2008 Candidate Selector

[Slar]

Compliments of Minnesota Public Radio...

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/ongoing/select_a_candidate/poll.php?race_id=13

They put Chris Dodd at the top of my list.

[Homsar]

After viewing that, one thing is clear: I do not know nearly enough about any of the issues to even find out what candidate I would be best suited supporting.

[Docta]

dodd here too. but the problem with a pole like this is that it removes leadership qualities from the equation how how they go about getting things done.

[Sushi]

I got Kucinich (not surprising), then Dodd, then a tie between Edwards and Clinton.

[Docta]

wild to me that ron paul is against the death penalty

[Docta]

dodd
kucinich
clinton/edwards - tie
obama

and with 0 points for me:
tancredo
hunter
thompson

[jcarwash31]

I had a tie between Clinton, Dodd, Kucinich, and Edwards. I didn't answer the education question because a couple were close to how I feel, but nothing close enough. And I didn't completely like all of the Iraq answers.

[Orville Wrong]

I always get Giuliani, whom I won't vote for because of the whole "he's fucking nuts" thing.

He hell of hates him some ferrets, which is defensible, but whoa:

http://www.oliverwillis.com/files/rudy_ferret.mp3

[silentpaul]

I always get Giuliani, whom I won't vote for because of the whole "he's fucking nuts" thing.

He hell of hates him some ferrets, which is defensible, but whoa:

http://www.oliverwillis.com/files/rudy_ferret.mp3
lol

Weirdest thing, I clicked on the link and my browser closed...

[May Kil June]

My top three were Rudy, Barack, Edwards. Hmm.

[jneale]

Hillary
Biden
Dodd - I know nothing about this guy

[knubbin]

I got Bill Richardson, who I've never even heard of. :confused: I have a lot of research to do yet.

[purdueman_in]

I'm Hillary, Dodd, Edwards.

I took a different, yet similar, test at another site and came up Dodd, Kucinich, then tie with Hillary, Barack, and Edwards.

What is consistent between the two is that ALL of the Democrats are always ahead of the Republicans. My highest ranked Republican is Rudy. Most of the Republicans are < 5 points for me.

Tancredo, Thompson, and Hunter are obviously whack-jobs. That, too, is apparent, but it didn't take a test to figure that out!

[silentpaul]

I'm Hillary Dodd Edwards.
Pleased to meet you. :p

[REMgirl]

Edwards then Kucinich. I was surprised, because I'm usually most aligned with Kucinich first. Maybe the education choices had something to do with it. I wish Kucinich had a prayer of winning.

[jneale]

I got Bill Richardson, who I've never even heard of. :confused: I have a lot of research to do yet.


I loved him & think he is the most qualified - but every time he opened his mouth his feet fell out. He doesn't stand a chance. I hope Hil makes him her VP, but I doubt that would happen.

[Hellburger]

Richardson, Obama, Kucinich & Sons. Ltd.

On the flip side, the least compatible three:Thompson, Tancredo & Huckabee in last place.

[Hogarth]

I wish Kucinich had a prayer of winning.

You don't know this guy's record very well, do you? When he was mayor of Cleveland, he nearly ran the city into the ground. The voters responded by electing George Voinovich, and gave the GOP legitimacy in NE Ohio, which they then used to sieze control of the state. This guy would, IMO, be a Democratic Bush, or another Jimmy Carter, in that he would wreck the party nationally for some time.

[AvatarOfVishnu]

i was suprised to see Chris Dodd at the top of my list too, but just by 1 point...all of the Dems were bunched really tightly together (all but Gravel were just 3 pts apart)

Ron Paul was the highest Republican on my list, followed by Guiliani. All the other GOPers were a 3 or less w/ Tom Tancredo getting a perfect score of ZERO! :p

[Hellburger]

You don't know this guy's record very well, do you? When he was mayor of Cleveland, he nearly ran the city into the ground. The voters responded by electing George Voinovich, and gave the GOP legitimacy in NE Ohio, which they then used to sieze control of the state. This guy would, IMO, be a Democratic Bush, or another Jimmy Carter, in that he would wreck the party nationally for some time.

Does this sound fair and/or correct?

"In 1977, Kucinich was elected Mayor of Cleveland and served in that position until 1979.[8] At 31, he was the youngest mayor of a major city in the United States.[2] Kucinich's tenure as mayor is often regarded as one of the most tumultuous in Cleveland's history.[9][10] After Kucinich refused to sell Muny Light, Cleveland's publicly-owned electric utility, the Cleveland mafia put a hit on Kucinich. A hitman from Maryland planned to shoot him in the head during the Columbus Day Parade, but the plot fell apart when Kucinich got sick and missed the event. When the city fell into default shortly thereafter, the mafia leaders called off the contract killer.[11] Kucinich is the only former Mayor of Cleveland without a portrait hanging in Cleveland's City Hall.[citation needed]Melvin G. Holli, in consultation with a panel of experts, placed Kucinich among the ten worst big-city mayors of all time for reasons of temperament and performance in the book, Best and Worst of the Big-City Leaders 1820–1993 while Kucinich's supporters say that Kucinich kept his campaign promise of refusing to sell Muni Light to CEI and was brave for not giving in to big business. Specifically, it was the Cleveland Trust Company that required all of the city's debts be paid in full, which forced the city into default, after news of Kucinich's refusal to sell the city utility. For years these debts were routinely rolled over, pending future payment, until Kucinich's announcement was made public. In 1998 the council honored him for having the "courage and foresight" to stand up to the banks and saving the city an estimated $195 million between 1985 and 1995.[12]"

[Hogarth]

Yeah, about right.

Not selling Muni Power was a correct decision, but it was the way he went about things that alienated alot of people. It was a long time before he got back into politics, so he may have softened a little. Still, not the kind of temperment for these "tumultuous times".

edit: Hey I just hit 200 posts. Who-Hoo!

[Sushi]

Yeah, about right.

Not selling Muni Power was a correct decision, but it was the way he went about things that alienated alot of people. It was a long time before he got back into politics, so he may have softened a little. Still, not the kind of temperment for these "tumultuous times".

edit: Hey I just hit 200 posts. Who-Hoo!
But not selling Muni Light is why the city went into default, and that is generally why he's regarded as a horrible mayor. And the wikipedia article doesn't mention that some of the Cleveland Trust board members were also on the board of CEI and thus stood to benefit from the sale of Muny Light.

Kucinich has balls of steel. I think he alienated people because he wasn't afraid to stick to his principles. That's kind of different for politicians, you know? He's a little whiggy and new agey and pretty much unelectable on the national stage, but he has integrity.

Congratulations on 200 posts.

[Hellburger]

Kucinich has balls of steel.

That may explain his attractiveness to his much-younger wife.

[Sushi]

That may explain his attractiveness to his much-younger wife.
They do make a rather shocking couple, don't they?

For those who haven't seen the happy couple, let's just say that Fred Thompson doesn't have the hottest wife among the candidates.
http://www.offrampbums.com/kucinich.jpg

[seafoamgreen]

I'm in dodd country and i have to say i'm a bit freaked out about it.

[Hogarth]

Specifically, it was the Cleveland Trust Company that required all of the city's debts be paid in full, which forced the city into default, after news of Kucinich's refusal to sell the city utility. For years these debts were routinely rolled over, pending future payment, until Kucinich's announcement was made public. [/B][/I][12]"

The questions I have are:

1. Why was the city in so much debt?

2. WHy did the trust choose that particular time to call in the debt? Would that have something to do with Kucinich's personality?

[akip]

the dems are in a virtual dead heat for my vote, with biden and gravel trailing, rudi gets a 10, ron paul a 6, and the rest are flatline, with tancredo at zero.

[Blank Frank]

i was suprised to see Chris Dodd at the top of my list too, but just by 1 point...all of the Dems were bunched really tightly together (all but Gravel were just 3 pts apart)
I'm starting to think that this "Candidate Selector" is secretly funded by Dodd's camp, because he popped up as my #2 choice...after Kucinich? :confused:

[The Hegemo]

I got Richardson, and then a five-way tie between Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards, and Obama.

In real life I'm supporting Edwards, though.

[monkey neck]

I got Richardson, and then a five-way between Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards, and Obama.

This one's going straight to the "Taken out of context" thread. :p (I did fix it just a smidge)

[rcc94]

Add me to the Dodd crowd. A couple of points less are Edwards, Kucinich, and Richardson. At dead zero? Hunter and Thompson.

In the overall lead are Kucinich and Hunter. So it's not just Democrats taking the survey.

Interesting fact about Dodd. He's about halfway between my parents in age, yet his daughters are young enough to be my kids.

[tobedawg]

I matched with Kucinich on most issues.. Which seemed a bit odd since my views on many things have shifted toward the right over the past couple of years..

[silentpaul]

There needs to be one of these with Colbert in the mix.

[Sushi]

The questions I have are:

1. Why was the city in so much debt?

2. WHy did the trust choose that particular time to call in the debt? Would that have something to do with Kucinich's personality?
The city had (I believe) about $15 million in debt when he took office. A lot of cities and municipalities carry debt incurred in getting financing for major capital projects. That isn't unusual. Kucinich was elected on the promise that he would not sell Muni Light. Some of the board members of Cleveland Trust, which held most of the debt, were also on the board of CEI, which would have become a monopoly if it had acquired Muni Light. So the banks had a personal interest in getting Muni Light.

It turned into a game of chicken: sell Muni Light or we default on the city's loans. Kucinich didn't blink. That's given him an anti-business reputation. I think it gives him integrity. I can tell you that Kucinich has been more or less vindicated on this count within the city. Muni Light is now called Cleveland Public Power (CPP). When I lived in Cleveland, I switched from CEI to CPP and my electric bills went down. In November of '96 when we had a freak snowstorm that shut down power all over the place, I didn't have a problem. CPP is awesome. CEI sucks balls.

[Hogarth]

You're making me think. Stop that! My brain hurts!

[Slar]

You're making me think. Stop that! My brain hurts!You need to get over to Randomville! Hurry! Hurry!