Coming in May to the Cannes Film Festival

[tobedawg]

"Hurricane Katrina: The Wrath of Bush" a film by Michael Moore..

http://www.wrathofbush.com/index.php

[markalot]

What a fucking asshole.

Is it the camera angle or has he lost some weight?

[Cleo]

man, as much as I dont like Bush, i like Michael Moore even less... what a pathetic, frustrated loooooser...

[Sovrana]

I don't have anything against Michael Moore...really, but this is a bad idea. The negative results of the lack of response to the hurricane already played out in the press. What Moore is doing here is redundant and clearly presents itself as a project that merely capitalizes on and exploits the poverty of others...nothing more. A shameful project proposed.

[tobedawg]

I Love Michael Moore and have been a fan of his for years, and I'm going to with-hold my judgement on this film until I actually watch it..

but from what I see thus far, I also think that this is a bad idea, especially with many other issues happening here.. He could have done a movie about the outsourcing of American jobs, about the working poor (the people who work their arses off but never get ahead), or even went ahead with his film about the Health Care system..

man, as much as I dont like Bush, i like Michael Moore even less... what a pathetic, frustrated loooooser...

Yeah, how dare he make movies that motivate the left politically the same way that Hannity and Limbaugh mobilize the right wing!

At least that "LOSER" has been productive during his years as a film-maker.. Which is more than I can say about most liberals who just like to complain with no action.. Michael Moore may be alot of this, but when all is said and done, he DOES use the Right-Wing's tactics against them, and IF the Democratic Party and others liberals in this country did the same, maybe they wouldn't be in the same position that they are in today!

[ICONOCLAST420]

What I find ironic is that Wal-Mart was able to immediately rush emergency supplies to the victims of Katrina while FEMA was waiting for authorization from the proper bureaucrat. Also the debit cards issued to victims were used by two women to buy $800 Louis Vutton purses.

[Shlep]

I don't have anything against Michael Moore...really, but this is a bad idea. The negative results of the lack of response to the hurricane already played out in the press. What Moore is doing here is redundant and clearly presents itself as a project that merely capitalizes on and exploits the poverty of others...nothing more. A shameful project proposed.

Other than the first part about having nothing against Mike Moore-- I think he's a lying, self-aggrandizing, hypocritical, dissembling, two-faced narcissistic pant-load-- I agree completely. Moore is, among other things, a fucking vulture in my opinion, an ambulance-chaser of a film maker who sees suffering and rushes in to make himself famous and prosperous, posturing himself as some blue-collar schlub fighting the good fight for the little guy and then patting himself on the back all the way to the bank while doing absolutely nothing to help those he claims to care about once they've served their purpose (read: giving Mike the chance to claim he cares).

Is Moore going to say anything or forward any assertions not already flogged to death by perennial Bush detractors? Highly unlikely. Is his rambling, meandering, incoherent, sloppily-edited and self-serving oeuvre going to galvanize support for his targets among conservatives while alienating thoughtful, informed liberals (he has plenty of detractors on the Left, to be sure)? Of course.


Yeah, how dare he make movies that motivate the left politically the same way that Hannity and Limbaugh mobilize the right wing!

*Who* won the last election after Moores' allegedly damning Farenheit: 9/11?

At least that "LOSER" has been productive during his years as a film-maker.. Which is more than I can say about most liberals who just like to complain with no action.. Michael Moore may be alot of this, but when all is said and done, he DOES use the Right-Wing's tactics against them, and IF the Democratic Party and others liberals in this country did the same, maybe they wouldn't be in the same position that they are in today!

Excuse me, tobedawg, but are you seriously stating that you think it's somehow worthy of respect or consideration that Moore is a partisan hack and charlatan because Hannity and Limbaugh are?

Actually, in a back-handed way I kind of agree with you here. Moore's shtick has been poked so full of holes, his routine exposed for the fraud it is so many times, and his claims dissected and shredded by actual informed people that it's a wonder that anyone would even take him seriously...yet they do, just as people tune in to Hannity and Limbaugh et al on the Right to have their beliefs validated and pick up some fresh talking points for arguing with folks on the other side. It's a worrisome feature of political discourse, one which has soured me to both the GOP and the Dems.

[seafoamgreen]

I'm just pissed that it's not a sequel to Canadian Bacon.

[BigSugar]

i could have sworn he choked on a ham sandwich and died. maybe that was just a dream i had.

he does realize that Bush isn't running again, right? oh well. he's a tool of the first degree. he makes Limbaugh look like a centrist.

i swear. i might actually take a shot at that fat fucker if i had a realistic chance of not getting caught. i mean, hell, he's big as a house....i could be 2 miles away and still get a pretty clean shot. although, the caliber and fps of the bullet necessary to get through the leftover food in his beard would be daunting.

[REMgirl]

So, Big Sug, do you like him or not?

:p

[BigSugar]

He's my father.

xoxo
Luke S.

[Cleo]

I Love Michael Moore and have been a fan of his for years, and I'm going to with-hold my judgement on this film until I actually watch it..

but from what I see thus far, I also think that this is a bad idea, especially with many other issues happening here.. He could have done a movie about the outsourcing of American jobs, about the working poor (the people who work their arses off but never get ahead), or even went ahead with his film about the Health Care system..



Yeah, how dare he make movies that motivate the left politically the same way that Hannity and Limbaugh mobilize the right wing!

At least that "LOSER" has been productive during his years as a film-maker.. Which is more than I can say about most liberals who just like to complain with no action.. Michael Moore may be alot of this, but when all is said and done, he DOES use the Right-Wing's tactics against them, and IF the Democratic Party and others liberals in this country did the same, maybe they wouldn't be in the same position that they are in today!

Anyone who degrades Charlton Heston the way he did in Bowling for Columbine, will not have my respect. People seem to forget he (Heston) was one of the few people that had the balls to march with MLK to demand equal rights for minorities.
The type of 'documentary' Michael Moore makes, is the equivalent of a no-brainer Hollywood movie. He throws facts at you with such speed that he doesn't let the audience digest them: 'just see my pt, my way of seeing things is right and here are the facts'
That's why I don't like Michael Moore...

[tobedawg]

Anyone who degrades Charlton Heston the way he did in Bowling for Columbine, will not have my respect. People seem to forget he (Heston) was one of the few people that had the balls to march with MLK to demand equal rights for minorities.

Uh.. So did Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.. He didn't "Degrade" Heston as he did question his motives.. He asked Heston about WHY the NRA would hold rallies in cities right after school shootings and tragedies occured.. Heston couldn't answer the questions.

The type of 'documentary' Michael Moore makes, is the equivalent of a no-brainer Hollywood movie. He throws facts at you with such speed that he doesn't let the audience digest them: 'just see my pt, my way of seeing things is right and here are the facts'

It's called POLITICAL DISCOURSE in America..

The same could be said about FOX News (the O'Reilly Factor, Hannity), etc.. The method that Moore uses has proven effective.. Look at the success of Rush Limbaugh and FOX Propaganda "News".. The only reason why there seems to be an outcry over Moore because "Oh My God! People On the Left are supposed to be neutered NPR type folks that don't really fight back!".. Michael Moore puts an end to this and puts the right-wing in it's place, laughing at them all the while!

[tobedawg]

*Who* won the last election after Moores' allegedly damning Farenheit: 9/11?

Yes but only by 3.5 million votes, there were many new voters mobilized, not just the queer-hating red staters that turned out to vote for Bush..

[Shlep]

Uh.. So did Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.. He didn't "Degrade" Heston as he did question his motives.. He asked Heston about WHY the NRA would hold rallies in cities right after school shootings and tragedies occured.. Heston couldn't answer the questions.

TDG, that "interview" with Heston was nothing but an ax job, pure b.s. ambush journalism. Ditto his interview with Dick Clark; a small child gets shot because a young boy was in a house with his father who was a drug-dealing crimminal scumbag who left a gun he wasn't suppose to have lying around for the kid to find, who takes it to school. The boy was at the home because mom was off working at one of Dick Clarks' theme restaurants. So Moore tracks down Dick Clark to bust his balls about this since-- apparently-- Dick needs to answer for it since as we all know, the CEO of any decent company that cares about its' employees takes it upon himself to raise all the employees' kids...or something. Actually, I'm not sure what the hell Moores' point was in that. He never seems to say, and given the frequent self-conradicting he does in his work, he himself doesn't seem to know.

And as numerous sites have pointed out, the NRA did in fact cancel all events in Denver with the exception of one, which the NRA couldn't cancel. He goes on to attribute remarks made by Heston at an entirely different meeting to the rally in Denver.

But selective quoting, self-serving manipulation of timelines, and outright brazen editing of speeches are just par for the course for Moore. Again, I have no idea why he's taken seriously.

It's called POLITICAL DISCOURSE in America..

Kind of like when I watch people of Scarborough Country shouting each other down; it's "political discourse." Yell louder, be more outrageous, and get the last word.

The same could be said about FOX News (the O'Reilly Factor, Hannity), etc.. The method that Moore uses has proven effective.. Look at the success of Rush Limbaugh and FOX Propaganda "News".. The only reason why there seems to be an outcry over Moore because "Oh My God! People On the Left are supposed to be neutered NPR type folks that don't really fight back!".. Michael Moore puts an end to this and puts the right-wing in it's place, laughing at them all the while!

That's absurd.

1) I would just like to mention to you, and the other stridently liberal members of our happy little corner of the 'Net here: there ARE news outlets other than Hannity, Rush, and FOX News. Really.

2) The reason why there's an outcry is that people-- and not just humorless, puritanical, Bible-addled, gun-toting conservatives but quite a few liberals-- not only disagree with his opinions (someone mentioned earlier that this is called "POLITICAL DISCOURSE in America") but moreover his shoddy and often deliberately misleading methods. If anything, he does a disservice the mainstream liberalism by taking traditionally liberal talking points and using outright lying to bolster them.

3) "Puts the Right-wing in its' place"? I'll bet the inceased Congressional majority they gained in spite of Moores' best efforts really chastened them.

[markalot]

Fuck it Schlep.

The morons who like Moore sit and watch his movies and yell FUCK YEA, YOU TELL EM, YOU ARE SO FUCKING RIGHT! Screw the MAN! And don't have a single thought about what the world would be like if people behaved the way Moore wants them too. Like a company delving into the private life of an employee to make sure they aren't doing something stupid.

If tobedawg is suggesting that the way to get better is to have more hacks yelling at us then he's just another moron. The left will rise again in spite of idiots like him.

third person 4tehwin!

[Shlep]

Yes but only by 3.5 million votes, there were many new voters mobilized, not just the queer-hating red staters that turned out to vote for Bush..

Right, gotcha, forgot about that. Only queer-hating red-staters voted for Bush, TDG; I understand Moore and quite a few liberal opinion-merchants agree with you...and might I say, I am confounded as to how liberals seem to keep losing seats (and relevance) in high office when they so clearly have their finger on the collective pulse of this country.

[seafoamgreen]

Kind of like when I watch people of Scarborough Country shouting each other down; it's "political discourse." Yell louder, be more outrageous, and get the last word.

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so you're the one who's been watching Scarborough Country? huh.

i thought i was alone.

[Shlep]

so you're the one who's been watching Scarborough Country? huh.

i thought i was alone.

p_o and I have only a smattering of basic cable channels, with CNN and MSNBC providing the news (local hair merchants talking about east Tennessee issues notwithstanding).

Every once in awhile, over dinner, it comes down to choosing between Scarborough Country and Nancy Grace...and since I know what Nancy is going to say (specifically: "As an experienced prosecutor, I know better than anyone that trials are a waste of time since I can spot guilty fuckers on sight!") and her grim visage and that helmet-hairdo of hers makes her look like a blond Cape buffalo preparing to charge through the TV at me (which is unsettlings) I'll gamble the Scarborough might have an interesting guest on.

[seafoamgreen]

p_o and I have only a smattering of basic cable channels, with CNN and MSNBC providing the news (local hair merchants talking about east Tennessee issues notwithstanding).

Every once in awhile, over dinner, it comes down to choosing between Scarborough Country and Nancy Grace...and since I know what Nancy is going to say (specifically: "As an experienced prosecutor, I know better than anyone that trials are a waste of time since I can spot guilty fuckers on sight!") and her grim visage and that helmet-hairdo of hers makes her look like a blond Cape buffalo preparing to charge through the TV at me (which is unsettlings) I'll gamble the Scarborough might have an interesting guest on.

i've had that very same argument with myself. although it's time to come out and say that i kinda love Tucker Carlson's show. even though, and perhaps because, he's a total douchebag.

[BigSugar]

on the ladder of "Things the Planet Can Do Without", Michael Moore is the equivalent of anal leakage.

[The Sheck]

I thought he was doing a film about the health care system in the U.S. Either way, I used to be a fan of his work until I discovered he manipulates facts to make it seem like it's the absolute truth. He's no better than the folks on the right whom people decry. I think it's a damn shame there are people who sincerely believe in the guy when all he's out for is to make a quick buck off the hopes, dreams, and fears of the left. He's one of the few people on the street I would spit on given the opportunity.

[tobedawg]

Right, gotcha, forgot about that. Only queer-hating red-staters voted for Bush, TDG; I understand Moore and quite a few liberal opinion-merchants agree with you...and might I say, I am confounded as to how liberals seem to keep losing seats (and relevance) in high office when they so clearly have their finger on the collective pulse of this country.

No, no.. The Queer Haters were what were mobilized especially to vote for Bush, but NOT the only ones that Voted for Bush, obviously.. Them, coupled with John Kerry's shitty campaign put Bush over the top..

The reason why liberals are losing? They don't fight back! If more of them got a backbone and were mobilized like Michael Moore, maybe the Dems wouldn't be in the sad shape they are in now.. Look at how much Rush Limbaugh mobilized people to vote Republican during the 1990's.. I give the man credit for the Republican Congressional Revolution of 1994..

Republicans are where they are today because the Democrats and liberals have dropped the ball, and ATTACK POLITICS WORK!


Kind of like when I watch people of Scarborough Country shouting each other down; it's "political discourse." Yell louder, be more outrageous, and get the last word.

YES.. Sadly this method has proven effective.. Look at FOX News' Ratings.. They were the #1 Cable News Network in America during the build up to the Iraq War, and the O'Reilly Factor is one of their highest rated programs! "Bring it On" Politics combined with populist language has proven to be a formula for success in American politics..

If tobedawg is suggesting that the way to get better is to have more hacks yelling at us then he's just another moron. The left will rise again in spite of idiots like him.

So, the "left's" taking the "High Road" has been so effective so far.. ?? Had John Kerry stepped out and attacked those "Swift Boat Assholes for Bush" during the 2004 Elections he could have been sitting in the White House RIGHT NOW!

1) I would just like to mention to you, and the other stridently liberal members of our happy little corner of the 'Net here: there ARE news outlets other than Hannity, Rush, and FOX News. Really.

YES, but How are their ratings? How is NPR doing when put up against Limbaugh? The message isn't really effective if no one is listening and the average American isn't..


2) The reason why there's an outcry is that people-- and not just humorless, puritanical, Bible-addled, gun-toting conservatives but quite a few liberals-- not only disagree with his opinions (someone mentioned earlier that this is called "POLITICAL DISCOURSE in America") but moreover his shoddy and often deliberately misleading methods. If anything, he does a disservice the mainstream liberalism by taking traditionally liberal talking points and using outright lying to bolster them.

Once again, who is better at mobilizing the liberal base Michael Moore or a mainstream liberal like FOX News' Alan Colmes?

On the other hand who has been more effective at mobilizing the conservative base Sean Hannity or George Will?

3) "Puts the Right-wing in its' place"? I'll bet the inceased Congressional majority they gained in spite of Moores' best efforts really chastened them.

IF the right wasn't so threatened by him, then why would they be constantly attacking him?

[Shlep]

No, no.. The Queer Haters were what were mobilized especially to vote for Bush, but NOT the only ones that Voted for Bush, obviously.. Them, coupled with John Kerry's shitty campaign put Bush over the top..

We'll just have to agree to disagree here, TDG. I simply can't accept that gay marriage was a deal-breaker for any significant voting bloc in 2004.

The reason why liberals are losing? They don't fight back! If more of them got a backbone and were mobilized like Michael Moore, maybe the Dems wouldn't be in the sad shape they are in now.. Look at how much Rush Limbaugh mobilized people to vote Republican during the 1990's.. I give the man credit for the Republican Congressional Revolution of 1994..

The Democrats have *no* friends in the media? No support in the mainstream? Nobody "rocking the vote" for them? No grass-roots support on campus?

I can't reconcile this notion of a puritanical, right-wing, close-minded country overwhelmed with legions of queer-hating conservative voters with the country that kept Clinton in office with enviable approval ratings which at their lowest, by my recollection, were still well above what twice-elected wartime prez Bush has now.

The Dems have a problem, more than one I think. Lack of "mobilizing" ain't one of 'em.

YES.. Sadly this method has proven effective.. Look at FOX News' Ratings.. They were the #1 Cable News Network in America during the build up to the Iraq War...

That being about two and a half years ago.

...and the O'Reilly Factor is one of their highest rated programs!

That's like saying that "The O"Franken Factor" is one of Air Americas' highest-rated programs. It may well be...what of it? Of all the sermons being preached to the choir, Bill O'Reilly has the most popular.

So, the "left's" taking the "High Road" has been so effective so far.. ?? Had John Kerry stepped out and attacked those "Swift Boat Assholes for Bush" during the 2004 Elections he could have been sitting in the White House RIGHT NOW!

So you're saying there was *NOBODY* in Kerrys' cheering section countering the Swiftboat Vets?

TDG: liberals with deep pockets started up and funded media organs (i.e. MoveOn.org, CounterPunch, TruthOut), made celebrated "documentary" films (Farenheit 9/11) and an entire syndicated radio network (Air America) for the avowed purpose of booting Bush out of the White House. I'm afraid I still can't buy this notion of lack of lefty media support.

YES, but How are their ratings? How is NPR doing when put up against Limbaugh? The message isn't really effective if no one is listening and the average American isn't..

Conservative talk radio prospers because that's what listeners want. If there was a demand for more liberal commentary, we'd have it.

Once again, who is better at mobilizing the liberal base Michael Moore or a mainstream liberal like FOX News' Alan Colmes?

Better question: who would you, as a liberal, prefer to be bringing the message you believe in to the masses? A self-promoting, duplicitous, lying gadfly like Mike Moore or a lucid, well-spoken, informed liberal like Alan Colmes?

On the other hand who has been more effective at mobilizing the conservative base Sean Hannity or George Will?

I wouldn't know. Though Will has been on the vangaurd of conservative opinion since people were saying "Sean Hanni-WHO?" and, I'd wager, will still be when Hannity is anchoring a late-night blather-fest on local access cable somewhere.

IF the right wasn't so threatened by him, then why would they be constantly attacking him?

You've maintained adamently that the Democrats have been marginalized because of their complacency in aggressively responding to zealous attack-dog politics from the Right. I'd say you've already answered your own question here.

[threechords]

The type of 'documentary' Michael Moore makes, is the equivalent of a no-brainer Hollywood movie. He throws facts at you with such speed that he doesn't let the audience digest them: 'just see my pt, my way of seeing things is right and here are the facts'
That's why I don't like Michael Moore...That was my biggest problem with his films and books. Especially his books which are in a format suited for referencing. Sure its for a non-academic audience...that doesn't mean he couldn't back up your statements with documented evidence like any high school kid has to. For example in Stupid White Men his first few pages have footnotes and then its free sailing dropping shocking accusations left and right to get the reader into a right state of outrage just to have some of those facts called into questions and have the whole thing shot to pieces.
The guy is so full of himself and pretentious that his message, which a whole lot of people agree with gets skewed. If only intelligent voices were blasted as loud as Michael Moore's we'd see significant change....
PS - Watch the BBC's THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES for an effective documentary. You can get it online. Do it now! here (http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares)

[tobedawg]

We'll just have to agree to disagree here, TDG. I simply can't accept that gay marriage was a deal-breaker for any significant voting bloc in 2004.

It Wasn't necessarily a "Deal Breaking" but it did mobilize the Social Conservative Base of the Republican Party.. Karl Rove had even stated after the 2000 Election that "A Presidential Candidate CAN win solely with the support of the Evangelicals"..

I can't reconcile this notion of a puritanical, right-wing, close-minded country overwhelmed with legions of queer-hating conservative voters with the country that kept Clinton in office with enviable approval ratings which at their lowest, by my recollection, were still well above what twice-elected wartime prez Bush has now.

This is because Clinton was NOT A liberal! He was a Moderate to Conservative.. During his time in office, he signed NAFTA and the Defense of Marriage Act which has paved the way to the many problems that we are facing now..

The Dems have a problem, more than one I think. Lack of "mobilizing" ain't one of 'em.

Don't think so huh? Look at the Republicans and compare them to the Democrats..

The Democratic Party is a MESS! They can't find a position that they can consistently stick to, they don't stick together and aren't good at communicating a clear message. They are dividied, and when they DO speak, they tend to use language that comes across as elitist in nature..

Compare to the Republicans, who tend to stick together on most issues.. They pound their message into the ground, kicking, screaming, yelling, and shouting.. When they talk, they use excellent talking points that sound as if they are from a "Good Neighbor" or a "Good Friend", and they stay on message and KNOW how to manipulate the language to spin things in their favor..

That being about two and a half years ago.

FOX News will bounce back.. Look at Rush Limbaugh and ALL of the radio markets that his show has been #1 since the 1990's during Conservative Talk's heyday.. Many people who otherwise wouldn't listen to political talk radio tuned in and said "Hey.. This Guy Makes Sense" and therefore became Dittoheads!.. Rush didn't get the following that he has today by being "Mr. Nice Guy"..

TDG: liberals with deep pockets started up and funded media organs (i.e. MoveOn.org, CounterPunch, TruthOut), made celebrated "documentary" films (Farenheit 9/11) and an entire syndicated radio network (Air America) for the avowed purpose of booting Bush out of the White House. I'm afraid I still can't buy this notion of lack of lefty media support.

All of the above websites aren't widely known websites to the masses.. Air America Radio was only heard in select markets prior to the election with very little promotional budget put behind the stations.. "Farenheit 9/11" was the BIGGEST Grossing Documentary of ALL TIME, thanks to Michael Moore and his brilliance and ability to use the Right's tactics against them..

Better question: who would you, as a liberal, prefer to be bringing the message you believe in to the masses? A self-promoting, duplicitous, lying gadfly like Mike Moore or a lucid, well-spoken, informed liberal like Alan Colmes?

You got me there.. Alan Colmes seems to represent the Modern Day Liberal Movement better than Michael Moore does.. "Be a Republican Punching Bag, and Don't try to Stir things up too much!"


I wouldn't know. Though Will has been on the vangaurd of conservative opinion since people were saying "Sean Hanni-WHO?" and, I'd wager, will still be when Hannity is anchoring a late-night blather-fest on local access cable somewhere.

Hannity is the rising star of TV Commentary News.. I predict that he will be the Next Limbaugh..