FOTR: The Two Towers

[kcneon]

I think with 2 weeks to go, it's time to start a thread for this one. I caught most of the special that aired tonight on the WB. They showed quite a bit about what the cast did outside of shooting. That was fun to see. Also Charlie Rose had PJ, Mortensen and Elijah on last night. Was OK, but Viggo went on a little too long on his protest t-shirt. I wanted to hear more about the movie! Anyone else catch either of these?

Once again---I'm all hyper after seeing that shot of Treebeard!! WOW!

[venomousvaldez]

i got to watch it! that orlando bloom is such a cutie. However, I did want to know more about the movie. I can't wait to see that battle scene!
I have yet to read the two towers, i must find a copy of the book before i see the movie.

[kcneon]

OK, so today's the day........

[IPrayForSound]

*sniffle* Not for me...they were all sold out. So now I gotta wait till 7:30 tomorrow evening.

[kcneon]

Originally posted by IPrayForSound
*sniffle* Not for me...they were all sold out. So now I gotta wait till 7:30 tomorrow evening.
ouch! Sorry to hear that. Out of curiousity, IP, have you read all 3 books already?

[bluewilco]

I went and saw the first showing at midnight here and let me tell you, you shan't be disappointed. The visuals, the motion of the stories and, hell, even a little humor. I'm sure purists will complain about the little details being left on the cutting floor thanks to the running time (c'mon, it's 3 hrs), but hey, you get a large helping of Golem (who is used wonderfully in the movie--he stole the movie for me). I was upset that Chistopher Lee didn't say much throughout the movie whenever they'd show him. But just like Fellowship of the Rings, after The Two Towers was done, all I could think about was that I'd have to wait another year to see Return of the King.

[IPrayForSound]

Originally posted by kcneon

ouch! Sorry to hear that. Out of curiousity, IP, have you read all 3 books already?
Just finished 'em a few days ago for...um...the third or fourth time...I'm such a geek.

[Steele]

It is a GREAT movie! Some really hardcore 'Ringers' that I now were upset that Peter Jackson changed a couple things in the movie, much like the first, but they still agreed that it was a great movie. IT IS AWESOME! I loved it. They did Gollum perfectly.

[govinda8]

So I went and saw the movie last night at midnight, and boy was it an interesting crowd. A bit like a star wars convention. But anyway, i'll wait until more people have seen it to start commenting on the plot, but I want to say that I am frustrated that this one strayed so far from the book. I can't see any reason for it. Perfectly random things were added that didn't move the plot along any faster than had they been true to the book.

But Gollum is awesome. They did SUCH a good job with him.

[DogStarMan]

I'm going Friday night, but I'm protesting the title. (http://www.twotowersprotest.org/) :rolleyes:

[CtJester]

Originally posted by DogStarMan
I'm going Friday night, but I'm protesting the title. (http://www.twotowersprotest.org/) :rolleyes:

Well I'm just waiting for 'Lord of the Rings: Hiroshima' to come out, but I'm afraid it'll be all subtitles and actors running around screaming 'Godziiiiiiiillllaaaa'.

Frankly I'm kind of torn this week. Both LOTR and Gangs of New York are this week, and both are long epics. I'm having a tough time with this one...

-ct

[kcneon]

steele & govina......I think we're on the same wave length. Bugged me too, but not so much as to spoil the overall movie. Gollum shocked me--wow! The scene where he's seperated from Sam & Frodo near the waterfall was exactly as I envisioned the first time I read the book. It was almost creepy! And there were SO many fantastic things.....can't wait for all of you to see it!

But that one thing is going to gnaw on me for a loooooong time! urgh!

[govinda8]

Gangs of New York? I don't think that is really a decision. Really good enjoyable movie, crap movie with two crap leading male actors. Go with the hobbits.

[berzerker]

Originally posted by CtJester
*snip*Both LOTR and Gangs of New York are this week, and both are long epics. I'm having a tough time with this one...

-ct

dude, just get a catheter and a couple gallons of Mtn. Dew...

[venomousvaldez]

Holy fVck! that was awesome, awesome, awesome! I want to see it 100 more times, its so hellvua good! :p

[Juliana]

I'm going on Saturday, but in the meantime, I found this:

'Rings' Sequel Conjures Record Box Office Opening
Reuters
Dec 19 2002 8:35PM

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - J.R.R. Tolkien's diminutive hobbits are box office giants all over again, as the second installment in the "Lord of the Rings" movie trilogy set a record December one-day gross of $26 million in U.S. theaters.
The debut of "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" shattered the previous all-time box office benchmark for a single day in December, set last year by its precursor, "The Fellowship of the Ring," at $18.2 million, distributor New Line Cinema said on Thursday.

The "Two Towers" tally also marks the second biggest Wednesday movie opening ever behind the $28.5 million first-day gross of "Star Wars: Episode I -- The Phantom Menace" in May of 1999.

"This is really the 'Star Wars,' of today's generation," Paul Dergarabedian, president of the box-office tracking service Exhibitor Relations Inc., said the "Rings" phenomenon.

"Two Towers" grossed an additional $16 million from its debut in Tolkien's native South Africa and 13 European countries on Wednesday, up 45 percent from last year's opening-day overseas performance of "Fellowship of the Ring."

New Line, a unit of AOL Time Warner Inc., said "Two Towers" marked the highest opening day ever in 10 out of 14 foreign countries.

The film stars Elijah Wood as Frodo Baggins, the hobbit who leads a quest to destroy the Dark Lord Sauron's ring of power and save Middle-earth.

"We're astounded at these numbers," said Rolf Mittweg, president for worldwide distribution and marketing at New Line. "For a three-hour film that is central in a trilogy to open this way is energizing and tremendously exciting."

If the success of "Fellowship of the Ring" is any indication, "Two Towers" is on its way to blockbuster status. The first film in the trilogy based on Tolkien's novels went on to gross $66 million through its first weekend and more than $313 million in the United States alone.

By comparison, superhero adventure "Spider-Man" holds the record for biggest single day ever at the U.S. box office, grossing $43.6 million in its second day of release in May of this year and nearly $115 million through its first five days. It grossed a total of $403.7 million domestically and twice that worldwide.

"Fellowship of the Ring" proved to be more potent internationally, ultimately grossing $860.2 million around the globe.

"Two Towers" was benefiting from glowing reviews and a built-in base of devoted Tolkien readers, as well as a new generation of fans drawn to the epic fantasy by Peter Jackson's big-screen adaptation. It also was helped by its super-sized roll-out, opening in 3,622 theaters around the country.

"These films have really captured the imagination of moviegoers," Dergarabedian said. "The first film brilliantly set up the necessity to see the second film, thus ensuring its success."


12/19/02 20:32 ET

[CtJester]

Ok, so I went and saw the hobbits and wasn't disappointed. It's as good, if not better than the first (since you don't have all that set-up to go through).

Gollum was great. He stole the movie for me. Well that, and the last 45 minutes after the king gives the speech to his second-in-command. Those battle scenes were better than anything in Star Wars Ep2 (except maybe two minutes of lightsaber wielding Yoda), and prove how feeble and useless Lucas is in engaging an audience anymore.

All in all, a teriffic film. Now I'm ready for Gangs of New York and Catch Me If You Can.

PS... All told, with commercials, previews, and film, be prepared to sit for 3 1/2 hours. Don't drink anything beforehand.

-ct

[IPrayForSound]

I enjoyed the movie very much.

Now that I've got that out of the way, I just wanna say that tonight I had too many helpings of whatthefuck?!?!?! I think the phrase "took some liberties" is my new favorite understatement. I'll let more people see the flick before I go into specifics. Be warned; I have a good half dozen or more issues to discuss.

[govinda8]

IPFS: I am wondering if we have the same issues with the film.



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Okay so why did the Elves fight at Helm's deep when they didn't in the book? Why did Haldir die? ~He and Boromir are my favorite and they both died. Poo.
Why did Faramir take them to Osgilath?

And why all of the "love story" with Aragorn? ~Granted, some of that was in the index, but who reads the index? and what purpose does it serve? None.

The actors and special effects were great so I am putting all the blame on Peter Jackson. I thought he was all about being faithful to the books. He only left out a couple major things in the first one. But this one? Maybe he didn't leave much out, but he added a bunch of crap and made Faramir look like a jerk. "Frodo, you're coming with us, I want that ring for myself. Oh, well I didn't understand. Both of you can go on your way now."

Everyone I know says I am reading too much into this and the movie stands on his own, but it still pisses me off. Take stuff out for the sake of editing and time constraints but don't make up entire sections of the plot.

[IPrayForSound]

Okay, so we're discussing spoilers already.....


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Yeah, I agree with all you've said, but I'll reiterate just to get my point across.

Additional warning for anyone who's about to read this...the language is less than pretty...

Why the fuck were there elves at Helm's Deep? Why the fuck didn't a forest show up to swallow the orcs? Why the fuck were there scenes of the exodus from Rivendel? Why the fuck was Arwen even shown (did Liv have a contract stating that she MUST be in all three films??)? Who the fuck cares about the love story? Why the fuck did Aragorn fall off the cliff? Why the fuck did we see ANYTHING related to Osgiliath? Why the fuck did Faramir take the ring to Osgiliath? Why the fuck was so much humor used in the middle of such a dark tale (don't get me wrong, there should have been SOME, and most of it was actually funny, but it just didn't fit). Why the fuck did some of the ents look like muppets? Why the fuck was there so much obvious blue-screen shoddiness?

Okay, so I realize the last two are forgiveable...but I still stand by my plot-point objections.


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Sorry.

[kcneon]

Guess I'm not alone with some of my complaints. So here we go....

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The #1 biggest ****-up is the Faramir storyline!!! URGH! *%#! *%#! *%#! Right in the middle of the movie I turned to my friend & just said "This is WRONG!" I mean SO wrong. Faramir blatantly rejects the ring in the book. I can see the writing on the wall about this for the next movie and it doesn't make me happy. Again, it's wrong! The way it's written, it will justify Denethor and we all know there was no real explanation for him!

I had heard from the beginning about 'the love story', so could care less & probably expecting it was why it didn't bug me much.

The war and who fought was just a mess.

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If I get the chance today I'm going to try to get on some lotr sites & see what the geeks think. (not that I'm not a geek, but definitely not in the same class as most of them!) We cannot be the only ones thinking this.....

[bluewilco]

Most of the changes didn't bother me, but of course I haven't read Two Towers in many many years and couldn't recall everything. I forgot that elves didn't fight at Helm's Deep (as I continue to run some events together throughout the books). I guess it just didn't bother me considering that I thought it was an excellent movie, and where most people say it's better than the first, I think they are equal. Both are great pieces and make me anticipate what should be the best film of the trilogy: Return of the King. If they do it right, then no one will care about the little things omitted or rearranged for the big screen.

My one complaint goes back to what was said before; I think they had too much humor at dumb times, minus the (SPOILER: dwarf toss scene).

[CtJester]

Originally posted by bluewilco
Most of the changes didn't bother me, but of course I haven't read Two Towers in many many years and couldn't recall everything. I forgot that elves didn't fight at Helm's Deep (as I continue to run some events together throughout the books). I guess it just didn't bother me considering that I thought it was an excellent movie, and where most people say it's better than the first, I think they are equal. Both are great pieces and make me anticipate what should be the best film of the trilogy: Return of the King. If they do it right, then no one will care about the little things omitted or rearranged for the big screen.

My one complaint goes back to what was said before; I think they had too much humor at dumb times, minus the (SPOILER: dwarf toss scene).

I'll agree with most of this too. Some of the humor in the movie was kind of pointless, and all of it involved John Rhys-Davies. I groaned at the drawf-tossing remark, but I loved the running 'body count' shared between Legolas and Gimli. So for me it was hit and miss.

Having never read the books, I think it's a great way to set up people to read the books, especially kids. And truly, this series is this generation's 'Star Wars', since even 'Star Wars' itself cannot provide the sparks it once used to. At least in this case, there is a definitive end after the third tale, so they can't muck it up further by trying to cash in later (unless Jackson decided to do 'The Hobbit', in which case, I still think he'd be fine).

As for plot points, and careless disregard for the book; people chastised Harry Potter for the same thing. The first film was too faithful to the text, and I thought the movie was stilted for it. The second, from what I hear, took liberties with the text and it was a better film for it. Like I said, having never read the books, I find the movie thoroughly entertaining and engaging on a level where I didn't have to pick out plot holes. Sure, purists may have issues, but these issues are minor when translating something this massive to the screen. (Granted, when I see 'Dreamcatcher', I might be saying, 'Hey, King didn't write that.'. But, it's a movie, and not everything on the written page translates well to the screen.) Maybe I'm not the best judge of things like this, but I was happy none-the-less.

Now if only Leo DiCaprio gets DiCapitated in Gangs of New York, I'll be a happy jester.

-ct

[govinda8]

I know changes must be made from book to film, but I cannot approve of such MAJOR changes/additions. The Faramir thing is just wrong. Changing the character is wrong. And killing Haldir is super super wrong because (i'm gonna be a girl here) he was hot. I hope two towers gets shut out of the oscars. that will teach ole peter jackson.

and i mean i love the books and the movies. the trilogy and the hobbit are the only books i've ever read more than once, and I still can't remember the names of half of the characters and places and the books sort of mush together, but it ain't right, just ain't right. if i complain about it enough maybe it will be fixed the next time I see it.

[slow-dog]

Still spoiling......














Saw it and liked it...echoing most of the positive comments said above. Having only read the books once, the changes Jackson made didn't bother me so much, although some of them were kind of weak (Faramir). As for the elves at Helm's Deep, wasn't the book a siege over several days? I guess it was a way to accelerate that whole bit--the keep has to collapse faster, but you can't have the few Rohirrim overrun immediately. I don't know though......

[Juliana]

Okay, I'm going out on a limb here.
Well, actually, I'm probably not, since I probably said the same things after I saw the first one, but whatever, you know what I mean.

I've never read the books. I think that Peter Jackson is maybe trying to reach people who haven't necessarily read the books. I mean, honestly, I think those of you who have are in the minority. I do plan on reading them *AFTER* all the movies, because I don't want to sit there and go "Oh, he sould have done this, because since he didn't, the movie is inferior." When the truth is that these movies are amazing. The best movies, cast, script, screenplay, and definitly overall look "cinematography" or whatever, than anything that has come out of Hollywood in a long time, if not ever. They're simply beautiful films.

I loved all the humor. Sometimes we were the only ones in the movie laughing, but I don't care. The humor is nice, I mean, you can't be so serious for 3 hours. It would have actually *FELT* like 3 hours had it. Plus, I don't know, a lot of us react with humor when we're scared or nervous or when things get too serious. I know a lot of you guys do (I do).

Smegel/Smigel/however you spell the Gollum's name was awesome. I mean really really great. I would have liked more of his story though, but maybe/hopefully we'll get that in the next movie. Or, well, I guess the book. He was just such a ..."deep" character, for lack of a better term. And he was so cute when he was happy/a little bit sane.

I would have liked to see more with Pippin and Merry. I don't know the scope of their roles in the books, but I just like them a lot. I thought that Merry (or Pippin, I forget which) gave maybe the best speech in the film.

I liked the love story. Hell, you can barely call it a love story. Really, I mean, think about it. If you put all the "romantic" bits together, it makes up less than 20 minutes of the movie, and 20 minutes out of 180 isn't anything. It's 9%. And I hate Liv Tyler more than just about anybody, and her screen time was maybe 5 minutes. MAYBE. It wasn't so bad.

The guy who played Faramir was great. Is he really related to the guy who played Bromir in the first one? I mean, they looked *dead on* each other.

Which one was Haldir? Sorry, all of the names sort of start to run together for me.

I thought it was as good as the first. Not better, but definitly equal. I do not agree with whoever said there should be an Oscar shutout. I think it definitly deserves a few.

I cannot wait for the third one. My sister actually came home and wrote "364 days left" on our kitchen message board.

To close, I'll leave you with a quote from those people who wanted the title changed:
[QUOTE]
We believe that Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema's actions are in fact hate speech. The movie is intentionally being named The Two Towers in order to capitalize on the tragedy of September 11. Clearly, you cannot deny the fact that this falls under hate speech. We believe that if they will not willingly change the name, the government should step in to stop the movie's production or to force a name change.
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They're also the same people who got "Phone Booth" pushed back. Freakshows.

[Juliana]

Godiva- How co uld you tell Haldir was hot? I don't even remember seeing his face. Besides, didn't Legolas and Aragorn and Frodo, and Merry and Pippin satisfy the cute boy factor? ;)

One more thing, just remind yourself of the previews. I'm sure they were as lame as the ones we saw. These kinds of movies are what the Hollywood machine is putting out there. Now, didn't that make you elevate the "hate speech" titled Two Towers even higher?

[bmxer43]

I guess I'm the only person who thought the first one was mediocre and has no desire to see this one.....

[govinda8]

No no no. Haldir was the elf who was killed in battle that Aragorn all ran after but couldn't save. He was in the first movie and commented on how loud Gimli's breathing was. Very dark eyebrows big nose. Makes the speech about the elves coming to honor old alliances. THAT is Haldir.

And Orlando Bloom is a jerkface so he almost ruins Legolas for me and while I do appreciate a little Viggo now and again...

[govinda8]

http://jmsstyxnyes.tripod.com/lotr/haldir/halttt5.jpg

let's see if this works since i am challenged.

[DogStarMan]

Wow! All I have to say is Gandalf fighting the Balrog gets my vote for best action scene ever!

[butter_of_69]

Whoever said there was "blue-screen shoddiness"....

What do you want? The filmmakers to find an actual talking tree? To find 20,000 actual orcs? To find an actual 10 story high flaming creature? To find the actual Sauron and project his actual eye 500 feet into the sky and film that?

How anyone could find the special effects in this film anything less than at the very least good confuses me.

The Helms Deep fight scenes did not awe me, but the flooding of Saruman's tower (I can't remember its name now) did. As did many other scenes.

[MonkeyGirl]

I hate to think I just saw this film because Viggo is so sexy as Aragorn..but..well....
I did see the first one out of pure interest tho. I never read the books so I can't make any comparisons. I can say that my kid didn't pee on me this time (like he did during Fellowship) so it was all the more better! That should be the new slogan or something: "Go see The Two Towers! You won't get peed on this time!"

Err...yeah...

[c-lando]

Originally posted by DogStarMan
Wow! All I have to say is Gandalf fighting the Balrog gets my vote for best action scene ever! And best opening scene ever (well......maybe after SUPERTROOPERS :) ).

I loved this movie. It kept my interest MUCH more than the first....probably because everyone was split up and I always knew that the movie would jump back to one of the other plot lines.

Also, I loved the message of hope and determination and the notion that EVERYONE in this world CAN contribute to a situation and make a difference. I wanted to give Sam the biggest hug at the end of the movie.

[IPrayForSound]

Originally posted by c-lando
(well......maybe after SUPERTROOPERS :) ).
I've now decided that you can do no wrong.



meow

[Emperor Wog]

Here is some cool LOTR: The Two Towers trivia taken from www.imdb.com:

Stuart Townsend was fired shortly after shooting began due to creative differences.


Orlando Bloom originally auditioned for the part of Faramir. He was called back and subsequently cast, instead, as Legolas.


Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2000), Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2001), and Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2001) were filmed simultaneously.


Several members of the cast returned to New Zealand as Peter Jackson has thought of some more ideas for scenes.


The Orc battle cries for the Helm's Deep battle sequence were provided by a stadium of 25,000 cricket fans, who screamed the war chants, spelled out on the Diamond Vision screen, with Jackson himself leading the crowd.


The theme to Requiem for a Dream (2000) by Clint Mansell was re-orchestrated for the trailer.


Gollum/Smeagol is a CGI character, but Jackson wanted the character to be performer-oriented, so actor Andy Serkis, the voice of Gollum, played the character in a motion capture suit. Serkis also played scenes with 'Wood, Eljiah' (Frodo) and Sean Astin (Sam) on set to give the actors a focal point. On those occasions when Serkis was actually in shot Gollum was composited over him in post production.


The set for the Helm's Deep battle scene was built on location in New Zealand over a period of seven months.


When arriving upon the set to film the scene in which Andy Serkis (Gollum) has to catch a fish, they discovered that it had snowed overnight. Peter Jackson had the snow cleared on the set (which included defrosting the river as well as the land surrounding it) by 1:00 PM.


The role of Éowyn, the White Lady of Rohan, was first offered to Irish actress Alison Doody in December 1999, who had to decline the part because she had just given birth to her second daughter. Miranda Otto then auditioned for the same role.


Director Cameo: [Peter Jackson] In the tower at Helm's Deep throwing a rock.


John Rhys-Davies, also provided the voice for Treebeard.


Whilst filming the scenes on the River Anduin, Orlando Bloom and Viggo Mortensen were swept out of their boats.


Peter Jackson's children appear as "cute Rohan refugee children".


The map that Faramir and his aide look at is the map featured in the books, drawn by Tolkien.


The battle at Helm's Deep was edited down from twenty hours of footage, shot over a three month period with the rain machine battering down on the cast.


Viggo Mortensen broke a toe while kicking the steel helmet by the orc pyre.

[c-lando]

Originally posted by IPrayForSound
I've now decided that you can do no wrong.
meow Suh-weeeet.

[Ol-One-Eye]

Loved it!!! I shall say nothing more!:)

[The Sheck]

Originally posted by Emperor Wog
Stuart Townsend was fired shortly after shooting began due to creative differences.

Wonder what character he would have been? Legolas?

[Storm]

I've yet to see the Two Towers myself. This year they(whomever "they" are) are playing this movie in awkward accessible theatres. Unlike last year, where the LOTR- Fellowship of the Ring was played in a brand spanking new theatre in an accessible mall.

Call me a wimp, but at the present time I don't fathom riding 40 minutes on a bus then trek across a very highway, then through a parking lot, covered in snow.
I love LOTR and the Hobbit(which I saw these Originals when I was little) and the books, and Peter Jackson's versions Adam ??? plays Gollum ... "my precious"

I dread waiting until August or October for the DVD release for the Two Towers.

Viggo may have spoken too long about his protest t-shirt that he himself made on Charlie Rich, yet it is annoying to hear how people are indeed continuously comparing the massive tragedy of Sept.11.2001 to LOTR- Two Towers.

[The Sheck]

Originally posted by Storm
Viggo may have spoken too long about his protest t-shirt that he himself made on Charlie Rich, yet it is annoying to hear how people are indeed continuously comparing the massive tragedy of Sept.11.2001 to LOTR- Two Towers.

Hear Hear! Should we switch EVERY potentially offensive title or name even if they happened decades before a tragedy? While 9/11 was awful, it's ridiculous to rewrite previous culture just to not step on people's toes, so to speak.

[kcneon]

Originally posted by The Sheck
Wonder what character he would have been? Legolas?
He (Stuart Townsend) was cast as Aragorn. I can't remember if it was mentioned in that list of trivia--probably was, but that Orlando (Legolas) was trying out for the part of Faramir. Really glad he go the Legolas part!!

[kcneon]

Just resurrecting this thread to remind you guys that TTT DVD will be available in just a few days. The AWESOME news however.....have you seen any of the pics from the Extended Edition that will be out in November??? Aye carumba!

Not that any of the added footage contains Boromir flashbacks or anything! ;)

[DogStarMan]

Yah, if people are smart they'll wait for the inevitable second release of the DVD with all the extra footage, etc. Seeing the commercials has been making me itch to see it again, so I'll just have to rent it when it comes out.

[coreyhemp]

Yes, I agree.....this Tuesday I get to watch it for a third time!!!! It just suxx cause I heard this version of the DVD suxx and there's not much extra stuff that we haven't seen on the fellowship DVD. Still get to see it again!!! and I should catch more stuff watching it at home with our home theater, able to pause, rewind, etc. It's just my dumbass girlfriend already put a deposit on it and I was going to wait for the one in November...oh well!!

[slow-dog]

Allegedly, there will be theatrical releases of the extended editions of the first two films in the weeks prior to the release of "Return of the King"

[matt]

Here is some info:
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,12363,00.html

Can you imagine watching the first two in the theater followed by the debut of the third? Good god that'll make for a long day.

[MrApples]

Not As good as the first one

[kcneon]

OK.....who's viewed the Extended Edition? Got my copy this weekend. Nice touches on some of the little things from the book that weren't captured in the movie. I have to admit that there were a few I couldn't remember whether they were in the theatrical release or not. Did it seem to anyone else that it was almost like an alternative scene (same scene but somewhat different) was put in? It was easy to tell in The Fellowship as I saw it more times in the theater than TTT.