Long Live the People's Judean Front!!!

[BigSugar]

.........fuck off!!! We' re the Peoples Front of Judea!!

You'd think Hamas and Fatah could band together long enough to at least lob a rocket or two at Israel, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians)

the middle east is just just fresh steamy poop piled on top of old dried up poop. discuss.

[gwar469]

i've got a close Palestinian friend here at work, and she just gets so pissed off at these ass clowns. she just can't understand why the Palestinians keep fighting amongst themselves.

[Breeze]

Splitter! ......

[Jumpman]

the middle east is just just fresh steamy poop piled on top of old dried up poop. discuss.

I think this is a bit harsh. Underneath the fresh pile of dookie is a lovely place (if you can get past all the fucking Romans).

[Breeze]

I think this is a bit harsh. Underneath the fresh pile of dookie is a lovely place (if you can get past all the fucking Romans).

Next time you go on about the "bloody Romans," don't forget you're one of 'em!

[markalot]

What have the Romans ever done for us anyway.

[BigSugar]

I think this is a bit harsh. Underneath the fresh pile of dookie is a lovely place (if you can get past all the fucking Romans).

wrong. they blew the good stuff up in the 60's and 70's......including all the Romans! now it's nothing but bombs, guns and ocelots ears.

[wileE]

Wolf nipple chips! Get 'em while they're hot!

[wileE]

Whatever happened to the Popular People's Front?
He's over there.
Splitter!

[silentpaul]

What have the Romans ever done for us anyway.
Them and their stupid empire. They couldn't make it last for more than a thousand years! Lame.

[markalot]

Looks like Hamas is in position to take over and again YAIMG will show us how peaceful Islam is.

We should have never given these thugs a chance. Israel should have tracked down and killed every Hamas leader they could find. Violence = Violence, Tolerance = Violence.


YAIMG = Yet Another Islamic Militant Group

[Duemellon]

Islam is as peaceful a religion as Christianity.

[fedsmack]

Islam is as peaceful a religion as Christianity.
This may be true, but....Christians stopped declaring war in the name of Christianity (as a mainstream idealogy) hundreds of years ago. Islam has just hit its stride.....YIKES!!

[BigSugar]

yeah, but Xianity did all their shit back when people still believed that the sun revolved aroudn the earth, and the earth was flat and millions of people died from disease that today don't even require a trip to the doctor.

in today's world, there is no fucking place for all the bullshit that Islamic radicals put out there (which Islamic moderates tolerate and support). there is no excuse for the ongoing wars between Israel and the Arab world. There is no excuse for the ongoing wars between Sunni and Shia and Kurd and Hamas and Fatah and the other hundreds of whackjob Islamic factions duking it out in the Middle East over who owns what pile of sand.

get this you fucktards: there will be no return of the Caliphate. There will be no global conversion to Islam. Women will not bow to the whim of men and be whipped and killed for being raped by their brothers and cousins. We will not all pray to Mecca b/c Mecca is a steaming pile of shit and Mohammed was a drug addict. We will not be drawn into a long drawn out war with Islam b/c as soon as you possess and use nuclear weapons, we will wipe you from the face of the earth (and unfortunately, anyone standing within 100 miles of you as well.)

so, preach your "peace" (which is really "peace if you convert.......war if you don't"). Beat your women and degrade them. War amongst each other and kill your neighbors. Rail against everything non-Muslim. your time is near an end, and it's not near soon enough.

[Dirk]

yeah, but Xianity did all their shit back when people still believed that the sun revolved aroudn the earth, and the earth was flat and millions of people died from disease that today don't even require a trip to the doctor.
Might I remind you that the catholic/protestant fighting in Ireland was not all that long ago (and is still going on somewhat, although it has lessened a lot in the recent years). And the nice christian serbs sure killed a lot of muslims as well not too long ago. But of course it's not nice to point out where christians are doing violence, because that means you aren't focusing on the nasty muslims. There is more than enough blame to go around.

[Breeze]

Whatever happened to the Popular People's Front?
He's over there.

Nicely done, sir. :)

[BigSugar]

Might I remind you that the catholic/protestant fighting in Ireland was not all that long ago (and is still going on somewhat, although it has lessened a lot in the recent years). And the nice christian serbs sure killed a lot of muslims as well not too long ago. But of course it's not nice to point out where christians are doing violence, because that means you aren't focusing on the nasty muslims. There is more than enough blame to go around.

N. Ireland is so much more "self rule v. British rule" than it is religious in nature. Catholic/Protestant is just an easy label to place on it.

and yes.....you can find people or small groups of Xians doing bad things in todays world.......but i don't see the Pope out there espousing the killing of Jews or Muslims or anyone else. and I don't see Cardinals and Bishops and Priests preaching the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of all non-believers in holy war.

however, you do have numerous imams and other muslim religious leaders out there daily/weekly/monthly/yearly doing just exactly that. Sure, there are those that don't, but i'd say it's probably 50/50 worldwide.....closer to 80/20 in the middle east. and leaders in the middle east allow this to go on b/c it keeps the populous subjugated and controlled so that they can suck all the wealth out of the ground and screw the citizens.

hungry? blame the west, kill a jew.
no house? blame the west, kill a jew.
Shia killed your wife? blame the west, kill a jew.
Sunni killed your husband? blame the west, kill a jew.

and round and round we'll go until they get nukes and then all bets are off.

The Crusades were 1000 years ago. the Inquisition was 500 years ago. you can't really point to a tiny country like Serbia or a battle over self rule like N. Ireland and say "But the Xians are doing it too" and expect that to cover all the shit-crazy stuff that millions of people are doing in the name of Islam every freaking day, can you??

Islam is not peaceful and it will not be peaceful until all it's leaders renounce jihad and renounce the imposition of a worldwide caliphate and the conversion of the entire planet to Islam, and until they impose some sort of moral code that doesn't exclude/subjugate women and doesn't dictate that Jews and Xians are to be converted or killed.

just my 2 cents.

[Dirk]

But you are doing a lot of the same thing with Islam. You are pointing out the Shia/Sunni conflict, which is mainly about rule, and blaming Islam.

Hell, most of the conflict in the middle east with Israel is as much about rule as it is about religion. The Palestinians may hate Israel, but it is more about rule than religion, it just happens Israel mixes the 2. There was never a major issue before the UN took a huge chunk of land and gave it to the Jews. That to me says things are not as simple as Muslims hate Jews and want to kill them.

Most of the issues in the Middle East are caused by culture, not religion. The Muslims in America aren't violent (at least not in general, there are a few, but there are also some violent christians). It's easy to blame Islam because it is something easy to see, but it is the culture more than the religion.

[Slar]

Islam is not peaceful and it will not be peaceful until all it's leaders renounce jihad and renounce the imposition of a worldwide caliphate and the conversion of the entire planet to Islam, and until they impose some sort of moral code that doesn't exclude/subjugate women and doesn't dictate that Jews and Xians are to be converted or killed.

just my 2 cents.But they sure are handy bedfellows when it comes to voting records at the UN.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,,1398055,00.html

"When it comes to defining family values, conservative Christians and Muslims are united against liberal secularists.

"The Doha conference, and the resulting UN resolution, provided a striking example of growing cooperation between the Christian right (especially in the United States) and conservative Muslims - groups who, according to the clash-of-civilisations theory, ought to be sworn enemies.

"The family debate certainly divides the world, but the divisions are not between east and west, nor do they follow the usual dividing lines of international politics. The battle is between liberal secularists - predominantly in Europe - and conservatives elsewhere who think religion has a role in government.

"On this issue, with a president who sounds increasingly like an old-fashioned imam, the United States now sits in the religious camp alongside the Islamic regimes: not so much a clash of civilisations, more an alliance of fundamentalisms."

[Duemellon]

Looking back on the crusades, it was more about trade & control over territory than it was about religious persecution or domination.

Looking back on the Catholic/Protestant fighting in Ireland, it was more about control of Ireland than religion.

Looking back on the Inquisition it was more about distraction and the politics of xenophobia than religion.

But Islam, well, the moment Islam is introduced, there are no sociopolitical, territorial, or sovereignty issues, it's only & totally about converting everyone to Islam.

Nevermind the fact that as the pilgrims fought with the Natives of the Americas they came with gunpowder and Bibles, saying "If you convert, than you aren't my enemy, if you do not, then we'll kill you and take your land".

Nevermind the fact that as the crusaders went through the middle east, several times, they came with sword and Bibles saying "If you convert, than you aren't my enemy, if you do not, then we'll kill you and take your land".

Nevermind the Pope who was the reason or the cheerleader of many different wars often between other Christians (regardless if they were Catholic or Protestant) saying "If you convert/subject to my rule, you aren't my enemy, if you do not, then we'll kill you and take your land".

Notice the similarities? God(s) have long since been used as an excuse for war, but when you believe it's the only reason for a particular war then you lost sight of every war ever. Gulliver's Lilliputians were the only war ever fought over ideology, all other wars just pretend to be.

[markalot]

So the violence continues. Where are the cries about women and children getting killed. Where are the cries of evil Hamas killing innocent civilians?

I say let Hamas take over Gaza, then bomb them all, every single last one of them, nothing left. Lesson for Israel, don't give anything back.

[DaHood]

We're off on the road to Judiaaaa
We certainly do get aroooooound
boom chicka boom chica boom chica boom

[wileE]

Islam is not peaceful and it will not be peaceful until all it's leaders renounce jihad and renounce the imposition of a worldwide caliphate and the conversion of the entire planet to Islam, and until they impose some sort of moral code that doesn't exclude/subjugate women and doesn't dictate that Jews and Xians are to be converted or killed.

just my 2 cents.
Maybe one of the reasons the Muslim leaders don't do that is because they would then become targets for those extremists.

[BigSugar]

Looking back on the crusades, it was more about trade & control over territory than it was about religious persecution or domination.

no....never said that. nice try. The Crusades (1000 years ago) were all about imposition of religious dominance by Xians over Muslims AND control of the holy land.

Looking back on the Catholic/Protestant fighting in Ireland, it was more about control of Ireland than religion. absofreakinglutely. not even a question about this one. but you're irish, you tell me. :)

Looking back on the Inquisition it was more about distraction and the politics of xenophobia than religion. again. never said that. I said it was 500 years ago.....a half of a millenium. not recent history.....ie: back when Xians were just as big of murdering zealots as the Muslims are today.

But Islam, well, the moment Islam is introduced, there are no sociopolitical, territorial, or sovereignty issues, it's only & totally about converting everyone to Islam. again. never said that. But the sworn jihad of millions of Muslims in the middle east and elsewhere is the complete and utter destruction of the United States and anything "western", and the introduction of the religious caliphate and conversion of the entire planet to Islam. just open your eyes and see it........not every Muslim thinks this way, but those that don't are awfully quiet when the ones that do think that way start cutting off heads.

Nevermind the fact that as the pilgrims fought with the Natives of the Americas they came with gunpowder and Bibles, saying "If you convert, than you aren't my enemy, if you do not, then we'll kill you and take your land". well, that's a bit of a first grade rendition of the settlement of North America......and even if you are 100% correct and John Smith stepped onto the land in Virginia with a holy bible above his head shouting "CONVERT OR DIE", that was 400 years ago. and since the Pilgrims were actually fleeing religious intolerance and imposition of one religion, I'm pretty sure you're dead freaking wrong. The American land grab had very little to do with whether or not Native Americans converted to Xianity.

Nevermind the fact that as the crusaders went through the middle east, several times, they came with sword and Bibles saying "If you convert, than you aren't my enemy, if you do not, then we'll kill you and take your land". The Crusaders actually were going to take back land that the Muslims took from them (which the Xians had previously taken from the Jews who had taken it from the Romans who had taken it from the nomadic tribes, etc...). And i'm damn certain that there was no "Convert and we won't kill you" option offered. The Crusaders were there to do battle and take the holy land back by force, not turn Muslim hearts to Xian hearts. It was a war (actually multiple wars over hundreds of years), not a mission.

Nevermind the Pope who was the reason or the cheerleader of many different wars often between other Christians (regardless if they were Catholic or Protestant) saying "If you convert/subject to my rule, you aren't my enemy, if you do not, then we'll kill you and take your land". ummm.....yeah......1000 years ago....can we at least get into the last couple hundred years with your decent examples.....Pope John Paul never did this.....neither did his previous 10 predecessors. think "modern world".......let's at least try and get you to the Industrial Revolution.

[markalot]

But big sug, we must let others do what we have done before. Just like Kyoto, that says we polluters who caused the problems have to clean it up. Apologists are everywhere!

No Due, I don't think you're suggesting that, but you can't use past actions as an excuse for current actions.

[Duemellon]

So, par for the course both of you, BS & MaL both deny the analogies & declare their irrelevence through focusing on the differences.

Well duh, analogies are always flawed & if you exaggerate/focus the differences, you'll find them. However, how's about you focus on the similarities?

The similarities are that we are taught in school that those actions were done for strategic gain or self-defense, but the tones, rhetoric, & message to rile-up the populace is forgotten. There are no wars ever fought on a grand scale that were solely about imposing religious/ideological ideals. There will be wars about ecological, social, economic, population, political, & a whole host of stuff, but no one has ever gone into a large, lasting military effort over their God(s).

They will, however, prefer to frame it as a religious/ideological battle so as to incense their troops, their patrons, & their citizenry, into a frenzy. Either they'll sell their efforts as religious or sell their enemy's effort as imposing on their religion.

So, what was the point of bringing it up?
Because you both continue to pick up the talking points that frame this as a religious war. It is about sovereignty, territory, resources, money, & influence. Religion is just a red herring. But the more you bit into that bait the more incensed you become.

[mistergugi]

What have the Romans ever done for us anyway.Dood, they gave us the Romanburger, duuuuh.

[silentpaul]

Dood, they gave us the Romanburger, duuuuh.
...and candles, and numerals...

[Slar]

...and candles, and numerals...and the aqueduct.

[gwar469]

i texted my palestinian friend "palestinian goverment dissolved. that's not gonna help anything"

she responded with "I know, it's terribly depressing. Every Palestinian I know is completely depressed, myself included. Like it's over. Trying not to have that attitude, but from here all we can do is watch and cry..."

[BigSugar]

she responded with "I know, it's terribly depressing. Every Palestinian I know is completely depressed, myself included. Like it's over. Trying not to have that attitude, but from here all we can do is watch and cry..."

from here too. Hamas will not have peace with Israel. period. Any chance at peace is over....only war/fighting/death is on the horizon. it's gonna be one or the other...either Israel survives and the Palestinians are destroyed. or Israel is destroyed. 2 guess which it will be. first guess doesn't count.

[BigSugar]

So, par for the course both of you, BS & MaL both deny the analogies & declare their irrelevence through focusing on the differences.


I never denied the analogies. I shot several of them down b/c they were just plain stupid. i just would like one that exists in the last 200 years that is valid and not based on "due-logic". you scream "CRUSADES" like they happened in the 60's and Saladin was some sort of Muslim Martin Luther King Jr. they did happen in the 60's. the 1060's. Not even Al Jazeera would support your "analogy" of the Crusades to today's crisis.

then you decry "PILGRIMS" as if the Mayflower was still in port in Massachussetts.

i personally don't care if the Muslims want more land....i don't care if it's based solely or partly or not at all on Islam.....you (the collective radical muslim 'you") want to fight and kill and destroy everything you despise, i say "come and take it". we'll leave a light on for you.

[markalot]

Hamas plans to set up an Islamic state in Gaza. They are taking captured soldiers and executing them in the street.

This is happening because the world was tolerant and let them build up to this.

I think the screaming about 'our' typical anti-Islam comments is desperation, not logic. Again and again and again people that say they are Muslims over there have show the world how brutal they can be. A peaceful religion doesn't tolerate this. I talked about it before, if you value Islam you take control or lose it to the radicals.

It's too late. You can flame me all you want but just listen to the average street talk. Stupid Arabs, stupid Muslims, animals, inhuman. The Palestinian people voted a terrorists organization into office, now they reap the benefits.

I guess if there is a silver lining to this it will have to be a large amount of condemnation from the Muslim world that might finally change the balance between the sane and insane.

It won't happen, though. Someone from Hamas will strike Israel, Israel will strike back. Israel will kill someone and a crying Muslim will appear on TV and blame everything on those dirty Israelis.

And you know what. This IS all Bush's fault. No, I'm not advocating peace and tolerance, rather competency. Iraq should be over, when Hamas first started causing trouble post elections we should have done whatever it took to eliminate them. Give to OK to Israel, or help arm and train Fatah.

So in the next few days, barring some unforeseen event, you'll have Hamas declaring a new Islamic state in Gaza. How long before Israel re-occupies?

[Duemellon]

...and numerals...Not the ones we use most often. Those were the arabs who gave us those.

[Duemellon]

.....you (the collective radical muslim 'you") want to fight and kill and destroy everything you despise,...That's the thing, you & MaL, for your own reasons, think it's because of ideology. Like, they just "hate" us, or them, or the other.

Where does this hate come from? You'll start pointing to the religion.

But it's not about hate, it's about control. It's about soveriegnty & wealth. It's about resources & oppression. It's about that stuff. You both just don't get it.

MaL, on the other hand, is spewing out shit like the Aryan Nation speakers. WTF dude? You've gone nuts. If you replaced your hate with synonomous words for other groups, maybe you'd see how bigotted your message is.

[gwar469]

i used to think i knew a lot about the whole Israel/Palestinian conflict, until i met my palestinian friend. the most i had ever heard from that end of the argument had been from whatever i heard on the news, and usually it wasn't good. while she does pour on the rhetoric when she talks, the way she describes the conflict and the crap the common Palestinian folks have to go through because of the militants is very sincere. most palestinians aren't fighters and just want the conflict to end. most don't even know why the fighting exists, and just want to peacefully co-exist with the israelis. the problem is, the pacifists don't win violent battles, and will always be on the short end. my friend admits, both sides are highly to blame for the current situation, but nobody has any fucking clue on how to make it end.

[markalot]

MaL, on the other hand, is spewing out shit like the Aryan Nation speakers. WTF dude? You've gone nuts. If you replaced your hate with synonomous words for other groups, maybe you'd see how bigotted your message is.

You tried that before, I really don't think it applies. I worded it very carefully but maybe you can answer it. What do you think the word on the street is? What do you think is the most common perception of Muslims today? Perception is everything.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19219238/

Israel denies tank struck children
Israel was also caught up in the Palestinian power struggle, with Palestinian security officials alleging that an Israeli tank shell killed six people — including five children — in Rafah on Thursday. The Israeli military denied there was any army fire in the area.

Hospital workers said the children were all siblings under the age 16 and were riding in a car at the time they were killed. The driver of the car was also killed, the security officials said.

Fighting isn't even over and already Israel did something. I mean really, Hamas wouldn't kill children, only Israel would.

[yoshomon]

Anti-Semitism and the Beirut Pogrom: http://www.connexions.org/CxLibrary/docs/CX5587-BeirutPogrom.htm

[markalot]

the pacifists don't win violent battles,

Pacifists don't win any battles, that's the problem. If you don't fight for what you believe in you will always lose to someone who will. It sucks, but only through the sane mounting some mass action (if there's a mass of them anymore) will peace prevail.

[yoshomon]

I say let Hamas take over Gaza, then bomb them all, every single last one of them, nothing left. Lesson for Israel, don't give anything back.

Kill thousands and thousands of people, then there will be retaliation suicide bombings and the cycle of war and nationalism will continue. According to the NYT article I read, some Israeli officials were (anonymously) celebrating the victory of Hamas in Gaza because it helped Israel drive a bigger split between Gaza and the West Bank and opened the door to more aggressive military action.

Does nobody remember that years ago Hamas was funded by Israel to create an Islamist counterweight to the secular PLO? Nationalists are butchers, all of them. It doesn't matter what state or race they fight for.

[markalot]

Anti-Semitism and the Beirut Pogrom: http://www.connexions.org/CxLibrary/docs/CX5587-BeirutPogrom.htm


I was going to ask what the hell that was, then i realized Yosh posted it. :D

[markalot]

Does nobody remember that years ago Hamas was funded by Israel to create an Islamist counterweight to the secular PLO? Nationalists are butchers, all of them. It doesn't matter what state or race they fight for.

Woah there, flag on the field. I'm going to the tape ...

Figures, all I can find are radical sites that claim this to be true. Can you show me a legitimate source for that information that hasn't been corrupted by the 'big' conspiracy?

[yoshomon]

Zionism and anti-semitism compete with each other for most insane ideology, so it's hard to find clear information about anything related to Israel and Palestine. I'll have to dig through shit to find my sources, because you're right that a simple google search yields a lot of loonies (of both zionist and anti-semite varieties).

[yoshomon]

I was going to ask what the hell that was, then i realized Yosh posted it. :D

It's the best historical analysis of Zionism I've ever read, and it's not that long. Check it out, seriously. Fredy Perlman's 'The Continuing Appeal of Nationalism' is excellent as well.

[markalot]

It's the best historical analysis of Zionism I've ever read, and it's not that long. Check it out, seriously. Fredy Perlman's 'The Continuing Appeal of Nationalism' is excellent as well.

I did read 1/2 of it before I started skimming. The thing is it's another one of those single point of view papers you like to post. It's very thin on facts, mostly personal experiences and convoluted descriptions of thought. And seriously, I'm trying not to be insulting here but there is a theme to the stuff you link to.

It wasn’t until the following decade, when I was over thirty, that my nearness to the Nazi Pogrom began to be meaningful to me. This transvaluation of my early experience happened suddenly, and was caused by something like a chance encounter, an encounter which, also by chance, included an odd reference to the State of Israel.


http://users.california.com/~rathbone/transval.htm

Groovy new age word, and also a personal one.

I didn’t know anything about the people in Israel and had never met an Israeli, but I was increasingly aware of the loud American cheerleaders for the State of Israel, and not the Left Zionists among them but the others, my racist relative’s friends. The Leftists had all but vanished in a dark sectarian Limbo no outsider could penetrate, a Limbo that stank almost as strongly as the one that held Messiah Lenin’s and Stalin’s heirs, with sects twisted out of shape by the existence of the State of Israel, ranging from those who claimed their seizure of power was all that was needed to turn the State of Israel into an egalitarian community, to those who claimed the existing State of Israel was already the egalitarian community.


You can start to see the slant now. It's a personal essay about a viewpoint, but that's all it is.

Yet even while dwelling on the backwardness of the expropriated, the cheerleaders became paranoid and pictured the pathetic resistance of the expropriated as a vast conspiracy of untold power and nearly cosmic scope.


Try saying that fast.

I survived into my forties, thanks partly to the fact that America still hadn’t exterminated itself and the rest of humanity with the high-powered incinerants and poisons with which it was mining [Mining in the sense of setting explosive mines, making earth lethal], or rather undermining, its own as well as other people’s lands.

And this is where I pretty much stopped. He survived into his forties because America existed. This thought, like a seething jealousy, burns some people up.

Pogrom is a Russian word that used to refer, in past years that now seem almost benign, to a riot of cudgel-armed men against poorly armed villagers with different cultural traits; the more heavily the State was involved in the riot, the more heinous was the Pogrom. The overwhelmingly stronger attackers projected their own character as bullies onto their weaker victims, convincing themselves that their victims were rich, powerful, well-armed and allied with the Devil. The attackers also projected their own violence onto their victims, constructing stories of the victims’ brutality out of details taken from their own repertory of deeds. In nineteenth century Russia, a Pogrom was considered particularly violent if fifty people were killed.

Well that clears things up, and here I thought he just misspelled program. :) Unfortunately I'm serious.

This is more anti-state anti-establishment crap. He wants to focus on the irony of Israel being a rather racist state but he can't hide his hatred for anything established.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredy_Perlman

... is a major source of inspiration for anti-civilisation perspectives in present-day anarchism.


Woops, go figure. ANARCHY NOW! :D

Are you sure you never new a guy my age by the name of Corbert Stepp (possibly misspelled)? At Finneytown High School, back around 1980, I helped him paint the school with Anarchy Now prints. How I escaped punishment for that I'll never know.

[markalot]

OK, poll time. This was the latest I could find, done after the cartoon fiasco.

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=253

http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/253-7.gif

http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/253-1.gif

http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/253-2.gif

So do you think those numbers have improved, or gotten worse?

[BigSugar]

Hamas now has complete control of Gaza and despite killing a bunch of Fatah leaders and soldiers execution style, has now declared "amnesty" for Fatah leaders.....yeah, right.

Hamas in Charge of Gaza (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians)

this quote seems to bear out what Gwar was saying about the Palestinian people in general:

A resident of a Hamas-dominated neighborhood, identifying himself only as Yousef for fear of reprisal by his neighbors, said Gazans would always back the winner, regardless of ideology.

"Today everybody is with Hamas because Hamas won the battle. If Fatah had won the battle they'd be with Fatah. We are a hungry people, we are with whoever gives us a bag of flour and a food coupon," said Yousef, 30. "Me, I'm with God and a bag of flour."