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REMgirl
08 Feb 2007, 01:07 PM
The US sent money to Iraq, wrapped in plastic bundles and shipped on wooden pallets. Does this make any sense?

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/06/iraq.cash.reut/index.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The Federal Reserve sent record payouts of more than $4 billion in cash to Baghdad on giant pallets aboard military planes shortly before the United States gave control back to Iraqis, lawmakers said Tuesday.

The money, which had been held by the United States, came from Iraqi oil exports, surplus dollars from the U.N.-run oil-for-food program and frozen assets belonging to the ousted Saddam Hussein regime.

Bills weighing a total of 363 tons were loaded onto military aircraft in the largest cash shipments ever made by the Federal Reserve, said Rep. Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"Who in their right mind would send 363 tons of cash into a war zone? But that's exactly what our government did," the California Democrat said during a hearing reviewing possible waste, fraud and abuse of funds in Iraq.

On December 12, 2003, $1.5 billion was shipped to Iraq, initially "the largest pay out of U.S. currency in Fed history," according to an e-mail cited by committee members.

It was followed by more than $2.4 billion on June 22, 2004, and $1.6 billion three days later. The CPA turned over sovereignty on June 30.

L. Paul Bremer, who as the administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority ran Iraq after initial combat operations ended, said the enormous shipments were done at the request of the Iraqi minister of finance.

"He said, 'I am concerned that I will not have the money to support the Iraqi government expenses for the first couple of months after we are sovereign. We won't have the mechanisms in place, I won't know how to get the money here,"' Bremer said.

"So these shipments were made at the explicit request of the Iraqi minister of finance to forward fund government expenses, a perfectly, seems to me, legitimate use of his money," Bremer told lawmakers.

Democrats led by Waxman also questioned whether the lack of oversight of $12 billion in Iraqi money that was disbursed by Bremer and the CPA somehow enabled insurgents to get their hands on the funds, possibly through falsifying names on the government payroll.

"I have no knowledge of monies being diverted. I would certainly be concerned if I thought they were," Bremer said. He pointed out that the problem of fake names on the payroll existed before the U.S.-led invasion.

The special inspector general for Iraqi reconstruction, Stuart Bowen, said in a January 2005 report that $8.8 billion was unaccounted for after being given to the Iraqi ministries.

"We were in the middle of a war, working in very difficult conditions, and we had to move quickly to get this Iraqi money working for the Iraqi people," Bremer told lawmakers. He said there was no banking system and it would have been impossible to apply modern accounting standards in the midst of a war.

Republicans argued that Bremer and the CPA staff did the best they could under the circumstances and accused Democrats of trying to score political points over the increasingly unpopular Iraq war.

"We are in a war against terrorists, to have a blame meeting isn't, in my opinion, constructive," said Rep. Dan Burton, an Indiana Republican.

:eek:

BigSugar
08 Feb 2007, 03:22 PM
i saw a giant plastic wrapped pallet of brand new $100 dollar bills at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving in DC on a trip a couple years back. picture a stack of hundreds 5 feet high, wide and deep. i shudder to think that it was probably in excess of 500 million dollars. on a wooden pallet. in saran wrap. sitting there laughing at me.

it had friends too......about 10 more pallets of the same. i could have used it to fund an insurgency.......i my pants! ;) :eek:

REMgirl
08 Feb 2007, 03:27 PM
I don't think they would have missed a couple of neatly wrapped bundles, do you? ;)

BigSugar
08 Feb 2007, 03:36 PM
they haven't so far.

ummmm......i mean. probably not. *whew!*

REMgirl
08 Feb 2007, 03:54 PM
You mean they didn't say, "Is that a billion dollars in your pants, or are you happy to see me?" :p

BigSugar
08 Feb 2007, 04:04 PM
You mean they didn't say, "Is that a billion dollars in your pants, or are you happy to see me?" :p

that's actually the secret pass question! unfortunately, i said "happy to see you" and as it turns out Elton John was the guard. that led to a very awkward 15 minutes.

REMgirl
08 Feb 2007, 04:11 PM
Good-bye Yellow Brick Road... :D

3rd Silo Record
08 Feb 2007, 04:26 PM
He's still standing...

Buzzstein
08 Feb 2007, 05:40 PM
hold me closer tiny dancer?

REMgirl
08 Feb 2007, 06:10 PM
hold me closer tiny dancer?

:D :D :D

Very good, Buzz!

REMgirl
08 Feb 2007, 07:11 PM
Literally tons of money. Dropped off like those bags of rice that the UN drops into drought-ravaged African countries, with little or no supervision.

The news and blogs showed men standing in front of tables loaded with those bundles of cash, waving them and smiling...no wonder the Iraqis think we're the biggest chumps in the world. We "held" their money for them, then just lobbed it over the fence when they needed it most. The jackals ran off with their future. :mad:

patio
08 Feb 2007, 09:03 PM
They had hearings about this in congress the other day. A lot of that money went to paying back wages owed by the Iraqi government. Because they had a lack of Iraqi currency they were forced to use American. If it weren't for these moneys there would be a lot more poor Iraqis.

Fourthisto
08 Feb 2007, 09:21 PM
It was a refund for all the crappy ass weapons we've sold them through the years. No wonder we're sending in more troops soon to help "collect" it all back. Call them the External Revenue Secret Service. And pray they never come calling.

classicgrrl
08 Feb 2007, 09:22 PM
surely in heaven there is a better way getting it to them then shipping it via wooden pallet wrapped in saran wrap?

Obviously this little piece was NOT part of the Security Act.
:rolleyes:

patio
08 Feb 2007, 09:33 PM
No kidding, they should have just sent it electronically to their bank accounts... :confused:

akip
08 Feb 2007, 09:37 PM
problem is, there's no accounting for most of it. that's a shitload of money to go, well, no, sorry, we didn't keep track.

patio
08 Feb 2007, 09:44 PM
Yes, but whats the alternative?

akip
08 Feb 2007, 09:48 PM
somebody had to dole it out. each doling out should've been recorded, like in any organization. how much, to whom, for what: $2,000 to pay mohammed x for back wages in iraqi national guard or whatever.

or did they just throw it off the back of a tank while people dived for it?

juggles
08 Feb 2007, 10:21 PM
surely in heaven there is a better way getting it to them then shipping it via wooden pallet wrapped in saran wrap?

:rolleyes:

Agreed. It's well known that massive amounts of cash stay fresher longer in Tupperware.

silentpaul
09 Feb 2007, 11:44 AM
Agreed. It's well known that massive amounts of cash stay fresher longer in Tupperware.
It's how I transport my money. Though it's difficult trying to fit Tupperware into my back pocket. They don't fold as easily as wallets...

ThomasC
09 Feb 2007, 11:48 AM
Agreed. It's well known that massive amounts of cash stay fresher longer in Tupperware.
Add silica, and the freshness never ends!