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Macpherson
16 Jun 2008, 07:42 AM
Washington Post blog (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/16/AR2008061600340.html)
Here's Our New Policy On A.P. stories: They're Banned

Michael Arrington
TechCrunch.com
Monday, June 16, 2008; 7:09 AM

The stories over the weekend were bad enough- the Associated Press, with a long history of suing over quotations from their articles, went after Drudge Retort for having the audacity to link to their stories along with short quotations via reader submissions. Drudge Retort is doing nothing different than what Digg, TechMeme, Mixx and dozens of other sites do, and frankly the fact that they are being linked to should be considered a favor.

After heavy criticism over the last few days, the A.P. is in damage control mode, says the NYTimes, and retreating from their earlier position. But from what I read, they're just pushing their case further.

They do not want people quoting their stories, despite the fact that such activity very clearly falls within the fair use exception to copyright law. They claim that the activity is an infringement.

A.P. vice president Jim Kennedy says they will issue guidelines telling bloggers what is acceptable and what isn't, over and above what the law says is acceptable. They will "attempt to define clear standards as to how much of its articles and broadcasts bloggers and Web sites can excerpt without infringing on The A.P.'s copyright."

Those that disregard the guidelines risk being sued by the A.P., despite the fact that such use may fall under the concept of fair use.

The A.P. doesn't get to make it's own rules around how its content is used, if those rules are stricter than the law allows. So even thought they say they are making these new guidelines in the spirit of cooperation, it's clear that, like the RIAA and MPAA, they are trying to claw their way to a set of property rights that don't exist today and that they are not legally entitled to. And like the RIAA and MPAA, this is done to protect a dying business model - paid content.

So here's our new policy on A.P. stories: they don't exist. We don't see them, we don't quote them, we don't link to them. They're banned until they abandon this new strategy, and I encourage others to do the same until they back down from these ridiculous attempts to stop the spread of information around the Internet.

Duemellon
16 Jun 2008, 09:26 AM
I've always tried my best to properly link & cite articles from whatever source. I know that if they were citing & linking properly they weren't violating anything but AP is threating a pack of lawyers. Whether or not AP is in the right, they're lawyers will force you to pony up cash & time you don't have to defend your right to link one... lousy... article.

silentpaul
16 Jun 2008, 10:38 AM
What's wrong with a news agency that doesn't want its news disseminated?

Fourthisto
16 Jun 2008, 10:49 AM
What's wrong with a news agency that doesn't want its news disseminated?I think they've noticed that their site is getting less direct traffic. How many times does mankind actually click on the link and read their story directly from their site? I'd think the majority of people just read their (the AP) story on someone else's site, and then are done with it.

Their mindset might be that the less traffic they get, the less cash from advertisements, less cash from people or newsagencies buying their services (for stories, pictures, video, etc.) directly.... all the less relevant they become.

They're just grasping at straws trying to put a bandaid on a severed limb.

Predot listener
16 Jun 2008, 10:59 AM
Isn't part of the problem what McPherson (and many others) did here. Rather than simply link to the story, thus generating the hits the agency that wrote the story deserves (in this case, TechCrunch) did, the material is lifted in its entirety and pasted somewhere else. Simply citing the source doesn't help the news organization that generated the content recoup its investment. I imagine this problem is even bigger for the AP, which generates more news stories than anyone else.

silentpaul
16 Jun 2008, 11:10 AM
Isn't part of the problem what McPherson (and many others) did here. Rather than simply link to the story, thus generating the hits the agency that wrote the story deserves (in this case, TechCrunch) did, the material is lifted in its entirety and pasted somewhere else. Simply citing the source doesn't help the news organization that generated the content recoup its investment. I imagine this problem is even bigger for the AP, which generates more news stories than anyone else.

Good point. Isn't that what yahoo news does? I just figured the AP licensed their stories out, or gave permission to have the whole thing cut-and-pasted with a live link. Guess I was wrong.

Duemellon
16 Jun 2008, 11:51 AM
Well, Yahoo probably pays a fee to be fed.

If they want to control the information they put out by forcing people to use it as a portal, they have to alter the very nature of "information". The fact that we will find any way to transmit this information around & have been doing so proves they can't control it.

Before people could cut & paste people were making reports citing newspapers & no one was going to buy them. Before that people would talk about the news on the streets & their audience wouldn't necessarily have to get it.

More people are using their information to cite, so they may have more people who are aware of them, but their money-making model is incorrect to handle such things. They need to rethink their strategy.

Macpherson
16 Jun 2008, 12:17 PM
Isn't part of the problem what McPherson (and many others) did here. Rather than simply link to the story, thus generating the hits the agency that wrote the story deserves (in this case, TechCrunch) did, the material is lifted in its entirety and pasted somewhere else. Simply citing the source doesn't help the news organization that generated the content recoup its investment. I imagine this problem is even bigger for the AP, which generates more news stories than anyone else.

the problem is that it isn't illegal.

Duemellon
16 Jun 2008, 12:58 PM
the problem is that it isn't illegal.The problem is that AP claims it's illegal

the happy prole
16 Jun 2008, 04:01 PM
No the problem is that it is probably illegal. Whether it should be is a different matter.

The Sheck
22 Jun 2008, 01:15 PM
It's kind of like copying a CD and giving it to a friend. The RIAA thinks that's illegal and wants to be paid for that 'lost' sale. The AP is tired of everyone (bloggers) linking to news reports they put out and want to be paid for that.

Good luck.

classicgrrl
22 Jun 2008, 11:48 PM
make ya a deal....we'll quite "stealing" the AP "news" stories when they start actually reporting real news minus bias.

the happy prole
22 Jun 2008, 11:55 PM
If it sucks so bad, why would people steal it?

Trevour
23 Jun 2008, 01:35 AM
If it sucks so bad, why would people steal it?

I wonder the same thing with Nickelback.

Duemellon
23 Jun 2008, 07:06 AM
If it sucks so bad, why would people steal it?for the same reason Fox got so much free press with the terrorist fist jab?

No, but really,...
The point of citations is just that. To give credit to the original authors & publishers. Is the AP selling their stories? Is that the way they draw ad $? But ever since papers were created people would "cite" them, copy bits of the article, & basically advertise for the AP.

You don't get paid for namedropping, but you get fame. They want every "namedrop" to equal a monetary amount, but that's not the way it works.

If Muhammed Ali got 1¢ for every time someone quoted him, talked about one of his fights, or talks about his current status, he'd be a bazillionaire. But he's not, because it doesn't work that way. For a reason.

ThomasC
26 Jul 2009, 09:43 PM
Relax, Bloggers. The AP Isn’t Out to Get You (http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/relax_bloggers_the_ap_isnt_out.php)
It has no intent to nail individual bloggers for linking to stories or quoting headlines. It’s going after wholesale theft of its content by websites trying to make a profit off of it.

OldManIndieKid
27 Jul 2009, 01:02 PM
Relax, Bloggers. The AP Isn’t Out to Get You (http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/relax_bloggers_the_ap_isnt_out.php)
I'm not going to click on some random link that someone just posted in an internet forum. Could you cut and paste the article for me here please? I feel safer that way... ;)