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markalot
03 Oct 2006, 10:57 AM
So first we elarn last week that Iran is having enrichment issues, their centrifuges are overheating. Sudenly they want France to do the enrichment IN Iran. How clever. So you guys come over and do the enrichment (aka show us how). Cool?

I hope France doesn't fall for this but if they do don't be suprised if we have a very negative reaction to it.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061003/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear_7

By ANGELA CHARLTON, Associated Press Writer

A top Iranian nuclear official proposed Tuesday that France create a consortium to enrich uranium in Iran, saying that could satisfy international demands for outside oversight of Tehran's nuclear program.

French officials distanced themselves from the idea, which an analyst called an Iranian attempt to stall or divert attention from mounting tensions over its nuclear activities.

Mohammad Saeedi, deputy chief of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, made the proposal in an interview with French radio in Tehran, suggesting that France's state-controlled nuclear company and one of its subsidiaries be partners in the consortium. He did not specify what form Iran's participation should take.

"To be able to arrive at a solution, we have just had an idea. We propose that France create a consortium for the production in Iran of enriched uranium," Saeedi told France-Info in the interview broadcast Tuesday.

"France, through the companies Eurodif and Areva, could control in a tangible way our enrichment activities," he added.

France is the world's most nuclear energy-dependent country, relying on atomic reactors for about 75 percent of its electricity, and it has several leading nuclear manufacturers, including state-controlled Areva.

Eurodif is a branch of Areva that was created in the 1970s by France with support from Belgium, Spain, Italy — and Iran.

French Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei said he was surprised by the idea, which he called "totally new for us."

Mattei said any proposals should wait until after negotiations are under way and emphasized that the current priority was talks between Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani and European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

Solana gave a cautious response to the proposal, saying the idea of a consortium had long been discussed in his talks with Larijani.

"It's an idea that was talked about lightly, maybe now we can talk about it more seriously," he said.

Saeedi's proposal echoed a similar idea involving Russia. Moscow had sought to defuse the dispute with Iran by offering to conduct all of Iran's enrichment on Russian soil, but Tehran has refused.

The five permanent U.N. Security Council members — the United States, France, Britain, Russia and China — and Germany are in a standoff with Iran over its enrichment program, which Tehran insists is aimed at producing electricity but which the U.S. and its allies fear is aimed at making nuclear weapons.

Larijani was to hold talks Tuesday in Tehran with the head of Russia's Security Council. Immediate sanctions, favored by the U.S. and Britain, have been resisted by France, to some extent, and by Russia and China — both major commercial partners of Iran.

Georges Le Guelte, a nuclear expert at France's Institute for International and Strategic Research, called Saeedi's announcement "a diversion tactic."

He said the international community was unlikely to agree to such a deal because the enrichment would still take place on Iranian territory.

"This is something that would be almost as dangerous as leaving the Iranians to do it alone," he said. "The day that (Iran's president) thinks the international situation would permit, he will show Areva and Eurodif the door and say, 'Now I will take care of the plant.'"

Iranian media made no mention of the proposal, and the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran declined to comment.

Areva spokesman Charles Hufnagel expressed surprise at Saeedi's announcement.

"We are not involved in any negotiations" about a possible consortium for enriching Iranian uranium, he said. He added that any discussions involving nuclear cooperation with Iran would be at the government level because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Iran's participation in Eurodif was reduced after the 1979 revolution, and now Iran has a "purely financial" stake of about 11 percent through a joint French-Iranian company called Sofidif, Hufnagel said.

Saeedi gave no other details of his proposal, and it was not clear when he made his comments to France-Info.

France, a veto-wielding member of the Security Council, is among countries pushing to stop Iran's nuclear activities.

Iran ignored a U.N. Security Council deadline in August to suspend uranium enrichment or face possible sanctions.

Russia is building the Islamic republic's first nuclear power plant in the southern port of Bushehr under an $800 million contract. Moscow says it has worked out a deal with Iran for all of Bushehr's spent fuel to be sent to Russia, eliminating the possibility that Iran could reprocess it for weapons.

Duemellon
03 Oct 2006, 11:14 AM
Doesn't "fall for it"?

Isn't that what was wanted? Having someone else do the enrichment & supply them with non-weapons grade with supervision?

markalot
03 Oct 2006, 11:52 AM
Yes, as long as it's not IN Iran. They want someone to come TO Iran to do the enrichment.

Duemellon
03 Oct 2006, 12:14 PM
I dont get the concern.

If it's someone else's hands & someone else's reporting chain is involved, how does the location make a difference? Would it better if Iranian folks went to France to make their uranium enriched just to transport it across multiple borders, increasing the costs & possible security threats?

Who builds their mountian fortress in the valley believing it will be moved easily to the peaks?

markalot
03 Oct 2006, 12:19 PM
I dont get the concern.

If it's someone else's hands & someone else's reporting chain is involved, how does the location make a difference? Would it better if Iranian folks went to France to make their uranium enriched just to transport it across multiple borders, increasing the costs & possible security threats?

Who builds their mountian fortress in the valley believing it will be moved easily to the peaks?

The Iranians are having problems with the enrichment process, it's very difficult. If someone else came in to do it don't you think they might learn how to do it right?

Duemellon
03 Oct 2006, 01:34 PM
Yes. Isn't that fine?

What's so bad about them having civilian nuclear powerplants? I have an idea, instead of fighting with them over nuclear plants, why don't we help them use alternative fuels?

Like wind, solar, & others? I mean, really, why must they use the pollutive & risky source of nuclear? It's like, we're worried they'd get "the bomb" but aren't working towards solving the reason they're getting involved in nuclear tech.

We're more concerned they'll use a hunting rifle to kill us than we are about them getting something to eat.

markalot
03 Oct 2006, 01:38 PM
Of course Due, there is no reason to think Iran might want nukes in order to see Persia rise again.

Iran has shown no interest in alternative energy. Lots of offers for all kinds of things have been put on the table. Is it because they don't like alternative energy or is it because they can't build a bomb with alternative energy?

Duemellon
03 Oct 2006, 01:44 PM
I'm more inclined to believe the offers for "alternate energy" weren't pursued by other countries. They want energy & they want it NOW.

As for the fear of them getting a bomb, why worry? What ever happened to MAD?

classicgrrl
03 Oct 2006, 03:18 PM
I'm more inclined to believe the offers for "alternate energy" weren't pursued by other countries. They want energy & they want it NOW.

As for the fear of them getting a bomb, why worry? What ever happened to MAD?

MAD?

Mothers Against Doodee?

I don't get it...

seafoamgreen
03 Oct 2006, 03:24 PM
As for the fear of them getting a bomb, why worry? What ever happened to MAD?

MAD is really circling the drain as far as security experts are concerned. Especially if command and control is not strictly limited to the upper echelons of government. I heard one person make the case for Iran as a nuclear power having a stabilizing effect on the region, but i think that's fairly marginal.

BigSugar
03 Oct 2006, 04:46 PM
in related news, General Mills asks the Rabbit to oversee it's bowl of Trix.

DaHood
03 Oct 2006, 06:34 PM
in related news, General Mills asks the Rabbit to oversee it's bowl of Trix.
HAHA!!!

You know BS, if I may call you BS :p I swear I find you more and more entertaining with each post. :D

patio
03 Oct 2006, 06:44 PM
Yes. Isn't that fine?

What's so bad about them having civilian nuclear powerplants? I have an idea, instead of fighting with them over nuclear plants, why don't we help them use alternative fuels?

Like wind, solar, & others? I mean, really, why must they use the pollutive & risky source of nuclear? It's like, we're worried they'd get "the bomb" but aren't working towards solving the reason they're getting involved in nuclear tech.

We're more concerned they'll use a hunting rifle to kill us than we are about them getting something to eat.

Because those methods of energy production still suck. Additionally nuclear power isn't very risky and yea it does pollute in the long run, but soon enough we will be able to cut down on the nuclear waste by recycling spent fuel.

ThomasC
04 Oct 2006, 01:12 PM
WOOHOO!!! Iran is opening up its nuke sites to foreign tourists! I just booked my plane ticket to Tehran, is anyone else going?

Iran invites tourists to nuke sites (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15128790/)

monkey neck
04 Oct 2006, 09:52 PM
Iran invites tourists to nuke sites (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15128790/)

Heh. I just read that as "Iran invites tourists to nuke sites", as in tourists will come and nuke their sites. I like that idea. Put me on the first plane.

Love the Trix analogy, BS. :D

DaHood
05 Oct 2006, 05:47 AM
Love the Trix analogy, BS. :D
Isn't that a gem? :D :D