The Cleveland Browns Thread

[RedRigmaJacket]

I had to start one...

this should be a heckuva year. not because we'll be winning a lot of games, but like every 2-3 years in cleveland there is a new regime. and new drama at practically every position.

go browns.

[crazybob60]

I would be much more optimistic for your Browns if KWII wouldn't have tried his crazy stunts...yet I like Braylon Edwards A LOT, yet I still don't know how this will fair. It will be interesting though how Romeo will deal with his new crew and all. I just think it would be a lot better with KWII in the mix.

[RedRigmaJacket]

yeah - it would nice to have the highest paid tight end in NFL history to be on the field...opponents' defenses would be changed instantly.

but i'm really excited for edwards. we've got a pretty good receiver core with antonio bryant, andre davis, and northcutt. we'll just see if dilfer can get it to them.

[fasteddie]

Dilfer...damn thats rough. still wish Couch wouldve worked out for the brownies. i do like to see a strong Central err North division.

[sabos_glasses]

This one RRJ! ;)

[RedRigmaJacket]

there you are! where have you been?

my bad.

[sabos_glasses]

I think its pretty funny, myself...What's next, the semi-official Cleveland Browns thread?

[RedRigmaJacket]

nope: The Quasi-official Cleveland Browns Thread

[The Ugly Thief]

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looking forward to kicking your ass two more times this year !!!

v

[The_Deacon]

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looking forward to kicking your ass two more times this year !!!

v
I am sure the Bengals will do the same this year :p

[Handy Smurf]

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looking forward to kicking your ass two more times this year !!!

v
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Go Braves! :p

[sabos_glasses]

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Go Braves! :p

haha...oh no you dih-unt!

[RedRigmaJacket]

you know the browns will surprise you AFC North kids with some unbelievable victories. mark my words...

oh, and fuck the steelers.

[The Ugly Thief]

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/Bandwagon.jpg
Go Braves! :p

nope - been a Steelers fan from birth !

v

[The Ugly Thief]

I am sure the Bengals will do the same this year :p

http://www.steelers.com/MediaContent//2004/08/03/17/general_steelers_logo_44529.jpg

yep - we're looking forward to kicking their ass two more times as well !!!

v

[The_Deacon]

http://www.steelers.com/MediaContent//2004/08/03/17/general_steelers_logo_44529.jpg

yep - we're looking forward to kicking their ass two more times as well !!!

v
Hell yeah!!!! A little AFC North trash talking!!!!!! I love it!!!

I am glad to see it here in the Cleveland Browns thread, where all trash belongs!!!! :D ;)

[RedRigmaJacket]

I am glad to see it here in the Cleveland Browns thread, where all trash belongs!!!! :D ;)


you dick! a bengal fan is not allowed to talk trash until they have an above .500 season. when was the last time that happened?

[The_Deacon]

you dick! a bengal fan is not allowed to talk trash until they have an above .500 season. when was the last time that happened?
Oh, come on Red, don't get salty already. Just having a little fun with the fans of the AFC North. :D

As a Bengals fan, I respect that you are a loyal Browns fan. Stick with your team!!!! And lighten up a bit. :rolleyes:

[RedRigmaJacket]

i was smiling when i typed it...no bad blood.

[sabos_glasses]

a Browns fan is not allowed to talk trash until they reach a Super Bowl.

FYP (has anybody introduced this as the official abbreviation for Fixed Your Post? If not, I'm starting it.)

[sabos_glasses]

i was smiling when i typed it...no bad blood.

Ah, clearly what we have here is failure to communicate good-natured ribbing due a lack of a smiley thingy. :p :cool: :) :D ;)

[RedRigmaJacket]

sometimes i protest the use of smileys, but i suppose i could start using them... :confused:

[sabos_glasses]

see, that's what I mean. now, I can clearly tell that you are pondering that notion.

[The_Deacon]

sometimes i protest the use of smileys, but i suppose i could start using them... :confused:
THE BROWNS SUCK!!!!!! :p :D :p :D ;)

[The_Deacon]

sometimes i protest the use of smileys, but i suppose i could start using them... :confused:
Red, if the Bengals lose to your Browns on Sept. 11 (opening day)......I will never post on WOXY again :o

[sabos_glasses]

You'd really think the Browns would have settled this RB situation by now. Beware the dreaded three-headed monster.

[RedRigmaJacket]

Red, if the Bengals lose to your Browns on Sept. 11 (opening day)......I will never post on WOXY again :o


you're on!

[sabos_glasses]

And when the Bengals win.....?

[RedRigmaJacket]

he gets the satisfaction of his team winning a game that they are supposed to.

[Handy Smurf]

he gets the satisfaction of his team winning a game that they are supposed to.
not good enough, RRJ. Why about you put some o them prize winning grumble cakes of yours on the line?

[mistergugi]

he gets the satisfaction of his team winning a game that they are supposed to.
I call bull. The Brownies may be lucky if they win 7 games this year, but the Bengals are certainly NOT supposed to win this game any more than the Browns are supposed to win it. It's a new regime, but the team showed between the first exhibition game and the second that they do have a strong learning curve. We looked much better in the second game with improved run defense and another solid performance from Frye. There's hope in C-town, and that's always a good thing.

Woo! Go Browns!

[RedRigmaJacket]

i'll stop posting until the browns win. does that work?

[sabos_glasses]

i'll stop posting until the browns win. does that work?

I'd rather have a grumble cake.

[RedRigmaJacket]

I'd rather have a grumble cake.


i dont know what that is.

[sabos_glasses]

I don't either.

And Google is little help in the matter.

[Handy Smurf]

i dont know what that is.
Wow, I didnt figure a homestarrunner reference would go over everyones heads here

only in the sports forum I guess
:p

[gwar469]

Wow, I didnt figure a homestarrunner reference would go over everyones heads here

only in the sports forum I guess
:p

maybe if you'd offered them some "cheat cakes" instead of the world famous "grumble cakes". Science again!! I said science again!!

I really hope the Browns do decently this year, if just so Romeo starts out on a good foot. He's a really good coach, and he deserves this job. It's just a shame his first head coaching job is with a team that is rebuilding to the extreme.

The Browns/Bengals game on Sept. 11 is going to come down to how hungry the Bengals are, and how much to heart they've taken Lewis' "quick-start" principle. I wouldn't call this a Bengals win until the final horn sounds, and the Bengals have more points than the Browns.

[Artpunchehorse]

I need to know what Grumble Cakes and homestarrunner are

[Handy Smurf]

www.homestarrunner.com

you need an open mind and the right sense of humor

Strong Bad's emails tend to be the highlights

[The_Deacon]

i'll stop posting until the browns win. does that work?
works for me :D :p

[The_Deacon]

In 2 weeks I will rule this thread. I will be nice. I promise!!!! :p :p :p :p

[The_Deacon]

"Hear them Bengals Roaring, mean and angry...!!!" :p

[Zane]

I will be nice. I promise!!!! :p :p :p :p

Why? Like those losers deserve it! :p

[Sushi]

oh, and fuck the steelers.
Double fuck. (Sorry, hating the Steelers is just something you do when you're from this area. Just like hating the Yankees, Art Modell, and the Broncos. They put something in the water.)

Gotta experiment in the kitchen with grumblecakes...

GO BROWNS! (But we'll be on the lookout for RRJ's alternate board personalities if the Browns lose.)

[Zane]

Red, if the Bengals lose to your Browns on Sept. 11 (opening day)......I will never post on WOXY again :o

There you go again... :p

Anyone got tickets to this?? Seeing these 2 teams every year is always a wild time.

Oh yeah...IF IT'S BROWN, FLUSH IT DOWN!
(my son loves saying that!)

WHO-DEY! :D

[The_Deacon]

Hi....It's me. I just thought I would come visit here and see what is going on.

Not much I see. I also see that RRJ has not posted here since Aug. 23. :confused: :confused: . I was just wondering why Browns fans are not blowing this thread up on the eve of the Battle of Ohio.!???? ;)

[RedRigmaJacket]

i'm a busy guy.

how can you talk so much shit when your team has been so shitty for so long!? :rolleyes:


when was the last season that the bengals were above .500? when?!

[sabos_glasses]

When was the last time the Browns were in the Super Bowl?

[The_Deacon]

i'm a busy guy.

how can you talk so much shit when your team has been so shitty for so long!? :rolleyes:


when was the last season that the bengals were above .500? when?!
You are definantly on the touchy side RRJ. I would not say I am talking shit. I think it is more like having a little fun. :)

[sabos_glasses]

You are definantly on the touchy side RRJ. I would not say I am talking shit. I think it is more like having a little fun. :)

Nah, he's just messin' around. maybe you are on the touchy side :confused: :p

[The_Deacon]

Nah, he's just messin' around. maybe you are on the touchy side :confused: :p
Hell No!!! ;)

[Jonathan]

When was the last time the Browns were in the Super Bowl?

An excellent point. On the other hand, when was the last time your team was in the Super Bowl, too? :p

Love,
Steelers Fan

[xu92]

At least their uniforms match their city.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2156036

[RedRigmaJacket]

listen, i KNOW the browns are going to suck this year. i know this.

And the browns have NEVER been to the super bowl. they won the championship in 1964 - the year before joinin the NFL.

say what you will, and poll who ever is on the street, but anyone who is a true NFL fan knows that the Browns' uniform is classic and reputable. and the city rocks.

so let's just see what happens on sunday. i hope the browns only win 2 games this year - both against the bungles - so that we can get another high draft pick, and this time one that was scouted by crennel's boys.

[sabos_glasses]

And the browns have NEVER been to the super bowl. they won the championship in 1964 - the year before joinin the NFL.
I know, that's why I was careful in my wording.

say what you will, and poll who ever is on the street, but anyone who is a true NFL fan knows that the Browns' uniform is classic and reputable. and the city rocks.
Yeah, I don't know who in their right mind would prefer these awful new uniforms like the Panthers and Broncos over the Browns old digs.

so let's just see what happens on sunday. i hope the browns only win 2 games this year - both against the bungles - so that we can get another high draft pick, and this time one that was scouted by crennel's boys
You are just too realistic. You need to be an eternal optimist like Bengals fans and say "THIS IS THE YEAR!" despite all logic and history.

[The_Deacon]

Yeah RRJ, this is the time where you should be high on your team. Be more confident in your team. They have not even played a game yet.

I encourage you to get behind those Brown skid marks and push!!!!

[The_Deacon]

u ok man..............RRJ...........you there................?????

[Frost]

haha, CLEVELAND SUCKS!!!!!! :D :p

[The Mad Hater]

(waits for Frost's inevitable appearance in the OTHER thread)

[The_Deacon]

I am feeling a "Brett Farve can do amazing things with nothing" type of game coming on!! :p

[Louisianagrl]

For those of you familiar with the Poop's roster last year, I met and interviewed offensive guard Joaquim Gonzales yesterday. He's now a Colt-very cool guy! (loves Madden 2005)

[The_Deacon]

I am wondering if RRJ is ganna have a grilled CHEESE sandwich for lunch on Sunday??? Or maybe he will put out a CHEESE tray for all his Browns fan friends to enjoy at half time :confused:

I am thinking that after Brett Farve makes swiss CHEESE out of the Browns D, RRJ will just be forced to morn the loss with a CHEESY movie :p :p :p :p

[RedRigmaJacket]

i'm back, baby. good win for the brownies.

trent dilfer looked really sharp and our receivers were able to make some big plays. :cool:

[greenleeD]

I thought of you as the Brownies were on at our house. Welcome back.

[The_Deacon]

i'm back, baby. good win for the brownies.

trent dilfer looked really sharp and our receivers were able to make some big plays. :cool:
Glad to have you back.

I was down at the Bengals game;. That is all I need to say. :D

[yoshomon]

Wow, the Browns beat Green Bay. Amazing.

[mik]

yup, the Packers looked like crap. :eek: Their defense is horrible! I'm glad I didn't go to the game as I had planned - I gave my ticket up to a Browns fan at work who had never been to Lambeau before.

The NFC North may end up being like the NL West of MLB; someone will win it by default but not have a winning record!

[aqualou]

i'm back, baby. good win for the brownies.:
now we'll never get him to shut up :p

[Handy Smurf]

i'm back, baby. good win for the brownies.

trent dilfer looked really sharp and our receivers were able to make some big plays. :cool:
glad youre back buddy, I was pullin for the Browns :cool:

[The_Deacon]

yup, the Packers looked like crap. :eek: Their defense is horrible! I'm glad I didn't go to the game as I had planned - I gave my ticket up to a Browns fan at work who had never been to Lambeau before.

The NFC North may end up being like the NL West of MLB; someone will win it by default but not have a winning record!
That is bullshit. Bengals and Steelers are both 2-0. If you don't think that both, or at least one those teams will have winning record, you are crazy!

[Handy Smurf]

That is bullshit. Bengals and Steelers are both 2-0. If you don't think that both, or at least one those teams will have winning record, you are crazy!
chill Winston...he said NFC North

[The_Deacon]

chill Winston...he said NFC North
holy shit,,,,,my bad :o :o :o sorry about that :o :o

[RedRigmaJacket]

Dilfer named player of the week
The NFL recognized Browns quarterback Trent Dilfer's performance last Sunday by naming him the AFC Offensive Player of the Week.

Dilfer completed 21-of-32 passes for 336 yards with three touchdowns and a 131.8 quarterback rating. On the season, he's second in the league in total passing yards and ranks fifth in passer rating.

He's only the second Browns player to win AFC Offensive Player of the Week honors since the team's return in 1999. Tim Couch also did it in 2002.

[Homsar]

Oh, thanks a lot, Packers! Taking that recognition away from Palmer and just GIVING it to Dilfer.
I curse the Packers with a 6-10 season!
Boogity-boogity-boogity-BOO!

[jcarwash31]

I curse the Packers with a 6-10 season!

You think they will win 6?

[The_Deacon]

Dilfer named player of the week
The NFL recognized Browns quarterback Trent Dilfer's performance last Sunday by naming him the AFC Offensive Player of the Week.

Dilfer completed 21-of-32 passes for 336 yards with three touchdowns and a 131.8 quarterback rating. On the season, he's second in the league in total passing yards and ranks fifth in passer rating.

He's only the second Browns player to win AFC Offensive Player of the Week honors since the team's return in 1999. Tim Couch also did it in 2002.
Trent is second in the league in total passing yards. I wonder who is first??? :confused: :confused: Do you know RRJ? :confused: Hmmmmmm ..... I wonder who that could be :confused: :p

[RedRigmaJacket]

I'm following this game on gamecast...trent dilfer is playing well...only down 10. c'mon boys!

[seafoamgreen]

normally i'm not one to kick cleveland when it's down, oh wait, i totally am.

nice job cleveland.

this is what you get for pre-empting the eagles game.

[The_Deacon]

:( :( :( :( :( :(

[Louisianagrl]

I have never seen one QB sacked that many times in one game.

Sorry Browns fans!!! :D :D

[Homsar]

QUOTE OF THE DAY

"That’s where we failed today. We didn’t get the ball in the endzone. "

– Trent Dilfer

That's from the Browns website. Thank you Captain Obvious.
But I like that video that plays when you open the site. Nice.
Damn, Freeny had 3 sacks? Ouch.
Nice job by the Browns to keep Manning from throwing a TD pass, though.

[The_Deacon]

I have never seen one QB sacked that many times in one game.

Sorry Browns fans!!! :D :D
I have, but it was still fun to watch!!!! :p

[Zane]

Well, like I always say...if it's Brown, flush it down. :)

I didn't waste my time watching any of the game, but did Cleveland have some good D for the Colts to only score 13?

[Sushi]

Couldn't have the last post in this thread be Zane's "if it's Brown, flush it down" (even if you did give the Brown's D props against the Colts).

I'm happy they won today (and pleasantly surprised--I seriously thought they were going to choke). Someday the Browns and OSU will both win on the same weekend and all will be well with the world.

[RedRigmaJacket]

Couldn't have the last post in this thread be Zane's "if it's Brown, flush it down" (even if you did give the Brown's D props against the Colts).

I'm happy they won today (and pleasantly surprised--I seriously thought they were going to choke). Someday the Browns and OSU will both win on the same weekend and all will be well with the world.


hell yeah, sushi. i watched it on gamecast with espn.com with random telephone updates from my brothers.

dilfer is a lot better than anyone would have thought...antonio bryant is earning the No. 1 receiver position...draughns is tough...but no braylon edwards today?

go browns!

[Sushi]

He's out for a bit--sounds kind of funky. How do you let cuts and scrapes on your arm get that bad? Hope he recovers soon.

Infection Hospitalizes Browns' Edwards
Sunday, October 9, 2005 7:02 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By TOM WITHERS

CLEVELAND (AP) — Browns rookie wide receiver Braylon Edwards remained hospitalized Sunday following surgery to treat an infection in his right arm.

Edwards practiced all week and was not listed on the team's injury report for Cleveland's game against the Chicago Bears. Browns coach Romeo Crennel said the first-round draft pick took part in the team's walkthrough Saturday.

Afterward, Edwards, who had cuts and scrapes on his arm, noticed that it was swollen and showed team doctors, who admitted him to the Cleveland Clinic.

Edwards underwent a surgical procedure Saturday night to have the infection cleaned out, Crennel said.

It was not immediately known if Edwards has a staph infection. Crennel said doctors don't yet know how long Edwards might be sidelined.

"They didn't say," Crennel said following Cleveland's 20-10 win Sunday. "We may know more tomorrow. It might depend on when they run tests and cultures and what they might find."

Edwards didn't mention any problems with his arm to reporters last week. He wore a protective sleeve over his elbow during practice.

Edwards, who has yet to crack Cleveland's starting lineup, has nine catches for 166 yards. He scored on an 80-yard TD reception in the Browns' Sept. 18 win at Green Bay, the type of game-breaking play the club envisioned him making when they selected Edwards with the third overall pick in April's draft.

The former Michigan star has been listed as the club's No. 3 receiver, but Crennel said last week that Edwards has been making steady progress. Edwards missed two weeks of training camp before signing a five-year, $40 million contract in August.

The Browns (1-2), who had a bye last week, have had a history of injuries to top draft picks.

Quarterback Tim Couch missed the final nine games of his second season with a fractured thumb and was plagued by elbow trouble during his time in Cleveland. Defensive end Courtney Browns missed 33 games over five seasons with assorted injuries before being released in March.

Tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. broke his ankle in Week 2 a year ago, and is sidelined this season with injuries sustained in an offseason motorcycle injury.

With Edwards out, Frisman Jackson played more on Sunday but did not make a catch. Jackson dropped a key third down pass in the third quarter on a slant pattern as the Browns were tying to rally.

[RedRigmaJacket]

can i just say that it's really nice to see a Browns team playing tough, hard-nosed football again? sure, we won some games over the past few years, but it was so inconsistent that it was hard to believe in them. i dont believe, right now, that we're a good team. but i do believe that we are taking some good steps. :cool:

in romeo we trust.

[Zane]

yada, yada, yada! ;)

[RedRigmaJacket]

pathetic. i watched the whole thing...i mean reuben droughns runs for 65 yards in the first half and we're looking shakey, but decent. dilfer hardly passed the ball, and when he did the receivers missed them or were intercepted. and in the second half we looked the same old browns. frustrating. i hate you browns. i love you. i hate you. i

[RedRigmaJacket]

it's time for some charlie fry action.

[crazybob60]

it's time for some charlie fry action.

They were talking about this in the pregame show I was watching, and with the Texans beating the Browns today, I gotta say that it probably won't be very long until he sees some action....although I haven't seen highlights or anything of todays game, just the score, but I can only imagine how bad it really was. Wasn't Fry pretty impressive or at least somewhat during the preseason?

[The_Deacon]

it's time for some charlie fry action.
So glad to see you back Red!! You brought back your avatar back too!! :D

[Homsar]

They just couldn't let the Texans go winless this year, could they?

[the_birds]

Thanks Brownies!

sincerely,
Texans fans

[Zane]

I just have this to say..................























HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Beat by Houston? Damn, that's sad.
;)

[Sushi]

Again--had to bump this because it's just wrong for the last post in the Browns' thread to be by someone with a Bengals helmet for an av. :p

Glad they won today. They actually scored a couple touchdowns. What a novel concept.

[The_Deacon]

Good win. ;)

[RedRigmaJacket]

22-0! first cleveland shutout since they blanked the bengals in 2001!

edwards, droughns, and some fryes!

[Zane]

whoo-hooo!!!!






not. :p
and Baltimore won too....yes!!!!

[Sushi]

and Baltimore won too....yes!!!!
Bah! (Sorry, but Clevelanders are genetically programmed to hate the Ravens at least until Art Modell dies.)

On the plus side--OSU and the Browns won in the same weekend. All is well with the world.

[Zane]

Bah! (Sorry, but Clevelanders are genetically programmed to hate the Ravens at least until Art Modell dies.)

Sure. Considering they're pretty much the same team. :p

[crazybob60]

I wonder sometimes that if the Browns would not have moved to Baltimore if they would have won the Super Bowl in Cleveland a few years back, do you think that would have happened? And can you actually picture Ray Lewis in a Browns uni?

[Homsar]

Yes. Too bad I can't picture him playing.

[mistergugi]

The Brownies sucked today. :(

[72valiant]

browns always suck. they just pull a fluke once in awhile and win one.


any other browns fan wanna win the pro bowl sweepstake and spend it with john elway? i would find it hilarious if one did.

[The Ugly Thief]

http://www.steelers.com/MediaContent//2004/08/03/17/general_steelers_logo_44529.jpg
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41-0

v

[crazybob60]

As much as I dislike both clubs....I was really pulling for the Browns and boy did they ever disappoint, although Morgan was probably tickled pink to score on his former mates like he did.

[Sushi]

It was just sad, sad, sad... No Christmas miracles around these parts.

sigh.

*crawls back into the hole of "wait-till-next-year*

[RedRigmaJacket]

i threw up all over the television screen.

[mistergugi]

Bump.
I'm a huge Browns fan, but I have to announce that the Browns suck this year. It makes me sad. I know 2 games is early to throw in the towel, but they didn't have much going for them anyway. I'm still rooting, but I'm hoping for maybe 4 wins this year.

So far, they have looked awful.

[gwar469]

Crennell needs to stop being so damned conservative on offense. it makes opposing defenses have to study that much less. handoff, handoff, short pass. every series he does that.

[Macpherson]

yeah, having been at the game on sunday, it was amazing how conservative their offense is. they don't throw long and like to run, so it's going to be a long season when defenses are stuffing 8 in the box.

[1979]

Bump.
I'm a huge Browns fan, but I have to announce that the Browns suck this year. It makes me sad. I know 2 games is early to throw in the towel, but they didn't have much going for them anyway. I'm still rooting, but I'm hoping for maybe 4 wins this year.

So far, they have looked awful.


Just this year? Hasn't it been a while?

All kidding aside, they have some parts to work with. I like Edwards and Winslow, but I'm not sold on Frye. Romeo should get them to work, if he is given the time.

[grayedMatter]

If it's Browns, flush it down. :D

seriously though, I thought they'd be better this year too. I don't remember how they started last season off... 1-1 maybe?.
Starting off 0-2 is tough to regain momentum, even for a good team.

[Artpunchehorse]

Yeah, they had to beat NO at home. I think they'll be okay next year.

[The_Deacon]

Yeah, they had to beat NO at home. I think they'll be okay next year.
for this thread, refer to my sig. ;)

[Artpunchehorse]

for this thread, refer to my sig. ;)

What's the harm in talking about them? They are a nonfactor this year

[grayedMatter]

i could be wrong, but anything involving Cleveland is a non-factor :cool:

[Artpunchehorse]

i could be wrong, but anything involving Cleveland is a non-factor :cool:

LeBron is kinda cool

[Homsar]

Yes. LeBron. He made me actually watch professional basketball on TV recently.

[grayedMatter]

LeBron is kinda cool
oh yeah, i forgot about that guy.

[Artpunchehorse]

The problem is watching Drew Gooden kinda cancels out Lebron's greatness

[emmanuellewis]

Just this year? Hasn't it been a while?

All kidding aside, they have some parts to work with. I like Edwards and Winslow, but I'm not sold on Frye. Romeo should get them to work, if he is given the time.

im sold on frye being out of the league in 4 years. who is their backup? that has to be a blow to the ego. edwards will be really good, i hate winslow too much to admit that he will be to. i thought they'd have a solid D this year, thats not even looking great

[gwar469]

i don't know who's announcing the Browns/Ravens game, but they are absolutely annoying and seem to be biased towards the Ravens. they get excited a bit too often and too much when the Ravens make a play. :confused:

edit: ...okay, now they're getting equally excited for the Browns. maybe these guys just like good football plays? :confused:

[gwar469]

i hate the fucking Ravens! :mad: :mad: most overrated 3-0 team ever!!

[Hogarth]

BEREA, Ohio - Maurice Carthon resigned as Cleveland's offensive coordinator Tuesday, two days after the Browns' NFL-worst offense scored seven points in a loss to Denver.

Carthon, whose head-scratching play calls and personnel moves angered fans and puzzled players, was in his second year running the offense.

Despite having two weeks to devise a game plan, the Browns (1-5) picked up only 165 total yards in losing 17-7 to the Broncos and are ranked at or near the bottom of the league in most offensive categories.

Browns coach Romeo Crennel said Carthon came into his office Monday and offered his resignation. The pair talked and after their discussion, Crennel decided to accept it from his close friend for the "good of the organization and the fans."

"I'm not making anybody a scapegoat," Crennel said. "I'm doing what is best for the Cleveland Browns."

Crennel insists he didn't receive any pressure from Browns owner Randy Lerner or general manager Phil Savage to replace Carthon.

Jeff Davidson, the club's offensive line coach the past two seasons, will replace Carthon as the club's offensive coordinator. Davidson was given the title of assistant head coach after last season when he nearly took a job with the New York Jets.

Crennel said Davidson, an assistant for eight seasons in New England, got some experience running an offense during training camp and in the 2002 preseason when Patriots coordinator Charlie Weis had gastric bypass surgery.

Crennel doesn't expect any major changes to Cleveland's offense under Davidson, a former Ohio State tackle who played four seasons in the NFL before a shoulder injury cut his career short.

"He'll pick the things he likes and dress them up," Crennel said.

On Sunday, Cleveland's offense didn't move the ball inside Denver's 40-yard line until the final play of the third quarter and scored its only touchdown following an 18-yard drive set up by Browns linebacker Andra Davis' interception.

Last season under Carthon, the Browns scored a league-low 232 points.

Following Cleveland's bye week, Crennel decided to stick with Carthon, a former New York Giants fullback and running backs coach who never handled play calling before joining Crennel's staff.

Both the Baltimore Ravens and Arizona Cardinals dismissed their offensive coordinators last week, and Crennel decided he would take on a more active role with the offense to help Carthon.

But nothing worked against the Broncos, who sacked Charlie Frye five times and held the Browns to season lows in points, first downs, third-down efficiency, total yards and rushing yards.

There had been grumbling inside and outside the Browns' locker room for weeks about the offensive woes.

Tight end Kellen Winslow was openly critical of Carthon's schemes following a Week 2 loss to Cincinnati. Winslow, who wasn't on the field for several third-down situations in that game, complained that "some of the coaches might be holding us back a little bit. We have nothing to lose. Let's go!"

Winslow later said his comments were a mistake, but started to get the ball more after making them. Even Monday, Winslow cited Cleveland's poor play calling as one of the team's many problems.

Carthon, too, made some questionable calls and personnel decisions.

In a loss at Carolina, the Browns tried a halfback option on third-and-short, but rookie fullback Lawrence Vickers' pass intended for Winslow was incomplete in the end zone. Crennel spent two weeks defending the call, which had frustrated Browns fans screaming for Carthon's job.

In Cleveland's opener against New Orleans, Carthon gave the ball to Vickers on two crucial third-and-1 plays and both times the sixth-round pick was stopped short of a first down on sweeps.

Last year, Carthon clashed with quarterback Trent Dilfer over the Browns' offensive schemes and game plans. Dilfer was then traded in March, the first sign of Crennel's commitment to Carthon.



About Freakin' Time! :mad:

It never seemed that Carthon understood what kind of talent the Browns had this year. The best player on offense is a tight end(Kellen Winslow). The next best player is a wide-out(Braylon Edwards). You have 1000yrd rusher in the backfield. So on third down you give the ball to...A FULLBACK?!!. I don't know whether to scream or vomit. Good riddance. It's too bad the season is done, but maybe if the draft some offensive linemen and find a real co-ordinator, preferably somebody from outside the current staff, then next year will be better.

[GISRICK]

You folks have a big game with my JETS this weekend...I like my JETS chances to go a surprising 5-3.

[mobrian]

It never seemed that Carthon understood what kind of talent the Browns had this year. The best player on offense is a tight end(Kellen Winslow). The next best player is a wide-out(Braylon Edwards). You have 1000yrd rusher in the backfield. So on third down you give the ball to...A FULLBACK?!!. I don't know whether to scream or vomit. Good riddance. It's too bad the season is done, but maybe if the draft some offensive linemen and find a real co-ordinator, preferably somebody from outside the current staff, then next year will be better.

Someone wrote an article a while back (or maybe it was one of the NE Ohio newspapers' blogs) saying that Carthon was a fullback for a few years in the NFL (Giants, maybe?) and he was always VERY frustrated that they didn't let him contribute more to the offense. The author basically said that Carthon was trying to live vicarously through Vickers & Smith and that was probably the reason that he was trying to give so many touches to the fullbacks.

Terrell Smith is even on record saying that he doesn't really want the ball -- he just wants to go out there and knock some heads around and block.

I'm somewhat excited about the guy they promoted -- he was almost hired by the jets this offseason to be their new Offensive Coordinator...

[Hogarth]

If you want to work out your career frustrations, coach in college where no one will notice. Don't call that goofy crap when the Browns are playing, especially when the margin for error for this team is so small. :mad:

I read an interview with a coulple of linemen who said Carthon would call plays when everybody saw he had the wrong protection. What?!!! :mad: :mad:

Somebody was so over their head.

The only thing we have going for us is that the new OC was the Jets' first choice for their job, so maybe he at least has some sense.

Gisrick, if the Jets don't win then you either have suffered a QB injury, or you don't deserve to go to the playoffs, 'cause right now, we suck.

[Sushi]

You folks have a big game with my JETS this weekend...I like my JETS chances to go a surprising 5-3.
Ella and I are ready for it. If nothing else, the Browns can't get much worse.
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[Hogarth]

Ella and I are ready for it. If nothing else, the Browns can't get much worse.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/Sushi23/ellamommy.jpg

Whoo-Hoo! You gotta start 'em early.

Though the way this season is going, is it really nice to pass our mental illness on to the next generation?

Screw it. I wouldn't want to live in a house of Bengal fans, or God forbid, Steeler fans.

Woof Woof!

[Hogarth]

You folks have a big game with my JETS this weekend...I like my JETS chances to go a surprising 5-3.

Gisrick, er....

I hope you didn't bet any money on the game. :eek:

Freakin' Browns. Just good enough to keep yer hopes up, just bad enough to rip yer heart out. I'll take it, 'cause it's an interesting way to live.

Woof.

[GISRICK]

We got robbed...The sideline ref should be fired.

[Sushi]

Gisrick, er....

I hope you didn't bet any money on the game. :eek:

Freakin' Browns. Just good enough to keep yer hopes up, just bad enough to rip yer heart out. I'll take it, 'cause it's an interesting way to live.

Woof.
By the end of that game, I felt like I had just watched one of my dogs run back and forth across the freeway without getting creamed.

[Jumbo Shrimp]

The only thing Brown in Cleveland is Charlie Frye's shorts! And that reminds me:

TV commercial: What can UPS do for you?

Charlie Frye: Color my shorts!

Oh and how is Earnest Byner? :D

[Hogarth]

You, sir, are an ass. Also, if you had seen any of the Browns' games this year, you would not question Charlie Frye or the color of his shorts. Charlie may not have the most talent, but he does have stones. Big brass ones. Charlie Frye is a stud.

However, I will not let you, or anyone else kill my post win buzz.

Gizrick, if you can't win without the referee's help, you don't deserve it. Wins aren't given, they're earned.

[GISRICK]

Gizrick, if you can't win without the referee's help, you don't deserve it. Wins aren't given, they're earned.
Good point (GISRICK BTW)...They played like shitters so they didn't deserve to win...I think that play needs to be reviewed though...He would have come down inbounds...Here in NY, the Jets are not talking about that play...How they got potentially robbed...They are talking about how bad they played.

[OldManIndieKid]

And the best part of this whole thing....the Browns have the same record as the defending Super Bowl Champs. Awesome. I'm a Bengals fan, but love the fact that Cleveland could finish ahead of the Stillers in the standings.

[Hogarth]

Good point (GISRICK BTW)...They played like shitters so they didn't deserve to win...I think that play needs to be reviewed though...He would have come down inbounds...Here in NY, the Jets are not talking about that play...How they got potentially robbed...They are talking about how bad they played.
My spelling abilities(or lack thereof) have already been noted in another thread.

I think it wasn't all on your guys. The Browns did make some plays, and our coaches should be familliar with your defense, since we play the same one. Also we had the advantage of suprise, since until last week, we weren't calling effective offensive plays. :mad:

[Jumbo Shrimp]

You, sir, are an ass. Also, if you had seen any of the Browns' games this year, you would not question Charlie Frye or the color of his shorts. Charlie may not have the most talent, but he does have stones. Big brass ones. Charlie Frye is a stud.

However, I will not let you, or anyone else kill my post win buzz.

Gizrick, if you can't win without the referee's help, you don't deserve it. Wins aren't given, they're earned.

Shut up, you know it was funny! I like the Browns, except when they play my team. Then I expect them to lose. In all honesty I think Cleveland fans were dealt a raw deal when Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore. Cleveland would still hold the record for the most consecutive sellouts for an NFL franchise, but now that title belongs to the Denver Broncos.

Anyway, get over it, it was funny and you know it!!!

[Hogarth]

Jumbo, since you're not a Browns' fan, you just don't get it. Ernest Byner jokes to Browns' fans are like bringing up how hot your ex-girlfriend is. Why not just give me a paper cut and salt it? And I had had to stand up for Frye because he's one of us and living the dream.

[Jumbo Shrimp]

Did you not see the part where I said, "I like the Browns?" Maybe your shorts are brown too. Maybe you should try out for the team! Walk-ons happen...you never know...

And don't ever call me an "Ass" ever again.

[Hogarth]

You, sir, are obnoxious and juvenile.
ftfy

Anyway...

I predict the score for this week's game: Cleveland 12, Pittsburgh 10. Two bad offensive teams with good defenses. This will be ugly. :eek:

[gwar469]

thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you Browns for beating KC today!! :D :D

[Duemellon]

CLEVELAND ROCKS!

THE BROWNS ARE AWESOME!

Yeah, I'm a Bengals fan!

[twentyshots]

thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you Browns for beating KC today!! :D :D

yes! that is good news- and they really took control of the that game in the last 5 minutes. very un-Browns like. whatever ill will Anderson was going to get for throwing that pick at the end of regulation he made up for rushing in OT.
now go put the screws to the Steelers on thursday and you'll really be my friends!

[Hogarth]

I just want this season to end. Stop the Insanity! Soon we can move on the draft.

Here is my list of draft priorities:

1. Off. Left Tackle. Too many injuries to quarterbacks mean you aren't blocking, and this is the place to fix that problem.

2. Off. Guard. No running game from lack of blocking. How does Rueben Droghnes go from 1200yds to this in one year, unless the O-line sucks?

3. Def. Tackle. Can't stop the run.

4. Running Back. In case Droghnes is done after all.

5. Cornerback. Ours get hurt too much. Seriously, how does a human being tear BOTH patellar tendons on one play? BOTH?!!

6. Witch Doctor. This team is cursed.

Many people want the Browns to draft Troy Smith. I would only take him if he's available later than the first round, and only after the O-Line is fixed. Otherwise he'll be too expensive and will get hurt like every other QB we've had.

I also vote Romeo stays. He hasn't done a great job, but unless you can get Bill Parcells, or some one of that ilk, changing for change sake is just going to make the recovery take longer, as a new coach is going to turn over an already thin roster.