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markalot
30 Jan 2008, 08:13 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_hi_te/earns_amazon_4

By JESSICA MINTZ, AP Technology Writer Wed Jan 30, 4:41 PM ET

SEATTLE - Web retailer Amazon.com Inc. said Wednesday its fourth-quarter profit more than doubled, helped by fast-growing international sales.

Amazon's earnings in the crucial holiday quarter climbed to $207 million, or 48 cents per share, from $98 million, or 23 cents per share, in the same period last year.

Results were in line with Wall Street's expectations. Analysts Polled by Thomson Financial forecast a profit of 48 cents per share.

Revenue rose 42 percent to $5.67 billion from $3.9 billion in the year-ago quarter, topping analysts' view for $5.37 billion.

International sales growth outpaced U.S. sales in the holiday quarter. U.S. and Canada sales rose 40 percent to $3.08 billion, while international sales climbed 46 percent to $2.59 billion.

Shares of Amazon added 5 cents to $74 in late afternoon trading.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080131/bs_nm/amazon_dc_3

By Alexandria Sage 39 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) posted a decline in profit margins on Wednesday as the cost of discounting overshadowed a robust rise in quarterly earnings and a bullish 2008 sales view above Wall Street targets.
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Shares of the Internet retailer, which trade at a huge premium to peers, fell 11 percent on fears a potential recession could sap Amazon's earnings.

Margin contraction is a recurring worry among analysts who have watched the company spend on technology to attract new customers and discount shipping to keep buyers loyal.

But the fourth quarter was no exception to the worrying trend, with gross profit margin falling to 20.6 percent from 21.3 percent a year ago and 23.4 percent in the third quarter.

"That was disappointing," said Hamed Khorsand of BWS Financial. "It seems there was a lot of promotions, discounting in the quarter."

The operating income forecast range, largely below Wall Street targets, "doesn't look too great," he added.

Global Crown Capital's Martin Pyykkonen said the company had implied its operating margins would be 5.5 percent to 6.2 percent in 2008, in line with the previous two years and compared with 5.7 percent in 2007.

Chief Financial Officer Tom Szkutak said double-digit operating margins were "possible" but added: "If a high single-digit operating margin is the right thing to drive free cash flow, that's what we'll do."

Fears of weaker U.S. consumer spending have unnerved investors in consumer companies, but pressed by reporters about how Amazon would fare, Szkutak said: "Our business is fine."

"What we think going forward is reflected in our guidance," he said on a conference call.

Asked whether Amazon had cut prices to the detriment of profit margins, Szkutak said the company was continuously looking at pricing, and the fourth quarter was no different.

Amazon's spending has chipped away at profit in recent years but a 2007 pull-back helped spark a rally in its shares last spring. Szkutak said its spending on technology and content will rise "somewhat less" in 2008 than revenue growth.

Net profit rose 112 percent to $207 million, or 48 cents per share, from $98 million, or 23 cents per share, a year ago. Sales rose 42 percent to $5.67 billion in the quarter.

Analysts, on average, had been expecting Seattle-based Amazon to post earnings of 47 cents per share on revenue of $5.36 billion, according to Reuters Estimates.

Operating income rose 38 percent to $271 million.

Amazon was one of the high-flying tech stocks in the latter half of 2007, but much of that gain was lost in a recent sector sell-off on recession fears and disappointing forecasts from Apple Inc (AAPL.O), eBay Inc (EBAY.O) and Yahoo Inc (YHOO.O). Wall Street concerns center on how Amazon, the most popular Web e-commerce site behind eBay, will fare in a recession.

LOOKING AHEAD

Amazon said it expects first-quarter net sales to rise 31 percent to 38 percent, to between $3.95 billion and $4.15 billion, and operating income of $155 million to $200 million.

Analysts, on average, have been expecting first-quarter net sales of $3.84 billion and operating income of $199 million, according to Reuters Estimates.

Amazon forecast 2008 net sales of $18.75 billion to $19.75 billion and operating income of $785 million to $985 million, whereas Wall Street, on average, has expected $18.1 billion and $964 million.

At Wednesday's close, shares of Amazon traded at 46 times 2008 earnings, well above the Amex Internet Index (.IIX) average of 19. Retail giant Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT.N) and eBay, meanwhile, are valued at 14 and 16 times forward-looking estimated earnings, respectively.

"Over time we would expect Amazon's multiple to contract as its growth rate decelerates, although its material margin expansion opportunity and likely positive Street estimates revisions will arguably make that contraction gradual and modest," Citigroup analyst Mark Mahaney wrote in a note.

Amazon shares tumbled to $65.80 in after-hours trade from a close of $74.21 on Nasdaq.

(Editing by Braden Reddall)

laurenmarie
30 Jan 2008, 08:29 PM
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

noonan
30 Jan 2008, 08:39 PM
Margin and gross profit are two different things. It sounds like margins were down but gross profit was up due to more sales overseas.

markalot
30 Jan 2008, 08:45 PM
Right, but look at the timing. One just before close and the other post close. You think someone might have sold. Actually the article was posted after close, no idea when the call started, so maybe I'm off the deep end here.

noonan
30 Jan 2008, 09:11 PM
It closed at 74 and then somebody made the after hours trade at 65. Not sure why the first article didn't mention margin. Anyway, when you're trading at amazon's multiple there better not be any nits to pick. Margin is kind of a big nit for a retailer,no?

markalot
30 Jan 2008, 09:15 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AMZN&t=1d

Look at the big rise just before the bell. A seemingly positive article that may have come out before closing spiked the price, then the real news came out and it tanked.

That's my grand and probably baseless conspiracy theory anyway.

noonan
30 Jan 2008, 10:02 PM
I geuss it could be. Or perhaps the second article came out to explain the dip. I kinda wonder too whether or not that last $65 trade was for, like, 50 shares or some such nonsense.

classicgrrl
31 Jan 2008, 12:03 AM
perhaps it would be best if people who trade stocks did NOT know how to read...

damn market is more goofy than OH weather...