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despondent
24 Oct 2005, 05:52 PM
Christian Group Wants To Redeem U.S. States (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051024/od_nm/religion_secession_dc;_ylt=AhLeBX0o9B8q3yzSQgVv78X tiBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--)


By Harriet McLeodMon Oct 24,11:13 AM ET

Cory Burnell wants to set up a Christian nation within the United States where abortion is illegal, gay marriage is banned, schools cannot teach evolution, children can pray to Jesus in public schools and the Ten Commandments are posted publicly.

To that end, Burnell, 29, left the Republican Party, moved from California and founded Christian Exodus two years ago with the goal of redirecting the United States by "redeeming" one state at a time.

First up for redemption is South Carolina.

Burnell hopes to move 2,500 Christians into the northern part of the state by next year and to persuade tens of thousands to relocate by 2016. His goal is to fill the state legislature with "Christian constitutionalists."

The push comes at a time when Christian fundamentalism is a growing force in U.S. politics, displays of the Ten Commandments in government buildings are spurring litigation and President George W. Bush is touting the evangelical Christian credentials of Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers.

Christian Exodus officially started in May 2004, reaching people mainly through the Internet. Since then, five families and two individuals have relocated to South Carolina, Burnell said.

The organization, which claims about 1,000 members, held its first conference October 15-16 to promote its agenda. About 50 people from as far away as Ohio and Oregon attended.

Burnell picked South Carolina partly for its Christian majority and conservative politics.

"Historically, Southerners do have a states' rights mentality," he said. "Christians in the North are experiencing the most liberalism, or you could say persecution."

Christian Exodus hopes to throw off what it considers unconstitutional burdens imposed by the federal government. Examples, Burnell said, are federal spending on public education and the National Endowment for the Arts, and the use of the courts "to teach that Heather has two mommies."

"We (want to) force Washington, D.C., to reform itself by not going along with it," he said.

The organization's Web site says if it does not meet its goal of change, it will work to secede from the United States.

South Carolina was the first state to secede from the union in 1860, and the first shots of the U.S. Civil War were fired from Charleston's Battery onto Fort Sumter.

The group's reception in South Carolina has been mixed.

Arthur Bryngelson, chairman of the Dorchester County Republican Party, spoke at a Christian Exodus' conference and said he would encourage Christian Exodus members to become Republicans.

"I consider myself to be a fundamental Christian," he said. "I'm with (Christian Exodus) all the way up to secession. ... I'm not in favor of going down to the Battery and firing on Fort Sumter again."

State Sen. Mike Fair, a Republican who described himself as "a narrow-minded, right-wing, fundamentalist fanatic," said he was suspicious of Christian Exodus.

"I had huge credibility problems with them," he said. "Their plank for this perceived buckle of the Bible Belt, they're so far off the mark. I don't think they're going to get much traction."

Joel Sawyer, spokesman for Republican Gov. Mark Sanford, would not comment except to say, "We have a great state with a great quality of life that's certainly open to anyone."

Columbia attorney Herbert E. Buhl III, who does legal work for the American Civil Liberties Union, said he received "a nasty little letter ... calling me a liar" from a Christian Exodus representative.

Buhl said the letter came after he had represented Wiccan Darla Wynne, who successfully sued the town of Great Falls to remove the name of Jesus Christ from pre-meeting prayers. The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed in 2004 with a federal judge that the town's prayers were an unconstitutional endorsement of religion by government.

"This should be a nonissue," Buhl said. "It's separation of church and state. This is black-letter law."

Emperor Wog
24 Oct 2005, 05:55 PM
Sounds like a town that could come straight out of a Stephen King novel. Small, dark, and steeped in evil.

crank-e
24 Oct 2005, 05:57 PM
Too bad Burnell hasn't moved to SC himself to join the 5 families of evangelicals that bought into his spiel.

markalot
24 Oct 2005, 06:27 PM
South Carolina, of course!

First to secede from the union, threatened more than once since, I mean what the hell, we don't need that stinking state anyway.

Shlep
24 Oct 2005, 08:41 PM
Cory Burnell wants to set up a Christian nation within the United States where abortion is illegal, gay marriage is banned, schools cannot teach evolution, children can pray to Jesus in public schools and the Ten Commandments are posted publicly.

Cory Burnell ought to forget South Carolina and look at Texas. Specifically, take the above criteria and apply it in a place that has lots of oil and friends/former classmates of the Bush family and voila, you have a Christian-friendly version of Saudi Arabia that's accessible by car (no more 18-hour flights).

yoshomon
24 Oct 2005, 09:21 PM
I remember this from the Daily Show. Hilarious!

Blank Frank
24 Oct 2005, 09:38 PM
Cory Burnell wants to set up a Christian nation within the United States where abortion is illegal, gay marriage is banned, schools cannot teach evolution, children can pray to Jesus in public schools and the Ten Commandments are posted publicly.

To that end, Burnell, 29, left the Republican Party, moved from California and founded Christian Exodus two years ago with the goal of redirecting the United States by "redeeming" one state at a time."

Wait... I'm confused.. this person left the Republican party to achieve this end??

despondent
24 Oct 2005, 11:01 PM
Wait... I'm confused.. this person left the Republican party to achieve this end??
Yeah, apparantly the Republican party was too liberal for his tastes.

miami2112
25 Oct 2005, 08:04 AM
just what we need, more religion. yay. :rolleyes:

tobedawg
25 Oct 2005, 08:07 AM
Why doesn't somebody tell them that the end is coming so that they can drink some Kool Aid and Go away!

"Reforming the U.S. One State at a Time" sounds a little Naziesque to me, but as long as these folks keep being underestimated, they will continue to succeed...

loveydovey
25 Oct 2005, 08:10 AM
"Christians in the North are experiencing the most liberalism, or you could say persecution."


Jesus? A response, please?

miami2112
25 Oct 2005, 08:12 AM
shouldnt god be sounding in on this one?

turdferguson
25 Oct 2005, 08:28 AM
"Historically, Southerners do have a states' rights mentality," he said. "Christians in the North are experiencing the most liberalism, or you could say persecution."

By persecution do they mean being told no thanks when they try and force their beliefs on you. I get it now. It's my stubborn atheism getting in the way of their 1000th convert and consequently their new toaster oven.


State Sen. Mike Fair, a Republican who described himself as "a narrow-minded, right-wing, fundamentalist fanatic," said he was suspicious of Christian Exodus.

Since when is narrow-minded something to be proud of. I'm betting that was his campaign slogan. "Vote for Fair because he's anything but."

BigSugar
25 Oct 2005, 08:50 AM
what they should do is move to a western state....maybe one with a giant lake....maybe even a salty lake. control the legislature. support child marriage and bigamy. adopt a state religion, and then spring forth a family of giant toothed, brunette singers and get a TV show!!!

oh wait......sorry. i thought it sounded familiar. nevermind.

monkey neck
25 Oct 2005, 03:58 PM
Wait a minute. When people in blue states threatened to secede, you're all behind it, but when this comes up, you think it's crazy.

Seriously, though, how bad would it be with a society with no crime, you could actually trust people, you could expect your car to be in your driveway each morning without being molested by a meth addict looking for spare change to fund his next fix, you could sleep at night without someone's bass in their car stereo rattling your windows and waking you up.

I know it wouldn't be that perfect, but hey, at least you gotta give them credit for trying.

Shlep
25 Oct 2005, 04:00 PM
Why doesn't somebody tell them that the end is coming so that they can drink some Kool Aid and Go away!

I'd settle for them just heading off the Guyana, not to be heard from again.

Orville Wrong
25 Oct 2005, 04:03 PM
lets put them all in TX, cut it off and float it out into the ocean...

:D


oooooooo, got a better idea. go ahead and give them SC, build fifty foot walls all around the state, give them all guns and call it Jerico.
If it gets rid of fucking Austin, I'm all for it. I'm assuming they'll lynch Steve Earle, or hang him by a guitar string. Good riddance.

Tripod 3
25 Oct 2005, 04:08 PM
I'd settle for them just heading off the Guyana, not to be heard from again.

What is "the Guyana"?

purple_octopus
25 Oct 2005, 04:25 PM
to Guyana?

Shlep
25 Oct 2005, 04:37 PM
What is "the Guyana"?

to Guyana?

Yes.

Damn me and my dyslexic typing.