So...why can't they burn THIS guy's church down?

[monkey neck]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/21/funeral.motorcyclists.ap/index.html

These idiots protest at soldiers' funerals. They take something like the belief that homosexuality is wrong and turn it into this?? I'm offended that they have the nerve to call themselves Christians.

Thankfully, there are groups like the Patriot Guard Riders to help squelch these morons.

[REMgirl]

Monkey Neck, for once I totally agree with you!

I can't even wrap my brain around the reasoning this so-called religious group uses to justify their outlandish behavior. If there's a God, they're all on their way to a very special level of hell.

[jneale]

“The church, Westboro Baptist Church, is not affiliated with a larger denomination and is made up mostly of Fred Phelps' extended family members.”

And this is the sad little fact that no many people realize – Phelps isn’t really a pastor and doesn’t really have a church – but I bet he has a tax exempt status.

I don’t know how you regulate what is and what is not a religion – but this guy is a kook & should be stopped.

[weeone]

Cheering and insisting that god killed soldiers because their country protects the rights of homosexuals (by the way, it does ??) pretty fucking psycho. One might venture to say it's terroristic. Do these protestors indirectly support Iraq so that our soldiers can go there and get blown up ? Again, by American standards, one might call these assholes terrorists.

[reddust]

I agree on all accounts monkey neck.

[berzerker]

What a bunch of fucktards. :mad:

[yoshomon]

This guy celebrated the deaths of those miners in WV and also celebrated the tsunami (because it hit countries that are popular vacation spots for gays?!). It's so ridiculous.

www.godhatesamerica.com is some funny shit. Somebody is gonna shoot the dude someday.

[butter_of_69]

I'd like to posit a theory... feel free to discuss or not as the case may be:

People like Phelps being around actually helps homosexual rights in this country more than hurting them.

[weeone]

butter, you have a tendancy of bringing up thought provoking debates :) I like the way you think.

[butter_of_69]

butter, you have a tendancy of bringing up thought provoking debates :) I like the way you think.

I like bringing them up, but I hate participating in them. Just like mom said, I can't ever finish anything I start. :( ;)

[weeone]

Well, I happen to think it's an optimistic thought that Americans would see the ridiculous nature of Phelps' and his followers' acts and re-evaluate their own values and opinions about how homosexuals are regarded and treated in society, leading them to acceptance and eventually peace. I love optimism.

[Shlep]

According the Fred Phelps, pretty much every calamity that befalls everyone everywhere is a result of Gods' wrath against gays. Not that I want to really try and wrap my head around this sort of skewed logic-- I fear any closer I get to understanding it brings me closer to being a complete idiot-- but I can't help but wonder why Gods' tremendous wrath against gays doesn't translate into more mishaps at gay bars, bathhouses, gyms, bookstores, and so on.

Phelps is a joke anyway; a bitter, twisted, substance-abusing scumbag who used to torture his own kids and may or may not be complicit in the death of one of his kids' fiancees who he didn't approve of. If people are going to insist on calling this asshole "Reverend," I insist that I be referred to going forward as "Archbishop Shlep I."

Anyway: bravo and big-ups to the Patriot Guard Riders. Part of me likes to think that a confrontation between Fred Phelps and his platoon of misguided douchebags taunting a dead soldier and a crowd of bikers would have more viscerally satisfying result (i.e. Fred Phelps getting beaten senseless), I applaud their restraint, which shows who the better people are.

[miami2112]

these ppl really exist? this isnt some kind of joke?

[berzerker]

-- but I can't help but wonder why Gods' tremendous wrath against gays doesn't translate into more mishaps at gay bars, bathhouses, gyms, bookstores, and so on...

I can't help but wonder why God's tremendous wrath against gays doesn't translate to there being no homosexuals.

[BigSugar]

sooooooooo.......if i were to take a .50 caliber sniper rifle and sit about 1000 yards from Phelps house and take his melon-head off one morning, i guess it would be God's divine punishment against Freddy for not protesting enough. I like it. i'm gonna need some PBJ sammiches and a 12 pack of Diet Ginger Ale. this might take a while.

[malheureux]

I can't help but wonder why God's tremendous wrath against gays doesn't translate to there being no homosexuals.
and i can't help but wonder why God's tremendous 'love' for all doesn't translate into there being no homosexual-hating 'christians'...
aren't they supposed to follow his example, what would jesus do and all that?

Shirley Phelps-Roper, a daughter of Fred Phelps and an attorney for the Topeka, Kansas-based church, said neither state laws nor the Patriot Guard can silence their message that God killed the soldiers because they fought for a country that embraces homosexuals.

"The scriptures are crystal clear that when God sets out to punish a nation, it is with the sword. An IED is just a broken-up sword," Phelps-Roper said. "Since that is his weapon of choice, our forum of choice has got to be a dead soldier's funeral."
this bitch had better hope that we never actually meet one day, s'all i'm saying. how far is ft. campbell from cincy, anyway?... :mad:

edit: thank god...
If I can point out the obvious, Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. That god doesn't make a man or woman a homosexual. No better or worse than any other sin.
thank you for saying this. i can't tell you how many times i've had this conversation with both protestant and catholics church-goers... this is the same damn thing as having premarital sex of any nature, regardless who with, or telling a lie, or whatever. there are no 'degrees' of sin, and that is in her 'crystal clear' scriptures - look it up. no wonder there is so much rage against the church --> people were taught to love the sinner, hate the sin, and this is what's happened... unbelievable.

[Dirk]

I read this article earlier today, and I really like what the bikers are doing. That being said, I find it pretty depressing that this has been going on for a while at homosexuals funerals and no one ever cared. But now that he is doing it at military funerals, we have everyone coming out against him, groups organizing to try and counteract him, and people trying to get laws passed to ban protestinbg at funerals. It was not a big deal when he was doing it to gays and people who died of AIDS (if I remember correctly, he was at Matthew Shepard's funeral), but when he does it to soldiers, suddenly we need to pass laws. I think that says a lot about America.

[yoshomon]

When they came to a town in the midwest that my friends live in, let's just say they had shit (as in poop) thrown at them.

Fags bash back!

[weeone]

thank you for saying this. i can't tell you how many times i've had this conversation with both protestant and catholics church-goers... this is the same damn thing as having premarital sex of any nature, regardless who with, or telling a lie, or whatever. there are no 'degrees' of sin, and that is in her 'crystal clear' scriptures - look it up. no wonder there is so much rage against the church --> people were taught to love the sinner, hate the sin, and this is what's happened... unbelievable.
I think berzerker was just rolling with Phelps' logic.

It may help to reiterate for those who haven't read the article that Phelps and his people are not protesting dead gay soldiers. Just dead soldiers, who may or may not be gay, who are fighting for a country who 'harbors' homosexuality.

[monkey neck]

sooooooooo.......if i were to take a .50 caliber sniper rifle and sit about 1000 yards from Phelps house and take his melon-head off one morning, i guess it would be God's divine punishment against Freddy for not protesting enough. I like it. i'm gonna need some PBJ sammiches and a 12 pack of Diet Ginger Ale. this might take a while.

Hey, I'll help. We should have just enough time to get back to your place before the muslims show up. :D

[monkey neck]

Why doesn't this hack protest at the funerals of thousands of people that die in car accidents every year? Is God carrying out his wrath on us that way too?

Once again, this is what scares people away from Christianity because they see this moron as its representative. So for those of you here, all "witnessing" aside, this Phelps dude is not a Christian, to state the obvious. :mad:

[weeone]

The necessity of the church though is a result of American culture reveling in sin.
Do you mean that we 'need' church because Americans 'sin' so much because they are 'encouraged' to do so by our society ? Just a little clarity, please.

[weeone]

No, Christians need/want the church because they are surrounded by sin and need support in their faith.
I believe that there's an economic component involved in organized religion, though I'm sure that there are people who are reaffirming their faiths and leading good lives as they pay up.

[george]

Why doesn't this hack protest at the funerals of thousands of people that die in car accidents every year?

He is looking for maximum exposure. He has found it in military formulas.

NPR played a snippet of the Phelps Family Singers at one of the funerals.

Sung to the tune of America the Beautiful:

"O wicked land of sodomites
Your World Trade Center’s gone
With crashing planes and burning flames
To hell their souls have flown
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land with a terrorist’s hand
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
Your Pentagon is square
With crashing plane and burning flames
They went to hell with flare
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land with his own hand
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
You’re running from yourselves
Your disobedience to God’s law
Has jeopardized your health (and wealth)
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land with a sniper’s hand
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
God struck the shuttle down
With body parts and broken hearts
He scattered them around (all over Texas)
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land with Columbia’s end
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
The flames are burning high
With dozens dying in the fires
God’s laughing at your cry
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He smote this land with a fiery hand
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
God burned Rhode Island down
They made a fag their Providence Mayor
God’s answer is profound
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He smote this land with his furious hand
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
Your laws are for the fags
Lady Justice has been stripped
She’s standing there in rags
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land
With fag lawyer’s hand
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
Your justice is a joke
Perversion is your rule of law
With one judicial stroke
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land
Corrupt judges at hand
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
The courts have gone to hell
The burning lust of filthy fags
Have judges in their spell
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land
No justice at hand
To show his sovereignty

O wicked land of sodomites
The Judge is at the door
He’ll hold the courts accountable
Their rulings he abhors
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land
A Texas wimp at hand
To show his sovereignty."

[djudge79]

that god sucks.

He is looking for maximum exposure. He has found it in military formulas.

NPR played a snippet of the Phelps Family Singers at one of the funerals.

Sung to the tune of America the Beautiful:

"O wicked land of sodomites
Your World Trade Center’s gone
With crashing planes and burning flames
To hell their souls have flown
America, America
God showed his wrath to thee
He cursed this land with a terrorist’s hand
To show his sovereignty


etc.

etc.

[weeone]

Sounds like a parody of a Frat fight song.

[malheureux]

these people are the ones who deserve to die, the hypocrites. this isn't even what God is about...

[weeone]

I'm not sure if you are implying something here, but most people who attend a church don't have a problem giving their tithe to pay church employees to keep the church running. That 10% is probably money well spent to them.
You aren't misunderstanding me. I was fairly explicit. People pay to go to church to reaffirm the beliefs that have been taught to them.

[hefty244]

Richard Wilbur, a retired police detective, said his Indiana Patriot Guard group only comes to funerals if invited by family. He said he has no problem with protests against the war but sees no place for objectors at a family's final goodbye to a soldier.


This is why this group is succesful where many others with good intentions fail. I lived at Ft. Campbell during the Afghanistan and the first two Iraq rotations and, unfortunately, attended serveral services. There were usually some people demonstrating across from the main gate during these memorial services (they hold one a month to remember all the Ft. Campbell soldiers that have passed-currently second Wed. of month I believe) and it is distracting regardless of their message. As good as it is that this group is acting to shield the families, it is great that they 'get it' and are there only if its OK with the family.
I'd like to posit a theory... feel free to discuss or not as the case may be:

People like Phelps being around actually helps homosexual rights in this country more than hurting them.

This "church" group was big news during the last memorial service and the local PRIDE & PFLAG groups organized alot of the local community members & groups to join forces. It was amazing to see conservative politicians, democratic party, republican party, church groups, wives groups, etc. all working closely with and being directed by the PFLAG and PRIDE groups. I hope alot of eyes were opened to the fact that people are people regardless of who they chose to go to bed with.

[weeone]

I would say it a little differently than that, but OK. The church to me is a little more than paying to have someone confirm what I think is right. There is support, community, friendship, etc. and part of that is giving a little to keep that available to those of us who want it.
I'm glad you have that support system in the church.

[monkey neck]

I would say it a little differently than that, but OK. The church to me is a little more than paying to have someone confirm what I think is right. There is support, community, friendship, etc. and part of that is giving a little to keep that available to those of us who want it.

And, of course, part of those tithes go to charitable causes as well. It's a tithe of the tithe, so to speak.

[monkey neck]

Monkey Neck, for once I totally agree with you!

See, I told you I can be pretty rational from time to time! ;)

[weeone]

It falls in line with some basic ideas in the old testament. You know, people do wrong and god punishes them for it.
Ahhh, so the Jews are 'wrong'.

[REMgirl]

"See, I told you I can be pretty rational from time to time!" Monkey Neck


And we are in agreement in a RELIGIOUS thread. I'm marking my calendar. Who knows when and if it will ever happen again.

;)

[juggles]

Typically, I hear the anti-gay religious crowd citing Levitcus 18:22 "thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination." Somehow, the rest of Leviticus seems to get relatively scant attention, such as 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beards." And don't forget the sin offering of a young bullock and the burnt offering of a ram in 16:3. Most of chapter 18 covers uncovering the nakedness of one's mother, daughter, son's wife, etc. all of which are bad things. Given the nature of Phelps' congregation, this section may need closer study. But also noteworthy is 19:18, "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord."

[juggles]

Oh, and to get on my political soapbox for a minute, I highly recommend Jimmy Carter's new book, Our Endangered Values , if you want a discussion of religion, morality and politics.

[weeone]

Two fool-proof ways to inspire me to leave a discussion: 1)arguing semantics and 2)busting out biblical references. Either one only says to me that you have nothing original or pertinent to contribute to the issue at hand.

[reddust]

I'm a Christian. So there's my slant right off the bat.

What I gather from scripture tells me God loves gay people just as much if not more than he does me. And as a Christian it's my calling to have the same attitude. Cool by me. That's all the Scripture allusion I'll use, weeone. ;)

I just would love to use a largely non-Christian forum to say that this Phelps goon does not speak for Christians.

I also read a great point about the lack of national attention to the atrocities at homosexual AIDS victims in the past. I find that just as offensive as anyone else. Why does Phelp's hate get more attention? There are many left-wingers that feel that Phelps does define the Christians of this country, and don't mind adding to the misconception.

Well I could rant on, but the bottom line is that I can only speak for myself. And Phelp's doesn't come close to speaking for myself or anyone I know.

[juggles]

Two fool-proof ways to inspire me to leave a discussion: 1)arguing semantics and 2)busting out biblical references. Either one only says to me that you have nothing original or pertinent to contribute to the issue at hand.


Not sure who this was directed towards, but my point in busting out chapter and verse was to say that the bible, Leviticus in particular, is full to burstin' with all sorts of oddball things that aren't especially relevant to today's world and using selective bits and pieces to support your arguments (as I've generally heard the anti-gay crowd do) is absurd.

I am not, however going to broadly attack religion or religious people. I am not religious myself, but I'd say the vast majority of people of faith are completely unlike the hatemongers who get all the press.

[Shlep]

I just would love to use a largely non-Christian forum to say that this Phelps goon does not speak for Christians.

Anyone with a clue ought to know this.

You don't have to spend your life poring over scripture and doing cross-theologicalstudies of other belief systems to know all major systems of belief, properly taught, properly followed, and properly applied stress compassion, kindess, tolerance, and forgiveness. Religion is supposed to be God's way-- whatever name or form one chooses to give God-- of exhorting us to rise above our baser instincts and destructive tendencies and be better people.

Anyone claiming that they can point to the Bible, the Qu'ran, the Talmud, or some such book and find proof that the writings contained within prove that they are superior human beings with a monopoly on infallible truth and/or given by same a license to hate is either an asshole with an agenda or just misguided.

I believe there may very well be a Hell, and the God I like to think exists-- if He does condemn people there-- keep its fires burning hot for guys like Fred Phelps.

[reddust]

Anyone with a clue ought to know this.
I'm fully aware that a lot of my post is obvious, but it also happens to be my opinion. Hating gays and being a republican seems to be part of the basic stereotype of what a Christian is. The stereotype is not of radicals like Phelps, but of someone with a more mild form of intolerance that is equally unacceptable; like ignoring the same disrespect at a homosexual AIDS victim's funeral.

It's a stereotype I'm trying to escape.

[Shlep]

I'm fully aware that a lot of my post is obvious, but it also happens to be my opinion.

And I agree with you pretty much completely.

[despondent]

It wouldn't shock me if Phelps is a closet homosexual struggling with his own sexuality. Anyone seen 'American Beauty'?

[despondent]

I don't know if this is directed at me, but I don't mean any harm.

I wish I could get everybody who is uneasy with Christianity to go to church and see that it is a place of love. To see that no judgement is passed on Phelps, gays, or any other person because humans are in no position to judge each other.
I have no problem with Christianity. Jesus was a Buddha. Just one of many.

[the happy prole]

I don't think it's necessary as a Christian to distance yourself from Phelps.

Then again, I don't think it's necessary as a Muslim to have to distance yourself from Al Qaeda. :p

[OldManIndieKid]

The good reverend Phelps is a nutjob. His group also protested at the funeral of Matthew Shepard (a gay guy who was beaten and left to die, tied to a fence in Wyoming). The Matthew Shepard story, by the way, is depicted in the documentary "The Laramie Project". This documentary is now being performed by some schools as a play (amidst much protest from the Conservative Right, I might add). But I digress. That could be fodder for an entirely new thread.

If anyone needs any more evidence that this guy just isn't right in the head, check out his church's website, http://www.godhatesfags.com What a bunch of morons.

[weeone]

I wish I could get everybody who is uneasy with Christianity to go to church and see that it is a place of love. To see that no judgement is passed on Phelps, gays, or any other person because humans are in no position to judge each other.
I was raised in the Catholic church, went to Catholic school, and it's not and has never been something that inspires me. I am glad that the church/temple/mosque/shrine/etc is a positive tool and experience for some people, but I think religion fosters ugly divides among humanity, and often this divide manifests itself in greed, power and money.

Incidentally, when I go to church for whatever family event, I really like the experience, the smells, the sounds. The sensational qualities of places of worship are far more inspirational than the religions intended to be observed within.

[markalot]

Religion seems to foster good things in advance societies and bad things in less advanced ones. Religion is the perfect filler for a pocket of ignorance.

[uselesstomato]

Hey, I'll help. We should have just enough time to get back to your place before the muslims show up. :D

too late

im here



now... hand over your pb n j... im hungry dammit!

:p

[gwar469]

I was raised in the Catholic church, went to Catholic school, and it's not and has never been something that inspires me. I am glad that the church/temple/mosque/shrine/etc is a positive tool and experience for some people, but I think religion fosters ugly divides among humanity, and often this divide manifests itself in greed, power and money.


i had the exact same upbringing as you, weeone, and an almost identical viewpoint on religion. must be part of the "recovering catholic" thing.

just one slight difference between us: i used to think religion was to blame for the ugly divides you mention, but after getting to know several Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc. in the past few years, i'm thinking this isn't entirely true. religion may seem to be the catalyst for the ugly divides, but the people who are involved in the greed, power, and money in religion would be that way in any endeavor in their life. they just happen to use religion. these leaders are spouting intolerance, hatred, greed, and taking full advantage of the beliefs of people. at the other end, you have lost souls...people looking for acceptance, guidance, community. they will take whatever their leaders tell them as "truth" and run with it. this cycle leads to the apparent human divides. i don't blame religion for this, but much deeper economic and social problems. religion just happens to be the common ground.

among all the various religious friends i have, they all have the same base belief -- love everyone, regardless of differences. anything other than that is a corrupted belief, created by assholes for personal gain.

[weeone]

I agree, thecurves. The shitheads are going to be shitheads regardless of the venue. Religion just happens to be a very common haven for them.

[jneale]

Religion is a wonderful thing – UNTIL one religion starts thinking they are the one TRUE faith. You can’t have a reasonable dialogue with any group if they take the stance that they have the only true answer & in the end of days the world will end but THEY will survive in the glory of God.

[monkey neck]

too late

im here



now... hand over your pb n j... im hungry dammit!

:p

Heh. Dang party crasher. ;)

[ICONOCLAST420]

It wouldn't shock me if Phelps is a closet homosexual struggling with his own sexuality. Anyone seen 'American Beauty'?
I have thought that about gaybashers myself. One day Phelps will be arrested for cruising the restroom at a park somewhere.

[Jumpman]

I don't know if any of you ever watched "The Awful Truth" the short lived show on Bravo by Michael Moore. I know many of you don't like him or his films, but i must say, love him or hate him, the episode where he confronted that fuckwit Phelps with a big pink "Sodomobile" full of gay people was sheer brilliance. I will forever love MM if only for that.

[weeone]

Agreed Jumpman. Michael Moore was a victim of his own hype. Poor thing. He has good ideas, poor execution, zero diplomacy. Very fun to watch the trainwreck, however.

[weeone]

I think nonreligious people cause a lot more problems, particularly culturally, in the world than religious people. Accepting Christ into your life does wonders. It's freeing.

I think Michael Moore makes propaganda films to fatten his wallet. I saw a great documentary about Christian music recently (called "Why Should The Devil Have All The Good Music") and its everything documentary film should be. Not great visually, but tough on its subjects while being fair and honest. Not a bash session for cheap laughs and shock value.

Ah, and what was that you were saying about judging ?

[weeone]

Who am I passing judgement on little one?
ye who are not religious and ye who are large documentary film makers, o curvy one. I'm not in the market to argue on judging and not judging, as I am fairly fond of judgery. It has its merits.

Are you here on a mission, o curvacious jihadist ?

If I accept Tuna as my savior, am I wrong ? Even if the Tuna Divine leads me to the righteous path- a path of charity, good will, and selfless carwashing ?

[weeone]

Does it make you feel better about yourself?
You're the pompous ass making your forum debut quoting Christ and Ian Mackaye.

[purple_octopus]

I don't know why you mock me and hate religion so much, but I will pray for you and all the heathens to see the light. I can't imagine what pleasure one would get out of judging another. What merit is there in the act? Does it make you feel better about yourself?
Weeone is not hateful. I am Christian and she has been nothing but good to me. You're the one proselytizing when you should be respecting people's differences. How dare you call her or anyone else a heathen. You're the one judging. Does self-righteousness make you feel better? Judge not, lest YOU be judged.

I agree that there are many people on these boards that are prejudiced against people of faith. Weeone is not one of them. I understand your desire to express that Phelps, et. al. do not represent your religion. But you lose all credibility when you start acting like a self-important prick and look down on people who don't believe the same way you do.

[PrfctTimeOfDay]

I read this article earlier today, and I really like what the bikers are doing. That being said, I find it pretty depressing that this has been going on for a while at homosexuals funerals and no one ever cared. But now that he is doing it at military funerals, we have everyone coming out against him, groups organizing to try and counteract him, and people trying to get laws passed to ban protestinbg at funerals. It was not a big deal when he was doing it to gays and people who died of AIDS (if I remember correctly, he was at Matthew Shepard's funeral), but when he does it to soldiers, suddenly we need to pass laws. I think that says a lot about America.

I just went through and read this whole thread--all 4 pages of it and I'm STILL shocked that no one has discussed this! But then again, I think it goes back to the original intent of the post in the USA gay men and women still live in a totalitarian society...and that's sad for a so-called free nation.

Now, onto evil phelps... I watched one of the laramie project movies and they where re-enacting the funeral scene and phelps and his cult were protesting....and the the next thing I know a group of people dress as angels came and stood in front of phelps with extended wings to cover his group and his signs of hate. I'll enclose the pic....anyway, when I saw that I openly and uncontrolable wept.

I guess a lot of straight people don't really understand what it's like to be gay and the simpliest things we have to think about or endure. I was weeping during the funeral scene, b/c I thought: what would my parents be thinking if they walked out of a funeral home ( if I had died) and saw signs saying I was in hell, or that god hates me. My parents don't aprrove or even accept me as a gay man, but I would never want them to endure something like this....it's just evil on every level....It saddens me that fred phelps is getting exposure now b/c of the soldiers funerals, when he's been doing this for so many years to gay men and women.

http://www.true-words.com/images/2002-03-08-inside-laramie.jpg

[weeone]

Now, onto evil phelps... I watched one of the laramie project movies and they where re-enacting the funeral scene and phelps and his cult were protesting....and the the next thing I know a group of people dress as angels came and stood in front of phelps with extended wings to cover his group and his signs of hate. I'll enclose the pic....anyway, when I saw that I openly and uncontrollably wept.

http://www.true-words.com/images/2002-03-08-inside-laramie.jpg
That is so chillingly beautiful.

And thanks, PO. You're my girl :)

[markalot]

You're the pompous ass making your forum debut quoting Christ and Ian Mackaye.

I'll pray for you too weeone.

Put your hand on the tv set.

[weeone]

I'll pray for you too weeone.Put your hand on the tv set.and place your other hand upon your checkbook...

Puh raze the jeebus

[the happy prole]

http://www.true-words.com/images/2002-03-08-inside-laramie.jpg

I found my soldier girl, she's so far away....

Seriously though, I think you all need to take it easy. I mean, we're human-- we all judge even when we try not to. And really it's okay to judge as long as you don't get too self-righteous.

I'm not religious, but I take no offense at being called a heathen. I seriously doubt that the the world's problems are caused by the non-religious because of the simple fact that the vast majority of the world IS religious. OTOH, I seriously doubt that the world's problems are caused by religion either. They're caused by human nature.

But I mean, that's just my opinion. No one's going to get converted here for sure, or even come to an agreement but I don't see any reason to be offended and up in each other's faces.

[weeone]

:d :d :d :d :d

[twentyshots]

I sure wish Jesus would just get here and straighten this garbage out.

[twentyshots]

I have certain beliefs but I tolerate all heathens.


what about fornicators? do you tolerate fornicators?

[markalot]

Word. I don't care to convert people to anything. I have certain beliefs but I tolerate all heathens. I am baffled by the anger I have felt since even very early in the thread.

earlier quote:

I think nonreligious people cause a lot more problems, particularly culturally, in the world than religious people. Accepting Christ into your life does wonders. It's freeing.

I saw that as combative. I think most non-religious people keep their mouths shut while only a few hard core atheists cause the majority of the problems. The statement seemed oddly out of place for someone who then went on to preach tolerance.

/shrug

Also, while the word heathen does have a definition and you can claim is accurate, it's a word made up by the religious to describe the un-religious and is quite a bit less than flattering.

hea·then

1.
1. One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
2. Such persons considered as a group; the unconverted.
2.
1. One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.
2. Such persons considered as a group.

[weeone]

http://images.art.com/images/products/regular/10055000/10055775.jpg
Oh, look at this post.

A recovering skinhead to boot. Looooooooooooovely. :confused:

[purple_octopus]

If curves is planning on sticking around then current events will get no more deleted posts from me.
Is that a threat or a promise? ;) :p

[weeone]

Meh. thecurves has to be a joke/alias. It's prettttty prettttty ridiculous/larry david.

No reason for anyone to leave.

what about fornicators? do you tolerate fornicators?
And bah hahahahaha. I missed this :D

Filthy fornicators fornicatin' on our good christian soil !

[purple_octopus]

Meh. thecurves has to be a joke/alias. It's prettttty prettttty ridiculous/larry david.

No reason for anyone to leave.
I agree. I suspected for a moment that it's fletch in disguise.

[weeone]

I agree. I suspected for a moment that it's fletch in disguise.
*oh oh oh*

in my dreams/dreamy

Poor fletch. We smoked him out.

[weeone]

Psychozilla is back.

for·ni·ca·tion (fôrn-kshn)
n. Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other.

It's not necessarily cheating. Dictionary.com is your best friend, thecurves.

[weeone]

I've got a black little heart. And many other incredible qualities :cool:

[Buzzstein]

I'm a heathen and proud of it.

Not too proud though.

[weeone]

Do what you must. It's a hard, cold world. Putting people on ignore on message boards is just one of those horrible things we must bear to protect ourselves from evil :p

[purple_octopus]

Lucky. No one ever brags about putting me on ignore.

[weeone]

Lucky. No one ever brags about putting me on ignore.
:cool: All in a day's work, po. All in a day's work. I hardly broke a sweat on that one ! :D

[purple_octopus]

Your vocabulary does not prevent you from being a Christian. Neither does being imperfect. In fact, that's the whole point of Christianity -- WE'RE NOT PERFECT.

[purple_octopus]

Still waiting. I will pray for you.
Please don't. I don't want God getting the wrong idea by associating me with you.

[purple_octopus]

I think God would say we are all his children, that I am your brother. But that is what a Christian would think.
We are all God's children, but I don't claim to think for God.

[markalot]

I think God would say we are all his children, that I am your brother. But that is what a Christian would think. Not that we aren't perfect. We are, because God created us. Certainly we sin, but we are no less perfect.

woops. Better go back and read the scripture again.

[weeone]

This is awesome. Now if I can figure out what thecurves means, I'll know who to thank for the amusement.

[purple_octopus]

woops. Better go back and read the scripture again.
Fletch doesn't read scripture, MaL. You know better than that.

[Dumb Hick]

Jesus is still alright with me.

[purple_octopus]

Matt. 5:48 - "you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect"

I don't want to quote scripture though. We sin, but god created us. He created us to be perfect and we sin.
There's a huge difference between what we're supposed to be and what we actually are. But if you think you're perfect... well, you just go on thinking that.

[purple_octopus]

Well, that is my belief. You can believe that we are not perfect if that is what you take from the bible. It's a little too negative for me though.
Have you, personally, *never* sinned?

Watch out, folks. This just might be the second coming!

[Dumb Hick]

Jesus is never mad at us if we live with Him in our hearts!

[purple_octopus]

Right! That is the positivity of a true Christian. Not sarcastic and potty mouthed.

It's so nice that God gave you the ability to see into the hearts of others, so that you can determine who the "true" Christians are.

[purple_octopus]

I don't dislike you, but you are a tad bit too negative for my tastes. Sorry.
Why don't you put me on ignore, then?

You're not fooling anyone, by the way.

[Dumb Hick]

Right! That is the positivity of a true Christian. Not sarcastic and potty mouthed.

Damn..is this guy fer real?

[gibby]

God bless sin. Without it I would surely be dead from boredom.

Weeone has a potty mouth
weeone has a potty mouth

[gwar469]

http://img108.exs.cx/img108/904/arseniosmall9xa.jpg

If lovin' the Lord is wrong, then I don't want to be right!!

[weeone]

Sorry guys. Evil this pure is god given. Not just any mere mortal gets to be ignored by the enlightened.


:D

[purple_octopus]

Ooh! Weeone is not on ignore! Burn!!!! :cool:

[gwar469]

is it possible for thecurves to love Homsar? i mean, he wasn't born from God, but brewed from a cup of coffee... :confused:

[weeone]

Ooh! Weeone is not on ignore! Burn!!!! :cool:
Damn it. I might have to break out the emergency demons.

[JSpaceman]

I was going to put you on ignore but I decided to love instead of ignore.

Plus I couldn't figure out the ignore function.

Plus god created you.

(trying not to laugh... trying not to laugh...)

[purple_octopus]

I knew all along you just wanted to be put on ignore. You are just looking for attention. Just know God loves you.
If you think that putting me on ignore would somehow garner extra attention, then I'm not surprised you can't figure out the ignore function.

[JSpaceman]

I can't find it. That is all. Doesn't matter. I think showing love to all people can be helpful.
Just click on the user name and then it'll go to a screen with the ignore function. I just put you on our Ignore Location Help Prayer Chain.

[Dumb Hick]

I think showing love to all people can be helpful.

I think giving beer to all people can be helpful 2.


Hell, even I can find the ignore button!

[gwar469]

with all this God talk, i'm surprised he hasn't made an appearance in this thread yet. or did he get voted off the boards? i can't remember.

[purple_octopus]

Don't worry, fletch. I'm sure GOD will make an appearance as soon as he realizes you're here.

[gwar469]

By the way you all have replied to me he probably got voted off the boards. Or is afraid.

no, God wouldn't be afraid. if he's still around, he'll be in here giving us a smacking and what-for. i thought he got voted to stick around.

[djudge79]

to thecurves credit, he is being pretty peaceful about this. my brief read through this thread makes me think he's confusing love with condescension, but he's showing some decent self-restraint. my suggestion to thecurves if he wants this to be a productive thread: love includes the attempt to understand the other person's point of view; there's nothing wrong with the worldview you're espousing here, but try to empathize a bit more and patronize a bit less. personally, the saying "hate the sin, love the sinner" makes me cringe a bit, but maybe trying to understand the sinner might make it easier for you to spread the love.

[djudge79]

Or perhaps people are confusing condescension with love? We live in a cynical world. I understand this. I don't understand all the hateful speech, beyond wanting to be put on ignore. I get other people's point of view...most don't believe in god and discredit what I say because I do. That is OK. I can not judge. I don't discredit.
where i'm from, whether it's fair or not, perception becomes reality and, in this case, i think people are perceiving you being condescending. again, fair or not. (i think the heathen comment with its various connotations was probably the start of it, though we don't need to rehash that).

[purple_octopus]

Fair enough, although I guess its more about winning an argument or being mean when people ignore your explanations. From my spot, PO and weeone just want to cause unwanted trouble with sarcasm, name calling, negativity, and accusations.
You started with the name-calling. I called you out on it and defended my friend. That's not starting trouble, that's doing the right thing. Frankly, this little caricature you're playing is a tad bit offensive. And it's quite transparent.

[purple_octopus]

Why can't you forgive like Christ would?
Forgive who for what?

[purple_octopus]

Forgive me for what you think I am saying. Every post of yours is an accusation of some sort, when I am saying nothing crazy.
Weeone is the person you should be asking forgiveness from. Not me. I have nothing against you. I just think fake alt accounts are annoying, fletch.

[djudge79]

I told you, heathen wasn't meant to be offensive. My intention wasn't to offend. It was to make a more concise statement. You know, rather then say "nonreligious people", I said heathens. Why can't you forgive like Christ would? And the trouble is when you say some really mean things, things I wish to not repeat.
FYI, it's typically not viewed to be a Xtian thing around here to sig someone in the middle of an argument like you've done with weeone. in fact, it's kind of comes off like a fork in the eye. and it doesn't suggest forgiveness.

[Dumb Hick]

Chuck Norris shall shoot all yer heathin' asses!

http://static.flickr.com/34/102303103_7cf7a9454d_o.gif

Chuck only forgiv with a gun and some powder.

hjehehehwe

[djudge79]

Weeone is the person you should be asking forgiveness from. Not me. I have nothing against you. I just think fake alt accounts are annoying, fletch.
do you actually think it's fletch? i don't know..... i don't think fletch could resist lashing out, or at least wouldn't have the self control to do it passive-aggressively. plus, he raged against religion like a wildman.

[gwar469]

Chuck Norris shall shoot all yer heathin' asses!

http://static.flickr.com/34/102303103_7cf7a9454d_o.gif

Chuck only forgiv with a gun and some powder.

hjehehehwe

thanks for this, hick. i was laughing so hard i was crying.

this whole thread has just become way too fucking weird. can't we just get back to what a prick this protesting douchebag is? everyone back to your corners!

[purple_octopus]

do you actually think it's fletch? i don't know..... i don't think fletch could resist lashing out, or at least wouldn't have the self control to do it passive-aggressively. plus, he raged against religion like a wildman.
Exactly. This curves guy can't be for real. It's just too satirical. This is fletch's ultimate insult on religion.

(Plus, I've said it five or six times now, and it's yet to be denied. ;))

[bjk15]

sooooooooo.......if i were to take a .50 caliber sniper rifle and sit about 1000 yards from Phelps house and take his melon-head off one morning, i guess it would be God's divine punishment against Freddy for not protesting enough. I like it. i'm gonna need some PBJ sammiches and a 12 pack of Diet Ginger Ale. this might take a while.
wait a sec, don't tell me you've actually been approved for one of those. what kind of walls can those shoot through again?

[djudge79]

Stop judging me djudge. Just kidding. I think it is a funny thing. Christ and Ian Mackaye in the same sentence? Come on. Bible says nothing of messageboards. It is a little hurtful that you are defending people who have done bad things but nitpicking every little thing about me, but I guess that comes with post count.
not here to be hurtful. i'm in an especially good mood today. otherwise, believe it or not i'd be coming off as much more of an asshole. more than just post counts, i like weeone and PO because they keep things interesting around here, like you're doing right now. i don't agree with them all the time (especially PO ;) ) and i've never met either, but i tend to assume they're good people. extremely opinionated good people.

[Dumb Hick]

Since 1940, the year Chuck Norris was born, roundhouse kick related deaths have increased 13,000 percent.

When Chuck Norris has sex with a man, it is not because he is gay, but because he has run out of women.

Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

Rather than being birthed like a normal child, Chuck Norris instead decided to punch his way out of his mother's womb. Shortly thereafter he grew a beard.

Chuck Norris lost his virginity before his dad did.

Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

There is no chin behind Chuck Norris' beard. There is only another fist.

If paper beats rock, rock beats scissors, and scissors beats paper, what beats all 3 at the same time? Answer: Chuck Norris.

If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris, you may be only seconds away from death.

On the 7th day, God rested.... Chuck Norris took over.

[djudge79]

Since 1940, the year Chuck Norris was born, roundhouse kick related deaths have increased 13,000 percent.

When Chuck Norris has sex with a man, it is not because he is gay, but because he has run out of women.

Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

Rather than being birthed like a normal child, Chuck Norris instead decided to punch his way out of his mother's womb. Shortly thereafter he grew a beard.

Chuck Norris lost his virginity before his dad did.

Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

There is no chin behind Chuck Norris' beard. There is only another fist.

If paper beats rock, rock beats scissors, and scissors beats paper, what beats all 3 at the same time? Answer: Chuck Norris.

If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris, you may be only seconds away from death.

On the 7th day, God rested.... Chuck Norris took over.
on that note, this heathen is out of here. (just fucking with ya thecurve)

[weeone]

Nothing to see here, folks. Nothing to see. Move along. Move along.

*scratches crotch and sniffs fingers while no one is looking*

[despondent]

I think God would say we are all his children, that I am your brother. But that is what a Christian would think. Not that we aren't perfect. We are, because God created us. Certainly we sin, but we are no less perfect.
Sin isn't real...it only exists in the mind. Others either shame or one shames themselves over the conceptual idea of "sin".

[bjk15]

Sin isn't real...it only exists in the mind. Others either shame or one shames themselves over the conceptual idea of "sin".
i don't understand what you are really saying, could you expound this statement further?

[despondent]

i don't understand what you are really saying, could you expound this statement further?
Sin, just as the idea of "right" and "wrong" do not actually exist. They are all concepts that our cognative minds have created to judge our actions against something. The "something" that we compare to is always open to opinion and subjectiveness. This is why it is not real. If one steadfastly holds on to a belief of what right or wrong is and is always comparing their or others conduct to those ideas, then they fail to see those actions as just "are". True morality comes about from trying to help others when possible, and if not possible then at the very least, not causing harm. Trying to conform to conceptual ideas only unnecessarily holds you back and keeps you from being truly free; especially free of mind and spirit.

[bjk15]

Sin, just as the idea of "right" and "wrong" do not actually exist. They are all concepts that our cognative minds have created to judge our actions against something. The "something" that we compare to is always open to opinion and subjectiveness. This is why it is not real. If one steadfastly holds on to a belief of what right or wrong is and is always comparing their or others conduct to those ideas, then they fail to see those actions as just "are". True morality comes about from trying to help others when possible, and if not possible then at the very least, not causing harm. Trying to conform to conceptual ideas only unnecessarily holds you back and keeps you from being truly free; especially free of mind and spirit.
hmm, interesting. embracing a belief set does not prevent you from being free if it is what you choose though... does it? there can be no such thing as even morality if one does not choose a belief set. personally, i think people just don't like being told what to do (i.e. selfishness rules and selfishness allows for true freedom). you can spin whatever way you want, but bottom line it comes down to how can it benefit yourself, either physically, mentally, or whatever-lly. again personally, to me true morality is when there is no self... and the three choices become more clear... not so gray if you will.

[despondent]

hmm, interesting. embracing a belief set does not prevent you from being free if it is what you choose though... does it? there can be no such thing as even morality if one does not choose a belief set. personally, i think people just don't like being told what to do (i.e. selfishness rules and selfishness allows for true freedom). you can spin whatever way you want, but bottom line it comes down to how can it benefit yourself, either physically, mentally, or whatever-lly. again personally, to me true morality is when there is no self... and the three choices become more clear... not so gray if you will.
That's just it...there really is no self. Self is just a byproduct of sentience. A tree for instance, knows no self and yet it is not any less "real" than we are.

[bjk15]

look, forget all of that philosophical and psychological bullshit. there is a self to every existence. life is not that simple to have no such thing as an identity. if i didn't believe that anything had an identity, then i would never care if anyone felt anything... death, love, whatever. personally, as much as it pains me, i want to feel, i want to know if i made the wrong decision. i know that life is the choices that you make and that theoretically there is no wrong b/c it was a path. but screw that, if in retrospect i learned that that was the wrong decision based upon where i wanted to be instead, then i will learn and i will adjust my thinking.

i guess, i'm just saying that if there is no self for any one/thing, then who will care that person/thing if it can no longer interact. to me, feeling is the only reason to live b/c who wants to be a friggin' robot and only through self can one have a point of view to feel.

[despondent]

look, forget all of that philosophical and psychological bullshit. there is a self to every existence. life is not that simple to have no such thing as an identity. if i didn't believe that anything had an identity, then i would never care if anyone felt anything... death, love, whatever. personally, as much as it pains me, i want to feel, i want to know if i made the wrong decision. i know that life is the choices that you make and that theoretically there is no wrong b/c it was a path. but screw that, if in retrospect i learned that that was the wrong decision based upon where i wanted to be instead, then i will learn and i will adjust my thinking.

i guess, i'm just saying that if there is no self for any one/thing, then who will care that person/thing if it can no longer interact. to me, feeling is the only reason to live b/c who wants to be a friggin' robot and only through self can one have a point of view to feel.There's nothing wrong with wanting to feel, but one also has to keep their feelings in perspective and see where they and their "self" stack up in the grand scheme of things of totality. The universe existed long before our "selves" were here and it will continue to exist long after they are gone. Feelings are completely involuntary reactions...just like a reflex. We each can choose to act upon them or not. The whole point of spirituality is to see things beyond the "self". The mind for many is a prison; I see it as a tool, a very precious tool.

[despondent]

Thanks for being intolerant. The bible tells me there is sin. I believe what the bible tells me. You can have your beliefs. How is that?
You have much to learn about what being "intolerant" means. You may feel free to have any beliefs you wish. Beliefs however, are just a prison.

[despondent]

You don't except that I believe in sin. I wouldn't go around telling you you are wrong.
You just did

[despondent]

No I didn't. I am telling you that you can believe what you want. Let me do the same please.
I never said you couldn't believe what you what

[bjk15]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to feel, but one also has to keep their feelings in perspective and see where they and their "self" stack up in the grand scheme of things of totality. The universe existed long before our "selves" were here and it will continue to exist long after they are gone. Feelings are completely involuntary reactions...just like a reflex. We each can choose to act upon them or not. The whole point of spirituality is to see things beyond the "self". The mind for many is a prison; I see it as a tool, a very precious tool.
i agree that for far too many that the mind is a prison b/c they are simply not ready to accept things that they can't comprehend. regardless of my opinion on our "origin" for example, some won't accept evolution b/c they can't comprehend how it could be so and others won't accept "religion" b/c they refuse to accept it when some other more tangible explanation exists in hand.

but as far as i'm concerned, i may be nothing in the "total-ness" of it all, but i believe that that is not the point (if i am or not). if each one person/thing is nothing in the "total-ness" of it all, then how can it "all" exist. in that same breath, the universe is finite, just like me and that is the bottom line. just b/c something goes to zero, doesn't mean it is actually zero... it just goes in that direction. anyway, i'm rambling and i'm tired, i just wanted to say that "sin" is a word for not following what the Bible says. in this instance, one either chooses to follow the Bible which often leads those who do to "feel" guilty for making that decision or one can choose their own path and "feel" however they want to about that decision. and no one likes being guilty.

[despondent]

You had no problem telling me what I believe is wrong though. That is the point. You are being rude.
I never said it was wrong. If you recall, I don't even think "right" and "wrong" are even real.

[bjk15]

You had no problem telling me what I believe is wrong though. That is the point. You are being rude.
fletch, just b/c he doesn't share your opinion, doesn't mean that he is being rude. however, it is rude to antagonize someone for not sharing a personal opinion.

btw despo, if one chooses their path, then is that not freedom?

[despondent]

"Sin isn't real...it only exists in the mind. Others either shame or one shames themselves over the conceptual idea of "sin"."

I believe sin is real. You don't. Fine. Just don't tell me like that. If you say sin isn't real, its a spit in the face to what I believe. You are so out of line. I wouldn't come at you like that.
Can you not tolerate other points of view?

[despondent]

Would you tell a child Santa Claus isn't real unprovoked? How about a belief that the holocaust isn't real? Would you stomp on anybody's beliefs and then not just apologize about it? I don't go looking to stomp on people's beliefs.
I didn't "stomp" on your your beliefs. Your own emotional attachment to those beliefs caused an unwanted feeling when you perceived that those beliefs were being attacked. I simply stated a point of view that I have. Do you scold a child when they openly and without reservation state a point of view that they may have about the world in which they exist?

[bjk15]

this is all i'm going to say to you fletch: despo isn't knocking on your door and forcing you to listen to him. he is simply posting his opinion online for everyone to see. he is responding to comments you have. neither one of you share the same religious/philosophical opinion. just stop taking everything so damn personal and move on with your life.

[despondent]

this is all i'm going to say to you fletch: despo isn't knocking on your door and forcing you to listen to him. he is simply posting his opinion online for everyone to see. he is responding to comments you have. neither one of you share the same religious/philosophical opinion. just stop taking everything so damn personal and move on with your life.
it's not personal with me at all. I simply wish to point out to anyone and everyone how their own feelings get in the way of seeing things as they really are. There's nothing wrong with that; humans have done that since the dawn of time. I'm just simply pointing it out.

[despondent]

If its rude, which you fail to realize because I assume you think you are the smartest guy in the room and couldn't be wrong, I would tell a child to apologize. My beliefs are me so don't condescend with your "emotional attachment" stuff. And like I said, I wouldn't go around telling people that what they believe couldn't be real. Now you are seriously on ignore.I never claimed to be any more or any less intelligent than any other reasonable person. You just made an assumption in that regard. Rude is to be intentionally impolite. Openly stating my point of view is not being impolite. I did not seek to cause an ill feeling in anyone by doing so.

[purple_octopus]

He replied to ME! He was telling ME! If he wants to start a new topic, go for it. I will stay away. He is simply coming in for a quick punch at my beliefs, which is wrong. It is personal because as I have said, he said it to me.
ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME!!!!!!
http://happyfroggyknits.squarespace.com/universal/images/emoticons/Cry_emoticon_-_updated.gif

[specialk]

yeah. well, i walked on the moon.

[purple_octopus]

PO can take great joy as she is now ignored for literally following me around with hate. I don't know what her problem with me is, but she seems to like saying mean things to me. So whatever mean-spirited thing she is saying I can not see. Out of sight, out of mind as they say.
Telling someone they're on ignore totally defeats the purpose of putting them on ignore, fletchy-poo.

[despondent]

tolerance n. 1. a fair and permissive attitude toward those whose race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own. 2. a fair and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.

[twentyshots]

He replied to ME! He was telling ME! If he wants to start a new topic, go for it. I will stay away. He is simply coming in for a quick punch at my beliefs, which is wrong. It is personal because as I have said, he said it to me.

you do realize that you are in Current Events/Politics right? Based on what i've read of your two threads you are expecting to get to lay down your piety with impunity. CE/P is by it's very nature confrontational.
I suggest you go for lighter fare on the boards lest ye be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[despondent]

I just want to say to the atheists and agnostics, its cool dudes. I don't want to seperate myself from you. Apparantly, just the Zenists.

[purple_octopus]

Ahhh. This thread already feels tons more positive. I just want to say to the atheists and agnostics, its cool dudes. I don't want to seperate myself from you. Let's make the world a better place together. If I think about it, all the afterlife stuff kind of takes care of itself, so why worry about it? You do your thing and I will do mine.
If you're not fletch (who is so badly playing a caricature that he can't keep his cool for more than 30 seconds), then you're bipolar at the very least. I'd go see someone about that.

[despondent]

I've been silenced for stating my point of view. Now I know how Jesus felt.

[twentyshots]

if i prayed it would be about

-the families of the victims of the philippines mud slide
-the Iraqi civilians/workers who find themselves in the crossfire of a burgeoning civil war
-the soldiers who are mistakenly there
-God's creatures who suffer en masse daily at corporate farms
-the sick, lonely, and destitute
-that religion would better understand itself within the human paradigm and context of a multi-cultural world, focusing on the basic tenets of selflessness and compassion rather than obstinance, revenge, conversion, judgement, etc.
- The Bearcats will rebound from their tough lost tonight.

[the happy prole]

A tree for instance, knows no self and yet it is not any less "real" than we are.

How do you know a tree knows no self? The concept of self is equal to the concept of others. You must accept both.

[purple_octopus]

- That PO forgives me for whatever I have done and moves on.
You don't need my forgiveness, because I have nothing against you. This has already been said, fletch.

[despondent]

How do you know a tree knows no self? The concept of self is equal to the concept of others. You must accept both.
I only used that as an example because a tree does not have sentience; at least not not in the same way that we do. But yes, a tree does have a self just as it also equally has no self. Just as we do.

[monkey neck]

Holy crap, people, what did you do to my thread?

This is my thread and if you don't behave, I'll kick all y'all out. O-W-T, OWT! :D

Just for the record, curves, I'm with you and I think you're getting unfairly treated. Some people around here automatically get offended when Christianity comes up. Not sure why, but for a bunch of people that preach tolerance, they need to be a little more tolerant themselves. That's just my observation/opinion.

Carry on...

[aqualou]

O-W-T, OWT! :D
Jasper? What 'cho doing in there Jasper?

[purple_octopus]

Just for the record, curves, I'm with you and I think you're getting unfairly treated. Some people around here automatically get offended when Christianity comes up. Not sure why, but for a bunch of people that preach tolerance, they need to be a little more tolerant themselves. That's just my observation/opinion.
As a Christian, I'm offended when people who claim to be Christians call other people names and berate them for having different beliefs. It's every bit as offensive as athiests berating Christians (or Muslims, or Zen Buddhists, or whatever). I agree with you that in general, the trend around here is that Christians are the exception when it comes to showing tolerance. However: 1) there is no way thecurves is for real. Even if he's not fletch, he is still a fake/alt account (which makes it even more offensive), and 2) If a Christian expects people to show them tolerance, they have to do likewise. But that's just my opinion.

[gwar469]

http://isc.nm.ru/fcd1/derailed.jpg

sooooo, that Fred Phelps guy is a major asshole, eh?

[monkey neck]

sooooo, that Fred Phelps guy is a major asshole, eh?

Heh. Have we found the rails again? :D

[jneale]

Sometimes I think people hear “Christianity” & automatically think of the born again crowd. Personally I have absolutely no tolerance for those that believe there is only one path & am fearful that agenda gets too much publicity.

To me, religion isn’t about campaigning against someone being wrong – it is about living the best you can with the believe that there exists a better purpose to life.

I think the boards are anti any thing/person/cause that shoves something down someone else’s throat.

I wish there was actually a God – I’d love to see omnipotent bitch slapping.

[purple_octopus]

http://isc.nm.ru/fcd1/derailed.jpg

sooooo, that Fred Phelps guy is a major asshole, eh?
Actually, you may think this thread is derailed, but I think it's come full circle. One of the big problems a lot of people have with Phelps is that his radical, intolerant, judgemental, fundamentalist attitude and behavior are counter to the tenets of his supposed-faith, and people like Phelps hurt Christianity. Fundamentalists are the ones who get the media attention (not just Christians, either -- just look at the media coverage over the cartoon riots), and the general population gets the wrong idea that this is what Christianity is about. And it's not. Furthermore, if one believes that they are obligated to spread and share their faith, this kind of behavior is completely counterproductive. It's not unlike someone coming on a messageboard with a holier-than-thou attitude, calling people names and being condescending towards people who have different views. For all of the people who frequent this messageboard who are predisposed to thinking Christians are assholes, this is giving them justification in their prejudices.

[monkey neck]

I agree with you that in general, the trend around here is that Christians are the exception when it comes to showing tolerance.

I think that's why we, as Christians, should put people like Phelps out of business because he puts a blot on all of us. That is what our concern is. Our problem with fighting this image of intolerance is that most of the people that get the press' attention are radicals like Phelps that preach hate in the name of God. That's not what God is about. You never see stories about the real people that know what's going on. I think that's the same problem that Muslims are facing because the only press they get is when some radical Muslim blows himself up.

[monkey neck]

Actually, you may think this thread is derailed, but I think it's come full circle. One of the big problems a lot of people have with Phelps is that his radical, intolerant, judgemental, fundamentalist attitude and behavior are counter to the tenets of his supposed-faith, and people like Phelps hurt Christianity. Fundamentalists are the ones who get the media attention (not just Christians, either -- just look at the media coverage over the cartoon riots), and the general population gets the wrong idea that this is what Christianity is about. And it's not. Furthermore, if one believes that they are obligated to spread and share their faith, this kind of behavior is completely counterproductive. It's not unlike someone coming on a messageboard with a holier-than-thou attitude, calling people names and being condescending towards people who have different views. For all of the people who frequent this messageboard who are predisposed to thinking Christians are assholes, this is giving them justification in their prejudices.

We must be on the same wavelength. :p

[purple_octopus]

I think that's why we, as Christians, should put people like Phelps out of business because he puts a blot on all of us. That is what our concern is. Our problem with fighting this image of intolerance is that most of the people that get the press' attention are radicals like Phelps that preach hate in the name of God. That's not what God is about. You never see stories about the real people that know what's going on. I think that's the same problem that Muslims are facing because the only press they get is when some radical Muslim blows himself up.
As I'm sure you can gather from my last post, I agree with you completely.

[purple_octopus]

We must be on the same wavelength. :p
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!:p

[monkey neck]

As I'm sure you can gather from my last post, I agree with you completely.

Yeah, somehow, you're in my head. Now get out! ;)

[gwar469]

Actually, you may think this thread is derailed, but I think it's come full circle. One of the big problems a lot of people have with Phelps is that his radical, intolerant, judgemental, fundamentalist attitude and behavior are counter to the tenets of his supposed-faith, and people like Phelps hurt Christianity. Fundamentalists are the ones who get the media attention (not just Christians, either -- just look at the media coverage over the cartoon riots), and the general population gets the wrong idea that this is what Christianity is about. And it's not. Furthermore, if one believes that they are obligated to spread and share their faith, this kind of behavior is completely counterproductive. It's not unlike someone coming on a messageboard with a holier-than-thou attitude, calling people names and being condescending towards people who have different views. For all of the people who frequent this messageboard who are predisposed to thinking Christians are assholes, this is giving them justification in their prejudices.

yeah, you snuck your full-circle post (prior to this quoted one) in before I got my Derailed picture in. you did bring it back 'round, but i still like my picture! :D

[monkey neck]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!:p

You're killing me...I didn't even see this post about being in your head...Do you hear the Twilight Zone theme playing by any chance?

[purple_octopus]

You're killing me...I didn't even see this post about being in your head...Do you hear the Twilight Zone theme playing by any chance?
Whatever this is, it has to stop now. I'm not posting for the next hour or so. I'll expect you to be gone (from my head) when I get back. :p

[JSpaceman]

I pray:
- The Bearcats will rebound from their tough lost tonight.

If a higher power gives two shits about sports teams, we're truly in a sad state of affairs. Give me a break. And it's "loss."

[monkey neck]

Whatever this is, it has to stop now. I'm not posting for the next hour or so. I'll expect you to be gone (from my head) when I get back. :p

I'll lock the door when I leave. :)

[weeone]

*stands amid the wreckage and surveys the damage*

Yep. This is what religion does to a crowd of people.

Alriiiiiight. At least our jihad has a good soundtrack. :cool:

[gwar469]

At least our jihad has a good soundtrack.

if you were to just put that onto a shirt... :D

[twentyshots]

If a higher power gives two shits about sports teams, we're truly in a sad state of affairs. Give me a break. And it's "loss."


precisely why i put it on the end of my prayer list.

what gets me is when sports guys always thank god for defeating their opponents, or when a boxer thanks god for allowing him to find the strengh to pummel his heathen adversary.

god= the ultimate bookie and Steelers fan.
sorry to be so negative.

[monkey neck]

what gets me is when sports guys always thank god for defeating their opponents, or when a boxer thanks god for allowing him to find the strengh to pummel his heathen adversary.

god= the ultimate bookie and Steelers fan.
sorry to be so negative.

I think you may be misunderstanding because they very well could be thanking God for the opportunity to play sports professionally. Some atheletes, however, might have the wrong idea, of course. On the other hand, I guess you don't see to many people in the losing locker room thanking God. Odd, huh?

[JSpaceman]

I think you may be misunderstanding because they very well could be thanking God for the opportunity to play sports professionally.
I don't really think that's the case at all. I get the impression that the majority of the athletes that are praying (or at least say they're praying) are praying that their team wins. And like 20 suggests, it's pretty ridiculous...

Another dumb tangent. :p

[twentyshots]

I think you may be misunderstanding because they very well could be thanking God for the opportunity to play sports professionally.


ideally, yes and probably some people do frame it that way.

unfortunately I think it has just become the default response for a lot of guys when they get some mic time.
"I want to thank my personal savior Jesus Christ for putting me between the ball and Randy Moss".
that's the sort of thing that makes me curious because ultimately what it really is about is the accomplishments of the player and really not about god at all.

[JSpaceman]

ultimately what it really is about is the accomplishments of the player and really not about god at all.
No, it's what god allows them to do. ;)

[Homsar]

How about tolerance for those with no tolerance?

[monkey neck]

How about tolerance for those with no tolerance?

And, we're back to Phelps. What a prick that guy is.

[gwar469]

i have absolutely no problem when an athlete thanks god for the ability or skills that they have, which led to a win. my problem comes when they thank god for the win...period. and i think that's what JSpaceman's point was. god really doesn't care about the outcome of the games, yet he always seems to get involved somehow. god is important in a lot of peoples' lives, but sometimes, their perspective gets skewed. i mean, if god really cared, Notre Dame would never lose any games in any sport ever again.

i respect people who have so much love in god that they are thankful for what they have every day. it takes a lot or spirituality to behave that way. but when it starts to get ridiculous, and you're thanking god for things he has no control over, that's where i get a little annoyed.

and Phelps needs to chill the fuck out.

[JSpaceman]

Why must you put them down or judge them simply because you lead a life without a god? They don't say, "thanks god, and if you don't believe in him, you are in trouble folks." We need some tolerance up in here people. And fast.
Who are you to say I "lead a life without a god?" Get off your high horse and share your thoughts without the condescension (and naiveté, I might add) and you might find people will be more likely to lend an ear. And just so you know, it's awfully hard to make an convincing argument with spelling and grammar errors. It's simple fact, pal. Hope your weekend is filled with rainbows and gummi bears.

[JSpaceman]

Sorry, I'm just a little uptight about the big curling match tonight. It's got my stomach all doggone topsy turvy.

[Jumpman]

I have two major problems with faith. One is proselytizing. I don't like it, and I generally become cynical about religions or sects that do feel the need to "spread the word". I understand the nuts and bolts of why they have an imperative to do so, but I can't stand it or the effects. I say keep it to yourself.

The other thing I don't like is Phelps. He sucks. As do people like him that justify a vile and anti-humanist perspective behind a cloak of righteousness.

[Homsar]

is it possible for thecurves to love Homsar? i mean, he wasn't born from God, but brewed from a cup of coffee... :confused:

Yeah, that's right, I read the whole damned thread! But I think I'd be too "negative" for thecurves.

Well the flipside to the sports thing would be Christians getting upset that the athlete didn't thank god. When is the last time you heard or saw that?

Never because no one comes right out and says "I, in no way, thank God for this victory!"

BTW, did anyone else notice how many time the curves edited his posts? More than half of them. Makes me wonder.

[djudge79]

Jenny Lewis - Born Secular

BAM!







Oops, sorry, wrong thread.

[JSpaceman]

Jenny Lewis - Born Secular

BAM!


Oops, sorry, wrong thread.
Doncha hate when that happens? :D

[gwar469]

I think, and I don't mean this is an negative way, that you don't truly understand the perspective of people of faith. I don't want to be accused of being preachy, but a lot of people of faith believe that the lord plays a part in all aspects of their life simply by being their father. That's all I will say. However, I don't really understand what specifically is the problem. Is it simply that it makes these people look whacko to you when they say god won the game for them?

because god wasn't on the field, and god didn't directly affect the game in any way. he provided the fuel for the game, in the players talents and such, but other than that, there's nothing. from start to finish in the game, he doesn't change anything.

and your assumption about my lack of knowledge of people of faith is way wrong. my uncle was a priest. several others were missionaries. i have a great friend who is a reverend, and spent lots of time in Africa helping people. several other close friends are devout christians, and we spend hours discussing religion. my ex-brother-in-law is a Moslim, and he spent much time teaching me the Quran and his religion. i also have Buddhist friends who have spent time to explain their religion and thoughts/beliefs to me. so, i think i know a little more about peoples' perspective of faiths than you give me credit for. and, for the record, you may not have meant it, but that was a negative thing you said.

i prefer to believe in the other gift that god gave us -- free will. i'm still looking at which religion fits me best. i was raised Catholic, but it wasn't for me. i have gone back and checked, and it still isn't for me. no one religion is absolutely correct, but one exists that will allow your soul to be at most peace with yourself. i'm still looking...

[Jumpman]

no one religion is absolutely correct, but one exists that will allow your soul to be at most peace with yourself. i'm still looking...

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Kudos.

Yeah, I said kudos.

[gwar469]

While I respect your view, many people would have a different take. That is all I was getting at. Its very hard to understand another person's perspective. I wouldn't be able to understand how anybody could live day to day without the moral code I have, but I understand that I haven't walked in their shoes so I respect them regardless of my beliefs.

totally agree. different strokes for different folks.

http://mortystv.com/showcards/diffrent_strokes.jpg

[monkey neck]

Never because no one comes right out and says "I, in no way, thank God for this victory!"

I must say that would be pretty funny though, just because you'd never expect someone to say that.

[despondent]

The ignore function is a beautiful thing.
Out of sight, out of mind.

[Jumpman]

Could you articulate why you don't like it? Is it because it seems too pushy to you? Do you think Christians are too pushy a bunch?

Actually, I can't articulate it well. It just doesn't sit with me very well at a gut level. Maybe it is the sense that I feel like I'm being judged as having an inferior system of beliefs, or a flawed moral code. I certainly don't like being told by anyone that I am going to hell simply because I don't believe in something. I also think it can lead to a certain amount of conflict between groups, even if they should simply tolerate each other. I perfer the lead by example approach and if people are interested they can ask you.

I don't think all Christians are pushy, but some definitely are. No one can deny that.

[GoWest]

thecurves,

So, what brings you to this little corner of the interweb? How did you find out about woxy? Do you listen to the music?

[weeone]

If you'll all allow me, I never 'bashed the religious dude'. I bashed a douche. I made my (albeit unsolicited) view about religion and thecurves called me a heathen and told me I need to accept Christ as my savior, assuming I had not been exposed to Christianity (for some odd reason). Furthermore, he rather myopically equated my non-religious views as an attack on Christianity, rather than accepting it as my unimposing and peaceful conclusion about the practice and ideas of religion, in general.

I don't sit around channeling energy for you to pick up a science book, so you needn't waste the energy insisting that the only way to live a peaceful, satisfying life is with a religious institution.

I'd appreciate it if you'd make it your business to stay out of mine, where this matter is concerned. Preesh.

[weeone]

I forgive you but lets get real...who is coming after who here?
We agree, completely. When I said I was bashing a douche, I meant you.

[markalot]

I had to take you off ignore for a second because I thought maybe you would be overtaken with the positivity. Unfortunately you still need name calling to argue. I won't judge.

You are judging, you did judge, and you will probably continue to judge.

To call someone a heathen is judging, it doesn't matter how technically accurate you are. This is why I try not to argue with the devoutly religious. You will never understand what I am talking about, you're not capable.

[weeone]

This douche, whom you don't know other than for his religious beliefs, is being bashed for no reason. You are simply being hateful. I can't explain heathen or the numerous times you have made assumption about what I have said. I wish you could use my words against me so I could explain, but that would call for you not being hateful. I forgive you.
okie dokie artichokie.

[weeone]

To call a nonreligious person a nonreligious person (aka heathan, pagan, gentile) is a judgement? It is a fact, no?
Woo hoo ! More semantics !

If you want, you could call me an atheist, if you need to call me something. Or you could put me back on ignore and pretend the serpent doesn't exist.

This is a funny thought: you kind of seem to make judgments about people who make judgments (no 'e' in judgment www.dictionary.com can help you).

[yoshomon]

I have this fantasy of hooking up with a really 'conservative' christian man who's "straight" (as in not out of the closet). And then after we hook up he'll become a heathen and burn down a bunch of mega-churches. It'll rule, I promise!

[weeone]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=judgement

Name calling and trying to make a person a fool...so much love in little one. Now back on ignore.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=judgment

Well, I guess they both work. Maybe it's English English. Nonetheless, I'll allow the e. :D However, judgment has more entries. So it's better.

[weeone]

I have this fantasy of hooking up with a really 'conservative' christian man who's "straight" (as in not out of the closet). And then after we hook up he'll become a heathen and burn down a bunch of mega-churches. It'll rule, I promise!
that is hotttt

[purple_octopus]

I have this fantasy of hooking up with a really 'conservative' christian man who's "straight" (as in not out of the closet). And then after we hook up he'll become a heathen and burn down a bunch of mega-churches. It'll rule, I promise!
You're not really willing to cheat on ianalex, are you?

[yoshomon]

Destruction! This is what rules? Why do you hate churches? Or are you joking?

Come over to my place tonight and I'll explain it to you... ;)

[yoshomon]

You're not really willing to cheat on ianalex, are you?

It's cool... we have an open relationship. And who said ianalex wouldn't get in on the fun?!! :p

[yoshomon]

Why not just explain it here? I am busy tonight with church activities.

To make it simple: I am a queer heathen who would delight in watching a mega-church burn to the ground.

If you come over, Ianalex and I can teach you some special "church activities"...

[weeone]

icccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk as much as I can't stand this hippy love shit, I simply can't stop clicking on this thread. :D

[purple_octopus]

Just so you know, as a Christian man I have love for you. You are my brother.
I find this statement to be truly hysterical.

[Homsar]

Some people like watching the natural order of the universe play out before their eyes.

[yoshomon]

I think we can reach an understanding of each other if you can be honest and open.

Are you a top or a bottom?

[markalot]

Ok,

now the 'opponents' of curve have gone over the top.

[purple_octopus]

Ok,

now the 'opponents' of curve have gone over the top.
I'm just glad yosh isn't talking about unicorns again.

[weeone]

Ok,

now the 'opponents' of curve have gone over the top.
So, he's a 'bottom' then...

[purple_octopus]

I know you don't mean to, but you are actually being a bigot with this statement by thinking calling somebody "a bottom" is a slam. You are slamming homosexuals dear, which isn't cool. I won't stand for it.
I didn't realize that was a slam. I know several male homosexuals who refer to themselves as "bottoms". I don't think you're gay (even if I also don't think you are who you say you are), so I agree that it was a slam against *you*, maybe. But not gays. Unless gays should be insulted that you were compared to them in some way.

[yoshomon]

Cute outfit for Ianalex - $55
Lube from Veganerotica.com - $6
Box of condoms - $7

Gay 3-some with a conservative christian you met on the internet - PRICELESS

[weeone]

I know you don't mean to, but you are actually being a bigot with this statement by thinking calling somebody "a bottom" is a slam. You are slamming homosexuals dear, which isn't cool. I won't stand for it. You should be more careful because I have faith that you aren't a bigot.
Well, no, you misjudge. I was making a play on the 'over the top' construction markalot used, as bottom is the opposite of top...

[yoshomon]

now the 'opponents' of curve have gone over the top.

I'm not an opponent! And I am the top here, so...

[yoshomon]

true Christians love you.

See, this is what I'm saying. I'm looking for a conservative christian to "share his love" with me in ways that'll make the dudes who wrote the old testiment cry.

[yoshomon]

Aren't gays equal?

No, they're better. Get used to it!

[purple_octopus]

Right, but you wouldn't have said "a bottom" unless you thought it would offend me. You think that is offensive to a straight man. Why is that? Aren't gays equal?
Of course they are, but most ultra-conservative homophobes don't think so. Like, say... Phelps, for instance. Which is a shame, because Jesus told us to love everybody. Not just the people who are just like us.

(Is there any hope of re-railing this thread? I suppose not.)

[yoshomon]

You aren't much fun Mr. Curves.

[ICONOCLAST420]

You can join in the fun with your partner if you want.
CAN'T......


STOP.......


LAUGHING.......

[yoshomon]

Well tonight (if you promise not to set any fires), my church is having a dinner gathering and I think some of us might play some board games or cards. You can join in the fun with your partner if you want. Come see what the church is really all about.

You're so wholesome and friendly.

I actually prefer the crazy frothy mouthed bigot christians to the over-friendly, creepy christians. It always feels like the latter have a more devious plot up their sleeves.

[yoshomon]

I still say your "church" is the compound in Oakley with the barbed wire on top of it.

I had no idea Mr. Curves was into BDSM!

[ICONOCLAST420]

I had no idea Mr. Curves was into BDSM!
Isn't he a bottom?

[fadedbluejeans]

this whole thread is very entertaining. a christian is riling everyone up??? wasn't the topic some ignorant baptist in kansas.

you want to see something interesting, check out the latest james dobson news--> he's condemning the religious right he's leading for trying to go a step beyond forbidding gay marriages... creating inequality.

i think there's a gay rights issue and a privacy issue at hand here on the board (not wanting people to bug me at home or at work about my religion period.) also, not every christian "hates fags" but if i were a christian i would go out of my way to condemn these fanatics... as curves attempted to do early on. i believe we need freedom of religion, but we also need some respected, high powered religious figures condemning the actions of pat robertson, james dobson, and especially the Westboro Baptist Church. Christianity is gaining few converts on this board.

maybe that's why fred phelps said "woxy is going down- those fag lovers got the wrath of jeebus against 'em now!"

[weeone]

Right, but you wouldn't have said "a bottom" unless you thought it would offend me. You think that is offensive to a straight man, to be called a bottom. Why is that? Aren't gays equal?
No. Fags are bottom. Fuck fags. Fags are monkey sweat ?

[tinnitus]

Think of god as a parent (if you wish to see the Christian perspective). Do parents pick favorites? I don't think so.
Perhaps, but unlike god, my parents actually exist.

[yoshomon]

Perhaps, but unlike god, my parents actually exist.

Oh snap!

Best post of the thread.

[tinnitus]

You can have your view. I will have my view. I happen to believe god and my parents both exist. Is that ok with you?
Fine by me, have your beliefs, share them with others who have the same belief; just dont' preach to me, try to convert me, or rule my life with some writing from an acient fiction novel about some black carpenter who walked a small portion of the earth a couple of millenia ago. The greatest threat facing society today is not terrorism, it's organized religion.

[weeone]

The greatest threat facing society today is not terrorism, it's organized religion.
They're kind of the same thing, right ? I mean, we can argue the semantics of the word terrorism until we are even more blue in the face than we are now, but let's not forget that religious fundamentalism is the major driving force behind what Americans think of today as terrorism. This has been my point from the beginning of this lame ass argument.

Can I get a what-what for Tinnitus. :cool:

[purple_octopus]

and you are DEFINITELY an alter for somebody.

get it. "alter"

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

ok, I'm done now.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You crack me up, CG.

[purple_octopus]

I'm feeling better these days. At least until two days from now when I learn if I am going to be able to keep my job or not.

I could go from a have to a have not in two days. It's all about perception and randomness.
Oh crap. I'll definitely be sending good vibes your way. :(

[weeone]

Awesome book called McWord v Jihad. All about how religious fanatacism and the rise of the "global economy" go hand-in-hand.

what you are seeing is the result of the gulf between have and the have nots.

in one corner, the have's are clothed, fed, emotionally nurtured, have some sense of freedom, and mobility. in the other corner, the have not's are...well...nothing. So they cling to the human construct of God. It's all they DO have. And they create their own power bases and their own culture and society just like the have's. And if you look around carefully, this type of crapola exists in every country, government, and dictatorship in the world. On small scales and large scales. Ecomony of Scale as it were. :rolleyes:

Look in the mirror kiddies, we only have ourselves to blame. Now go shop at Walmart like a good little global participant.


*sigh*

Yeah. I wonder how things would be different if the US and UK used all the war dough to feed and ensure fundmental necessities like sanitary plumbling and housing in the countries we are occupying and destroying.

[yoshomon]

Can we talk about gay sex again?

[Sarrah]

You are being a bigot, but I forgive you. God bless.


Who died and made you God, judge not lest though shalt be judged. And you claim that you aren't judgemental....any rationalizations for this one?

[purple_octopus]

be
Pronunciation: 'bE
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): past first & third singular was /'w&z, 'wäz/; second singular were /'w&r/; plural were past subjunctive were past part been /'bin, chiefly British 'bEn/; present part be·ing /'bE(-i)[ng]/; present first singular am /&m, 'am/; second singular are /'är, &r/; third singular is /'iz, &z/; plural are present subjunctive be

1 a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : SYMBOLIZE <God is love> <January is the first month> <let x be 10> b : to have identity with <the first person I met was my brother> c : to constitute the same class as d : to have a specified qualification or characterization <the leaves are green> e : to belong to the class of <the fish is a trout> -- used regularly in senses 1a through 1e as the copula of simple predication

So instead of saying she was a bigot in the past, you are saying she is being a bigot in the present. Semantics.

You don't "get" sarcasm, do you.

[weeone]

Terrorism is definitely implicitly driven by money and power, as well, and religion is the explicit motive for terrorists like Bin Laden. Our country uses religion to gain control over territories in which we do not belong - Bush was re-elected in large part because of his faith-based support in the electorate (that and because Americans think that as long as they can have a gun and homosexuals can't marry, their country is the best !) ... I'm officially figuratively blue in the face and I really don't give a shit whether or not you understand my views. This discussion should have been over about 342 minus 15 posts ago. Leave it to me to keep driving the bus once it's already screamed off the cliff :D

[Sarrah]

There is no "e" in argument.


:confused:
Umm....yes there is.

[weeone]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=arguement
argumEnt :p

[purple_octopus]

argument

Is too.

[purple_octopus]

argumEnt :p
Jinx you owe me a coke! :p

[Sarrah]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=arguement

Unless you are making a silly wasteful post because there is an "e" at the end. I would hope you don't make wasteful posts. I don't mind. Language should be used to express something. If that person gets what is being said, they shouldn't point out typos. I only did it because cg said I was stupid. So whatev.


Did you just edit that in? Did he just edit that in? Or am I imagining things???

[purple_octopus]

There should be a new rule. If you really want a thread to end, you should stop posting. If you think it is "boring", stop posting! Otherwise, why be dishonest? You love this. Admit it.
If you're really ignoring people, ignore them already and stop posting! Otherwise, why be dishonest? You're an alt account and you love being a shit-stirrer. Admit it.

[Sarrah]

There should be a new rule. If you really want a thread to end, you should stop posting. If you think it is "boring", stop posting! Otherwise, why be dishonest? You love this. Admit it.


Kind of like how you "ignore" people?

[purple_octopus]

Did you just edit that in? Did he just edit that in? Or am I imagining things???
Nah, he edits shit every other second. He did that under "fletchmunson" as well.

[purple_octopus]

Yes. Love the edit. I can't help if people start replying two seconds after I post. Who are you? Why are you following me around? Shoo...(unless you have something to add to the discussion, of course)
She's following me around, asshat. Don't be so full of yourself.

[weeone]

There should be a new rule. If you really want a thread to end, you should stop posting. If you think it is "boring", stop posting! Otherwise, why be dishonest? You love this. Admit it.
I do. It's true. I've stated the same case when other people wouldn't quit provoking me back in the day. We are quite alike. In fact, you could be me :confused: Are you my alter-woxy-id ?

[ICONOCLAST420]

I have to go to Springboro now.
At least you get to see the MC 42ft. jeeebus on the way up. :D

[juggles]

I'd been avoiding posting anything in this thread, hoping it would die on it's own, but let me just say that boarders whose opinions I once valued have revealed themselves to be painfully shallow, arrogant and intolerent. How disappointing. Makes me question whether this is a clique I want to be part of or not. I don't really want to get dragged further into this by naming names, but if you think I'm talking about you then you're probably right.

[Sarrah]

I'd been avoiding posting anything in this thread, hoping it would die on it's own, but let me just say that boarders whose opinions I once valued have revealed themselves to be painfully shallow, arrogant and intolerent. How disappointing. Makes me question whether this is a clique I want to be part of or not. I don't really want to get dragged further into this by naming names, but if you think I'm talking about you then you're probably right.


cool, I'm safe

[weeone]

I'd been avoiding posting anything in this thread, hoping it would die on it's own, but let me just say that boarders whose opinions I once valued have revealed themselves to be painfully shallow, arrogant and intolerent. How disappointing. Makes me question whether this is a clique I want to be part of or not. I don't really want to get dragged further into this by naming names, but if you think I'm talking about you then you're probably right.
You should see me in live action. Mind-boggling hatred spewing. I'm really a maggot-eaten demon. I would avoid myself at all costs if only I could.

[Sarrah]

I only have PO on ignore. I am very successfully ignoring her. I have no idea what she is saying, but I sense she isn't discussing anything but me. You are on your way to making the ignore list though. You haven't posted anything but criticisms of me. What a waste of time! Look at Weeone...that person isn't on ignore because of the posts above. It has a point. It is lending to discussion. Follow her lead.


Criticisms? I just point out 1 and 1, if you do the math and add it up, well that's all you.