Oh the games CPD plays

[Duemellon]

So, aren't we all feeling so proud of our CPD & it's efforts to "clean up the streets" that have gotten out of control?

I know I am.

I feel so much safer knowing the police put together a special task force to deal with the increase of crime (in general) downtown & immediately surrounding area. I thought the problem was totally unmanageable, but thanks to them, they have turned it around with this new initiative with the help of new employees & special task force!

[frizgolf]

Decriminalize recreational drugs, and the thugs won't have so much turf to protect anymore. Witnesses and victims of turf related violence aren't talking, and that's frustrating police efforts to clean up the thug culture.
All you need to look at is the Prohibition era for precedent on this type of violence.
Decriminalize, hell, legalize. Remove the source of income for thugs.

[back2vinyl]

Decriminalize recreational drugs, and the thugs won't have so much turf to protect anymore. Witnesses and victims of turf related violence aren't talking, and that's frustrating police efforts to clean up the thug culture.
All you need to look at is the Prohibition era for precedent on this type of violence.
Decriminalize, hell, legalize. Remove the source of income for thugs.

Amen brother.

I believe we've had 33 homicides in Cincinnati so far this year. Other then the one where the guy emptied a clip into the other guy in front of City Hall in the middle of the afternoon and later turned himself in, has the CPD arrested anyone in connection with any of these crimes?

[Duemellon]

Let's review the history of the current police success:

Pre 2001
Since 1992, crime rates were steadily dropping in Cincinnati. In 1999, crime rate was at it's lowest since 1992. 2000 saw a slight increase.

Then, well, then came the riots in 2001.
The riots themselves were a jump in crime, but the amount of crime jumped dramatically. Shortly after the scrutiny & demands for Streicher to resign came in, the CPD felt "hurt" & "betrayed" by the very people they were trying to protect.

I guess history could've gone 2 different ways at this point:
The CPD could've taken responsibility for the event (Timothy Thomas), investigated it properly, been transparent, timely, & thorough, & even welcomed Federal scrutiny or,
The CPD could've acted like an insulted teenager & become passive-agressive by refusing to be responsible & openly flaunting thier desire to resist change, cooperation, while saying "Told you so" as things go down the drainWhich direction do you think the CPD went?

Fangman, the leader of the FOP at that time, specifically suggested a "work slowdown" shortly after the riots. He officially & repeatedly denies this, but his statements on record are slightly coded behavior instructions for his fellow cops.

The likely result happened:
Crime soared.

Interestingly, because the general public believed the police wouldn't've really issued a work slowdown, most people assumed the increase in crime was solely due to the riots. Interestingly, most of those who did know about their actions, actually supported it (because they feel an ineffective police force is still worth supporting).

So, just like an "A" student's grades drop after rebelling against her parents by skipping school & talking back to her teachers, the crime spiked upwards for the last few years.

Just like the former "A" student, they "got themselves together" again & started fighting crime again, reducing the crime rate by 29% in one month! Sure, sure, the crime rate at 29% less is still much higher than 1999, heck, still higher than 2000, but they just proved how much we needed them after withholding themselves for years.

So, those people who were never aware of the "unofficial" slowdown are proud of how their city is turning it around. Those people who were aware of the the slowdown, but supported the CPD are now saying "See what happens when you let cops be cops?" Why isn't anyone saying:

That was a really childish thing to do, holding the city hostage while pouting about being reprimanded for things you should've taken responsibility for. While you were throwing a tantrum, real crime happened to real people that you could've taken care of if you weren't trying to prove a point. Real murders happened & their lives can't be returned.

Why aren't we suing the police over this action, I just don't know.

29% decrease just to show you could've done it all along
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Thanks assholes

[Unrequited]

Cincinnati needs a new police chief, period. The fact that Streicher still has his job is a farce. I believe the majority of the rank and file police work their asses off at a difficult job, but the police leadership is a joke.

We'll be paying the price for that joke of a mayoral team (Luken and Lemmie) for a long time. All Luken cared about was showing up at photo-ops and banging young girls.

[back2vinyl]

Cincinnati needs a new police chief, period. The fact that Streicher still has his job is a farce. I believe the majority of the rank and file police work their asses off at a difficult job, but the police leadership is a joke.

We'll be paying the price for that joke of a mayoral team (Luken and Lemmie) for a long time. All Luken cared about was showing up at photo-ops and banging young girls.

I agree with you that the problems are at the top. Cincinnati has lacked good leadership for some time and I still hold out hope that Mallory will make some significant changes, but in the meantime Streicher still has a job. Go figure.

As for assholes, there are plenty on both sides of "the black community" verses "the city" issue drowning out people who might actually be interested in improving things. I use quotes because I don't know if the ones doing all the talking necessarily represent the people they claim to represent. There is so much noise, I don't know what to believe. In fact, I think it has become a big cluster fuck with individual players mainly trying to capitalize on the situation for their own benefit.

[Duemellon]

As for assholes, there are plenty on both sides of "the black community" verses "the city"...The difference, in my mind, is one of those are continually reinstated or replaced with recurring themes by the majority of voting population. The others are those who grabbed influence through getting the interest of others.

I guess, it's the difference between one group's mandate to serve the city being a clause for their employment & the reason they should take the office they have v. the other group that can pop up like weeds or be ordained through their own effort & like-minded supporters....mainly trying to capitalize on the situation for their own benefit.I tell ya what,...

Whenever I get into a situation where I'm involved with a commitee, or group, or talking with an elected official I'm in it for myself. I take the issues that are being dealt with & handle them as person because, well, they are personal.

That explains why I'm so passionate about it. Sure, it can make it seem like I'm doing some grandstanding or "look at me" but I'm not trying to create a better world for the kids, or future generations, I won't be around for them & there's a good chance I won't have any kids to reap the benefits. All this talk about "next generation it'll be better" does me no good right now. So, I'm in it for myself, sorry, that's the truth, & when it gets better for me I fully expect it will be better for the ensuing generations.

I'd love to see someone who doesn't take it personal take up the banner. Noting would turn this racism around quicker than those with majority power feeling the urgency & understanding the need to do something.

[back2vinyl]

Whenever I get into a situation where I'm involved with a commitee, or group, or talking with an elected official I'm in it for myself. I take the issues that are being dealt with & handle them as person because, well, they are personal.



Yeah, but by voicing your needs you not only improving a situation for yourself, you are likely improving it for others like you. I want the police force to to be more effective because a) I don't want to get shot/robbed whatever and b) I live in the city and I don't want to have my neighborhood become a worthless slum so I'm in if for myself too. I would argue that the changes we want will have a positive effect for the majority verses a smaller group (I hope) of ne'er-do-wells who are also in it for themselves and would like the police slow down to continue so they can keep business as usual.

Maybe the guys we need to keep an eye on are the ones who claim to not be looking out for themselves.

[ICONOCLAST420]

Decriminalize recreational drugs, and the thugs won't have so much turf to protect anymore. Witnesses and victims of turf related violence aren't talking, and that's frustrating police efforts to clean up the thug culture.
All you need to look at is the Prohibition era for precedent on this type of violence.
Decriminalize, hell, legalize. Remove the source of income for thugs.
Too bad the powers that be are totally lacking in common sense. Most drug related crime is caused by the illegal status of drugs and not the drugs themselves.

[frizgolf]

Black people never matter. Unless they're in the lines at Kings Island, then it just really holds the line up! (sorry, it's just not a due party until the frosty beverage arrives for an hour or two)
Feckin' Frost?
*head asplodes*

[frizgolf]

It was quick and painless.

[Duemellon]

Feckin' Frost?
*head asplodes*Even I'm stunned.

Welcome back Frosty (even if it was for that moment)