Know any murderers?

[Smoker29]

My God is it weird to open the paper and see that someone you know has just killed someone. It's happened to me three times now.

#1) My roommate and friend form the Army stole a bunch of weapons from the armory and tried to get away. He killed two police officers before they killed him.

#2) A High School friend of mine (who I lost touch with) was in the paper a while back for strangling his date.

#3) A waitress I was semi-friends with (just part of a group I hung out with at a bar) just gunned down a well respected professor/home remodeler in Hamilton.

It's just such a weird feeling when somebody you know goes off the deep end and murders somebody.

A friend of mine said she went to school with Glen Rogers. (Hamilton Born Serial Killer) She said that she used to beat him up after school. I told her that she's probably one of the reasons he went frickin' mad. :rolleyes:

I guess it's much better to know the murderer than the murderee, so I'm not complaining.

[CtJester]

I'm......... just going to be running........ very far away from you now, Bob.

-ct 'Now Bob. Just because I was using your guitar pick to clean my teeth DOESN'T give you the right to try and kill me with your guit......Bob, put that down.....Bob? BOB! *thwack*' jester

[clemsonfan]

My 7th grade science teacher killed her husband.

[kcneon]

OK--maybe you just know like a bazillion people making the odds of knowing a killer greater. :eek: That's too weird!

[Docta]

damn bob, guess you could consider yourself lucky knowing all those killers and never having been the victim (sp?)

my grandmother graduated high school with jim jones, shew.

[cuddlyevil]

Arthur Shawcross (serial rapist/murderer in Rochester Ny) attended my middle school chorus/band concert after burying his last victim out behind the football field of my middle/high school. None of us knew who he was either until 2 years later when the police choppers flew over as they were searching behind our school and his face turned up on the news...talk about scary.

I've a friend from middle school who's spent a good deal of his life in the penal system, last i heard he was in for attempted murder...not sure if he's actually killed anyone, am sure it's possible though. made me glad he liked me...

[classicgrrl]

well I guess I wont be seeing anymore of Big In Iowa...

jeesh..
classic

[Miss Jane Doe]

a kid i went to elementary school with is in prison for murder, last i checked.
i may kill someone on the way home from work. not smoking is making me a nasty nasty bitch (even more so than usual).

[Smoker29]

You guys crack me up. No need to worry about me. I've got a big heart. I could never murder anyone. Unless of course they deserve it. :mad:

I just found it odd that I knew/know three murderers. Who'll be next I wonder?

[kickinitlive]

*hides the ice pick* yeah...me too

[Bronzetree]

Originally posted by Smoker29
#3) A waitress I was semi-friends with (just part of a group I hung out with at a bar) just gunned down a well respected professor/home remodeler in Hamilton.

Read about this in the paper today. Totally fucked up. She just walked up onto her porch while she was sitting there with a friend, shot her a couple times, went away, then came back a few minutes later and shot her two more times. I'm VERY curious to know the motive here, since there isn't an obvious one. If you find anything out before I do, Bob, post it on this thread.

As far as knowing murderers, I personally know none. However, I have several brushes with criminals.

Jammed with a guy a couple times who a few months later was arrested for having gobs of child porn in his house. Adrian something. Can't remember the last name.

My niece's half-brother robbed a bank.

Some chick I know's ex robbed a drive thru.

That's about it. No murderers yet.

[Bronzetree]

Originally posted by cuddlyevil
penal

Heh. You said penal.

[ksensa]

some guy i went to high school with killed a convenience store clerk. scary shit.

[eyeball]

a few years ago a young girl disappeared in Clermont county....they found her body buried in a shallow grave pretty far down in Ky....on my second cousin's land...he and his son picked her up and took her down there. they killed her. I've not heard the rest of the story by choice..

My cousin Barbara killed her boyfriend in Newport some years ago as well....to be related to a killer is awful.

[eyeball]

and I come from a family (note that my family is HUGE) of jail doers....my uncle has spent time in Leavenworth for knocking over a few stores....

[doctort13]

A former employee of mine was accused of mutilating another one of my employees. They had both worked for me when I was a manager of a Kinko's Copy Centre in Boston.
They were sort of boyfriend/girlfriend for a while. After I had transferred to another Kinko's they both moved back home to Florida.
Then in 1993, when we moved here I get a call from a D.A. in Florida telling me that the guy had snuck into the woman's apartment, raped her, then chopped her up...spreading the body parts all over her apartment. They wanted me to testify against him, but I continued to tell the D.A. (dumb ass) they were only part-time employees that I knew on a professional level as their manager. I didn't hang out with them nor talk about their relationship.
The D.A. tried to get me to say that the guy had a history of violent bevaior...maybe he did - maybe he didn't I didn't know him that well. Scary stuff...:(

[eyeball]

Though I didn't know her husband and actually had quit working there a couple months before...an ex-supervisor of mine was murdered by her husband. She was terrified of him. He followed her to work all the time and accused her (openly..in the parking lot) of cheating on him with her boss.

anyway, she didn't show up for work for a few day so her boss called her mother. Her mother went over to her house in blue ash and pounded on the doors...she heard a gun blast. After police got inside they found that he had shot her in the face through the bedroom door with a 12 guage shotgun (looked like she was running from him and had shut the door), put the dogs (2 huskies) in the garage and went about life as normal for 2 days. He drove both cars around so the neighbors didn't get suspicious....He killed himself when her mother showed up..

[classicgrrl]

Good god people, can we GET any more morbid? Bob what do you expect you sing a song about a dude who's head got chopped off by a train and rolls around in the bushes somewhere.

You guys are freakin' me out man, knock it off!:eek:
classic

[stpdgirl]

I don't know anyone that I can think of that murdered anyone. My aunt spent time in prison for trying to kill a cop, I never really knew her though. I also went to school with a guy named Scott Sizemore that tried to murder his GF a year or so ago outside a kroger in Hamilton. If I remember correctly, he stabbed her several times with a pocket knife before some on lookers tackled him off her.

Unfortunately, I usually know the victim. In junior high a kid I knew was shot with a shot gun in the chest (supposedly during a hunting accident) by his friend and buried in a watery shallow grave. A year or so later a guy that I was friends with was stabbed to death during an argument with a man on the sidewalk of a shopping plaza in Hamilton. The guy said it was a racially motivated argument and that he stabbed Lloyd in self-defense (Lloyd was white, the guy was black). My cousin was murdered in a bar fight about 10 years ago. He was only like 20 or so. He was beaten to death and then ran over with a car. Also, the lady that Smoker's waitress friend killed was my best friend's dad's boss. I had met her once or twice.

[Mona]

it was Colonel Mustard in the library with the candlestick!:eek:

[Smoker29]

Originally posted by classicgrrl
Good god people, can we GET any more morbid? Bob what do you expect you sing a song about a dude who's head got chopped off by a train and rolls around in the bushes somewhere.

You guys are freakin' me out man, knock it off!:eek:
classic

Ha! You're cracking me up Classic. In Joe's case, it was an accident, not Murder. They never found Joe's head you know?

Bronze: I'm really interested in the motive as well. She did this in broad daylight, and witnesses say that she was smiling the whole time. I knew Tonda for about 3 or 4 years while she was working at the Academy Bar & Grill in Hamilton. A couple of my really close friends worked there, so I was always around her. She was always sweet, caring and quiet. Funny at times. The latest I've heard is that she's going to represent herself. That's bad news! If anybody would like to read about this murder, check out these links:

The Cincinnati Enquirer Story (Not as detailed as the Journal Stories below) (http://enquirer.com/editions/2002/07/29/loc_professors_slaying.html)

Preservation Leader Shot To Death (http://www.journal-news.com/auto/feed/news/2002/07/28/1027833946.01415.8930.6641.html)

Employer describes suspect as meek. (http://www.journal-news.com/auto/feed/news/2002/07/29/1027918471.01415.9440.6769.html)

Suspect to represent herself. (http://www.journal-news.com/auto/feed/news/2002/07/29/1028000262.01415.6552.6890.html)

[MissKitty]

A coupla years ago a guy from Middletown murdered his girlfriend, hacked her up into bits in his basement, and then he, his mother and sister buried the body parts around a three state area. He was a "regular" customer at the music shop I worked at, and we used to chat quite a bit. I'd have never thought him capable of murder. Guess I'm not the greatest judge of character.

Also, the guy who is awaiting trial in Middletown for the rape of a six-year old girl worked for the same company I do. Not murder, but he's murdered that little girl's innocence.

[cuddlyevil]

Originally posted by Bronzetree


Heh. You said penal.

somehow, i figured you'd pick up on that :p

[classicgrrl]

Originally posted by Smoker29
Ha! You're cracking me up Classic. In Joe's case, it was an accident, not Murder. They never found Joe's head you know?


I KNOW - its still rolling around in the bushes...
you're just asking for creepy weird people to wind their way to you singing songs like this!

probably strange that I actually like it
classic

[redbobsled]

Anyone know Della "Dante" Sutorius? You know, the crazy be-atch who murdered her fifth husband about 5 years or so ago?
I used to work out at the Symmes Township library, and apparently she used to come in all the time (before I started working there). Incidentally, she still has a fine on her library card....

[goofybastid]

I used to be good friends with the daughter of the franklin high school principal that tried to have his wife killed.
She was a great girl. Her mom was, too.

my partner's aunt used to date glenn rogers, like, right before he got caught...never knew her, though.

Jamie Lawson (the Middletown guy that hacked his girlfriend up & scattered the parts with his mom's help) tagged the ceiling in a Middletown bar: "Jamie Lawson was here--Catch me motherfuckers! HAHA [date]" A buddy of mine saved Jamie's best friend's life during a suicide attempt. nuts.

[eurotek1]

wierdness.
i read thru this thread and the thought 'gee i wish i was related to a murderer' flicked thru my brain. but then i was like, uh, what am i thinking? the morbid fascinations we all have.

it seems that i only know people who've committed suicide. it was wierd; i went to highschool with a ton of people who've committed suicide either in highschool or afterward. i can think of 4 people who killed themselves who i went to highschool with. and i know there's more.

i also had a cousin who was in the maffia for a while, but he'ss out now. and all he did was a lot of drugs.

that woman who shot the professor; she was renting from the professor, right?

[Smoker29]

Yes, she was renting and she was a former employee of the proff. I'm sure Tonda (murderer) had known her for a long time, because like I said, Tonda used to work at the Academy and most of Hamilton's finest used to hang out there.

I'm just very curious as to why she wants to represent herself now. That's crazy! I think we all just need to get some facts, but I'm sure they'll be unavailable for a while.

[eurotek1]

Anyone know Della "Dante" Sutorius? You know, the crazy be-atch who murdered her fifth husband about 5 years or so ago?

i missed that before....my mom's lung surgeon was dr sutorius' partner (dr. todd). while she was seeing dr todd, the murder happened. it was creepy.

[yoshomon]

Originally posted by Smoker29
#3) A waitress I was semi-friends with (just part of a group I hung out with at a bar) just gunned down a well respected professor/home remodeler in Hamilton.

I knew the professor who was murdered, and she was good friends with my grandfather.... it freaked the hell out of me.

[Smoker29]

I didn't know her, but I knew of her. I've been in several of the houses she restored. They were beautiful.

[failurefirst]

i've known some people killed by barges on the OH river. creepy, i tell ya. at first it sounds ridiculous to be hit by a massive moving object, but apparently they cause a strange current.

t.

[classicgrrl]

well I guess that ends my swimming in the OH River while the barges go by.

classic

[eyeball]

ewwwwww....have you swam in the river yet? icky.

[Mona]

do people who look like murderers count? i know a few of those...

[classicgrrl]

Originally posted by eyeball
ewwwwww....have you swam in the river yet? icky.

I used to when I was young. Somewhere in Indiana my dad would take us camping. Saw a tornado once touch down on the river - pretty cool lookin' with blues and greens sparking out of it.

Swam in the OH all the time. Watched the islands of trash float down...played in the wake of the barges. Played with my toenails after they turned yellow and began falling out (seriously kids this did happen).

yep, those were great times.
classic

[Bronzetree]

Originally posted by Smoker29
Bronze: I'm really interested in the motive as well. She did this in broad daylight, and witnesses say that she was smiling the whole time.

According to the news this morning, she rented an apartment from the victim and that this all somehow involves the movie The Matrix. All details weren't available, but that's what they've said so far. Can't wait to hear this.

[eurotek1]

and that this all somehow involves the movie The Matrix. All details weren't available, but that's what they've said so far

what the??!!?!!
i haven't heard anything about her being insane....????

getting weirder all the time....

edited to add this:
i found this:

Movie Obsession Blamed For Miami Professor's Murder
A written statement has revealed a woman accused of murdering a Miami University professor says it wasn't going to be her last. According to the statement, Tonda Ansley claimed she is obsessed by the movie, "The Matrix," and Sherry Corbett was just one of the people she was going to kill. Ansley was caught a short time after shooting Corbett on Tenth and Campbell streets in Hamilton Saturday afternoon. Ansley heads to court this morning for her preliminary hearing.

[Murphy]

On Channel 9 they mentioned that she believed there was a conspiracy against her, that Corbett and others (another MU professor and 2 doctors) were plotting for her demise. She said she believed that Corbett & others would drug her and take her places to interview her or conduct experiments on her or something, a la the Matrix, a movie she was apparently obsessed with.

Too weird.

[yoshomon]

Originally posted by Bronzetree
According to the news this morning, she rented an apartment from the victim and that this all somehow involves the movie The Matrix. All details weren't available, but that's what they've said so far. Can't wait to hear this.

Yep. She was planning on killing other people too. The whole Matrix thing makes it pretty obvious that she is/was completely out of her mind.

[Smoker29]

This thing took a twist that I didn't expect. Matrix??? Rumors were flying around about a lover's spat or that Tonda was being evicted, but Matrix???

Wow! I haven't seen her in 7 or 8 years so I guess she may have gone off the deep-end. Unless of course she's putting on an act for an insanity plea? Once again... Wow!

I did a search on her name and found out that her son is graduating with honors from Stephen T. Badin H.S. I feel sorry for him.

By the way, if you want to keep up with this story, you can read about it at:

http://www.journal-news.com

http://www.cincinnati.com

They've both had a new story every day since the Murder took place.

[bmxer43]

Sounds like a classic case of untreated paranoid schitzofrenia. (Yeah, I know I spelled that wrong.)

A guy in my 9th grade shop class (Gary something) killed a little girl. He sat next to me. :(

[Smem]

Didn't really know this person, but my boss' next door neighbor just killed his partner last night with a baseball bat.

[markusg]

I don't he's close to me? Someone in my neighborhood was killed yesterday as well, in price hill..

[Smem]

Same guy...it happened in Price Hill.

[babs]

I know Vince Doan and Tracy Baker.
They are the brothers that killed Carrie Culberson a few years ago. This trial is still the talk of Blanchester and at times, has the whole town at odds with each other.

[markusg]

Wow.. thats just a couple of houses down from me.. crazy.

[Bronzetree]

I lived in Price Hill up until nine months ago. Where'd this happen?

[CtJester]

Originally posted by Bronzetree
I lived in Price Hill up until nine months ago. Where'd this happen?

My sister & brother-in-law live 5 houses away from where this happened.

It was on Coronado towards the Blue Note side of the street (opposite end from Cleves Warsaw). I don't remember the house number. My sister called me to tell me what was going on.

-ct 'send in the robot' jester

[markusg]

It was 1020 I believe (available in the paper BTW). This is hardly the 'hood as well, nice tree lined street next off of Cleves Warsaw/Rapid run. Sigh.. I've yet to hear any real details.. I was oblivious while it happened, probably posting on here or something.

[Smem]

I haven't found much info about this in the media. Most of my info came from my manager. I don't think they really know much other than the fact that a guy is dead.

[Bronzetree]

My old stompin' grounds. Weird to hear that somebody gets murdered right by where you used to hang out. I recall someone was shot in the head and left lying in the front yard of an apartment building last summer right across the street from an apartment I lived in in Price Hill. Right behind the UDF at Glenway and Rutledge, which I lived next door to about three years ago.

[Smoker29]

Here is a new update on the Tonda Ansley / Sherry Corbett Case.

Wow, I'd really like to believe her, but after you read the story, I think you'll see why I can't.

http://www.journal-news.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed/news/2002/08/28/1030508011.24670.3881.3484.html

[Bronzetree]

Too much TV/movies + mind altering drugs (I believe she was likely the person doing the drugging) = whacko. Insane she may be, but if the insanity plea is upheld, it'll be a grave injustice.

[cuddlyevil]

I dunno, having seen the place in dayton where they put people who're ngri (not guilty by reason of insanity), it's not much of a picnic either...being on a men's forensic ward was the experience that put me off clinic practice in my psych. training. Though the old guy who hated women (he told us so) but had a girlfriend who visited him 3 times a week cracked me up...


but, I dunno if I believe that she's incompetent and did not know what we she was doing.

[RichmondVA]

A fool for a client. . .

This is why you should hire a lawyer:

She said she knew what she did was illegal.

D'OH! So much for the insanity defense. Sounds like she is lucid enough to stand trial as well.

[MsAtt]

this thread is fuckin' creepy...:eek:

[JesusPresley]

A relative of mine (my mom's cousin-I don't know what that makes him to me ) stabbed his mail-order bride 57 times - and only got 25 to life ! Every time he comes up for parole he writes my mom these insane letters asking her to appeal to the parole board on his behalf, she just throws the letters away, she's almost afraid to even touch them.

[slow-dog]

Well, Yoshomon perhaps, if he lives out his anarchist fantasies.

[Smoker29]

http://www.journal-news.com/brandx/local/journal-news/Weekend/Photos/p1.jpg


Ansley found not guilty by reason of insanity

By Jessica Brown

HAMILTON — Aggravated murder suspect Tonda Lynn Ansley was found not guilty by reason of insanity Tuesday in the shooting death of a Miami University professor.

The unusual ruling came after three independent psychologists found Ansley to have been legally insane at the time of the July 27, 2002 shooting of her former landlord Sherry Lee Corbett, 55, of Hamilton.

After receiving the concurring reports, the prosecution decided to stipulate to those documents and other evidence at a pretrial hearing Tuesday rather than take the case to trial next Monday.

The future of Ansley, 37, of Hamilton, will be discussed at a May 27 hearing before Butler County Common Pleas Court Judge Keith Spaeth.

Assistant Prosecutor Craig Hedric said if there had been even one conflicting opinion, he would have taken the case to trial. As it was, there was no point in putting everyone through that, he said.

“I regret the fact we had to do this, but when you have three psychologists all saying the same thing, pursuant to the statute we have to do this,” he said. “Corbett was very well loved, very respected in the community. But by law, this is what we have to do.”

Though both the prosecution and the defense stipulated that the act was “intentional and deliberate,” Spaeth said he had no other option based on the evidence.

“Three doctors (have reported) the defendant was unable to comprehend the wrongfullness of her actions and meets the definition of being legally insane a the time this horrible, tragic event occurred,” he said while making his ruling.

“This court is duty bound to follow the only evidence in this case... After careful consideration the court finds the defendant, by law, is not guilty by reason of insanity.”

Ansley did not react to the ruling, but broke down into tears a moment later as Spaeth expressed his sympathies to Corbett’s and Ansley’s families, which have “suffered immensely,” he said.

Tuesday’s ruling means Ansley will not go to prison. However, she will remain for at least the next two weeks in the Moritz Center, a Columbus maximum security mental health facility.

A decision at Ansley’s hearing may determine if she remains in the facility indefinitely.

Ansley appeared composed, attentive and articulate during Tuesday’s hearing. When Spaeth asked her if she was thinking clearly, she softly answered “yes I am.”

She was earlier diagnosed as having a delusional disorder and has been on potent anti-psychotic medication for several months.

Ansley’s older sister and brother-in-law attended the hearing but declined to comment afterward.

A rare ruling

The prosecution and defense said it is uncommon that an insanity plea is upheld.

“It’s very rare you’re going to get three (doctors) to all agree,” said Ansley’s attorney, Melynda Cook-Reich.

Hedric said he could recall only one other murder case in Butler County in which an insanity plea was upheld. Raymond Tanner was found not guilty by reason of insanity after he decapitated his wife on Valentine’s Day, 1990. After spending several years in a mental hospital, Tanner is now living in the Dayton area.

“When and if (Ansley) gets out would depend on what the doctors say,” Hedric said. “Our office can only deal with cards that have been laid by the state legislature. We have no choice. Ohio doesn’t have a guilty but insane (statute).”

None of Corbett’s friends or family were in court Tuesday, but Tom Nye, who worked with Corbett for years and now heads the Dayton Lane Historic District, said after the hearing that he has faith in the court’s decision.

“I have confidence in our judges and our judicial system that they did the right thing. To second guess them is really a moot point.”

A conspiracy theory

Corbett was shot multiple times in broad daylight in front of witnesses. Ansley was Corbett’s former tenant and employee.

Ansley told police and psychologists she believed Corbett, Corbett’s partner Robert Sherwin, and Ansley’s husband Brett Ansley were conspiring to kill her. Her delusions became more intense over the years and she began to connect many events that occurred in her life over the past decade to this conspiracy theory, according to the psychologists’ reports.

Ansley told psychologists she called the National Security Agency about the “big conspiracy,” but when it didn’t respond she decided she had to kill Corbett and the others herself, according to the reports.

“Over time Ms. Ansley became more and more committed to these bizarre beliefs. She acted on these bizarre beliefs with the intention of protecting herself,” stated Psychologist Nancy Schmidtgoessling in her report.

Ansley told another psychologist “ I never thought I had a mental condition. ... I just thought they were criminals,” according to the report.

Ansley’s only prior offenses were minor traffic violations.

A community changed

Corbett’s death shocked the community. Her memorial service drew a standing-room-only crowd. Friends described the popular professor and historic preservationist as vibrant and larger than life.

Nye said those who knew Corbett are moving on with their lives.

“Here in the neighborhood we haven’t dwelled on Ansley’s situation. Whatever happens to her it won’t bring Sherry back,” he said.

Instead, they are preparing for Sunday’s Dayton Lane May Promenade — a tour of historic homes and working on other neighborhood projects.

“We know that is what (Corbett) would like,” he said. “I think if she knew we were here wallowing in our misery she would give us a quick boot in the behind from the afterlife.”

[Smoker29]

Wow, she's making international news now too!

From the Gaurdian

The Matrix seems to have spawned other imitators. Last week in Ohio, a woman was found not guilty of killing the professor whose house she rented, on the grounds of insanity. Tonda Lynn Ansley, 37, said she had had dreams which turned out not to be dreams. The local prosecutor said that, "in her warped perception", the film played a part in the killing.

Here is the link to the article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,958840,00.html

[watusi]

i lived on the west coast a while back and while there, got to know a guitar player that i used to jam with occasionally.
this guy was one of those types that went to GIT (Guitar Institute of Technology) and could play a bazillion miles per hour.
after moving here, i was talking with a mutual friend that the guy got busted,along with his mother (!) for murdering his step brother!
the worst part(well,okay,being killed is The Worst part) was that they buried him on their property where we would hold said jam sessions...we were walking on the guys grave......
that really creeped me out....

[postfeminist]

Ok, so that was a bad play on words... but my question is about insanity pleas. I don't know much about the legal system, but i do know a lot about mental illness, and i guess i'm just curious about what people think when it comes to using insanity pleas...

discuss. :)

[cuddlyevil]

Pf, I think in many cases going for the NGRI (not guilty by reason of insanity) is justified. There are a lot of folks out there who do things that aren't in their right minds. But, I think it's misused within the legal realm at times--but it all depends on the circumstances of the case and the people involved.

I've visited the forensic ward of the state facility here in Dayton and from what I saw/heard there--the residents there are exactly where they need to be and the majority of them received an NGRI when they answered for their crimes...

[marshallnesta]

I live in a pretty ... " urban"...area. I played youth soccer and baseball and was friends with a kid who got killed about 3 months ago. He'd dropped after soph. year of highschool and started dealing. #3 months ago, a deal went bad. his friend was executed in a public housing parking lot. he ran and tried to jump a fence. cops found on the fence with 3 shots in him.

[eurotek1]

i'm not so sure how i feel about the NGRI thing. i mean, ok, obviously anyone who kills someone has issues, adn needs help and rehabilitation. but even if you're really mentally messed up and you commit a horrible crime, you've still committed a crime. treatment is needed, but i think some sort of consequence is too. the act of murder is still wrong. wrong actions bring consequences.

so what happens to ansley now? after a few weeks of 'treatment' will she be sent back out into the world?

[IPrayForSound]

I think EVERY court should have the optional decision of "insane but guilty". You get treatment, you get punished, and you get a record if it's decided that, while you may not have been totally yourself, there's enough evidence to suggest that you knew what you were doing was wrong or at least unfavorably viewed.

Also, to stay on topic, I don't know any murderers. Yet. *knocks on wood*

[shivui]

the sun shines through onto the city of hamilton very very brightly.
anybody remember when they found the torso in the river?
what's the story on that?

[cuddlyevil]

Originally posted by eurotek1
so what happens to ansley now? after a few weeks of 'treatment' will she be sent back out into the world?

I think that depends on the case and county where you live. Most the guys I mentioned in my post had been living there for several months or years (the guy who gave us the tour's roomie had been there 30 years) so it depends on your diagnosis--at least I would think.

[Bronzetree]

Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity is horseshit. You may be crazy, but you're still guilty. She gets a slap on the wrist because she's not right in the head (or can sell it as such to the docs), while the professor's still dead and her family has to suffer through this NGBRI bullshit. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Smoker29]

The funny thing that the papers haven't mentioned is that Tonda studied psycology in college. I just spoke with a girl yesterday who used to work with her at the Academy Bar & Grill and she said that Tonda was constantly complining about Sherry. That was 7 years before the murder.

Scary

[fotoguy]

Anyone know Della "Dante" Sutorius? You know, the crazy be-atch who murdered her fifth husband about 5 years or so ago?
I used to work out at the Symmes Township library, and apparently she used to come in all the time (before I started working there). Incidentally, she still has a fine on her library card....

I met Dante through the mail after seeing her story on the show 'Snapped'. My first impression of her from the show was that she is a truly sweet woman who could have never done what she was accused of. After communicating with her all this time, I am totally convinced that the doctor committed suicide. There is no way she could have done it. Dante is like an innocent child with not a bad thought in her head. The saying is 'Innocent UNTIL proven guilty'. It should be 'Innocent UNLESS proven guilty'. It is a fact that if the police cannot figure out anything else, you will be found guilty.

If you knew Dante - truly knew her - you would know that she is as sweet and innocent as a woman could be. Please don't be confused by the story thrown together by the prosecution. They could prove anything they wanted to, and convince people that it is real.

Dante is an innocent woman serving time for a horrible event (her husband's suicide) that she did not commit.

[Handy Smurf]

um...






so, yeah...

[Ikyoto]

A friend of mine said she went to school with Glen Rogers. (Hamilton Born Serial Killer) She said that she used to beat him up after school. I told her that she's probably one of the reasons he went frickin' mad. :rolleyes:


My mom and I were going over some of her parents old 8mm home movies, and there was one from my mom in 1st grade maybe, or kinder - can't remember. But one of her classmates in the video was one of Roger's victims. It was just very odd. that is all.

[akip]

there were a couple murder/suicides in my older brother's class, close together. somebody took out her toddler and herself with a shotgun; another guy, who everybody liked and considered easy-going, from a nice family, shot his girlfriend and himself over their break-up.

there was also the guy (same class) who was schizophrenic, hearing voices, and beat his baby to death.

anyway, for some reason that one graduating class had a bunch of tragedies.

[miami2112]

i believe i have two classmates in the big house for murder. odd how lives can be so different, huh?

[akip]

unless i'm forgetting someone, i knew three people who were murdered---two over drug deals, and the other one by her own brother.

[Jumpman]

I've known two people who were murdered. Actually I only knew one, my grandfather was murdered long before I was born. The other was my mom's best friend. She was stabbed on a Sunday when she went to fix up bulletin boards at the inner city school where she taught. I'll never forget my mom screaming when she found out from the morning news. :(

[Louisianagrl]

I used to work with a guy who is facing murder charges for allegedly killing his estranged wife in New Orleans. :D He was doing color analysis of the Saints and calling horse races and apparently was still married to his first wife while married to the second (read bigamy is a crime, even in Louisiana).

[Unrequited]

I knew a guy who played bass in a band in Chicago who tried to blow up his ex-girlfriend by leaving a rigged up toolbox in her driveway. Her neighbor took a look at it and tripped it, killing him. He had a wife and kids.

They sent the motherf***er off to Joliet for life, thank God.

[purdueman_in]

Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity is horseshit. You may be crazy, but you're still guilty. She gets a slap on the wrist because she's not right in the head (or can sell it as such to the docs)

In a word: bullshit. Believe it or not, insanity, and the inability to discern right from wrong, is a very real thing. Should we treat those that are mental incapable the same way we treat the person that kills in cold blood?

I'm not advocating allowing a "NGBRoI" to walk free, but we have to realize that there are indeed mental incompetent people who commit murders.

[1979]

I'm not advocating allowing a "NGBRoI" to walk free, but we have to realize that there are indeed mental incompetent people who commit murders.

I didn't realize that we abbreviated that. Took me a second to realize what you meant...

[purdueman_in]

I didn't realize that we abbreviated that. Took me a second to realize what you meant...


Sorry...I didn't feel like typing the whole phrase over, so I just put in an abbrev.

[Smoker29]

In a word: bullshit. Believe it or not, insanity, and the inability to discern right from wrong, is a very real thing. Should we treat those that are mental incapable the same way we treat the person that kills in cold blood?

I'm not advocating allowing a "NGBRoI" to walk free, but we have to realize that there are indeed mental incompetent people who commit murders.

This is what I love about message boards. You just quoted and replied to a post from 2003. Now that's a long time to wait for a response... :p

[purdueman_in]

This is what I love about message boards. You just quoted and replied to a post from 2003. Now that's a long time to wait for a response... :p

Yeah, I noticed that after the fact. I was HOPING no one else noticed.

Oops. Well, it *did* make me feel better. Still.... :o

[lutz]

Letttt's doooo the tiiiiiime waaaaaarp agaaaaaaaaain.

[the_birds]

My best friend and I both worked at the same High rise condominium. In the early 90's, there was a man that lived there who was about 48 or 50, he had a gorgeous girlfriend about 40, a Cadillac Allante, and owned a few hair salons. He was a nice guy, who was a good tipper.

One day I was driving into work and there was about 20 cop cars surrounding the building. This guy was fingered from a profile on America's Most Wanted. Back in Cali he had murdered his girlfriend and his girlfriends' best friend.

While he was awaiting trial, his girlfriend was elected to liquidate his belongings. My best friend bought a pair of his Cole Haans for $7. He wore those murderers' shoes for years.

[BOBROX123]

I knew Vince (http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/verdicts/doan.html) pretty well, back in the day.

[akip]

speaking of hair salons, my ex-hairdresser's salon-owner boyfriend was shot execution-style in a subway station in manhattan's chinatown---most probably a contract hit by his chinese gangster landlord, with whom he was embroiled in ugly legal battles. forgot about him.

[purple_octopus]

I don't think I know any murderers, but if the construction traffic doesn't get any better around here, all of you who have met me will be able to say you know one.

I think my sister has more run-ins with murderers than I do.

Growing up, there was a girl in my sister's class and we used to hang out at her house quite a bit. She lived just around the corner. Her dad was a police detective. This woman was murdered (and I mean brutally murdered), and the woman's boyfriend, who was also the detectives best friend confided in him that he did it. I think the detective got a book deal out of that one. I can't say I "knew" the murderer, although I'm pretty sure our mother did. The neighborhood was small enough that everyone knew everyone else.

My sister's best friend in high school was the cousin of Vincent Doan, who I still think should be out on an appeal.

One of my best friends from Ohio, who now lives in N. KY, is related to a murderer through marriage. Her cousin's husband was cheating on her, and got both women pregnant. He was walking down a road with the pregnant girlfriend (not the wife) and allegedly shoved her in front of a moving vehicle, killing her. He said it was an accident, that she jumped in front of the car, and no one could prove otherwise. Everyone thinks he did it. This same friend's other cousin was driving down I-71 (75? I don't remember), and his girlfriend shot him and then shot herself. At first news reports said he was the shooter, but it turned out to be the other way around. I swear to God, that girl's family is a portal into everything wierd. Or maybe that's just Ohio.

[eyeball]

about 9 years ago my old boss (at an embroidery place in mason---I had left the job just a few months before this happned) was murdered by her husband and then he killed himself. happened in blue ash off of cooper road in thier house.

he'd follow her all the time. the bigger boss would walk her to her car and one day he saw that and assumed they were sleeping together. we don't know for sure but he put her dogs in the garage (she had 2 very very protective huskys), and at some point she appeared to run from him and she shut her bedroom door facing the door. he shot her with a rifle through the door.

she didn't go to work the next day. no call. folks go to wondering. the next day same thing. no answer on her phone...no call from her so they looked up her mom's number. Her boss and her mother went to her house and they heard a gunshot go off. that was him killing himself. 2 days after he killed Rhonda. she was 30 at the time.

so horrible. I think about her every time I go past her street.

[akip]

i worry about a friend who has a psycho ex-husband, a creepy guy who won't let go. i once saw a bio of the green river killer and i told her the killer reminded me of her ex. scary thing was, she saw the same bio and had the exact same thought.

[BOBROX123]

About 7 years ago, my neighbor was having some issues, and tried to break into my house at 3:00 am. When the police arrived he told them that he had to killl me. He believed that I had kidnapped his daughter and was using her in a kiddie snuff film kind of thing, and was holding her in my basement. His daughter had actually been staying with his older daughter 20 miles away, and I had no basement. Still a scary moment.

[purdueman_in]

Now that is a spinal-shiver moment! Wow!

[motorcitygirl]

I used to volunteer at a domestic violence shelter when I was in college. I worked the overnight shift (10pm to 8am) so I got to know a lot of the women pretty well b/c a lot of them stayed up really late & when I wasn't talking to someone on the crisis line I would talk to the residents. Several of the women I met were later killed by their abusers. One was shot in the head in the parking lot of a strip-mall in broad daylight in front of her son. This is why we need tougher domestic violence laws & better services for survivors.


***edited to add: oh yeah, and one of the worst serial abusers we saw was the maintenance man for my apartment building. Luckily, he never caught on that I volunteered at the shelter. He used to whine to me about how his wife up and left him -- the wife who he'd almost killed half a dozen times.

[purdueman_in]

I used to volunteer at a domestic violence shelter <snip>

This is why we need tougher domestic violence laws & better services for survivors.


Word.

The largest domestic violence center in Indy is *really* hurting for money. That is nonsense, IMNSHO. They should never be hurting for money.

[jonbonjela]

once knew a murderer who was a regular customer at a pub i worked in , long time ago (yeah , we let 'em out if they're really good and it wasn't a bad murder or serial killer thing)
also had a killer confess to the vicar who was a regular customer of my own pub
i managed back in the mid '90's , only thing was , the murder was still unsolved and the guy never came in afterwards!