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loveydovey
24 Aug 2005, 02:50 PM
. . . as opposed to a vaccine, apparently.

This has probably been posted before, but considering how many of us are walking around with some type of HPV infection, you can never have too many reminders.

Will cancer vaccine get to all women?
18 April 2005
NewScientist.com news service
Debora MacKenzie

DEATHS from cervical cancer could jump fourfold to a million a year by 2050, mainly in developing countries. This could be prevented by soon-to-be-approved vaccines against the virus that causes most cases of cervical cancer - but there are signs that opposition to the vaccines might lead to many preventable deaths.

The trouble is that the human papilloma virus (HPV) is sexually transmitted. So to prevent infection, girls will have to be vaccinated before they become sexually active, which could be a problem in many countries.

In the US, for instance, religious groups are gearing up to oppose vaccination, despite a survey showing 80 per cent of parents favour vaccinating their daughters. "Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV," says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group that has made much of the fact that, because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV.

"Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a licence to engage in premarital sex," Maher claims, though it is arguable how many young women have even heard of the virus.

Meanwhile in developing countries, where 80 per cent of deaths from cervical cancer occur, social taboos may be even more powerful. The head of the Indian Council of Medical Research, N. K. Ganguly, says it will take a big educational effort to convince parents. Vaccinating men could be the best way to prevent the spread of HPV among women.

HPV is extremely common. Half of all sexually active women between 18 and 22 in the US are infected. Most cases clear up, but sometimes infection persists and can cause cancer decades later.

Deaths in the west have plummeted thanks to widespread screening to detect cancers early. But such screening is not widely available in developing countries. In many, populations are ageing: in India the number of women over 60 is projected to rise from 40 million now to 168 million in 2050. The International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyon, France, calculates that by then deaths from cervical cancer will reach a million a year in poor countries if rates of infection, and of cancer detection and treatment, do not improve.

While vaccination could slash infection rates, its cancer-preventing benefits will not be evident for decades, as it will take that long for vaccinated girls to reach an age when they might otherwise have developed cancer. Meanwhile, millions of women who are already infected must be screened and treated. If there is widespread resistance to vaccination, it will take even longer for its benefits to become clear.

Vaccines are producing good results in clinical trials, and the first could be licensed as early as next year. GlaxoSmithKline announced in November 2004 that its vaccine, which contains two strains of HPV thought to cause 70 per cent of cervical cancers, had prevented 90 per cent of new infections and all persistent infections. The US-based firm Merck announced similar results last week with its vaccine, which contains the same two cancer-causing HPV strains plus two strains that cause genital warts.

“Vaccinating men could be the best way to prevent the spread of the cancer-causing virus among women”Merck's official reason for including the warts strains is that they can confuse screening tests, leading to unnecessary scares. But another reason, says Anne Szarewski of the charity Cancer Research UK, who is helping to organise one of the vaccine trials, is that men who get vaccinated to prevent disfiguring warts will no longer transmit the cancer-causing strains to women. That might be the key to getting vaccines accepted in cultures where trying to prevent sexually transmitted infections is equated with promiscuity.

"We found that some Asian women in Britain are afraid even to get tested for HPV infection, because they say if it is positive they will be killed, never mind that their husbands probably gave it to them," says Szarewski. She feels that such attitudes may mean that HPV vaccination may be a non-starter in such communities.

Greg Zimet of Indiana University in Indianapolis is more optimistic. His surveys in the US show parents overwhelmingly favour getting their daughters vaccinated. "Doctors tend to fear the worst," he says.

But some problems have already surfaced. India is planning to do its own clinical trials, but will not test the vaccine in young girls. "This is not possible until around the age of marriage in India," Ganguly says.

Once licensed, the vaccine should be given to younger girls, he says. "But people will say 'My girl is very virtuous, why vaccinate?' It will be a real challenge, not like other vaccines."

Last but not least is the cost. Ganguly is trying to arrange for an HPV vaccine to be produced cheaply in India. But there are fears India's new patent laws will make licensing deals difficult.

Thanks, Bridget and friends, for being so reasonable and compassionate. Talk about American Taliban . . .

gwar469
24 Aug 2005, 03:01 PM
Abstinence pros:
No pregnancy
No transmittance of STD's
No money spent on contraceptives
No fear from the first two items

Abstinence cons:
No mind blowing orgasms

Fuck that abstinence shit. Get that vaccine moving.

Seriously, how BS is it to go with such an unrealistic route as abstinence of the masses, and try to force people to not get the vaccine. At least it seems a majority of the parents' surveyed are realistic about the whole thing.

The Big Crunch
24 Aug 2005, 03:28 PM
Hah! This completely overlooks the fact that most strains of HPV are so contagious that if you look at someone for more than two minutes straight who is infected with HPV then YOU TOO will have it. Amazing how quickly that thing became visually transferrable.

Seriously, if a 100% effective vaccine for HIV was discovered, the ultra-religious right would oppose it on the grounds that it would lead to everyone becoming gay.

BigSugar
24 Aug 2005, 03:42 PM
well, abstinence is kinda the best way to prevent it. really. same with pregnancy. no fucky, no sucky, no sicky. if it works though, we should just put it in the water with everything else.....then only backwoods hicks with wells will get sick.....natural selection at work. ;)

Orville Wrong
24 Aug 2005, 03:55 PM
well, abstinence is kinda the best way to prevent it. really. same with pregnancy. no fucky, no sucky, no sicky. if it works though, we should just put it in the water with everything else.....then only backwoods hicks with wells will get sick.....natural selection at work. ;)
Well, Bridget is right about the abstinence being superior to a vaccine. It is 100% effective, without the inherent dangers of vaccination.

A vaccine is not a chemical, as most of you probably know, it is composed of either dead or hobbled viruses, and does run a risk of causing infection itself. Some (cholera, I think) are more dangerous than others.

Opposing the vaccination on the grounds that is somehow a green light for bumping uglies is dumb.

loveydovey
24 Aug 2005, 04:08 PM
There are sooooo many ways to contract HPV - skin-to-skin contact doesn't always mean screwing. That's why so many people have it, and also why abstinence from sex alone isn't likely to prevent it. I say, toss in the vaccine with all the other innoculations kids get when they're little (as long as it's safe for that age, of course.)

markalot
24 Aug 2005, 05:33 PM
So when is abstinence not the best way to solve a problem?

Don't want to get in a car wreck, don't get in a car.

Fear of tripping over curbs, don't walk outside.

Fear of shitting your pants, don't get off the toilet.

yvette7ica
24 Aug 2005, 06:17 PM
I think the governments of the world should issue uniforms for the human race consisting of full body suits with attached gloves made from a material that breaths but can be padlocked at the zipper to enforce abstinence and protect from germs. That would be the most feasible and working solution for HPV, poison ivy and common the cold prevention.

Patent pending

Buzzstein
24 Aug 2005, 07:36 PM
So when is abstinence not the best way to solve a problem?

Don't want to get in a car wreck, don't get in a car.

Fear of tripping over curbs, don't walk outside.

Fear of shitting your pants, don't get off the toilet.

as far as I know there are no vaccines for those things.

Sushi
24 Aug 2005, 08:24 PM
From the Center for Disease Control website: (http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm#Howget)

Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV. At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year.

I wonder how long such a vaccination would be effective? Long enough to, say, cover a young woman who may get married, be in a monogamous relationship, and then get divorced and discovered she has HPV? I don't think giving a vaccination is going to encourage people to go out and have multiple/more sexual partners than they would have without the vaccination. People are going to have sex whether or not they're married and whether or not they are chronological adults by the standards of whatever state or country they live in. It feels good. People are going to do it. Give your kid the vaccination. Give her a solid ethical core that teaches her to make sensible decisions. Give her a strong sense of self and enough confidence that she won't need to look for validation through sex. Then cross your fingers.