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Duemellon
06 Oct 2008, 10:03 AM
Yah, the big can o' worms.

Page last updated at 11:37 GMT, Monday, 6 October 2008 12:37 UK
The rival to the Bible (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm)
By Roger Bolton
What is probably the oldest known bible is being digitised, reuniting its scattered parts for the first time since its discovery 160 years ago. It is markedly different from its modern equivalent. What's left out?

The world's oldest surviving Bible is in bits.

For 1,500 years, the Codex Sinaiticus lay undisturbed in a Sinai monastery, until it was found - or stolen, as the monks say - in 1844 and split between Egypt, Russia, Germany and Britain.

Now these different parts are to be united online and, from next July, anyone, anywhere in the world with internet access will be able to view the complete text and read a translation.

For those who believe the Bible is the inerrant, unaltered word of God, there will be some very uncomfortable questions to answer. It shows there have been thousands of alterations to today's bible.

The Codex, probably the oldest Bible we have, also has books which are missing from the Authorised Version that most Christians are familiar with today - and it does not have crucial verses relating to the Resurrection.

Anti-Semitic writings
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Firstly, the Codex contains two extra books in the New Testament.

One is the little-known Shepherd of Hermas, written in Rome in the 2nd Century - the other, the Epistle of Barnabas. This goes out of its way to claim that it was the Jews, not the Romans, who killed Jesus, and is full of anti-Semitic kindling ready to be lit. "His blood be upon us," Barnabas has the Jews cry.

Discrepancies
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Faced with differing texts, which is the truly authentic one?

Mr Ehrman was a born again Bible-believing Evangelical until he read the original Greek texts and noticed some discrepancies.

Mr Ehrman was a born again Bible-believing Evangelical until he read the original Greek texts and noticed some discrepancies.

The Bible we now use can't be the inerrant word of God, he says, since what we have are the sometimes mistaken words copied by fallible scribes.

"When people ask me if the Bible is the word of God I answer 'which Bible?'"

The Codex - and other early manuscripts - do not mention the ascension of Jesus into heaven, and omit key references to the Resurrection, which the Archbishop of Canterbury has said is essential for Christian belief.

GISRICK
06 Oct 2008, 10:04 AM
when are you coming to New Jersey

Duemellon
06 Oct 2008, 10:25 AM
when are you coming to New JerseyI sent a few ambassadors this last weekend. Did you meet with them?

drougan
06 Oct 2008, 11:47 AM
Well, it's not like the Bible has ever been anything more than a collection of writings, some of which have been lost, forgotten, ignored, or altered to fit a purpose.

WalterSobchak
06 Oct 2008, 04:32 PM
Faced with differing texts, which is the truly authentic one?

Mr Ehrman was a born again Bible-believing Evangelical until he read the original Greek texts and noticed some discrepancies.

Mr Ehrman was a born again Bible-believing Evangelical until he read the original Greek texts and noticed some discrepancies.


Is this a test? I like the one where you have to find the difference between the two photos of scantily clad women better.

silentpaul
06 Oct 2008, 07:57 PM
Is this a test?

I, too, did a double-take as well.

Duemellon
06 Oct 2008, 08:18 PM
I, too, did a double-take as well.Somebody mis-pasted the news article. Go fig. I wish he'd fix it. It's distracting.

silentpaul
06 Oct 2008, 08:37 PM
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h127/DavetheWave_2006/MartyFeldmanIgor.jpg

What hump?

Never underestimate the power of denial.

The Big Crunch
07 Oct 2008, 11:38 AM
I may be mistaken, but at least for the Catholic and Anglican churches, this is old news. I've always thought the churches were very open to the fact that for several hundred years in the first millenium A.D., there were many versions of scripture and doctrine floating around. It was the various ecumenical councils that codified the "modern" Bible and church doctrine. As such, the announcement that an old book of scripture is sitting around and that it differs from the currently accepted Bible is a non-story. Even today, some Bibles omit a few minor books of the Old Testamanet, including the Book of Maccabees, while other Bibles include them.

The only folks who may be seriously affected by this are the ones who have absolutely no idea about the history of Christianity...oh, and the folks who just get a giddy thrill out of bashing religion and anyone who has religious beliefs - no one revels in intolerance more than an evangelical atheist.

Slar
07 Oct 2008, 07:09 PM
oh, and the folks who just get a giddy thrill out of bashing religion and anyone who has religious beliefs - no one revels in intolerance more than an evangelical atheist.Yeah, that's me. I guess I'm about as intolerant as they get. :rolleyes:

GISRICK
09 Oct 2008, 09:06 AM
do you think i'm a maverick?

The Big Crunch
09 Oct 2008, 10:04 AM
do you think i'm a maverick?
I'm not sure...are you maverick-y?

GISRICK
09 Oct 2008, 10:15 AM
I'm not sure...are you maverick-y?

see i'm looking for a title...and i thought maverick is a good title...

Maverick Rick

drougan
09 Oct 2008, 10:17 AM
Pshaw....

Maver-Rick

Buzzstein
09 Oct 2008, 12:12 PM
do you think i'm a maverick?

You betcha! ;)

justa bill
14 Oct 2008, 11:36 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27107721/?GT1=43001

Scientists confirm shark's ‘virgin birth’

Pup carried by Atlantic blacktip shark contained no male genetic material

RICHMOND, Va. - Scientists have confirmed the second case of a "virgin birth" in a shark.

In a study reported Friday in the Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male.

The first documented case of asexual reproduction, or parthenogenesis, among sharks involved a pup born to a hammerhead at an Omaha, Neb., zoo.
...

'parthenogenesis'... that's what they were saying all those years ago... :D

Priests and cannibals, prehistoric animals
Everybody happy as the dead come home
Big Black Nemesis, parthenogenesis
No one move a muscle as the dead come home

Arkansas
14 Oct 2008, 12:18 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27107721/?GT1=43001

Scientists confirm shark's ‘virgin birth’

Pup carried by Atlantic blacktip shark contained no male genetic material

RICHMOND, Va. - Scientists have confirmed the second case of a "virgin birth" in a shark.

In a study reported Friday in the Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male.

The first documented case of asexual reproduction, or parthenogenesis, among sharks involved a pup born to a hammerhead at an Omaha, Neb., zoo.
...

'parthenogenesis'... that's what they were saying all those years ago... :D

Priests and cannibals, prehistoric animals
Everybody happy as the dead come home
Big Black Nemesis, parthenogenesis
No one move a muscle as the dead come home

Just made a call home to begin immediate work on the Holy Mother of God-Shark shrine.

Better not sin or God-Shark will eat your evil ass.

This gives a whole new meaning to those Jesus fish bumper stickers.