Jean Schmidt hit by car while jogging

[The Hegemo]

Fortunately no water got spilled on her, so she suffered only minor injuries...

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/310100104/-1/NEWS0107

[drougan]

Hmmm...Must be that deal she struck with Satan.

[juggles]

hmmm...must be that she was struck with a saturn.

ftfy.
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I must refrain from being mean (Jean) spirited about what happened. The person who hit her must be a coward like that vet who wanted to pull out of Iraq. ;)

[twentyshots]

I must refrain from being mean (Jean) spirited about what happened. The person who hit her must be a coward like that vet who wanted to pull out of Iraq. ;)

old "cut and run" jack murtha.

anyway, if i was her i would use this to prove how tough i am (bitch in a ditch? anyone? too soon? sorry.)

[euro60]

when things are tough, they only get tougher :rolleyes:

[Duemellon]

I wish her a speedy recovery to civilian life.

[Unrequited]

Did her bun come undone?

[Christian]

As much as I think that woman is horrible, I am annoyed that another person who isn't encased in two tons of steel (or fiberglass) gets the business end of a bumper. Hopefully, the div who was behind the wheel will get caught and get hit with a stiff fine.

On a lighter note, several years ago, I went to the Running Spot to pick up my Thanksgiving Day run packet and noticed Jean was there getting hers. The whole Murtha thing happened a few days prior and the room erupted in derisive laughter when someone in the crowd loudly said, "Hey Jean, I thought only cowards ran."

Man, I wish I thought of that...

[jneale]

I know i've posted on here years past I almost hit that stupid bitch - she is 100% at fault.

She runs in morning rush hour traffic on roads that are too small for 2 cars.

She jogged on Wards Corner Rd. when I was working in Milford - I blasted my horn at her damn near every day for 2 yrs.

For the record, I didn't hit her.

[thatnewchick]

I know i've posted on here years past I almost hit that stupid bitch - she is 100% at fault.

She runs in morning rush hour traffic on roads that are too small for 2 cars.

She jogged on Wards Corner Rd. when I was working in Milford - I blasted my horn at her damn near every day for 2 yrs.

For the record, I didn't hit her.

Clearly, someone else was unable to resist the temptation. I for one, am glad we get a 3rd choice on our ballot for our congressional seat. As you probably know, Jean voted for the bailout.

[REMgirl]

"Fortunately no water got spilled on her, so she suffered only minor injuries..."

Funniest line of the year. Bravo!

[The Hegemo]

Okay, I feel kind of bad for starting this thread now since it turns out she was hurt worse than she initially thought:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081014/NEWS01/810140304/1056/COL02

[jneale]

Okay, I feel kind of bad for starting this thread now since it turns out she was hurt worse than she initially thought:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081014/NEWS01/810140304/1056/COL02

don't

anyone who is stupid enough to jog on the roads she jogs on at peak traffic times is asking to be hit

there are PLENTY of places to jog, she is close to several very nice subdivisions, but no, she has to jog on roads that were never intended to get as much traffic as they do today nor have joggers on them

i have no pity for her, an old woman should know better than to play in traffic

darwin would call it natural selection

[frizgolf]

i have no pity for her, an old woman should know better than to play in traffic


Even I knew my dad was kidding when he said "go play in traffic".
There are endorphin-addicted joggers who seem to dare you to hit them, as if the road was designed for them. Not that I ever would hit one, but this is a hilly town with narrow, winding roads. I don't deny joggers room as pedestrians on the roads at all. It's that same one, same place, every day, who seems to have established his groove in the pavement that worries me.
Jogging is one of the most exhilarating and dangerous exercise habits the public has embraced. The quest for more endorphins takes runners beyond safe boundaries. You=200 lbs. Car=2000 lbs. You lose.

[euro60]

anyone who is stupid enough to jog on the roads she jogs on at peak traffic times is asking to be hit



I would not consider 5:45 am as "peak traffic time".

And I don't think that anyone is asking to be hit, just like anyone is asking to be raped.

You may or may not like the person, which isn't the point either way, but I find the tone of your post rather troubling.

[jneale]

I would not consider 5:45 am as "peak traffic time".

And I don't think that anyone is asking to be hit, just like anyone is asking to be raped.

You may or may not like the person, which isn't the point either way, but I find the tone of your post rather troubling.

Rape? Really?

So have you driven on those roads @ that time? There is plenty of starting @ 5AM and not letting up till 9 AM. I drove those roads for too long not to know.

Jogging on high traffic roads with lots of blind spots is negligent on the jogger’s part.

Be troubled all you want – joggers & to be fair bicyclists should not be allowed to jog/bike on roads that present an inherent hazard to the pedestrian.

The driver is faulted when in reality the roadway does not support pedestrian traffic – jogging, walking, or biking.

I do have strong emotions about this woman as I’ve had to deal with her jogging on roads where there is no way to see her until you are right on top of her & the choice is to either hit the car or hit the person. Miami Township received lots of complaints about her – but I was told there was nothing that could be done.

The driver should have owned up to it & stopped.

It was eventually going to happen. I have no remorse for her.

[the_birds]

Rape? Really?

So have you driven on those roads @ that time? There is plenty of starting @ 5AM and not letting up till 9 AM. I drove those roads for too long not to know.

Jogging on high traffic roads with lots of blind spots is negligent on the jogger’s part.

Be troubled all you want – joggers & to be fair bicyclists should not be allowed to jog/bike on roads that present an inherent hazard to the pedestrian.

The driver is faulted when in reality the roadway does not support pedestrian traffic – jogging, walking, or biking.

I do have strong emotions about this woman as I’ve had to deal with her jogging on roads where there is no way to see her until you are right on top of her & the choice is to either hit the car or hit the person. Miami Township received lots of complaints about her – but I was told there was nothing that could be done.

The driver should have owned up to it & stopped.

It was eventually going to happen. I have no remorse for her.

I'm going to have to agree with jneale on this one. I am trusting that he is telling the truth and if he is, just because you are the Pedestrian and you have rights, does not mean you have a license to be an idiot.

I think we had a discussion about riding bicycles sometime back and I said that you can't ride a bike in the street of every street, sometimes you have to ride on the sidewalk and that's its best to avoid those streets if you can.

You can do it. You can do it all you want. Just because you have the right and or the right-of-way, doesn't make it wise or safe.

And if you keep doing that, you are mathematically increasing your odds of getting hit.

[REMgirl]

"And I don't think that anyone is asking to be hit, just like anyone is asking to be raped."

If you are a jogger and you choose to run where it's specifically not safe nor designed for running, you are choosing to take a risk for bodily harm. Getting hit while running in a place which has no safe path is something you have chosen to do for whatever reason, but you have to accept the responsibility. You're not "asking for it", but you are increasing the odds. No one is deliberately going out to hit you; it's an accident if they do. Unless, apparently, you're jneale. ;)

Being raped happens anywhere, anytime. Women don't ask to be raped, nor should they feel as if they asked for it. When someone rapes a woman, it's not an accident, it's deliberate crime of anger or a power play. No matter how provocative a woman behaves, unless she gives specific consent, unwanted sex is considered an assault. It's not an accident.

[markalot]

So you can run in a busy street and are at fault if you get hit, but you should be able to walk in a bad neighborhood without getting raped?

I think the term 'rape' is the issue here. Women might get mugged in a bad neighborhood and because the muggers are usually men and bad apples to begin with the mugging might take a turn toward rape.

In our zeal to protect the raped from any blame I think we've gone a bit overboard, unless you want to protect the jogger too.

Should a woman be able to walk in a bad neighborhood at night in a string bikini? If the answer is no then please draw the line on dress or location.

[Sovrana]

So you can run in a busy street and are at fault if you get hit, but you should be able to walk in a bad neighborhood without getting raped?

I think the term 'rape' is the issue here. Women might get mugged in a bad neighborhood and because the muggers are usually men and bad apples to begin with the mugging might take a turn toward rape.

In our zeal to protect the raped from any blame I think we've gone a bit overboard, unless you want to protect the jogger too.

Should a woman be able to walk in a bad neighborhood at night in a string bikini? If the answer is no then please draw the line on dress or location.

Do you know a rape victim who has done this?

[Sovrana]

I think the point is that rape is always intentional. Hitting a jogger is not.

[markalot]

I think the point is that rape is always intentional. Hitting a jogger is not.

Good point, there is a stark difference between an accident and a crime. I guess I see 'bad neighborhoods' as a pool of mental illness where bad things happen to people who wander in. Kind of like running in traffic.

Do you see what I'm doing here? Some forgive people for doing bad things by blaming it on mental illness, kind of like an accident blamed on poor driving skills.

[Predot listener]

Should a woman be able to walk in a bad neighborhood at night in a string bikini? If the answer is no then please draw the line on dress or location.


Should she be able? Of course. Should she choose to? Probably not.

When I was in college, I was hanging out in some bars in New York City with some buddies. I got really hammered, and lost, and had to take the subway back to get near Grand Central Station so I could take the train home. Just before my subway ride ended, I noticed I was the only one in the car (did I mention I was hammered). The next day, I realized that I had certainly put myself in a position to get mugged (drunk, alone in the subway at 1:30 a.m. in the middle of the week). I wouldn't have deserved to get mugged, since no one ever does, but at the same time I couldn't hold myself totally faultless if it happened.

The same applies to the jogger here, if jneale's account is correct. The same can apply, to a lesser extent since it's a less predictable outcome, to rape victims. Just because something bad shouldn't happen to you doesn't mean you can't increase/decrease your chances by your own decisions.

[laurenmarie]

That's it... I'm staying out of CE/P for good. This is insanity. :confused:

[Sovrana]

Good point, there is a stark difference between an accident and a crime. I guess I see 'bad neighborhoods' as a pool of mental illness where bad things happen to people who wander in. Kind of like running in traffic.

Do you see what I'm doing here? Some forgive people for doing bad things by blaming it on mental illness, kind of like an accident blamed on poor driving skills.

I understand what you are doing, yes. I'm just suggesting that rape is not the best example to use if you are trying to draw any parallels. Find another crime...or better yet, accident to illustrate your points.
I'm thinking something like walking through a construction site without a hardhat or driving without a seat belt? Or riding a motorcycle without a helmet?

[REMgirl]

Thanks, Sovrana. I was trying to make a point that comparing the jogger and the rape victim was not valid.

Rape happens everywhere. It's not just a "dark alley" crime. It happens in homes and college dorms, cars parked wherever, etc. Elderly women get raped, children get raped. It's not always a woman in a tight skirt. It's not sex, it's violence.

[euro60]

This gets weirderder and weirderder by the minute. From the Enquirer:

Krikorian says Schmidt's injuries prove her story, but he doubted it at first

Posted by benfischer at 10/13/2008 1:54 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Just a few minutes ago, Independent congressional candidate David Krikorian made the following statement about U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt's hit-and-run car accident last Wednesday. Currently on a campaign swing through Adams County, he wasn't aware that Schmidt's injuries were far more severe than initially thought, forcing her to cut short a trip to Afghanistan over the weekend.

"Um, I’m going to say, we are – how do I put this – elements of the representative’s story do not add up," Krikorian said. "There is no way that at 6 a.m. in the morning, or 5:45 in the morning, she claims that a car was approaching her and it didn’t slow down. I’m assuming that it had its headlights on before it hit her, she turns her back. Two things that don’t make sense to me – One, she said she thought it was a gray car and a man was driving it. And I don’t see how you could make that assertion when it’s pitch black, foggy, and the headlights are facing her. You can’t tell what color the car is, and you certainly can’t tell who’s driving the car, especially if you turn your back.

“Secondly, she claims the car must have damage to it, based on it hitting her, yet apparently she was undamaged. All I can say is, you don’t get hit by a vehicle and walk away from it, and the vehicle has damage to it. I don’t see how she can make that assertion. I’ve talked to a lot of people who think the story’s phony. I’m not saying the story’s phony, but a lot of people out there think it is. And we’re looking into it.”

Then, after being informed of today's news, that Schmidt has two broken vertebra and two broken ribs:

“Well, that would certainly be new information that would then corroborate her story. But Jean Schmidt has a history of issues with the truth, and you know, I certainly don’t want to make an assertion where there’s none to be made, and the way it was initially reported in the paper doesn’t make a whole lot of sense."

"Now it makes sense. I had not heard that before. Now it seems like maybe she was hit. You can’t get hit by a car and not suffer injuries. Now we’re hearing reports that she did in fact suffer injuries, and if that’s the case, I wish her a speedy recovery.”

He said he would not suspend his campaign in light of her injuries.

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[markalot]

Thanks, Sovrana. I was trying to make a point that comparing the jogger and the rape victim was not valid.

Rape happens everywhere. It's not just a "dark alley" crime. It happens in homes and college dorms, cars parked wherever, etc. Elderly women get raped, children get raped. It's not always a woman in a tight skirt. It's not sex, it's violence.

Yep, but like I said a woman walking into a high crime area is MORE at risk than a man. You are making a mistake by focusing on the 'asking for it' argument when it comes to joggers but not when it comes to a crime far more personal to some of you. Many people feel like pedestrians, and bicyclists for that matter, should have the right of way. Telling them they are asking to be hit if they go there, even if it's an accident, does have parallels to the rape argument.

Unfortunately I suspect all you can see is me arguing for more conservative dress, which is not at all what I'm thinking.

Accident - victim - analysis - 'asking for it'.

It's a bullshit correlation no matter how you look at it.

If you walk into a hard hat area without a hard hat, then yea, but you all are coming to the conclusion that she was running where she should not run and it is somehow her fault. Then YOU go a step further and tell me that rape happens everywhere, as if it's even relative to this conversation.

People get hit everywhere too. Trains, autos, boats, jet skis, old, young, etc.

[Predot listener]

“Secondly, she claims the car must have damage to it, based on it hitting her, yet apparently she was undamaged. All I can say is, you don’t get hit by a vehicle and walk away from it, and the vehicle has damage to it. I don’t see how she can make that assertion. I’ve talked to a lot of people who think the story’s phony. I’m not saying the story’s phony, but a lot of people out there think it is. And we’re looking into it.”

"I would never accuse her of making this up. I just want to point out that other people think she made this up."

Excellent.

[REMgirl]

If you run where it's not safe and you increase your odds of being hit, then you have to accept that responsibility if you do get hit. You are the victim of an accident. Unless the driver intentionally swerved to hit you, it's not a crime.

Getting raped is different. You don't get raped accidentally. That's a crime.

Victim being hit by a car while jogging does not compare to victim of rape. That's why it was a bad comparison.

[Predot listener]

If you run where it's not safe and you increase your odds of being hit, then you have to accept that responsibility if you do get hit. You are the victim of an accident. Unless the driver intentionally swerved to hit you, it's not a crime.

Getting raped is different. You don't get raped accidentally. That's a crime.

Victim being hit by a car while jogging does not compare to victim of rape. That's why it was a bad comparison.


At the risk of earning pounds of wrath, let me ask you this.

You're a college freshman, hanging out and drinking with three other girlfriends at a fraternity house. Three of you decide to leave, but the other one decides to stay a little longer and party with the guys.

What do you say to her? Do you let her? If not, why?

And if, by chance, she stays and something terrible happens, would you advise her to take a different course of action next semester?

Yes, on one hand, a crime and an accident are vastly different. But if you look at it strictly from a risk standpoint, there are similarities. We should try to place ourselves in situations where the risks of harm (whether by accident or foul play) are minimized. And when we do the reverse, and place ourselves in situations where the risks are magnified, it's incumbent upon all of us to recognize the steps we can take to minimize those risks, at least in the future. Such consideration doesn't absolve a potential wrongdoer of an ounce of blame, it merely places a degree of responsibility on all of us to reduce the chances of being any kind of victim.

[taylor]

I know i've posted on here years past I almost hit that stupid bitch - she is 100% at fault.


20 Aug 2007, 07:20 PM
Re:Stupid joggers?
just like that bitch Jean Schmidt on Rt. 48 on the drive to work....

a year of plotting has paid off. ;)

[TripleShockPowa]

So you can run in a busy street and are at fault if you get hit, but you should be able to walk in a bad neighborhood without getting raped?

I think the term 'rape' is the issue here. Women might get mugged in a bad neighborhood and because the muggers are usually men and bad apples to begin with the mugging might take a turn toward rape.

In our zeal to protect the raped from any blame I think we've gone a bit overboard, unless you want to protect the jogger too.

Should a woman be able to walk in a bad neighborhood at night in a string bikini? If the answer is no then please draw the line on dress or location.

In an attempt to comment and not get flamed; there are no laws preventing you from wearing meat underware while taming lions but...

I think I know what jneal is getting at and I agree: You see these people out braving nasty weather, nasty traffic, all in the name of being healthy!

Common sence outta kick in at some point.

[jneale]

20 Aug 2007, 07:20 PM
Re:Stupid joggers?


a year of plotting has paid off. ;)

i have powers, beware

[taylor]

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[Angel30]

And if you keep doing that, you are mathematically increasing your odds of getting hit.

I used to drive these roads daily and also Branch Hill-Miamiville Road which is just as windy and hilly as the one she was jogging. There is a guy who jogs on Branch Hill-Miamiville Rd... on the wrong side. I have been so thankful that I passed him on one side of the hill or the other... otherwise he would have been hit for sure as it is a completely blind hill that twists too. He runs at 5-6 PM. While it might be light out, there is plenty of traffic... did I mention he runs on the wrong side of the road? I don't think anybody deserves to be hit for being stupid but I am not sure a driver, who is not impaired at least, should be charged if he owns up to what happened in a situation like this.

Oh, and I too am glad for multiple choices for this voting season. The local and state election is the only reason I am voting this year.

[Phreon]

I used to drive these roads daily and also Branch Hill-Miamiville Road which is just as windy and hilly as the one she was jogging. There is a guy who jogs on Branch Hill-Miamiville Rd... on the wrong side. I have been so thankful that I passed him on one side of the hill or the other... otherwise he would have been hit for sure as it is a completely blind hill that twists too. He runs at 5-6 PM. While it might be light out, there is plenty of traffic... did I mention he runs on the wrong side of the road? I don't think anybody deserves to be hit for being stupid but I am not sure a driver, who is not impaired at least, should be charged if he owns up to what happened in a situation like this.

Oh, and I too am glad for multiple choices for this voting season. The local and state election is the only reason I am voting this year.

Define "wrong side" of the road. You're supposed to walk/run opposing the flow of traffic so you can see it coming, The idea is that you're on the side and out of traffic for the most part. I'm pretty sure this invention called a "sidewalk" exists solely for pedestrians and that walking/running in the street is expressly forbidden. I also think this is why you get idiots on bicycles riding against traffic, they're following the walking rules that don't apply to them.

In reality, this thread boils down to a singular idea: "People are stupid".

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Should a woman be able to walk in a bad neighborhood at night in a string bikini? If the answer is no then please draw the line on dress or location.

If you think this is a good analogy, have I got an idea for you, Markalot. You should wear shades, a Burberry coat, a Rolex watch, and wave large sums of cash in the air. The setting: Rhode Island Ave., Washington, D.C., 1:00 a.m. To the tune of the "The Rich Sheik" by Carlos Mencia. "One, two, three and to the four, you rappers think you're rich, but you're really dirt poor."

You are welcome. I would appreciate being named beneficiary in your life insurance policy! :D :p