A New "Buffy: The Vampire Slayer", "Angel" and "Firefly" Thread [Archive]

thelunarbee

25 Nov 2002, 03:00 PM

Buffy the Vampire Slayer- I like the new season so far- they're doing a really good job at leaving the audience wanting more. However, the show is way too populated by ghosts. It's getting annoying- and they went too far when they killed Jonathon.

Angel- I like it better than Buffy anymore, which is strange because I didn't even like Angel until he got his own show. Although I was more than a bit grossed out at the Cordelia/ Conner thing. Shudder. Talk about Mrs. Robinson, or maybe more like Harold and Maude- such is the age difference/ ick factor.

Firefly- I have really given this show the benefit of the doubt, all the suspension of my disbelief that I could muster. But I'm all mustered out. The only reason I watch it now is because of Jayne- Adam Baldwin is such a good actor. All the other characters are boring or the actors try too hard to sound "old west." And I hate, hate, hate the captain. I think he's supposed to be a hard person to like, but still, not one redeeming quality. And the worst attempt at talking the talk. He cain't even say ain't right!

thelunarbee

25 Nov 2002, 03:07 PM

One more thing, in the spirit of Joss Whedon spreading himself too thin. First of all, I really want them to do "Ripper." I miss Giles.

Second, I really enjoy his comic book about the Vampire Slayer of the future, Fray. But WTF? There are only 8 issues and the release of number 7 got postponed from July to December. Although, from what I know about the comic world, they like to postpone things/ make you wait til you forget what you're waiting for. Anyway, wah, want Fray now already- and if it doesn't come out in December, well I guess I'll just scowl more at the TV during Firefly than I already do- assuming they haven't cancelled it yet.

venomousvaldez

05 Dec 2002, 07:09 PM

Wow, I feel like i'm home! I found me people who love these shows as much as me. I usually just stay in the local music thread.

In real life Cordy is pregnant and i hear they will incorporate her pregancy into the story line. so now, angel will have a grandbaby. jesus.

I loved last season on Buffy. I can't believe all the bad press it got. Spike is so hot, they should just air 1 hour every week with him just being naked! :p

i have yet, to see Firefly. the friday time slot is terrible for me. anyone got these on tape?

Juliana

05 Dec 2002, 07:21 PM

Spike is hot
he's too skinny this season though

I just found t his out, but apparently Lorne and Gru were in Columbus the other weekend for the COmic book convention thingy. Lorne hosted a Karaoke party for charity!

venomousvaldez

11 Dec 2002, 12:28 AM

Sad news, Glenn Quinn, who played "Doyle" in Angel, also "Mark" on Roseanne, passed away earlier this week. They're not saying its an overdose yet.

New Buffy next Tuesday! I was surprised, i thought we weren't getting anything new till January. :)

Juliana

11 Dec 2002, 04:02 PM

E! Online article about Glenn (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,10945,00.html)

venomousvaldez

12 Dec 2002, 12:36 AM

Upn offered SMG $750,000 per episode to stay beyond this season.

Would you watch it if Dawn was the herion next season?
As it is rumored that she is a slayer in training.

bwingrave

12 Dec 2002, 07:09 AM

I would. Buffy isn't the essential element in the show for me, tho she is important. I'm a big fan of the Whedon universe in general, so sure, I'd watch.

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yohann269

12 Dec 2002, 07:34 AM

Don't you think it would be tough to have a show called "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" without Buffy?

Juliana

12 Dec 2002, 08:39 AM

Isn't the "next slayer" not really the slayer til the new slayer dies? Besides, they explained before that the reason there wasn't a new slayer when Buffy died the other year was because of Faith being alive, and the actual next in the slayer lineage.

Of course, it's not like they've always stayed within the realm of lore they've created for the show.

venomousvaldez

12 Dec 2002, 03:07 PM

i would watch w/out buffy. She isn't one of my favorite characters to begin with. As long as Spike is still on the show, I'll watch. I'm already bummed that Anya will be leaving. And rumor has it that Faith is gonna die so one on the SIT will be activated. I'm crossing my fingers, it's not Dawn.

5 morn days till new buffdog!

On the ANGEL front, I heard that Sean Astin directed an episode entitled "Souless". All I know is Angelus is back to fight their demon, and Faith breaks out of prison. Go Sean!

bwingrave

12 Dec 2002, 05:54 PM

According to the 12/12/02 edition of USA Today, Firefly has been cancelled.

And according to Zap2it.com, on 12/20, Fox will air a 2-hour episode of the show at 8pm ET.

Enjoy it while you can.

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bwingrave

13 Dec 2002, 09:18 PM

The 12/20 airing of Firefly looks to be the series's first two episodes (which haven't aired yet) back-to-back. Maybe the creators had intended to introduce the show with a made-for-TV movie.

Also, I saw something on another board about a Columbus, Ohio party scheduled to coincide with next week's show. If anyone's interested, let me know and I'll try to dig up a link.

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bwingrave

14 Dec 2002, 06:03 AM

Another site Whedon fans, especially those who like Firefly : http://www.fireflyfans.net

The site includes info on chats and several message fora -- including one with info on the language spoken on Firefly.

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bwingrave

30 Dec 2002, 08:31 AM

The WB has begun running ads indicating that Angel will be moving to Wednesday nights, starting January 15th. I think it will be on at 9pm ET, opposite West Wing, but I'm not positive.

Also, for those (like me) who haven't seen Buffy from the beginning, the late-night weekend reruns will have the first episode of season one on in the wee hours of next Monday. In the Cincinnati area, you can catch "Welcome to the Hellmouth (Part I)" on Fox-19 at 1am next Monday.

Reruns from a later season (4 or 5, I think) are airing late Saturday (midnight between Saturday and Sunday) on Fox-19.

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Juliana

14 Jan 2003, 05:35 PM

I caught these in my stupid Entertainment newsletter

Buffy Faces Axe
Press Association

TV bosses plan to kill off cult show Buffy the Vampire Slayer following lacklustre ratings.

American station CBS says the long-running series, starring Sarah Michelle Gellar, is not expected to return for an eighth run.

"I wouldn't bet that it comes back," network chief Leslie Moonves told the Hollywood Reporter.

Gellar, who is married to her Scooby-Doo co-star Freddie Prinze Jr, is said to want to concentrate on her film career.

But Mr Moonves said the 25-year-old actress still "hasn't said no" to reprising her role as the vampire killer.

There may also be a spin-off series featuring some of the other Buffy characters, he said.

Angel Star Pregnant
World Entertainment News Network

CHARISMA CARPENTER is to have a baby - and her on-screen character will follow suit.

The ANGEL actress is due to give birth in March, though she kept the secret - and her shot gun wedding to DAMIAN HARDY - from television bosses. Now they have been forced to re-write the script, incorporating a naughty night of nookie for CORDELIA with Angel's teenage son CONNOR.

She says, "I am due to film on through March but I don't know if I will be able to... my waters might break on set! So far they have been camouflaging my condition by putting me in long coats."

venomousvaldez

14 Jan 2003, 09:52 PM

also, willow and wesley got engaged over the xmas break. (in real life)

i can't wait. tomorrow new angel. i've been biting nails for weeks!

venomousvaldez

15 Jan 2003, 10:05 PM

aww, got my angel fix. i feel satisfied.
does anyone else think the singer of the vines remind you of conner?

you have to check out this site. its the funniest damn thing i've ever read. its a buffy related site. www.livejournal.com/users/thefirstevil

bwingrave

31 Jan 2003, 09:47 PM

Spoiler Alert!

(Do not read the rest of this post unless you want info on this week's Angel.)

I really enjoyed the 1/29 episode. It reminded me of The Last Temptation of Christ. I like the way Whedon showed Angel's mind at work: everything ends up fine -- all the relationships are mended, the world is saved, but there's still this one problem..... and then he's jerked back to reality.

I'm looking forward to next week.

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venomousvaldez

01 Feb 2003, 01:14 PM

that was a great episode of angel! :D
it caught me, i didnt even suspect something was amiss. i picked up on clues, but i think i wanted to ignore it. except that whole angel/cordy doin the deed. i just dont like cordy. never have, even on buffy. however, i would not pass up on opp. to see angelcakes in action. ;)

so, faith the vampire slayer?? they say she's been approached for the spin off....thoughts??? (i do think she's the hotter of the two slayers.) i think it could work. since's she's a bad girl recently turned good, (we assume, being in jail for 2 yrs) she has a story arc, of redemption, finding herself, while giles and co. rebuild the watchers council and so forth. hey as long as spike is there, yummy yum yum.

which also leads me to think, who do you think is the hottest characters on angel/buffy?

buffy: spike, faith, anya, willow
Angel: angel, wesley, and fred if she gained about 20 lbs.

bwingrave

01 Feb 2003, 11:55 PM

Faith is someone I didn't really get, I guess. I mean, she's OK. I just don't see what the big deal is about her.

I've been catching the first season of Buffy on the Sunday latenight reruns; DB was really skinny, and SMG was definitely plumper. He put on some weight (a bit odd for an actor playing a vampire, if you ask me), and she lost some (understandable, with all the training her character was doing). It's just wild to see them look so different in the early episodes.

Hotness ratings:
BtVS: Dawn, Willow, Tara, Buffy
Angel: Fred (Yum!)

But I guess I should qualify those a bit. I thot Anya and Cordi were really attractive at first, but I guess they just annoy me now. And I feel like a bit of a sicko for finding Willow kinda cute in Season 1 -- she looks sooo young; she gets better looking as she matures. I can excuse my crush on Dawn because she reminds me so much of someone older I used to know. But yeah, I know she's annoying as hell sometimes.

Tara was just flat-out the coolest. I miss her a lot.

So would anyone be up for an Angel-watching mini-party some time in February?

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venomousvaldez

02 Feb 2003, 03:46 PM

So would anyone be up for an Angel-watching mini-party some time in February?

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i have friends come over for every buffy and angel. so i'm down one way or another.

*i'm glad that angel moved its time slot, cuz now i can watch alias on sundays.

trintdog

19 Feb 2003, 09:00 PM

just found this thread and being a mucho buffy fan..had to throw in some words. Gotta say, the season is shaping up to be exciting, a little pissed off about the whole Anya leaving thing, even though they have been writing her to be quite annoying lately..oh well...thats all for now

venomousvaldez

20 Feb 2003, 09:53 PM

100 questions with Joss Whedon http://www.slayage.com/news/030220-joss100qs.html

c-lando

26 Feb 2003, 12:41 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/26/television.buffy.reut/index.html

Piss...Piss....Piss!

Milkman Dan

26 Feb 2003, 03:13 PM

I saw this coming, and I don't even see the show any more since it moved to UPN.

Should they get a new Slayer? Bow out? Do more spin-offs?

These are the questions at hand. I for one would like them to go through with "Ripper", the show about just Giles.

Juliana

26 Feb 2003, 04:59 PM

Yahoo article (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030226/ap_on_en_tv/buffy_vampire_3)

I thought last night's episode was really good. I LOVE Andrew though.

trintdog

26 Feb 2003, 09:24 PM

Was a very good episode. Got to love the opening with anya asking andrew" why cant you masturbate like everyone else" while he was recording himself in the bathroom..classic, iam goin to miss her :)

venomousvaldez

27 Feb 2003, 05:04 AM

oh yeah, andrew is so fuckn funny.

what is the fate of buffdog.?smg is out, faith's spinoff wont happen cuz eliza has signed on to star in a new series. marti noxon is signed on to do another new series. but mutant enemy is still talking spinoff....willow perhaps? or kill faith and activate a sit... however, i dont like any of those sit's thats on the show already. maybe everyone whose contract isnt up yet (willow, spike, and xander) will go to angel if no spinoff happens. i dont know. i'm gonna go cry.

Milkman Dan

04 Mar 2003, 08:25 AM

I don't think they could have ALL of them goto Angel, it might get a little crowded. I would like the show to continue, but I think it's getting to a point where it might be better, nay wiser, if they just bowed out gracefully.

That's why I'm hoping this 5 part is it. It would be a much better way to go then Buffy dying then... coming back (though minus the latter part, it would have been alright).

Juliana

04 Mar 2003, 08:30 AM

Here is my theory

They said that the bad guy ("the beast") on Angel has a boss. I think his boss is the 1st. I think that it's some sort of distraction to keep Angel & co. from coming to Sunnydale to help Buffy & friends fight there.

I think they'll kill the beast or whatever, and then go help Buffy.

I don't know HOW, since Angelus is running around and Cordelia is...evil or something, but that's my theory so far.

bwingrave

05 Mar 2003, 08:50 PM

Looks like Cincinnati's WB-64 is postponing tonight's episode until 11pm or so, in order to show a basketball game. Try Dayton's WB-26, or catch the show later on tonight.

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Juliana

06 Mar 2003, 09:12 AM

Grr!

I had no idea until I sat down to watch it this morning. Did they actually air it last night after the stupid game, or are they planning on just showing it on another night?

If they're not, can somebody give me a synopsis of what went down on the show?

bwingrave

06 Mar 2003, 10:33 AM

I didn't find out myself until around 8:45. Good thing I was home.

WB 64 did air the episode, starting around 11pm, after the oh-so-entertaining game (final score: something like 100 to 44). I watched the show on the Dayton station. It was a bit fuzzy, but still very cool.

***Spoilers***

Episode Summary :

Wes and Gunn find the Lila in Angelus's arms and assume he's killed her. (But we know it was Cordi.) Angelus escapes. W and G take the body back to the hotel.

Wes decides he needs to get Faith in order to save Angel and save the world from the Beast and the Beast's boss. After Faith is nearly killed in prison by an assassin with a curved dagger, Wes comes and tells her she needs to break out. She does so, the two of them crashing thru a window and landing on a car about 30 feet below. Neither is hurt.

Lorne calls his enchantress babe friends and they help him cast a protection spell on the hotel. It seems to work.

Cordi talks and makes out with the Beast. Evidently, she is its master.

Wes takes Lila’s body to the hotel basement and sits with it, imagining what Lila might say if she were alive (or undead). Finally, he decapitates her, to prevent her possibly becoming a vampire.

Angelus meets with the Beast. He notices a small, sharp object in the room which looks like it's made of some rocky substance. (We know that the Beast has made this himself for his master.)

Wes, Faith, Conner and Gunn go looking for Angelus, with the idea that they will capture him and bring Angel back. Conner won't follow orders, so Faith orders Gunn to take him back to the hotel. Faith & Wes split up and go into a building where Angel is waiting for them. (Angel has heard on the street that there's a slayer in town. He calls Dawn and confirms that Buffy is still in Sunnydale, so he knows it must be Faith.) Wes takes on three vampires as Faith looks for Angelus. Then the Beast comes out, and Faith tries to take him on. She looks about ready to die, when the Beast suddenly stops fighting and makes a speech. During the speech, Angelus stabs him with the pointy rocky object. The Beast dies in a bright, crumbly mess.

The sunblock is removed. Still inside the building, Faith breaks a window and lies wounded in the sunlight, so Angelus can’t finish her off.

Back at the hotel, Conner tells Cordi he is impressed by Faith. Cordi responds, “We’re gonna have a baby” and starts making out with him.

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Milkman Dan

06 Mar 2003, 11:16 AM

Genious!

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So what is up with Cordi? I haven't seen Angel in about a year now... what exactly HAVE I missed (I dont care about spoilers or nothin', so if you just want to email me or something that would be grand... i'm just so confused!).

venomousvaldez

09 Mar 2003, 10:25 AM

thanks for posting the spoilers. i missed the episode. i went out to see saving ray, so i set my vcr to record the show. damn was i madder than hell when all i got was stupid basketball!

Well there has been rumors all season that both shows share the same enemy this year. but the cordy thing is throwing me for a loop. i'm trying to figure out when in the season she went evil. don't know if it was when she came back from her demonsion (pun intended) or if it was around the time of her bedding connor. my theory is running on her pregnancy being the major player in all of this. cuz chrisma has stated she won't miss a wink when she has this baby. she's gonna give birth and go right back to filming.
oh and that blade cordy killed lilah with, is the same knives the bringers have. is this the same type of knife that was pulled on faith in prison? on buffy, when slayers in training were getting killed left and right, how come they didn't go get faith to protect her, since she is the current slayer? i mean yeah i know they wanted her on angel first, but i think its stupid that issue wasn't addressed on buffy. but then again, i think for the most part the writing on the current season is awfully lame.

thelunarbee

11 Mar 2003, 10:06 AM

Spinoff

Again with the FRAY plug, I would like to see them make this comic book into a TV show. It is sort of a Buffy spinoff considering that Melaka Fray is a vampire slayer waaaaay into the future- sort of the Firefly future, but terrestrial. And she is the next slayer to be called after Buffy, which is interesting because that means a new slayer hasn't been called for a couple hundred years.

venomousvaldez

12 Mar 2003, 06:41 AM

that is a very interesting idea and the comic book would rock. however, she would have to be the next slayer called after faith, since their has been 2 slayers called since buffy. but they've been doing buffy comics for years. i'm waiting for the buffy cartoon. i seen the preliminary artwork, and it looks cool as hell.

Milkman Dan

12 Mar 2003, 09:22 AM

I had heard about that Buffy cartoon, all them just kickin' it in high school, but I think that project may be fa-gizzled.

Shame though, looked quite stylish.

Is Firefly still playing or did that burn out?

venomousvaldez

13 Mar 2003, 10:47 AM

firefly is gone. upn and the scifi channel passed on picking it up. i actually never caught an ep cuz of the time slot. fox are idiots.

ohmigod! it would be so cool if angel made faith a vampire. i dont think that will actually happen. but i thought it was a great ending.
since cordy is evil. i hope someone kills her. i've never liked her.

bwingrave

30 Mar 2003, 11:50 PM

This Tuesday's Buffy is a rerun of the episode on which Aimee Mann guests as a musician doing a gig at the Bronz.

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thelunarbee

01 Apr 2003, 05:51 PM

OK- venomousvaldez, yeah you're right- Melaka Fray would have to be called after Faith- but Faith was not mentioned by Mel's sort-of watcher- pretty cool guy, really, for a demon- looks sort of like "The Beast" from Angel. Mel has no watcher because, get this, all the watchers go crazy without anyone to watch. If you have not checked out this comic yet- I highly recommend it- there are 8 installments- although 7 and 8 have been postponed for over a year now. Anyway, check out the Dark Horse Comics (http://www.darkhorse.com) web site.

Regarding Firefly- I saw the original pilot and I was very pissed off- it was really good and if Fox had just left well enough alone, it would have been a great series. The original pilot made the episodes I had already seen better- which was cool because most of my complaints about them faded away.

thelunarbee

01 Apr 2003, 06:03 PM

I am far too obsessed about this, but this is what Fray#3 says about the last slayer- who I admit is not necessarily Buffy. But then, these are "facts" related in a distant future and they are sketchy at best.

"It was some hundreds of years ago, in the twenty-first century. What we know is this-- there was a battle. A Slayer, possibly with some mystical allies faced an apocalyptic army of demons. And when it was done... they were all gone. All demons, all magicks, banished from this earthly dimension. I do not know if she lived, but the demons, being gone, she was the last to be called."

This begs the question, "If there are no more demons, what happens on Angel?"
I pretty much figure that LA is its own dimension, so no worries there.

Milkman Dan

02 Apr 2003, 11:46 AM

It is an interesting theory, and it would be nice to see the comic over lap with the show... but that is rarely the case that different medias overlap each other. Most are usually in there own continuities.

It would be pretty sweet though... I should pick up the comic sometime and check it out.

Juliana

02 Apr 2003, 03:20 PM

My mom saw something on E news or someplace that the Buffy Spin-Off fell through, but Spike is coming over to Angel.

bwingrave

04 Apr 2003, 08:26 AM

E! Online's Buffy/Angel rumors (including quotes from several Buffy cast members) :

http://att.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2003/030404.html

venomousvaldez

10 Apr 2003, 02:40 PM

i am so feckN mad. last night angel, was the worst feckN episode i've ever saw. that woman ms. torres, is the worst actress EVER. she was so bad, she mad everyone else look terrible. i mean, i know the show is cheesy and all, but it reached new cheez heights last night. please kill her so damn fast!

i've never read any of the comics. however, i confess to have the first 4 comics of angel, purely for memorbilla rights. ;) i have read the christopher golden novels though. and the next one, tara (amber benson) is co authoring. can't wait.

thelunarbee

16 Apr 2003, 10:57 AM

I also hated that Angel episode until Fred was off on her own. I have always liked crazy Fred.

BtVS pissed me off so bad last night. Funny though, "Jasmine" on Angel was from Firefly. "Caleb" from Buffy was from Firefly. Hated them both. Especially what Caleb did- not gonna say what b/c I don't want to be a spoiler. But I was beyond mad. And this doesn't spoil anything, but Buffy needs to stop thinking she has all the answers and listen to people before she gets everyone killed.

As for Fray- note that I changed my sucky fuzzy avatar to a nice clean pic of Melaka Fray. It was about time!!!

Juliana

18 Apr 2003, 02:45 PM

I thought Buffy was SO good, but it sucks so bad!

I didn't see this week or last week's Angel, but I hear that they were bad, and that I didn't miss anything.

thelunarbee

21 Apr 2003, 02:25 PM

About the demise of BtVS...

The way this season has been going, I am glad it is the last. However, I hope there is a really good series finale. I saw part of an interview on E! and the cast and writers were saying how great it is going to be- "all fireworks and bubbles," to slightly misquote Alyson Hannigan. It better be as good as they are saying. But either way, it's not like it will be around for me to complain about next year. And that's the important thing.

trintdog

21 Apr 2003, 11:05 PM

*But either way, it's not like it will be around for me to complain about next year. And that's the important thing.*

I wouldn't worry, I am sure you will find something else to complain about, your good at it!

thelunarbee

22 Apr 2003, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by trintdog

I wouldn't worry, I am sure you will find something else to complain about, your good at it!

Grr Argh!

Milkman Dan

23 Apr 2003, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by trintdog
I wouldn't worry, I am sure you will find something else to complain about, your good at it!

[big lebowski]

Who the fuck is this guy?

[/big lebowski]

trintdog

23 Apr 2003, 06:36 AM

This guy is trint. now now now people, don't get your panties in a twist. My comment was not intended to be a vicious remark, but a joke...I am the last person to have any rights to comment of complainers, hope you didn't take any offense lunar bee :)

thelunarbee

24 Apr 2003, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by trintdog
This guy is trint. now now now people, don't get your panties in a twist. My comment was not intended to be a vicious remark, but a joke...I am the last person to have any rights to comment of complainers, hope you didn't take any offense lunar bee :)

Grr Argh.

Actually I have found that this type of joke doesn't translate well on the boards. Sarcasm seems to be a lost art form here, sadly.

How about that Angel last night? I am really liking this storyline right now. Hate Jasmine still. Do you ever get the feeling that they hire annoying people to portray annoying people- that it is not an act?

Milkman Dan

24 Apr 2003, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by thelunarbee
Do you ever get the feeling that they hire annoying people to portray annoying people- that it is not an act?

It's just a testament to they're fantastic casting job. Remember all the nerdy kids on Buffy that were witches? I bet they all were in real life. Nerds that is. They're probably aren't nerd witches...

I NEED to get back into the loop though... or at least buy Angel Season 1.

trintdog

25 Apr 2003, 09:01 PM

here is something you interesting ...This is the text of an E-Alert sent out by the Parent Television Council it contains Spoilers for the episode Dirty Girls:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mocks Christian Faith During Holy Week

PTC Denounces Show for Anti-Christian Bigotry

Today the Parents Television Council denounced UPN and the creative team behind Buffy the Vampire Slayer for insulting Christians during this, the most holy week of the year. Tuesday night’s episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer included a character, Caleb, who kills his followers, mocks the priestly robes, grossly manipulates Christian scripture, attempts to seduce girls and then kills them.

The PTC has criticized the series in the past for displaying scenes of graphic violence and inappropriate sex to its young teen audience.

In a formal statement, PTC President Brent Bozell said, “The timing of this episode was no accident. It was a bigoted slap in the face to Christians everywhere to include an evil priest who murders people while distorting Scripture and making a mockery of the Eucharist during Holy Week. Holy Week is a time when the networks could—and should—air programming that uplifts and celebrates people of all faiths. Instead, UPN chose to degrade the Christian faith with this highly inappropriate portrayal of a priest.”

Excerpts from the PTC Transcript of the 4/15/03 Episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer on UPN

Caleb, [character portraying a priest] “Drink of this, for it is my blood.” He drinks. “Ya know, I always loved the story of the last supper. The body and blood of Christ becoming rich, red wine. I recall as a boy, though, I couldn't help but think, what if you were at the Last Supper and you ordered the white? A nice oaky chardonnay or white zin. I mean, would he make that out of his lymph for someone?”

Caleb burns a girl with the cigarette lighter and then stabs her while saying, “Now that’s the cleansing vibe, Hallelujah!”

“UPN has clearly crossed the line with this anti-Christian bigotry,” added Bozell. “There is absolutely no reason to insult people of faith in this way, but Hollywood producers apparently don’t seem to care about mocking the Christian faith.”

Milkman Dan

26 Apr 2003, 11:40 AM

Brain... hurts... to much pain... to respond...

thelunarbee

29 Apr 2003, 07:44 AM

Whateva!
I'm still pissed about that "eye popping" scene. To hell with religious intolerance. (urgh- no pun intended) After all, when Caleb was Mal on Firefly, he said to the preacher, (to misquote) "You're welcome on the ship; God ain't." It's no secret how the producers feel about this subject. However, it being portrayed in such bold terms in that episode, I can see how people were upset. And I learned something from that article. Apparently there is a week that is holy than the others. Huh. And I call myself a "used to be Catholic."

bwingrave

10 May 2003, 02:42 PM

I really enjoyed the season finale of Angel. I'm hoping the show will be renewed. Would love to see what happens with this new turn of events.

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hlfzephyr

10 May 2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by bwingrave
I really enjoyed the season finale of Angel. I'm hoping the show will be renewed. Would love to see what happens with this new turn of events.

b

me too...Does anyone know when The WB is announcing it's fall schedule?

trintdog

10 May 2003, 06:01 PM

May 12 is when WB announces their fall line up

bwingrave

13 May 2003, 09:53 PM

All Things Considered, a program on public radio, ran a story this afternoon about "Buffy Studies". Article at http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1262180.html

(But note that the article's pic of the current cast includes Amber Benson.)

The article mentions a site called "Slayage" which purports to be "The Online International Journal of Buffy Studies". http://www.slayage.tv/

Also, from the WB site: Angel is back next season. Full story at http://www.thewb.com/PressRelease/Index/0,8341,114614,00.html

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hlfzephyr

14 May 2003, 10:46 AM

Yay! Angel is coming back for a 5th season! Spike is coming aboard too...this should be interesting....

thelunarbee

16 May 2003, 08:45 PM

What I wanna know is what major player on BtVS is gonna croak? Most everyone I've talked to is hoping for Dawn to die, but I think it's gonna be Xander, which sucks because he's the heart of the show.

Regarding Angel being renewed- thank goodness the WB did the right thing! I look forward to seeing the gang work at Wolfram & Hart, as well as the presence of Spike... just what LA needs, another vampire with a soul!

Did anyone see the Buffy Biography on A&E? I saw it, but it was sort of boring and I got the feeling that anyone not familiar with the show would have had no idea what they were talking about even though it seemed like they tried to condense the explanation into something compact and sensical.

Juliana

19 May 2003, 05:39 PM

Interview with Joss Wheadon (http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=122421)

Milkman Dan

20 May 2003, 11:32 AM

It's good to hear that Firefly isn't dead... I missed it the first run and definetly want to see it.

I love this man, by the way. His unrelenting passion for the fans is what makes me admire him the most. And his drive for perfection. And that men with receeding hairlines CAN indeed rock out.

CtJester

20 May 2003, 09:18 PM

After just watching the series finale of Buffy, I wonder if the whole 'Spike's going to Angel' move was just a ruse.

I'm not going to spoil the finale, but it was very good, with multiple deaths of major characters...

A solid 'A'.

-ct

Big Dog Daddy

21 May 2003, 08:31 AM

Good season fianle, but not a good series finale.

Don't get me wrong. I loved the episode. but it was left very open ended. I realize that they want to do movies or special episode in the future so you can't close the book for good. But it ended like they were coming back for another season next fall.

The humor in the begining between Spike and Angel was great. I loved that part as much as the ending.

I agree with jester.

A definite "A", 2 big thumbs up.

BDD

thelunarbee

21 May 2003, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by CtJester
After just watching the series finale of Buffy, I wonder if the whole 'Spike's going to Angel' move was just a ruse.

Yeah, my mom thinks that was a big ole stinking red herring, but I think in the Buffy-verse anything is possible and that Spike is gone but not forgotten, like Angel was. Like Angel was saying, he gets a soul, Spike gets a soul. So if Angel returned after going to hell, what's to stop Spike from following in his footsteps again? However, I am usually wrong about these things... and in this case, there was no "Magic Claddagh Ring."

Also, notice how glib Buffy and the Gang were about the deaths? It was like in the beginning when Willow and Xander's good pal Jesse died- no one mentions him, they just go on about their business as if he never existed. It was interesting to see the show going back to that... if that was indeed the intention.

IronyIs4Suckas

21 May 2003, 03:40 PM

The homestar reference was great.
It was nice to see Joss back writing and directing. I think there was a sense of humor and humanity that has been missing since year 4.

But, How the hell could they kill off anya?

Juliana

21 May 2003, 03:59 PM

The Trogdor thing was awesome. We had to hit rewind to make sure we heard it right.
***Spoilers***

SO glad Andrew lived, but it was really sad that Anya died "saving" him. I thought it looked like Andrew was going to be stabbed too, but I guess not.

I'm so confused about the Spike thing. If it was a red herring, it was a bad idea. There was no big revelation, where you went "oh, I guess he's not going to Angel afterall" it was more of a "huh?" thing, at least for us.

Why'd they make such a big thing of the junk with Willow ahead of time? They really didn't do much with it at all in the episode. It just seems like I heard all kinds of stuff, like how she was going to become this new persona named "Meadow" and it was going to be some big internal battle between good and evil and blah blah blah, but it was nothing.

I really do think that they effectively ended the series, and any possibility for a movie, especially multiple movies. If every potential is now a full on slayer, for the rest of forever, then that seems like pretty much it.

thelunarbee

21 May 2003, 04:23 PM

***SPOILERS***

I was so pissed that they not only killed Anya, but chopped her in half! Although I'm wondering, does that mean she'll grow new parts and there will be two Anyas? Nevermind, that was stupid. I can't believe Xander wasn't more upset about it- Andrew, though, he was in shock. At first I was thinking that Andrew ran and hid and that's how he survived, but then I realized that when Anya died, he must have gone postal and started shredding those goddamn bringers. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been the pile of bodies around Anya- and then Xander might have seen how she was killed, although the one eye might have prevented that.

Remember what Anya said in the penultimate episode? That humans are dumb b/c they know they're gonna die, but when it happens, they're always surprised. True for her as well, so it seemed.

Also, would someone please explain the significance of Trogdor as I have no clue what it means. Thanks!

bwingrave

21 May 2003, 05:27 PM

Juliana: Thanks for the link to the Joss interview. Good stuff.

My final episode viewing experience was subpar. I was out when it was on, so I set my VCR to tape. But Cincinnati's UPN affiliate is a crappy little low-power station, and the signal kept cutting in and out. So I know what happenned, but I missed a lot of the flow and some of the dialog. I'm looking forward to seeing the rerun. If any of you notice when it's going to air again, please post to the thread.

***Spoilers***

I'm confused about the Spike references here in the thread. I had read that Spike would be moving over to Angel, and now people seem to be in doubt about it. Why? I didn't see him get killed -- isn't it possible that he is still underground in Sunnydale somewhere, digging his way out?

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Juliana

21 May 2003, 05:32 PM

**Spoilers for Bwin***

It showed Spike getting...like burned up and disintegrating in the shaft of light (was it sunlight?).

bwingrave

21 May 2003, 06:34 PM

***Spoilers***

OK. I saw a second or two of that. Will have to look more closely when it runs again. But if they can bring people back from hell, from the dead, why not from the dust?

Here's an indication that Spike will be back on Angel, from an interview with Dave Greenwalt:
http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?31560

Also, check out the WB's official Angel page. James Masters is listed in the cast (second-billing to David Boreanaz), but Charisma Carpenter isn't. http://shorterlink.com/?9R1O4Z

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Edited to fix last URL

IronyIs4Suckas

21 May 2003, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by thelunarbee

Also, would someone please explain the significance of Trogdor as I have no clue what it means. Thanks! [/B]

Check this out.
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html

CtJester

21 May 2003, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by bwingrave
Angel[/i] page. James Masters is listed in the cast (second-billing to David Boreanaz), but Charisma Carpenter isn't. http://shorterlink.com/?9R1O4Z

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Edited to fix last URL

Also, Vincent Whatshisface (Conner) isn't on that list. I knew Charisma wasn't coming back, since she wanted to start on her family life, but she's supposed to make guest appearances.

I guess that leaves Amy Acker as the only female regular? I'll bet they add the Gwen character into the series as a replacement for the loss of Charisma....

-ct

thelunarbee

22 May 2003, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by CtJester

I guess that leaves Amy Acker as the only female regular? I'll bet they add the Gwen character into the series as a replacement for the loss of Charisma....

I agree about the Gwen thing- but why is Charisma not coming back? And not that I'm complaining b/c I was never a big Cordelia fan, but why was she barely in any episodes from last season? Oh, wait, you sorta explained why already, but hell, is there a link that will tell me more?

Also, I liked the Trogdor thingy, but I am still not too sure what I was watching... best not to question these things, I guess.

Juliana

23 May 2003, 02:56 PM

Has anybody checked this out yet? I did, just to see. All I can say is wow, these are some freaky ass people with a lot of extra money on their hands

Buffy Auction (http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/foxauction/)

bwingrave

23 May 2003, 08:04 PM

Caught Eliza Dushku on The Late Show with Conan O'Brian last night. She looked even better than she did on Buffy but, sadly, didn't mention the show at all. She was on to hype a new movie.

I'm sure this episode will run again, since Jim Carey was the first guest.

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Juliana

04 Jun 2003, 11:37 PM

Found this article on MSN

"Buffy the Vampire Slayer": Now from the e-mail I received I know many of you loved the series finale of "Buffy," so please remember that even if we don't agree, we can still be friends. Here's how I've been summing up the series finale: good, not great. Liked it, didn't love it. Wasn't enough for me, don't know if anything would have been. There was a lot to love in the series finale of "Buffy." Angel's poignant and humorous return (his petulance about having a soul first was hysterical), Spike's crude drawing of Angel on his punching bag (and calling him "tall, dark and forehead"), Andrew's Academy Award-like speech, Giles uttering the phrase "The earth is definitely doomed" (he said the exact same thing at the end of "The Harvest"), the slayerettes getting backbones, Willow's magic having the opposite effect on her ("Oh my goddess" indeed), and the final shot of Buffy standing in the glaring sunlight as a smile slowly came over her face. I loved that the ending was big and dramatic, with Buffy leaping buildings as they crashed in her wake and Sunnydale being destroyed. I didn't even mind the reaction (or lack thereof) to Anya's death. I remember when I first watched "Buffy," I was upset by Willow, Xander and Buffy's nonchalant reaction to Jesse's death. But this is the very essence of the show -- the humor with the tragedy, so the quippy one-liners about the mall being destroyed were in keeping with the tempo of the show. After all, they all went into battle knowing they could die.

So what didn't I like? Glad you asked. I think it needed to be two hours. After weeks of mostly talk and little action, the episode felt rushed. And as much as I enjoyed the scene between Faith and Principal Wood, I couldn't help thinking, "Stop wasting valuable time on characters who aren't in the opening credits." I needed more scenes between the four central characters. The scene in the high school between Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles came close, but wasn't enough. I really needed more of a reconciliation between Giles and Buffy. And it really bugged me that Spike's response to Buffy's declaration of love was "No, you don't, but thanks for saying so." I don't believe Buffy was in love with Spike, but I do believe that she loved him (after all, by her own admission, he was in her heart. And there's a strong argument to be made that they got together for one last shag the night before the final battle.) Did Spike say that to spare her? To free her? Or because he really didn't believe it was true?

But we did see Spike disappear into that amulet, an amulet straight from Wolfram & Hart. They brought back Darla, so no doubt they can bring back Spike (perhaps as a human?) so he and Angel can "wrastle it out" (and I sure wouldn't mind if there were oil involved). Other predictions: I think they kept Andrew alive for a reason, beside the obvious poignancy in his "Why didn't I die?" line. My guess is he'll be one of the first residents of Sunnydale to stop by "Angel."

Best Quotes

"Are you just going to come here and go all Dawson on me every time I have a boyfriend?" Buffy to Angel on the series finale of "Buffy."

"I use to be a highly respected watcher, and now I'm a wounded dwarf with the mystical strength of a doily." Giles while playing Dungeons and Dragons on "Buffy."

Amy Amatangelo

thelunarbee

05 Jun 2003, 08:45 AM

Wow! Someone sure boll weeviled their way into my head for that article! Hope that's all they took. *checks for missing dirty secrets*

thelunarbee

08 Jun 2003, 08:38 PM

Reason number 107 to read Fray, the comic about the Slayer of the future:

The scythe that Buffy uses in the final few episodes... is the same weapon that Melaka Fray uses to kill lurks in the future.
Sadly, Fray is done after the final issue (due in July) and there seem to be no plans to continue the series.

hlfzephyr

09 Jun 2003, 08:12 AM

Angel Season 2 is ready for pre-order on www.amazon.com
release date is scheduled for Sept. 2, 2003

bwingrave

01 Aug 2003, 06:28 PM

According to the Cincinnati UPN affiliate's website, the station (channel 25) will carry Angel, starting this fall.

I haven't been able to find any info on this, apart from the briefest mention at http://www.wbqc.com/programs.htm

I assume the show will be in syndication, with the first two or three seasons of the show airing on weekends. Or this could be a relic from when the network was pursuing Angel.

Would be excellent to see the series from the beginning tho.

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mr. satellite

03 Aug 2003, 05:42 PM

WBQC tv25 will start airing Angel and Buffy in syndication on 9/22.

bwingrave

03 Aug 2003, 09:04 PM

Cool. Thanks for the info.

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thelunarbee

06 Aug 2003, 08:58 AM

In an interview, Joss Whedon mentioned that he hadn't yet given up on Firefly. It seems the low-rated show is going to DVD, which will include un-seen episodes. You can pre-order it on Amazon.com. Don't worry about the "this title is not currently available" message. The release date isn't until Dec 9th.

Firefly DVD (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AQS0F/qid=1060178390/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-6302668-1116015?v=glance&s=dvd)

edited b/c i am a dumbass

bwingrave

06 Aug 2003, 08:15 PM

Sarah Michelle Gellar ("Buffy") won the Teen Choice Award for TV Actress (Drama/Action Adventure), beating the actresses listed below in the online polls. In her brief acceptance speech, she thanked the fans for being "amazing" and stated that the show was "for you".

Other Buffy nominations included James Marsters ("Spike") for TV Actor (Drama/Action Adventure), Alyson Hannigan ("Willow") for Sidekick, and the show itself for Drama/Action Adventure show.

I've now spent more time on this post than I did watching the TCA. The minute or two I did see of the show was bad, even as award shows go. Still, it was good to see someone associated with Buffy win something.

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P.S. Here are the other nominees in the TV Actress (Drama/Action Adventure) category:
Jessica Biel (7th Heaven)
Jennifer Garner (Alias)
Katie Holmes (Dawson's Creek)
Kristen Kreuk (Smallville)
Brittany Snow (American Dreams)
Tiffani Thiessen (Fastlane)
Emily Van Camp (Everwood)

bwingrave

08 Sep 2003, 10:08 PM

Finally got to see the full version of the last Buffy. Soooo much going on there.

I can see why people think Spike's gone for good. It would have made sense to kill him off. My current thought is that bringing him back ruins the continuity of his character, but Whedon's writing will no doubt change my mind.

I'm really looking forward to the Angel premier on October 1st.

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thelunarbee

09 Sep 2003, 07:55 AM

"Universal recently acquired the rights to "Firefly" from 20th Century Fox Television, where Whedon's Mutant Enemy Inc. production company has a television deal."

Firefly Movie (http://hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1969026)

I wonder how the hell they're gonna pull this off. But if it's anything like the way they put it on, only backwards, then I guess it will work.

bwingrave

17 Sep 2003, 08:35 PM

Cincinnati's UPN affiliate, Channel 25 (soon to be switching to 38, I believe) will air reruns of both Buffy: The Vampire Slayer and Angel on Saturday, September 27th from 8pm to 10pm ET. The Angel episode will be the show's pilot.

The station will air two different episodes of the shows the next day (Sunday, 9/28) beginning at 5pm.

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agate0ph0be

03 Oct 2005, 12:21 AM

Angel30

02 Oct 2006, 10:25 PM

Just finished watching the series... again. So nice to be able to watch on DVD. :D Every time I watch the show, I wish that I had been watching more t.v. at the time the show aired so that I could have been a supporter of the show. I gave up on Fox as a t.v. network after X-Files started going south (well that is when I stopped watching, American Idol probably convinced me what that network was all about :eek: ).

Anyway, there are so many questions that can't or won't be answered now. I want to know who Book was specifically so unless they do some sort of prequel to the last movie, I am guessing we won't find that one out (I haven't read any posts in this thread so maybe some people have already speculated).

I really wish that they could pick this series back up, though, I have a feeling it won't have that same feeling (I could and would like to be very wrong here). I would definitely settle for another movie should Joss getting a hankering. :cool: