Obama '08: Worst Foreign Policy Team Ever?

[Orville Wrong]

Face-to-face meeting with Iran?

Invade Pakistan?

Unilateral nuclear disarmament?

A perfect three out of three of the worst ideas presented by anyone not named Dennis Kucinich in a primary that is churning out bad ideas like a bad idea factory with an exclusive government contract to supply bad ideas utilizing the latest bad-idea production technologies, all with their CEO on the cover of Bad Idea Manufacturing Monthly wearing a hard hat with the company logo on it of a fork going in a socket or a light bulb with a skull and crossbones.

I have heard he is bright, but I've yet to see a scintilla of evidence. Did Illinois voters actually spurn Alan Keyes, not because he was fucking nuts, but because he wasn't crazy enough?

[jcarwash31]

I'm sorry, but it's going to take a whole hell of a lot to take that title away from the Bush team. And meeting with foreign leaders just isn't drastic enough.

[akip]

obama seems more inexperienced than crazy.

[rocketman70]

I think your beloved Pres. Bush has the monopoly on crazy. :rolleyes:


I have heard he is bright, but I've yet to see a scintilla of evidence. Did Illinois voters actually spurn Alan Keyes, not because he was fucking nuts, but because he wasn't crazy enough?

:rolleyes:


Obama is doing a lot of good for the State of Illinois right now. I'm voting for him in primaries, but expect Clinton to get the nomination. After a few more years of experience, maybe then.


Anyone is better than what is in there right now.

[rocketman70]

Lots of fatigue arounds CE/P these days.


Actually the best think Shiv and co. could do is to dump the CE/P forums from the boards. This place is worse than the copycat threads.

[Homsar]

This place is worse than the copycat threads.
Oh pish posh. Everything is.

[mike]

Actually the best think Shiv and co. could do is to dump the CE/P forums from the boards. This place is worse than the copycat threads.

Actually, I like that idea. I'll pose it to, er, the troops.

MST

[berzerker]

Actually, I like that idea. I'll pose it to, er, the troops.

MST

Or, start a copycat forum, where everyone can dump on Bush... deservedly.

[GoWest]

Actually the best think Shiv and co. could do is to dump the CE/P forums from the boards. This place is worse than the copycat threads.
I will never understand this type of thinking. If you are so repulsed by CEP, why to you even bother to pop in? I'm not a big art fan. Do you know what I do? I stay out of the Art forum. QED

[GoWest]

Actually, I like that idea. I'll pose it to, er, the troops.

MST
If you removed CEP, wouldn't some portion of those threads just end up in Randomville? At least with a designated forum, you can stay clear of it if you choose.

[rocketman70]

I will never understand this type of thinking. If you are so repulsed by CEP, why to you even bother to pop in? I'm not a big art fan. Do you know what I do? I stay out of the Art forum. QED

Because I don't think this forum has any place on here. But it's not my decision. That's up to Mike, Shiv and co.

My .02: It's a message board for fans of modern rock and woxy in particular. What does politics have to do with it? There are many other places to discuss that.

I came in here because of the incendiary title of the thread. If someone insults my senator, I'm calling them out!

CE/P leads to bad blood and rotten morale around here.

[akip]

Actually, I like that idea. I'll pose it to, er, the troops.

MST

only since you're asking, i wouldn't miss it. seems to be the domain of about six hardcore and, yeah, i agree, suntzu, quite redundant, whether it's bush-bashing OR insisting that a truly free market would solve the problems of decent people. ;) but it would be weird if something HUGE happened in the news and boarders really wanted to talk about it.

not sure why i popped in 'cause i generally steer clear. must resolve not to slip again. that's how i maintain my improved mood and board relations. :) :p

[ThomasC]

If you removed CEP, wouldn't some portion of those threads just end up in Randomville?
Yeah, unless talk of politics is prohibited anywhere on the boards, it's just going to end up in Randomville.

[classicgrrl]

My .02: It's a message board for fans of modern rock and woxy in particular.

By this reasoning, everything in Interact, Assorted Media, Feedback, and Local goes.

No reason to have any of it accept Music Discussion.

a community has to have other places to discuss things...focusing on JUST Modern Rock is horrifically boring. And I've met some great people on CE/P such as MAL.

I vote it stays. And Mike, if you are reading this, please keep in mind although woxy.com may own the message boards the feeling and spirit of the law is they belong to the community. Unless you are in complete disagreement with this, put it to a vote...I bet a LARGE majority says it stays.

[rocketman70]

not sure why i popped in 'cause i generally steer clear. must resolve not to slip again. that's how i maintain my improved mood and board relations. :) :p

See I need to take a page from your book. And no I'm not doing yoga. ;)

Mike/Shiv/Joe you better not dump the CE/P forums, else I'll be blamed for infringing on people's oh so precious right to free speech. :p

[classicgrrl]

CE/P leads to bad blood and rotten morale around here.

the only place I really see you post is in Media and Music.

how do you know what goes on "around here"?
Not trying to be mean just kinda of playing devil's advocate....

I LOVE current events. even when it pisses me off. I would miss it terribly. :(

[rocketman70]

I vote it stays.

Don't worry. I'm sure it'll stay. I'll just go. That should make you happy, eh?

[classicgrrl]

Don't worry. I'm sure it'll stay. I'll just go. That should make you happy, eh?

I didn't say that sweetie. That is depression talking and I know because I've heard it in my own head before. My PM's are open and so is my email if you want to talk. You'll be stunned at how different I really am compared to what you might have been told. :)

[akip]

i disagree in that i do think the boards are here, first and foremost, for woxy.com the station, and second, for the boarders. otherwise we could boot out the mods, when, in fact, one day shiv and mike could just go, hey, shut the fuck up. :p

[classicgrrl]

Check it - we've got Music/CE-P crossover!!!

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/64235.jpg


oh good lord. this should be enough to convince Mike et al to allow the basement to maintain it's status.

it's like all the hoods come down here to secretly smoke bad cigs and drink mad dog... :D

[GoWest]

My .02: It's a message board for fans of modern rock and woxy in particular. What does politics have to do with it? There are many other places to discuss that.
That's true. But it's also true of TV and Film and Books and the goofy little things found on the internet (pretty much the entire Assorted Media and Interact forum sections).
I come in CEP quite a bit, but if it disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. IMO, it is WAY down on the list of things important about WOXY. However, there are two things that came to mind when I first read your post.
1) Some of these discussions will just spill over into other threads. At least with a CEP forum, one has the option to stay out.
2) To me, the post seemed similar to a cool thread discussing a band or album, (not that this thread should be confused with a cool thread), and someone pops in to say "They / that sucks".

[akip]

it's like all the hoods come down here to secretly smoke bad cigs and drink mad dog... :D

actually it often seems like all the old ladies who want to cluck about bad mothers and abortion and "oh, those terrible politicians lie, you know." :p

[Hogarth]

Sometimes, though, especially during elections, CE/P can be informative and entertaining.

Besides we should all pay attention to Politics, since the gvt. almost killed webcasting a few months ago.

[classicgrrl]

actually it often seems like all the old ladies who want to cluck about bad mothers and abortion and "oh, those terrible politicians lie, you know." :p

who in hell you callin' old woman? :mad:


oh wait, big sug.......well that's different..... :p :D

if CE/P didn't exist, I wouldn't have gotten my sig!

[markalot]

Someone insults Obama and discussion about the end of CE/P starts. Classic.

[classicgrrl]

Someone insults Obama and discussion about the end of CE/P starts. Classic.


:D



ROTFLMAO

:D :D :D :D

[jcarwash31]

Wow. It took 6 minutes to drop the "he's not as <insert complaint here> as Bush" defense.

Lots of fatigue arounds CE/P these days.
The thread title asked "Worst Foreign Policy Team Ever?" And I honestly can't understand how you could ask that given our current adminstration. I was just cutting to the chase. Yeah it is fatigue. If anyone tries to actually debate such a topic, it turns into a pissing contest and the thread is worthless by the tenth post.

Here goes: I don't think we should be invading anybody else right now, that includes Pakistan and Iran. So how do you deal with Iran? Well I guess that leaves diplomacy. We could start there. Nuclear disarmament is a nice idea, but it'll never work. That's it. Time to never open this thread again.

[ThomasC]

Someone insults Obama and discussion about the end of CE/P starts. Classic.
"...sensitive liberal people who are always yelling about everybody's freedom of speech and expression...unless you happen to say something that pisses them off! Then they can't wait to tie your ass to the back bumper of a Toyota hybrid and drag you to the Berkeley campus and drop your carcass in front of the Fidel Castro Building for the Continuing Study of Why America Sucks. Lunatics!" - Richard Jeni

:p

[Breeze]

it turns into a pissing contest and the thread is worthless by the tenth post.

That seems to be a--pardon the expression--liberal estimate.

[DaHood]

i disagree in that i do think the boards are here, first and foremost, for woxy.com the station, and second, for the boarders. otherwise we could boot out the mods, when, in fact, one day shiv and mike could just go, hey, shut the fuck up. :pThe board belongs to the company but the community belongs to us. We create it. Sure the mods can eliminate forums and indeed they could just close the board. But we could all just pack up and leave. In either case, it would be a very sad thing.

[Duemellon]

K, mike & co. You have my backing to get rid of CE/P. Good luck with that & the resulting maelstrom.

As for "bad blood" & "bad morale". WTF? There are a few people who carry personal grudges & lurk around like hungry sharks to pounce, taunt, & generally make an ass out of themselves by trying to make asses out of someone else. Instead of doing so elsewhere, they chose CE/P to do so. Remove CE/P & watch them boil their attacks into other places... or they might leave.

[The Big Crunch]

Yet again, a rant disguised as a thread querry. Worst foreign policy team ever? I don't know - you see, I can't really give a legit answer to this question because I'm not intimately familar with every foreign policy "team" to ever guide policy strategy for every candidate who has ever run for major public office in the United States. Obviously Orville must have such detailed and vast knowledge in order to make such a broad, sweeping, and confident assertion...otherwise he'd appear to just be another loudmouth partisan who thinks he knows more than he does :rolleyes:

Or...this whole thread could just be an excuse for Orville to give himself a platform from which to loudly bash a Dem...(yawn). Wow, maybe he never really cared if anyone responded, maybe he just wanted to fling out some inflamatory rhetoric to get his jollies off :rolleyes:

I also agree with Rocketman. Really, this is a music site, why have a CEP forum? I rarely notice the most diehard CEP folks (all 4-5 of them) ever post anything music or pop culture related, but they often seem to complain about the quality of the political discussion around here. Well, if you have no interest in some engaging discussions of issues related to rock music (or art/pop culture), and you are obviously an uber-wonk knowitall, then why not find a politics board inhabited by other likeminded folks? Really...why, out of all the places on the net to talk politics, have the same 5-6 people chosen this small section of this board with which to basically say the same things (often angrily and in hostile fashion) over and over again? It would be like me going to some place like dailykos and only referencing music, then getting pissed because not enough people are presenting enough diverse opinions on my music discussions.

I guess one of the things that bothers me the most about CEP is that when I skim the "new posts" on the boards, I'm bombarded with a bunch of angry agitprop, bullshit political sloganeering...all from this forum. No matter what side it's on, the shrill hate-filled words are just plain ugly.

[akip]

who in hell you callin' old woman? :mad:


oh wait, big sug.......well that's different..... :p :D

if CE/P didn't exist, I wouldn't have gotten my sig!

yep, one person's guru is another person's nosy old grandmother.

maybe they should just program a little skull and crossbones next to all the CE/P threads.

[akip]

I guess one of the things that bothers me the most about CEP is that when I skim the "new posts" on the boards, I'm bombarded with a bunch of angry agitprop, bullshit political sloganeering. No matter what side it's on, the shrill hate-filled words are just plain ugly.

the other day i looked up the word "troll" on urban dictionary---not that i don't know what a troll is, but i was curious to see how it was defined by rough consensus and in print. the expanded definition seems to be someone who participates merely to piss people off, with secondary definitions being someone who habitually starts irritating threads or who habitually derails threads with stupid jokes.

by those definitions the woxy community tolerates, even defends, a few pet trolls.

but yeah, i pretty much agree with your whole post, though i don't think you could keep it off the boards anymore. the haters would just clutter up randomville.

maybe the parallel dream universe software feature would be to have an "ignore CE/P" option on one's user profile. ;)

[The Big Crunch]

who habitually derails threads with stupid jokes.
Uh oh...how about someone who habitually derails threads about specific bands in order to talk about a diferent band that they like...not that I would ever be guilty of such a thing as that...no, not me :o

maybe the parallel dream universe software feature would be to have an "ignore CE/P" option on one's user profile. ;)
Oooh, that would be nice.

[akip]

The board belongs to the company but the community belongs to us. We create it. Sure the mods can eliminate forums and indeed they could just close the board. But we could all just pack up and leave. In either case, it would be a very sad thing.

so if we create the community, we should respect each other enough to maintain at least some low level standard of decorum, which is basically not humoring people who are being exceptionally shitty, gratuitously needling, etc. sure, self-policing can take place, but it generally doesn't happen.

[akip]

Uh oh...how about someone who habitually derails threads about specific bands in order to talk about a diferent band that they like...not that I would ever be guilty of such a thing as that...no, not me :o


only if you make a fart joke in the next sentence. ;)

[DaHood]

so if we create the community, we should respect each other enough to maintain at least some low level standard of decorum, which is basically not humoring people who are being exceptionally shitty, gratuitously needling, etc. sure, self-policing can take place, but it generally doesn't happen.Nobody has to humor anyone or even read what shitty, gratuitously needling people post. There is an ignore function for that. It works because I have used it a couple of times.

Where self policing generally doesn't happen is in CE/P and in my mind you are asking for it if you participate in there. It's sort of an unwritten rule of the community. Yet, I agree that a certain level of decorum should be maintained even there. It's up to the individuals to make that happen. You know, a good ferreting does wonders. :D

BTW I like your idea for an ignore CE/P button but until that happens or CE/P goes away or worse yet the board goes away, you have to do it yourself. And I hope CE/P doesn't go away because of the reasons many have already stated. Keep the hate there. (and in the "I Hate Apple" Thread) :p

[the happy prole]

I'd vote to ditch this forum, personally.

[akip]

Nobody has to humor anyone or even read what shitty, gratuitously needling people post. There is an ignore function for that. It works because I have used it a couple of times.

Where self policing generally doesn't happen is in CE/P and in my mind you are asking for it if you participate in there. It's sort of an unwritten rule of the community. Yet, I agree that a certain level of decorum should be maintained even there. It's up to the individuals to make that happen. You know, a good ferreting does wonders. :D

BTW I like your idea for an ignore CE/P button but until that happens or CE/P goes away or worse yet the board goes away, you have to do it yourself. And I hope CE/P doesn't go away because of the reasons many have already stated. Keep the hate there. (and in the "I Hate Apple" Thread) :p

if somebody gets turned off the boards entirely by some loudmouth's insult, it's a loss to the community at large. and it happens--i've seen it happen quite a few times, as a matter of fact.

i believe that even in CE/P, as hot button and freewheeling as it is, people should get called out for going over the edge in their attacks against other boarders. the people calling them out don't have to get shit thrown at them for showing some guts. it's been my observation that when someone does get called out for being beyond-the-pale insulting, it's almost always justified. CE/P doesn't necessarily have to devolve to the most aggressive hardcore.

[Duemellon]

It's real simple:

If you argue about money or music, it's fine. People will agree to disagree. But when you start arguing ideologies the shit will hit the fan because ideologies (whether religion, capitalism, or conservative/liberal, etc) are always hotbuttons & are 90-100% about faith.

Unsubstantiated, unwaivering, indefensible, faith.

No matter what facts are laid down, no matter what credentials are shared, no matter who feels they're more right than others, the best you can do is get to the point where you understand the other person's view. Too many people come here assuming they're going to change/convert someone. The problem is, they come in assuming the others are trying to convert them. So they come in with the gaurd up.

When someone says, & genuinely means, they just want their view to be "heard", people can't digest that concept (because they are trying to convert or trying not to be converted). it'll always be a mess. People can hear others' views about non-ideological things.

Yes, yes, for some people music can be ideologies. That's when they become music snobs, music fascists, & music flamers.

[markalot]

You're wrong about the Bengals, you must know this.

[DaHood]

if somebody gets turned off the boards entirely by some loudmouth's insult, it's a loss to the community at large. and it happens--i've seen it happen quite a few times, as a matter of fact.Yes and it's sad. But that is life on the internets. If the mods wanted to provide an environment in which the loudmouth would be banned, they could. I don't like bans. There have been a few times in which the mods have deemed it necessary. That's fine with me. But do you want that kind of policing all the time? I don't.

i believe that even in CE/P, as hot button and freewheeling as it is, people should get called out for going over the edge in their attacks against other boarders. the people calling them out don't have to get shit thrown at them for showing some guts. it's been my observation that when someone does get called out for being beyond-the-pale insulting, it's almost always justified. CE/P doesn't necessarily have to devolve to the most aggressive hardcore.Yes, people should be called out for going overboard. CE/P doesn't necessarily have to devolve to the most agressive hardcore and the best thing we can do when it does, is just leave the thread. The best thing we can do to stop it when there is no other solution is just stop feeding the bears.... er, trolls, as it were. :D This way we don't have to involve Mike and Shiv in something they'd rather not take part. They have more important things to do, like spinning great tunes. :cool:

[markalot]

Did I miss a post or something? Was something deleted. For the life of me I can't understand what the stink is all about.

[DaHood]

Did I miss a post or something? Was something deleted. For the life of me I can't understand what the stink is all about.
I'm surprised that you of all people didn't scream in horror over what was proposed on page 1. :p

[markalot]

They can get rid of the forum if they want. I hope they don't as I really enjoy it, but so be it. The thing is political discussions might creep into other forums and require additional moderation / banning to stop it. It seems to me CE/P acts as a good catch all to keep this stuff in a single place.

I'm really looking forward to the elections next year. I would miss not being able to gab about it here.

[DaHood]

The thing is political discussions might creep into other forums and require additional moderation / banning to stop it. It seems to me CE/P acts as a good catch all to keep this stuff in a single place.
Exactly .

[Predot listener]

I can't believe there's this much support, even if most of it is somewhat lukewarm, for closing down CE/P. On a daily basis it's one of the three most active forums on the boards, behind the indespensible main music forum and the less 'spensible randomville. I would think the one thing that would most likely drive posters/lurkers away from the boards is not enough discussion going on, not because Big Sugar is being a Big Meanie.

[Orville Wrong]

I don't like Bush because he's got a liberal streak. The amnesty bill, no child, the bankruptcy reform... He sucks. If grassroots conservatives hadn't managed to rise up and torpedo the immigration bill, I'd be in the torch and pitchfork brigade alongside (but upwind of) the leftists.

The fact remains that Obama's foreign policy pronouncements are childish. He's being advised very badly, and I think he's tossing out stuff he thinks up on the fly. Someone pointed out that "talking to other countries is neat" (this was Kerry's platform, actually), but Obama went beyond that and said he'd have face to face negotiations with Iran immediately if elected.

Nixon really, really, really, really wanted to re-open relations with China. He had a hard on for it. All the same, it took YEARS before he could make his trip to meet Mao. Kissinger and Chou Enlai were married for a year, laying the groundwork, scripting the event, agreeing on who could say what, and who would comprise the delegations, and what Nixon could see, and on and on.

Even if it were practicable, it would be frightening. Obama is a freshman senator with no foreign policy experience. If he were elected, would you really want him "facing down" the mullahs in his first month in office?

Invading Pakistan and scrapping our ace in the silo are beyond further comment.

Oh, and like anyone is actually going to give me the satisfaction of killing this forum.

[Homsar]

I would keep it. I like popping in and making comments when I really don't know anything about what's going on.

[The Big Crunch]

Invading Pakistan and scrapping our ace in the silo are beyond further comment.
I wasn't aware that Obama had said that we should just up and invade Pakistan...no conditions, no debate, no extinuating circumstances...just an invasion. Wow. He really said that we should just invade them, just like that? Based on your quotes, it would appear that he must be advocating an immediate and unconditional invasion of Pakistan as soon as he is elected? And complete and immediate disarmament of all missiles as well? Wow, I hadn't heard him specifically state those beliefs either. Unconditional invasion and immediate elimination of all missiles. That's what you implied, so I guess either you're lying or that's what he said.

Really, a full on invasion...no questions asked...as simple as that...just invade ASAP, with no other strings attached or clarifications...just invade?

Oh wait...maybe it was in the context of something else? Maybe you're taking those words out of any context they may have had and just giving your highly biased-to-the-point-of-falsification spin on the matter?

You see Orville, this is why this forum, and your posts, are basically bullshit. It was what Due was saying below. Someone has a beef to share... or some fully preconceived notion they wish to preach, and damn you if you disagree. This isn't debate, discussion, or conversation. It's O'Reilly, Hanity, Limbaugh, Huffington and Franken. It's spin-for-my-side and, "Fuck you if you disagree because there are only two opinions: my opinion and the wrong opinion".

If you want to debate Obama's foreign policy assertions, then give the full story behind them...don't reduce them to soundbites that mislead. There is legitimate room for discussion here, but what you did was basically go on a rant and rewrite a candidates statements in a way that proves your point before you even directly state your opinion. That's not debating, it's just talking AT someone...and it's why this forum, and political debate in this country, is basically a waste of time.

I may disagree with Markalot a bunch, but you know something, when he starts political threads, he often C&Ps an article and then makes a comment based on the piece. It establishes an objective base for discussion. That's good. You just threw out your wildly misleading analysis of Obama's views as fact and then basically challenged anyone to disagree with you. See the diference?

I still don't see why the folks who's only interest around here is politics don't go to some site that has a wider group of people who share their enthusiasm for the topic. Why pick a site more or less devoted to music where there are only about 5-6 highly active political posters?

Anyway, I'm done with this thread...let it rest in peace.

[classicgrrl]

They can get rid of the forum if they want. I hope they don't as I really enjoy it, but so be it. The thing is political discussions might creep into other forums and require additional moderation / banning to stop it. It seems to me CE/P acts as a good catch all to keep this stuff in a single place.

I'm really looking forward to the elections next year. I would miss not being able to gab about it here.

and I would miss making jokes at your gabbing. :p

[mike]

I'm up late - can't sleep - so this seems as good a time as any to take this on, so here goes...

IMO, CE/P has, unfortunately, devolved into the talk radio portion of the WOXY message board. The discourse usually strays from cordial early and often and yes, at times, I've mixed it up a bit here.

The assertion that a forum of this nature is unnecessary on a primarily music related site is, to me, a valid point. Policing the boards, and this forum in general, is something we would prefer to do with minimal effort. We've got other things going on. Lately, there seems to be a rash of threads that have started with the sole intention to incite nasty arguments, hence, the talk radio comparison.

My guess is that if we closed down CE/P, topical threads would indeed gravitate to Randomville....where I'd predict they'd sink like a stone under the sheer number of other, more heavily trafficked threads.

I wholly disagree with the notion that anyone visiting or posting on CE/P should expect a potentially rougher reception than from doing likewise on any other section of the boards. That said, I personally don't like banning posters for a difference of opinion, no matter how much a minority view it may be.

But - let me be clear - this is our house. We have always had pretty much of an open door policy - we want you to be here - yet we don't have to expalin ourselves should we decide to give someone the boot, and we reserve that right.

No doubt, there are a handful of folks who post almost exclusively in this thread, and a few who contribute to the talk radio feel I'm referring to.

Seriously, if you're one of those folks and you're here, in this thread, primarily to mix it up.....let me ask you to either cease posting, or go elsewhere. There are PLENTY of other boards who cater just to that type of thing. At the end of the day, having a CE/P thread on this message board is just not that essential for us.

All that said - I'm of the belief that we should leave this open. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the discussion of current events and politics but, as I've said, it's gotten to be a little bit of a free for all and inevitably, it always seems to be the same group of people mixed up in the fray once you clear away the dust.

As always, we are flattered that you support the station. We appreciate it, and we thank you. I'd like to think that would continue irregardless of there being a CE/P section of the board.

Mike

[Kruschev]

I'm up late - can't sleep - so this seems as good a time as any to take this on, so here goes...

IMO, CE/P has, unfortunately, devolved into the talk radio portion of the WOXY message board. The discourse usually strays from cordial early and often and yes, at times, I've mixed it up a bit here.

The assertion that a forum of this nature is unnecessary on a primarily music related site is, to me, a valid point. Policing the boards, and this forum in general, is something we would prefer to do with minimal effort. We've got other things going on. Lately, there seems to be a rash of threads that have started with the sole intention to incite nasty arguments, hence, the talk radio comparison.

My guess is that if we closed down CE/P, topical threads would indeed gravitate to Randomville....where I'd predict they'd sink like a stone under the sheer number of other, more heavily trafficked threads.

I wholly disagree with the notion that anyone visiting or posting on CE/P should expect a potentially rougher reception than from doing likewise on any other section of the boards. That said, I personally don't like banning posters for a difference of opinion, no matter how much a minority view it may be.

But - let me be clear - this is our house. We have always had pretty much of an open door policy - we want you to be here - yet we don't have to expalin ourselves should we decide to give someone the boot, and we reserve that right.

No doubt, there are a handful of folks who post almost exclusively in this thread, and a few who contribute to the talk radio feel I'm referring to.

Seriously, if you're one of those folks and you're here, in this thread, primarily to mix it up.....let me ask you to either cease posting, or go elsewhere. There are PLENTY of other boards who cater just to that type of thing. At the end of the day, having a CE/P thread on this message board is just not that essential for us.

All that said - I'm of the belief that we should leave this open. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the discussion of current events and politics but, as I've said, it's gotten to be a little bit of a free for all and inevitably, it always seems to be the same group of people mixed up in the fray once you clear away the dust.

As always, we are flattered that you support the station. We appreciate it, and we thank you. I'd like to think that would continue irregardless of there being a CE/P section of the board.

Mike

I'm up late, can sleep but choose not to. I really hope the CE/P stays open, cause I'm too damn lazy to keep up with this shit and might not if it weren't for these threads. Besides I need to know how to form my own opinion. :p J/k. I would look up this type of info on my own and do from time to time, but most of the time I don't need to, cause these jerks are feeding it to me.

[Jumbo Shrimp]

I'm up late - can't sleep - so this seems as good a time as any to take this on, so here goes...

IMO, CE/P has, unfortunately, devolved into the talk radio portion of the WOXY message board. The discourse usually strays from cordial early and often and yes, at times, I've mixed it up a bit here.

The assertion that a forum of this nature is unnecessary on a primarily music related site is, to me, a valid point. Policing the boards, and this forum in general, is something we would prefer to do with minimal effort. We've got other things going on. Lately, there seems to be a rash of threads that have started with the sole intention to incite nasty arguments, hence, the talk radio comparison.

My guess is that if we closed down CE/P, topical threads would indeed gravitate to Randomville....where I'd predict they'd sink like a stone under the sheer number of other, more heavily trafficked threads.

I wholly disagree with the notion that anyone visiting or posting on CE/P should expect a potentially rougher reception than from doing likewise on any other section of the boards. That said, I personally don't like banning posters for a difference of opinion, no matter how much a minority view it may be.

But - let me be clear - this is our house. We have always had pretty much of an open door policy - we want you to be here - yet we don't have to expalin ourselves should we decide to give someone the boot, and we reserve that right.

No doubt, there are a handful of folks who post almost exclusively in this thread, and a few who contribute to the talk radio feel I'm referring to.

Seriously, if you're one of those folks and you're here, in this thread, primarily to mix it up.....let me ask you to either cease posting, or go elsewhere. There are PLENTY of other boards who cater just to that type of thing. At the end of the day, having a CE/P thread on this message board is just not that essential for us.

All that said - I'm of the belief that we should leave this open. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the discussion of current events and politics but, as I've said, it's gotten to be a little bit of a free for all and inevitably, it always seems to be the same group of people mixed up in the fray once you clear away the dust.

As always, we are flattered that you support the station. We appreciate it, and we thank you. I'd like to think that would continue irregardless of there being a CE/P section of the board.

Mike

It's a message board. Idiots are everywhere. If you get rid of CE/P, then are the rest of these forums next? You say "At the end of the day, having a CE/P thread on this message board is just not that essential for us." Realistically, are ANY of these forums essential for the running of the radio station? It's like icing on the cake, something extra to be enjoyed.

As far as policing idiots on the boards (I'll admit to being an idiot at times) if I were in charge, Spambots would be about the only thing to go. But what do I know.

As far as having a CE/P forum here, I think it's a good idea even though I don't post here very often. I read MUCH more than I post in this forum. But why let a few ruin the entire forum for everyone? That doesn't make sense to me. Should the CE/P forum vanish from the WOXY boards, I think we'll lose quite a few "senior members" who contribute to these boards and make them enjoyable reading for guys like me who have nothing better to do than read this shit at 3am!!!

Oh one last thing, shouldn't this have been it's own thread???

[Duemellon]

You guys do realize there's a spin-off board called Randomville.com (http://www.randomville.com/Daily/) that mirrors much of this forum, has many of the same members, but does not & will not have a CE/P forum (by design). Just as mike said:"Seriously, if you're one of those folks and you're here, in this thread, primarily to mix it up.....let me ask you to either cease posting, or go elsewhere. There are PLENTY of other boards who cater just to that type of thing. At the end of the day, having a CE/P thread on this message board is just not that essential for us."Their forum/boards are the inverse of that. They have none but pretty much the same stuff otherwise.

Having said that, I'd bet they have less copycat threads there too. They just don't seem like the types to have them there.

[markalot]

Oh one last thing, shouldn't this have been it's own thread???

No, of course not. We never discuss the topic of a thread. What, are you new here? ;)

[akip]

But - let me be clear - this is our house. We have always had pretty much of an open door policy - we want you to be here - yet we don't have to expalin ourselves should we decide to give someone the boot, and we reserve that right.


hear, hear.

very nice post. long live woxy.com. :cool:

[drougan]

I agree with Kruschev...I read a lot more than I post in this particular forum. Then again, I read alot more than I post in the music forum as well. I hold that position mostly because I feel I deserve no place in the pantheon of Modern Rock Discussion. I just don't know enough about it, and I can't dedicate enough of my life to learn as much as I feel I'd need to get involved in more discussion up there. Down here though I feel as though the conversation is somehow different, that it's going to impact my life and POV in ways other than the music I listen to. And I like that. Sure this place pissses me off from time to time, but I've come to the realization that its ok to get angry. Like all the other emotions it makes one feel alive.

At any rate, I keep coming here (woxy.lala.com/boards) to keep learning about things and read about what's going on. In music, tech, movies, tv, peoples lives, and in CE/P. The whole shebang. It saves me from having to find some dedicated site for all these other things. ;)

[clonE]

I really like the CE/P forum because it keeps me current on interesting happenings and sometimes has well-written arguments from what i'll call the other side. generally though, I also like to here the right wing viewpoint so I can attempt to understand where they're coming from.

But like Due said, most of us believe our faith and no one is going to change their mind.

And sure, the 'discussion' sometimes gets out of hand, but it's easy to simply skim or ignore the posts & flames that don't really contribute to the discussion.

[Duemellon]

I don't talk music much. Heck, not even with people IRL. There's not much to talk about. I like this type, they like that, that's pretty much it. On occassion I swap music with them.

This forum is where I got started. Heck, I didn't even post in Randomville for almost the 1st year I was here. I like music... heck, I love music,... but there's just no reason for me to talk about it.

[markalot]

I don't talk politics or music in real life.

[Duemellon]

I don't talk politics or music in real life.But what car do you drive?

[drougan]

I don't talk politics or music in real life.

fascinating.

It should also be said you don't discuss much real life in here either.

My IRL music discussions pretty much echo Due's.