A Reason to Vote For Hillary

[seafoamgreen]

she curses like a drunken sailor.

From Wonkette.com (http://wonkette.com/politics/monday-morning-profanity/breaking-sen-hillary-clinton-has-temper-hate-313300.php)

I'm not putting the text in this post.

[Hogarth]

Jeez, she sounds like Richard Nixon.

[seafoamgreen]

I know. She's just become infinitely more endearing to me.

I just read it again. I can't stop laughing.

[Sushi]

“You stupid fucking moron. How could you risk your presidency for this?"
-to Bill when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in January 1998 (Newsmax.com, 12/09/01).

That's a hell of a lot nicer than anything I would have said to my husband in that situation. And it would have been accompanied a couple of bitch slaps and kidney punches.

I'm starting to like Hillary more because of this. If the intention was to make her look bad, it's backfired. It makes her seem more human and less polished.

[the_birds]

“You stupid fucking moron. How could you risk your presidency for this?"
-to Bill when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in January 1998 (Newsmax.com, 12/09/01).

Nice quote, but never source Newsmax.com. Its not "news" per se, as much as its opinion and outright fabrication.

[seafoamgreen]

Nice quote, but never source Newsmax.com. Its not "news" per se, as much as its opinion and outright fabrication.

yeah, wonkette isn't much better, but they have the virtue of being really funny. gossip is way better than substance anyway. :D

[purdueman_in]

Back in 1992, there was a 60 Minutes interview with the Clintons. During the interview, a light used by the camera crew fell. Here is the transcript:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON: She was terrified. You know, an average person is not -- Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Oh!

BILL CLINTON: Are you OK?

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON: Yes, I think.

HEWITT: You all right?

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON: Yes. Yes.

<snip>

Don Hewitt said that Hillary must not cuss, because ANYONE would have cussed when that light came down. (It almost hit them).

[DaHood]

Anybody but another Republican. That's a good reason to vote for Hillary. But I'd prefer a Libertarian.

[Hellburger]

“Gentlemen, I have looked at your proposal, and it’s pure bullshit! Now you’ve had your meeting! Get out!” -First Lady to health insurance executives after a meeting in which they presented their proposal for health care reform (Unlimited Access, p. 88).

You tell 'em!

Cursing at State Troopers and Secret Service people isn't so amusing, however.

It gets better:
“Come on, Bill, put your dick up. You can’t fuck her here.”-to husband, then Governor, after catching him talking to an attractive woman at a political rally (Inside the White House, p. 243). LOL

[joebob]

Back in 1992, there was a 60 Minutes interview with the Clintons. During the interview, a light used by the camera crew fell.

Don Hewitt said that Hillary must not cuss, because ANYONE would have cussed when that light came down. (It almost hit them).
She obviously learned to do so after entering DC.

[BigSugar]

She obviously learned to do so after entering DC.

nahh.....sociopaths are very good at disguising their sociopathic tendencies, esp. when camera's are rolling. :)

[monkey neck]

“You stupid fucking moron. How could you risk MY presidency for this?"
-to Bill when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in January 1998 (Newsmax.com, 12/09/01).


Fixed that for her.

[noonan]

I admire the classic simplicity of her nicknames for Bill .

[weeone]

Fucking potty mouth whore.

[Stoock]

I'm hotter for her now more than ever.

[Homsar]

Arranged marriage??

[The Ugly Thief]

I don't mean to derail this thread, but I have a question that I didn't think warranted a whole new thread :

Can Bill Clinton be appointed the Secretary of State ? I'm pretty sure he can, but I'm not 100% positive.

I was having this discussion w/ several friends the other day.

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[Sushi]

I don't mean to derail this thread, but I have a question that I didn't think warranted a whole new thread :

Can Bill Clinton be appointed the Secretary of State ? I'm pretty sure he can, but I'm not 100% positive.

I was having this discussion w/ several friends the other day.

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I honestly don't see why he couldn't. I'll have to go back and check the Constitution, but I don't remember ever seeing such a restriction on former presidents.

He would be a kick-ass Secretary of State.

[The Ugly Thief]

He would be a kick-ass Secretary of State.
I totally agree !

His greatest strength has always been in diplomacy....and to tell you the truth, if she said that she would appoint him as Sec of State if elected President she would gain my vote.

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[dannyboy]

I think this shows some passive-aggressive tendencies. Not healthy.

[mike]

I'll vote for anyone who can piss off the Limbaugh-Hannity-Dobson-Big Sug wing of the GOP.

[noonan]

No she can't. Maybe she should divorce him? Then she won't have to live with him in the White House. Win Win!

From U.S. Code Title 5:

Section 3110. Employment of relatives; restrictions

(a) For the purpose of this section -
(1) agency means -
(A) an Executive agency;
(B) an office, agency, or other establishment in the
legislative branch;
(C) an office, agency, or other establishment in the judicial
branch; and
(D) the government of the District of Columbia;

(2) "public official" means an officer (including the President
and a Member of Congress), a member of the uniformed service, an
employee and any other individual, in whom is vested the
authority by law, rule, or regulation, or to whom the authority
has been delegated, to appoint, employ, promote, or advance
individuals, or to recommend individuals for appointment,
employment, promotion, or advancement in connection with
employment in an agency; and
(3) "relative" means, with respect to a public official, an
individual who is related to the public official as father,
mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first
cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, father-in-law,
mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law,
sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter,
stepbrother, stepsister, half brother, or half sister.

(b) A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance,
or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement,
in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving
or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual
who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be
appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian
position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion,
or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in
or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a
relative of the individual.
(c) An individual appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in
violation of this section is not entitled to pay, and money may not
be paid from the Treasury as pay to an individual so appointed,
employed, promoted, or advanced.
(d) The Office of Personnel Management may prescribe regulations
authorizing the temporary employment, in the event of emergencies
resulting from natural disasters or similar unforeseen events or
circumstances, of individuals whose employment would otherwise be
prohibited by this section.
(e) This section shall not be construed to prohibit the
appointment of an individual who is a preference eligible in any
case in which the passing over of that individual on a certificate
of eligibles furnished under section 3317(a) of this title will
result in the selection for appointment of an individual who is not
a preference eligible.

[The Ugly Thief]

No she can't.

From U.S. Code Title 5:
so how was JFK able to appoint RFK as Attorney General ?

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[noonan]

so how was JFK able to appoint RFK as Attorney General ?

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Sec. 3110 was adopted into law in 1967, purportedly in response to that very appointment.

[The Ugly Thief]

Sec. 3110 was adopted into law in 1967, purportedly in response to that very appointment.
ah - thanks

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[noonan]

Although... the way I read part 3c suggests that she could appoint him if he'd agree to work for free.

[Hogarth]

Would this cover a post like National Security Advisor of Chief of Staff, since these are both direct employees of the president, and not subject to review by Congress or agencies, per se?

[noonan]

The language "jurisdiction and control" seems to cover those too. Not sure how good of a fit Bill would be in the NSA though.

[The Ugly Thief]

Although... the way I read part 3c suggests that she could appoint him if he'd agree to work for free.
hmmm....that is a weird section isn't it ? You're right - the wording of it does seem to be retracting on the main statement 3.

very interesting

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[purdueman_in]

It depends on what your definition of "free" is... :D

[silentpaul]

I'll vote for anyone who can piss off the Limbaugh-Hannity-Dobson-Big Sug wing of the GOP.
Aw, snap!....

[noonan]

It depends on what your definition of "free" is... :D

Ha.

Free as in not paid with tax dollars.

[Buzzstein]

Not a good place to get accurate information.

None of that changes my opinion. I still don't like her. I may hold my nose and vote for her anyway though if she gets the nomination. She would be less worse than any of the Republicans.

[The Ugly Thief]

Maybe she should divorce him? Then she won't have to live with him in the White House. Win Win!

i just noticed this part of your post just now - too funny ! :D

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[noonan]

Not a good place to get accurate information

Sorry, I didn't include a link.

Sec 3110 on findlaw (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/5/parts/iii/subparts/b/chapters/31/subchapters/i/sections/section_3110.html)

U.S. Code is hosted on a variety of law school sites too.

edit: oops, I geuss you may have been referring to wonkette!

[The Hegemo]

Wouldn't Bill be precluded from being SoS in any event because the SoS is fourth in line for the presidency, so if some misfortune were to befall Hillary + the VP, Speaker of the House and President Pro Tem of the Senate, Bill would become president? Which he's constitutionally ineligible for, having served two full terms.

[noonan]

This is also covered by the U.S.C. Anyone in line of succession must meet all constitutional requirements to assume even temporary Predidential responsibility (e.g., age, American by birth, etc.) otherwise they are skipped for the next in line.

[BigSugar]

I'll vote for anyone who can piss off the Big Sug-Limbaugh-Hannity-Dobson wing of the GOP.

fixed that for you. :) i will not take a back seat to Limbaugh and i've told him that umpteen times at the VRWC meetings....i don't care how many Oxy's he offers me....

and for the record, by your own words, you would now have to vote for W since he's pissed me off for quite some time with his antics and his refusal to crush all resistance....do you feel dirty?

[mike]

fixed that for you. :) i will not take a back seat to Limbaugh and i've told him that umpteen times at the VRWC meetings....i don't care how many Oxy's he offers me....

Good on you, Sug :)

and for the record, by your own words, you would now have to vote for W since he's pissed me off for quite some time with his antics and his refusal to crush all resistance....do you feel dirty?

Somehow, I have a feeling I'd still have a number of candidates to choose from. Oh, and lather up with Boraxo (http://www.boraxo.com/)!

[BigSugar]

Somehow, I have a feeling I'd still have a number of candidates to choose from.


sure......if you want to take the easy way out like a little tiny spineless girly girl..... ;) Hillary's too easy....i wouldn't let that twat spit shine my shoes for fear that her acidic bile would eat through the fine corinthian leather of my hand made shoes*! what an overall horrible human being.....W may be stupid and easily led, but Hillary is intentionally evil and doesn't care who knows it. so go ahead....take the easy way out. chicken. :D

(*handmade shoes made by highest quality child labor in impoverished third world countries)

[silentpaul]

W may be stupid and easily led, but he's also intentionally evil and doesn't care who knows it...
FTFY ;) :p

[mike]

sure......if you want to take the easy way out like a little tiny spineless girly girl..... ;) Hillary's too easy....i wouldn't let that twat spit shine my shoes for fear that her acidic bile would eat through the fine corinthian leather of my hand made shoes*! what an overall horrible human being.....W may be stupid and easily led, but Hillary is intentionally evil and doesn't care who knows it. so go ahead....take the easy way out. chicken. :D

(*handmade shoes made by highest quality child labor in impoverished third world countries)

You right wingnuts KNOW Hillary's more of a man than most of the GOP candidates, and that's what you're scared to admit.

Sure, you'll tut-tut the whole way to the election about it, all the while in denial about how Mommy's gonna come spank your white ass.

Mind you, Obama's my guy, but I'd vote for Hillary over any Republican.

W will go down as the worst president in history. That'll be a given.

[the_birds]

You right wingnuts KNOW Hillary's more of a man than most of the GOP candidates, and that's what you're scared to admit.

She's got a bigger package too :p

Big Apologist and his likeminded lemmings are idiots whose domestic coalition of the hypocrites is self destructing, because uniting, based on the collective sacrificing of morals or common sense (or both) might have been possible, if the person they aligned behind knew something of what was sacrificed for him.

[monkey neck]

Big Apologist and his likeminded lemmings are idiots whose domestic coalition of the hypocrites is self destructing, because uniting, based on the collective sacrificing of morals or common sense (or both) might have been possible, if the person they aligned behind knew something of what was sacrificed for him.

Classy. clASSy.

[The Ugly Thief]

W will go down as the worst president in history. That'll be a given.
most definitely

without a doubt

we haven't even begun to see just how damaging this administration has been to the US. We won't truly see the full extent of damage for another 5-10 years when the aftermath of this ridiculous war starts to truly kick in throughout Iraq and the rest of the Middle East.....and we haven't even begun to see just how corrupt this administration was. That will all start to show up more clearly after his term ends.

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[dry-gulcher]

Based on my limited research W has smaller testes than hillary. Cheaney tells him what to do except that "no child left untested" crap (That bloated Kennedy ordered up one).
That having been said hillary is still the most evil one -even exceeding Nancy Zimpher and therefor un-electable.

Perhaps that Ron Paul dude??? His supporters keep calling up the Hannity-Limbaugh shows and pissing them off.
They cut those ppl off ASAP and refuse to debate them... curious...

[Hogarth]

That having been said hillary is still the most evil one -even exceeding Nancy Zimpher and therefor un-electable.



Aren't we the Great Satan anyway? Therefore, there's no point in voting for a lesser evil.

[Hogarth]

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
5 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Memo to the Democratic presidential candidates: You can still beat Hillary Rodham Clinton, but you better act fast.

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The former first lady looks more likely to win the nomination every day, showing strength in polling, fundraising and setting the campaign agenda.

She's so strong, in fact, that the race has become about her. And Democratic operatives from presidential campaigns past and present say the only way for any other candidate to win the nomination is to make an even stronger case against her.

"If this were a wedding, we'd be at the 'speak now or forever hold your peace' part," said Steve McMahon, who advised Howard Dean in 2004. "If you're a candidate hoping to get past her, the time for nuance and veiled references has passed."

There is always the chance that Clinton could make an error in the next couple of months that would hurt her chances. Some argue that her vote against Iran at a time when anti-war Democrats are concerned about war there has the potential to damage her standing.

But Democratic insiders, including some working on various 2008 campaigns who spoke on condition of anonymity, agree that barring a major stumble, Clinton is all but sure to win the nomination if she wins the opening contest in Iowa. She is polling well in the states that follow, and no one else would be able to challenge her unless an Iowa loss made her look vulnerable.

"If Hillary wins Iowa, she can practically start shopping for a running mate," said California-based Democratic strategist Dan Newman.

But that's a big if. Clinton has called Iowa her "hardest state," and it's the best — some say only — chance her opponents have to get past her.

"At this point the trailing candidates need to not only catch a huge wave, they also need one to crash on top of Hillary," Newman said. "They need to upend the conventional wisdom that is gelling among donors and others that she can't be stopped, and they need to prove it in Iowa."

The most recent polls in the state show a close race among Clinton and fellow Sens. John Edwards and Barack Obama.

Edwards has been making a more vigorous case recently against Clinton's ability to win a general election. He's also led criticisms of her that have been picked up by other candidates — that she's too connected to lobbyists and that her vote to declare the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization could be a repeat of her mistake in voting for the Iraq war.

Those criticisms haven't hurt her yet, but they could as more people begin to pay closer attention in the closing days of the race. Some advise that the Clinton campaign should consider fighting back against Edwards or anyone else who takes her on so directly.

"While Edwards is attacking her as being unelectable, the GOP is also saying she is polarizing and out of the mainstream," said Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore's campaign in 2000. "Time to deck them or push back."

Joe Biden and Chris Dodd have been more aggressively criticizing her on foreign policy. Obama says there needs to be a change away from Washington insiders while generally avoiding mention of her name.

And at a time when Obama needs to be winning voters away from Clinton, instead he's been playing defense. Just this week he's been under fire from gay activists who objected to a participant in his gospel concert series, and his campaign agreed to return some donations after The Washington Post reported that they came from children.

Most of those interviewed say Obama needs to get tougher on Clinton.

"I don't buy this `Politics of Hope' means you can't engage the next candidate," said strategist Jamal Simmons. "People want to be hopeful, but people want to know you are tough enough to win and you are tough enough to lead the country."

In comparison to Obama, Simmons said, "people are very clear what John Edwards is running for. He's there fighting for the working man and woman, and he's taking his shots. Even at some times he may seem to the outside world to be too strident and hitting it too hard. But he's hitting, and people respect that."

But some inside the Clinton and Obama camps think it would be a mistake for Obama to go on the attack in a multi-candidate race. They ask: Why not sit back and let Edwards and others try to take her down, while he tries to rise above?

"I think with name ID as high as Senator Clinton's, there is little new information about her that would change voter's minds," said Erik Smith, who worked for Dick Gephardt in 2004. "A candidate can move late in Iowa if making a strong case for themselves as the best candidate to win the general."

That happened in the last Iowa presidential primary. In 2004, Dean was the front-runner, and Gephardt went after him hard. Dean and Gephardt fell into third and fourth place respectively in the caucus, behind John Kerry and Edwards.

"Her opponents will have opportunities to slow her down, but the risks of doing what that will take come at a considerable risk," said Democratic consultant Michael Feldman, who works for Gore. He is not aligned with any campaign this election cycle, but has donated to Clinton. "Take Senator Obama, for example. It's hard to slash and burn when you have said that you want to move beyond negative campaigning. He runs a serious risk of undermining his brand."

And there's no indication it would work since she's done well with what's come at her so far. "There is no doubt that she will be tested, but she is running the kind of campaign that indicates her ability to roll through those inevitable challenges," Feldman said.

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[Hogarth]

by Geoffrey Cowan
1 hour, 41 minutes ago



While spending a sabbatical year at Harvard, conducting research for a book on Theodore Roosevelt and his times, I have been reading with both interest and amusement the columns and speeches attacking Hillary Clinton for the enemies she has generated during her career and for her supposed inability, therefore, to bring the country together for high purposes.

One wonders, reading such pronouncements, which great presidents the authors have in mind. Are they thinking of Jefferson, who was hated and denounced so fiercely for his radical views; or of Lincoln; or of Theodore Roosevelt; or of Franklin Roosevelt; or of Truman; or of JFK; or of Ronald Reagan? One might, rather, argue, that a common theme of these presidents and other great leaders was that they had so many enemies, so many outspoken foes, often legions of them long before they were nominated or elected; and if polls were available, perhaps opponents numbering close to half the country at the time. Yet all were able to mobilize the country for important goals, to bring troops to their own side, and to vanquish some important foes.

To many people, today's debate seems unhealthy because it is so intense and even vicious and partisan. While it would be nice to live in calmer, more congenial times, partisanship and debate are the hallmark of our democracy. There were times when the nation explored non-partisanship, but the concept was discarded at the national level, partly because it tended to favor certain inside groups, certain entrenched interests. One can call for honest debate; one can hope that leaders, once elected, will avoid partisan uses of the government and attendant mismanagement of public assets; and one can hope that leaders will reach across the partisan divide for allies and appointees and that they will make decisions based on what they deem the nation's interest and not on hopes for partisan gain. But those who read biographies or histories that bring to life the worlds of Jefferson, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, or Ronald Reagan may well wonder just which great leaders came to office -- or remained there -- without a huge number of bitter and, sadly, even hate-filled detractors.

While there are polarizing figures who should never be allowed to reach high office (David Duke comes to mind, for example), the Democratic Party should not shy away from leaders whom the right-wing loves to hate. For one can be certain that whoever becomes the party's nominee will quickly find that s/he, like Al Gore and John Kerry, has become a figure of derision and demonization. Hillary Clinton simply has a head start.

from Huffingtonpost.com

[Docta]

by Geoffrey Cowan
1 hour, 41 minutes ago


well i can tell ya, it's certainly more than simply the fact that the right can't stand hillary

why is it no one talks about the number of democrats who cannot support this candidate.

[dry-gulcher]

sure......if you want to take the easy way out like a little tiny spineless girly girl..... ;) Hillary's too easy....i wouldn't let that twat spit shine my shoes for fear that her acidic bile would eat through the fine corinthian leather of my hand made shoes*! what an overall horrible human being.....W may be stupid and easily led, but Hillary is intentionally evil and doesn't care who knows it. so go ahead....take the easy way out. chicken. :D

(*handmade shoes made by highest quality child labor in impoverished third world countries)
Dammit Sug! You had to remind me, I left my hand made child labor shoes out on the front deck last night and those damn voles chewed the lacings off of them.
Get the bullwhip out I need another pair. ;)