What would YOU do?

[Duemellon]

Last Updated: Thursday, 18 October 2007, 16:35 GMT 17:35 UK
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The coach, Claire Lyte

Tennis coach guilty of sex abuse (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7051274.stm)

A top tennis coach has been found guilty of sexually abusing a Merseyside schoolgirl she taught.
The jury at Liverpool Crown Court convicted Claire Lyte, 29, of four counts of sexual activity with a child.

The court heard the 13-year-old girl's mother caught her daughter and the coach naked and in bed together in October 2005.

The judge warned Lyte, of Solihull, West Midlands, that she faced an "inevitable" custodial sentence.

Lyte will not face a retrial for a fifth count of sexual activity with a child, on which the jury could not reach a decision.
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The jury, who found her guilty by a 10-2 majority on four of the five charges she faced, had been shown intimate text messages exchanged between the pair mentioning love and sexual references.

Lyte, who will be made to sign the Sex Offenders' Register, was bailed and will be sentenced on 2 November.

Outside court she broke down in tears, and was comforted by her parents.

(sorry for the repost, but there was information missing in the 1st one)

[Lidja]

What were they doing in the girls house? Begging to get caught?

[Predot listener]

Due, that new information, in addition to whatever else is included besides the cleavage shot of the guilty party, doesn't address the question of what are we supposed to be answering.

[silentpaul]

Rush to judgement.

Either that or suggest she invest in upper body under garments.

[the happy prole]

I'd find her guilty, probably send her to jail for a decent stretch-- I'm thinking 2-4 years. Have her under some sort of supervised program for probably the rest of her life.

[the_birds]

I'd respectfully have to ask her...

If I put on a wig and shaved my goatee, would you please abuse me?

[mike]

When in doubt, kick

-M. Lewis

[silentpaul]

What would you have us do, Due? Rehash threads that have already been beaten to death? We are not judge, jury or executioner. We're just a bunch of uninvolved individuals who are free to express our opinions in a public forum.

[Duemellon]

What would you have us do, Due? Rehash threads that have already been beaten to death? We are not judge, jury or executioner. We're just a bunch of uninvolved individuals who are free to express our opinions in a public forum.Well I'm asking your opinions. It's pretty open actually.

We've had a boy/woman (teacher), a man/girl (coach who married), or a man & a boy (Michael Jackson). There are other things that

[Zane]

I would only have same sex relations with my best friend.

[dannyboy]

I'm just kinda curious if the general opinion is whether or not it causes the same level of harm to the victim as in other cases.

[markalot]

13 year old girl?

Based on age alone she should be locked up. Getting into that sticky age area though, but I think if it was a 13 year old boy I would feel the same way. 15 years old, now that would be a little different.

Some questions to ask would be:

Was the girl sexually mature?

Was she emotionally mature (old enough to know her own sexuality, did she make the choice or was she manipulated, etc).

Now Due is looking for something, so no matter what my answer I'm sure he'll find fault. :)

[drougan]

I'm just kinda curious if the general opinion is whether or not it causes the same level of harm to the victim as in other cases.

And I should think that the answer to that would be yeah, a 13 year old fooling around with an adult has the same potential psychological injury to the minor regardless of the gender.

[upwithpeople]

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[miami2112]

the punishment should be similiar for any sexual misconduct.

[markalot]

OMAHA, Neb. -- A Lexington police investigator said the car owned by a female schoolteacher who authorities suspect is on the run with a 13-year-old boy has crossed the California border into Mexico.

Lexington police said earlier this week that they are looking for Kelsey Peterson and a male student at Lexington Middle School.

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http://www.ketv.com/news/14495238/detail.html

[drougan]

From
http://www.ketv.com/news/14495238/detail.html

In letters, the boy called Peterson his "Baby Gurl," and said their relationship was "just not about the sex but that it was pretty good," according to court documents.

Wow.....there are no words.

[Zane]

Wouldn't any 13 year old boy who is fucking an older woman say just about anything??? uh, yeahhhhh.....

[Homsar]

How can we say anything right now other than it was obviously wrong? We don't know anything about the girl or the tennis coach. 13 years old and possibly already messed up for life. Great.

[clonE]

One of the responsibilities of adulthood is the exercise of patience. The coach, if truly in love, should have had the patience to wait until the 13yr old came of legal age. Clearly she couldn't wait, and as markalot said, 13 is pretty young for becoming sexually active, especially with someone twice your age. Some sort of punishment is certainly in order, although if their system is like ours, if the criminal survives she'll come out worse than when she went in.

Also, if you don't have the patience to wait, be smart and don't get caught!

[classicgrrl]

I'd have found her guilty.

sorry but 13 is still a kid. in fact, for the majority of the population, anything below 21 is too young to be having sex.

I'm serious.

If we taught masterbation in school and everybody waited until they were 21 to actually have sex...we have FAR LESS sexual dysfunction than we do right now.

especially for women.

meh. people are stupid.

[wileE]

I'd have found her guilty.

sorry but 13 is still a kid. in fact, for the majority of the population, anything below 21 is too young to be having sex.

I'm serious.

If we taught masterbation in school and everybody waited until they were 21 to actually have sex...we have FAR LESS sexual dysfunction than we do right now.

especially for women.

meh. people are stupid.
Masturbation isn't the answer to everything, Classic.

[Zane]

Masturbation isn't the answer to everything, Classic.

Maybe not, but it sure is fun.

[Lidja]

FYI, 13 year olds are up to a lot of no good that you don't want to admit to.

[drougan]

FYI, 13 year olds are up to a lot of no good that you don't want to admit to.

Sure they are, but when it involves a 29 year old, we got's problems, and they ain't with the 13 year olds.

[classicgrrl]

Masturbation isn't the answer to everything, Classic.


prove it.

:p

[Duemellon]

Now Due is looking for something, so no matter what my answer I'm sure he'll find fault. :)I remember a thread, which appears to be gone, where a young teacher had sex with a 14-year old boy. When a pic of the teach was shown there was a string of people saying "I'd hit it", & "lucky" & stuff like that.

Of course, I started this thread so everyone's "Spider sense" is tingling. Instead of just answering how they would've before everyone seems to be taking a "high road". I wanted someone else to start this thread to really see your reactions.

Of course the switch to this one is that it's a woman & a girl. The other was a teach & boy. I figured people would be more hesitant to say "WTG 13-year old girl!" but a boy?

Oh well. I wanted to see. But now that I've said this the conversation will be skewed. Heck, since I posted it, it would be skewed anyway. I just wanted to find out what ppl's 1st reaction to this was.

[silentpaul]

As you alluded to, was our reaction to this or to you?

[Lidja]

Has anyone ever seen the movie Thirteen? I mean, come on, the girl WROTE it and lived it! Thirteen year old girls can be total skanks! I think she may have been vulnerable with her sexuality, because I'm sure not too many 13 year olds are coming out of the closet just yet, but if they were exchanging texts and junk, I can't entirely feel "sorry" for the girl. Her hormones are probably out of control, anyway. Not to say that the coach was right by her actions, but I'm not going to call this girl a victim.

[Duemellon]

As you alluded to, was our reaction to this or to you?Who has to answer that question? me or you (plural)? or both? And I didn't "allude" to it, I pretty explicitly state it

[Frost]

Burn her in hell. :confused:

[the-dude]

Sounds like chris hanson from dateline needs to try tackling this.

[Duemellon]

I will say, according to the way our society reacts, if it was a 13-year-old boy & this tennis coach it would:Firstmost be less likely to be reported

Would garnish praise from his peers & from "most guys" & some derision as well as talks of jealousy

Because it would be viewed as a status-change there's a chance it doesn't "hurt" when it's brought upNow, speaking from a completely reasonable & socially-dissassociated way, I'd expect him to have learned a horrible lesson in life. His association with intimacy, trust, authority, & other things will have been compromised. I would fully expect him to create incorrect associations with sex. HOWEVER, considering society's take, I would fully expect his symptoms & manifestations of these problems to be considered disassociated with that experience by the public-at-large or those problems to be downplayed.

However,
Because this was a girl, she will not be praised. Any social adjustment problems or mistakes will be immediately linked to this incident by anyone in her life that is aware of it. She will not be praised for her participation. Every time someone mentions it to her they'll either dismiss the incident or go out of their way to condemn it. Add on the stigma of it being a homosexual encounter & society's reaction is sure to be more extreme & piteous towards her.

Essentially she should have the same problems as if she was a 13-year-old boy regarding authority, sexuality, etc. But she'll have more,... or he'll have less,... or something in there.

There's just a huge unnecessary disparity between that.

[akip]

13 is VERY young, emotionally, developmentally. if i look at my kid's friends who are a year older, who are in such an unformed (and uninformed) sexual state, there is no way i think any adult should be fucking with them in that way. the fact that it's someone who the kid looks up to and should be able to trust, just makes it more loaded.

throw her in jail, i dunno---maybe 5 years? and hope her record gets checked if she tries to apply for any position that would bring her into contact with underage people after that.

edited to add: in a different age, people didn't have a childhood---started working as soon as they could haul a bucket, had kids at 13. their life expectancy was probably about 35-40 (if they didn't die of childbirth or battle long before then). people also were not living independently of a closely knit clan.

now you're probably gonna last 80 years, you're gonna have to deal with the realities of relative autonomy---meaning you have to be emotionally whole in order to fulfill your responsibilities. having your psyche massively fucked with at 13 is not going to help.

[classicgrrl]

13, 14, 15, 16, 17 year olds truthfully are not emotionall capable of handling real love.

they are not. they may grow to do so through a relationship but in and of itself they are not.

but then most adults are not capable of handling real love either so I have fucking clue what my point is. :rolleyes:

carry on.