way to the doors and they physically remove you from the premises.

drougan
14 Oct 2008, 09:06 AM
Your 'handling' of your alcohol is directly relative to how much you're drinking. :D

What keeps me totally mindful about how much I'm drinking, is the fact that in many cases I have to drive home. And getting a DWI is not the end of the world, but its close. I will ride my bicycle to bars sometimes and you can get a DWI on a bike in Texas. Its just got me all kinds of paranoid.

Technically, in most places, you can get a DWI for operating any mode of conveyance in a public right of way, whether it be car, bike, horse or skateboard.

That said, neither myself nor anyone else I've ever known has gotten busted on a bike. I did know one person who got tagged for speeding by a local cop in small town NE Ohio. But that's about it.

Also, I don't know how it is in TX, but in DC nothing you do on a bike will affect your drivers license status (IE, no suspension or points), at least I think that's how it works. Either way, the cops generally just ignore cyclists.