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markalot
09 Aug 2005, 03:53 PM
Iran's Nuclear Program

-editorial-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/08/AR2005080801369.html

Tuesday, August 9, 2005; Page A16

LAST FRIDAY, Britain, France and Germany -- the three European nations that had been negotiating the future of the Iranian nuclear program -- put their final proposal on the table. Among other things, they offered Iran a role in the discussion of regional security issues, a trade and cooperation agreement, and technical advice on everything from seismology to aircraft safety. Most important, they promised Iran access to nuclear fuel and to nuclear technology that would be more than adequate, negotiators said, for the peaceful generation of nuclear power. In exchange, they asked Iran to cease enriching uranium -- a process that can lead to the production of nuclear weapons -- and to allow regular inspections of all Iranian nuclear facilities.

In making their proposal, the Europeans were clear about its significance. Had Iran agreed to the proposal, negotiators said, the move would have been widely understood as a sign that the Iranian government wanted a responsible role in the international community and that Iran's nuclear program really was intended for peaceful purposes only. The choice, as some put it, was between "jobs and bombs": Does Iran prefer to be isolated from the rest of the world, economically and politically, or does Iran want to give up its nuclear ambitions and become part of the international economy?


Yet on Saturday, Iran turned down the proposal. Now there is no further room for obfuscation, and no further reason to give Iranians the benefit of the doubt: The real aim of the Iranian nuclear program is nuclear weapons, not electric power. Those in Washington and elsewhere who have always believed that the Iranians want nuclear weapons have a right to feel that their skepticism was justified. Nevertheless, the experience of letting the Europeans do it their way, offering trade and economic incentives before bringing in sanctions or making any military threats, has been enormously important. Given both the history of flawed U.S. intelligence reporting on nuclear programs, and the fact that recent estimates place Iranian nuclear weapons six to 10 years in the future, it would have been extremely difficult for the United States on its own to get the rest of the world to agree on any sanctions regime. Now, any steps taken to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons will have international credibility.

What remains to be seen is whether the Europeans will come through, as they have promised they would, with a tough-minded push for sanctions. So far, so good: Today, the International Atomic Energy Agency is to hold an emergency session to discuss the Iranian nuclear program, and most expect the IAEA to eventually refer the issue to the U.N. Security Council. But the real test is long-term. E.U. and U.S. leaders should prepare a program of serious economic, technological and military sanctions to back up the United Nations' statements. The United States should also continue to endorse the European proposal, which explicitly recognizes Iran's right to a peaceful nuclear program, giving Iran further incentive to choose "jobs" over "bombs." All involved must also start speaking to other countries -- China, Russia, Japan -- to build international momentum.

The conclusion of these talks means that there is no excuse for Europe and the United States not to act in tandem; neither should they take any option off the table. It is no longer possible to consider the Iranian nuclear threat as anything but deadly serious.

markalot
09 Aug 2005, 03:58 PM
It's going to get interesting unless Iran backs down.

Even if we put sanctions on Iran, if they continue to develop or appear to be developing weapons we (including europe) have to act or Israel will.

the happy prole
09 Aug 2005, 04:23 PM
Isn't that what Israel is for?

I thought deal was we give them tons of money and let them exterminate Muslims however they want, so long as it keeps our name out of it.

markalot
09 Aug 2005, 04:41 PM
Yep, seems that way sometimes, but wasn't Israel a UN action? It's all cool then.

the happy prole
09 Aug 2005, 05:00 PM
Yeah the UN created Israel at the same time they made Palesti-- uh, yeah so anyway, the UN created Israel.

Like I said, it keeps our name out of it...

markalot
10 Aug 2005, 09:20 AM
Here we go. I'm wondering how long we should wait on these asshats to do something. Maybe until Iran has a bomb? This is why I believed the Iraq war was justified (note past tense). I don't trust europe. Here we have a flagrant violation and these wimps can't even turn it over to the security council.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20050810/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_dc_100

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The German and French governments warned Iran that if it did not reconsider its rejection, the IAEA was likely to refer the country to the U.N. Security Council, which could impose sanctions.

But the draft resolution before the IAEA's 35-nation board of governors in Vienna does not mention the Security Council. Written by Britain, France and Germany, the text expresses "serious concern" about the resumption of conversion in Isfahan and urges Iran to cooperate by "re-establishing full suspension of all enrichment-related activities."

The IAEA canceled a session tentatively planned for Wednesday afternoon, signaling disagreement over the wording. Diplomats were expected to continue negotiations privately on a resolution urging Iran to suspend its latest nuclear activities.

"They need more time," IAEA spokesman Peter Rickwood said.

Iran has said it would rather be referred to the Security Council rather than give up its right to control the entire cycle of nuclear fuel — from mining uranium to enriching it.

Iran suspended enrichment and related activities, such as conversion, in October 2003 to build trust while negotiations with the Europeans proceeded. But it has expressed frustration with the talks, and has been threatening for weeks to resume parts of its enrichment program.

The United States says Iran seeks to develop nuclear weapons, but Iran denies this, saying its nuclear program is only for producing electricity.


http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050810/capt.vah10108101342.iran_nuclear_vah101.jpg

Looks easy enough to bomb.

the happy prole
10 Aug 2005, 11:40 AM
...One EU diplomat said that the United States, Russia and China and the other Western countries on the IAEA board all supported its toughly-word draft resolution...

Sounds like you need to take this up with Bush, not the UN. We seem to be content with letting them take the lead.

Anyway, this thing will have to get pretty nasty before Iran gives up their weapons development. Israel has nukes and everyone knows it. Egypt is working on it and might already have them. Iran has to follow suit. Everyone's going to have nukes in the next 10 years.