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despondent
21 May 2005, 01:32 PM
Scientists Say Sunshine May Prevent Cancer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sunshine___cancer)


By MARILYNN MARCHIONE,

Scientists are excited about a vitamin again. But unlike fads that sizzled and fizzled, the evidence this time is strong and keeps growing. If it bears out, it will challenge one of medicine's most fundamental beliefs: that people need to coat themselves with sunscreen whenever they're in the sun. Doing that may actually contribute to far more cancer deaths than it prevents, some researchers think.

The vitamin is D, nicknamed the "sunshine vitamin" because the skin makes it from ultraviolet rays. Sunscreen blocks its production, but dermatologists and health agencies have long preached that such lotions are needed to prevent skin cancer. Now some scientists are questioning that advice. The reason is that vitamin D increasingly seems important for preventing and even treating many types of cancer.

In the last three months alone, four separate studies found it helped protect against lymphoma and cancers of the prostate, lung and, ironically, the skin. The strongest evidence is for colon cancer.

Many people aren't getting enough vitamin D. It's hard to do from food and fortified milk alone, and supplements are problematic.

So the thinking is this: Even if too much sun leads to skin cancer, which is rarely deadly, too little sun may be worse.

No one is suggesting that people fry on a beach. But many scientists believe that "safe sun" — 15 minutes or so a few times a week without sunscreen — is not only possible but helpful to health.

One is Dr. Edward Giovannucci, a Harvard University professor of medicine and nutrition who laid out his case in a keynote lecture at a recent American Association for Cancer Research meeting in Anaheim, Calif.

His research suggests that vitamin D might help prevent 30 deaths for each one caused by skin cancer.

"I would challenge anyone to find an area or nutrient or any factor that has such consistent anti-cancer benefits as vitamin D," Giovannucci told the cancer scientists. "The data are really quite remarkable."

The talk so impressed the American Cancer Society's chief epidemiologist, Dr. Michael Thun, that the society is reviewing its sun protection guidelines. "There is now intriguing evidence that vitamin D may have a role in the prevention as well as treatment of certain cancers," Thun said.

Even some dermatologists may be coming around. "I find the evidence to be mounting and increasingly compelling," said Dr. Allan Halpern, dermatology chief at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, who advises several cancer groups.

The dilemma, he said, is a lack of consensus on how much vitamin D is needed or the best way to get it.

No source is ideal. Even if sunshine were to be recommended, the amount needed would depend on the season, time of day, where a person lives, skin color and other factors. Thun and others worry that folks might overdo it.

"People tend to go overboard with even a hint of encouragement to get more sun exposure," Thun said, adding that he'd prefer people get more of the nutrient from food or pills.

But this is difficult. Vitamin D occurs naturally in salmon, tuna and other oily fish, and is routinely added to milk. However, diet accounts for very little of the vitamin D circulating in blood, Giovannucci said.

Supplements contain the nutrient, but most use an old form — D-2 — that is far less potent than the more desirable D-3. Multivitamins typically contain only small amounts of D-2 and include vitamin A, which offsets many of D's benefits.

As a result, pills might not raise vitamin D levels much at all.

Government advisers can't even agree on an RDA, or recommended daily allowance for vitamin D. Instead, they say "adequate intake" is 200 international units a day up to age 50, 400 IUs for ages 50 to 70, and 600 IUs for people over 70.

Many scientists think adults need 1,000 IUs a day. Giovannucci's research suggests 1,500 IUs might be needed to significantly curb cancer.

How vitamin D may do this is still under study, but there are lots of reasons to think it can:

_Several studies observing large groups of people found that those with higher vitamin D levels also had lower rates of cancer. For some of these studies, doctors had blood samples to measure vitamin D, making the findings particularly strong. Even so, these studies aren't the gold standard of medical research — a comparison over many years of a large group of people who were given the vitamin with a large group who didn't take it. In the past, the best research has deflated health claims involving other nutrients, including vitamin E and beta carotene.

_Lab and animal studies show that vitamin D stifles abnormal cell growth, helps cells die when they are supposed to, and curbs formation of blood vessels that feed tumors.

_Cancer is more common in the elderly, and the skin makes less vitamin D as people age.

_Blacks have higher rates of cancer than whites and more pigment in their skin, which prevents them from making much vitamin D.

_Vitamin D gets trapped in fat, so obese people have lower blood levels of D. They also have higher rates of cancer.

_Diabetics, too, are prone to cancer, and their damaged kidneys have trouble converting vitamin D into a form the body can use.

_People in the northeastern United States and northerly regions of the globe like Scandinavia have higher cancer rates than those who get more sunshine year-round.

During short winter days, the sun's rays come in at too oblique an angle to spur the skin

to make vitamin D. That is why nutrition experts think vitamin D-3 supplements may be especially helpful during winter, and for dark-skinned people all the time.

But too much of the pill variety can cause a dangerous buildup of calcium in the body. The government says 2,000 IUs is the upper daily limit for anyone over a year old.

On the other hand, D from sunshine has no such limit. It's almost impossible to overdose when getting it this way. However, it is possible to get skin cancer. And this is where the dermatology establishment and Dr. Michael Holick part company.

Thirty years ago, Holick helped make the landmark discovery of how vitamin D works. Until last year, he was chief of endocrinology, nutrition and diabetes and a professor of dermatology at Boston University. Then he published a book, "The UV Advantage," urging people to get enough sunlight to make vitamin D.

"I am advocating common sense," not prolonged sunbathing or tanning salons, Holick said.

Skin cancer is rarely fatal, he notes. The most deadly form, melanoma, accounts for only 7,770 of the 570,280 cancer deaths expected to occur in the United States this year.

More than 1 million milder forms of skin cancer will occur, and these are the ones tied to chronic or prolonged suntanning.

Repeated sunburns — especially in childhood and among redheads and very fair-skinned people — have been linked to melanoma, but there is no credible scientific evidence that moderate sun exposure causes it, Holick contends.

"The problem has been that the American Academy of Dermatology has been unchallenged for 20 years," he says. "They have brainwashed the public at every level."

The head of Holick's department, Dr. Barbara Gilchrest, called his book an embarrassment and stripped him of his dermatology professorship, although he kept his other posts.

She also faulted his industry ties. Holick said the school has received $150,000 in grants from the Indoor Tanning Association for his research, far less than the consulting deals and grants that other scientists routinely take from drug companies.

In fact, industry has spent money attacking him. One such statement from the Sun Safety Alliance, funded in part by Coppertone and drug store chains, declared that "sunning to prevent vitamin D deficiency is like smoking to combat anxiety."

Earlier this month, the dermatology academy launched a "Don't Seek the Sun" campaign calling any advice to get sun "irresponsible." It quoted Dr. Vincent DeLeo, a Columbia University dermatologist, as saying: "Under no circumstances should anyone be misled into thinking that natural sunlight or tanning beds are better sources of vitamin D than foods or nutritional supplements."

That opinion is hardly unanimous, though, even among dermatologists.

"The statement that 'no sun exposure is good' I don't think is correct anymore," said Dr. Henry Lim, chairman of dermatology at Henry Ford Health System in Detroit and an academy vice president.

Some wonder if vitamin D may turn out to be like another vitamin, folate. High intake of it was once thought to be important mostly for pregnant women, to prevent birth defects. However, since food makers began adding extra folate to flour in 1998, heart disease, stroke, blood pressure, colon cancer and osteoporosis have all fallen, suggesting the general public may have been folate-deficient after all.

With vitamin D, "some people believe that it is a partial deficiency that increases the cancer risk," said Hector DeLuca, a University of Wisconsin-Madison biochemist who did landmark studies on the nutrient.

About a dozen major studies are under way to test vitamin D's ability to ward off cancer, said Dr. Peter Greenwald, chief of cancer prevention for the National Cancer Institute. Several others are testing its potential to treat the disease. Two recent studies reported encouraging signs in prostate and lung cancer.

As for sunshine, experts recommend moderation until more evidence is in hand.

"The skin can handle it, just like the liver can handle alcohol," said Dr. James Leyden,

professor emeritus of dermatology at the University of Pennsylvania, who has consulted for sunscreen makers.

"I like to have wine with dinner, but I don't think I should drink four bottles a day."

Smoker29
21 May 2005, 01:41 PM
I read an article a few months ago taling about how scientists were baffled as to why people who used sun block devloped more skin cancer than people who don't.

This makes sense.

purple_octopus
21 May 2005, 01:51 PM
I read an article a few months ago taling about how scientists were baffled as to why people who used sun block devloped more skin cancer than people who don't.

I don't think that's so baffling. Usually people who use sun block regularly do so for a reason -- either they or someone they know (usually a relative) have been told to do so by a doctor, either because they have had skin cancer, or their skin type is susceptible to skin cancer. Unless you are prodded by a doctor to use sunblock, most people are too lazy to bother. But then again, they aren't the ones likey to get skin cancer anyway.

I use sunblock. I have very fair skin, get burned very easily, and skin cancer runs in my family. I am definitely at a higher risk for getting skin cancer. Is it because I use sunblock? No.

A is true, and B is true, but A isn't necessarily the cause of B.

I think that as with all "medical studies", this should be taken with a grain of salt. If you are not high risk for skin cancer, then a little sun exposure is likely to do you more good than harm. For me on the other hand, it's likely to do more harm than good. And after watching my husband die of melanoma, I can tell you that it's not a risk I want to take. There are other ways of getting vitamin D.

back2vinyl
21 May 2005, 01:58 PM
Yet more evidence that medical science doesn't know shit:

http://www.discover.com/issues/jun-05/departments/discover-dialogue/

No wonder health care costs are skyrocketing. We are paying big bucks to harm our health.

Shlep
21 May 2005, 02:41 PM
I also saw something recently about how regular tanning bed sessions can improve mental health...when they're not turning your skin to leather and giving you cataracts.

UV bad! :( UV good! :)

I swear, I'm at a point in my life where I just ignore studies. Every six months I find out the thing that was going to kill me six months ago is now going to make me healthier. I recall recently a study showed that cigarette smoking helps prevent Alzheimer's Disease. Fan-frickin'-tastic. So do I want to be an old dodderer with pink lungs or have all my wits about me so I can fully savor wheezing to death from emphysema or lung cancer?

Bah. I'm gonna die of something someday.

frizgolf
21 May 2005, 03:11 PM
So, buying a classic 69 Malibu convertible as a premeditated mid-life crisis was a good idea, no?

despondent
21 May 2005, 03:25 PM
So, buying a classic 69 Malibu convertible as a premeditated mid-life crisis was a good idea, no?
No, the '69 pre-dates the use of catalytic converters so by driving it, the extra pollutants are causing harm to all of us. :p

jefrey
21 May 2005, 04:08 PM
I don't think that's so baffling. Usually people who use sun block regularly do so for a reason -- either they or someone they know (usually a relative) have been told to do so by a doctor, either because they have had skin cancer, or their skin type is susceptible to skin cancer. Unless you are prodded by a doctor to use sunblock, most people are too lazy to bother. But then again, they aren't the ones likey to get skin cancer anyway.

I use sunblock. I have very fair skin, get burned very easily, and skin cancer runs in my family. I am definitely at a higher risk for getting skin cancer. Is it because I use sunblock? No.

A is true, and B is true, but A isn't necessarily the cause of B.

I think that as with all "medical studies", this should be taken with a grain of salt. If you are not high risk for skin cancer, then a little sun exposure is likely to do you more good than harm. For me on the other hand, it's likely to do more harm than good. And after watching my husband die of melanoma, I can tell you that it's not a risk I want to take. There are other ways of getting vitamin D.

My Dad died of Melanoma that turned to lymphoma, sorry to hear that about your husband. I too am at risk for skin cancer. Vitamen D from the skin is good for you but the problem is that more ultraviolet radiation is being let in than at any other time in history so there's a catch 22, dambed if do and dambed if you don't. I love the sun so I try to watch my exposure and at my age, I get checked regularly by a doctor to make sure.

back2vinyl
22 May 2005, 08:47 AM
Anybody want to go in on a tanning bed? We're totally screwed here in the land of winter gray. No wonder cancer rates are higher here than the national average. Do they still sell sun lamps?

edited to add:

here's one:

http://www.catalogclearance.com/products/spertitanmastersunlamps__spertisunlamps.html

Kind of pricey.

akip
22 May 2005, 09:34 AM
the sun (or lack of) affects my mood in a big way. i'm going to get one of those broad-spectrum lights for the long dark months in western ny.

Homsar
22 May 2005, 11:50 AM
You’re 62—do you get your cholesterol checked?
I don’t want to know. We have data that tell me if you stigmatize me by labeling me somehow, it will change my sense of well-being. I have nothing to gain from that in this case. I would be infuriated if any doctor checked my cholesterol without my asking and told me if it was up or down. I would think that would be an abuse of science that offered me a chance of feeling less well for no good reason.

In other words, you're damn unhealthy and you don't want concrete evidence against you.

the happy prole
22 May 2005, 12:59 PM
It's all a conspiracy! Every time you slather on the sunblock you're rubbing liquid cancer into your skin!!

I guess all you can do is take things in moderation. If you need to go outside, go outside. Make sure you don't sunburn and use sunblock if you have to. Just don't try to tan.

Homsar
22 May 2005, 02:18 PM
Baby oil > healthy > SPF 100

On average.

JuvenileOrion
22 May 2005, 04:15 PM
Okay, so what about tanning beds? My friend goes to a tanning bed everyday (yes, every single day) and tans in a bed. Now he has what I like to call a "cancer tan." He makes me wanna ralph. Yeah, I definitely think it would be healthier for him to tan in the sun.

Sovrana
22 May 2005, 07:27 PM
I also saw something recently about how regular tanning bed sessions can improve mental health...when they're not turning your skin to leather and giving you cataracts.

UV bad! :( UV good! :)



Last year, few months after having the baby I was diagnosed with a "rare" condition called mycosis fungoides, a sub-category of t-cell lymphoma that attacks my skin. I was pretty frightened when I got the news. But since then, I've learned that my condition is chronic rather than life threatening. Since about Sept, I've been undergoing regular treatment with narrow-band uvb rays known as phototherapy treament. Basically I stand in a "light box" for about 16 minutes 3 times a week. It is much like a tanning bed but using a less invasive type of uv rays and the dosage or time in the box is monitored by the doctor.

The idea is that the patch (I have only one, many people have patches covering over 60% of there bodies) or site of the lymphoma will stop spreading and the light rays will burn these bad white bloods cells. Once this site is gone (and it is slowly fading) my treatment will continue as a maintenance plan...1 x/week, 1 x/month or perhaps less to keep this disease from progressing.

There is a potential risk to develop skin cancer with this treatment but cancer treatment always has a risk and the uvb rays pose a very slight risk.

I have to admit though that I really like my tan with no tan lines!! :)

juggles
22 May 2005, 09:18 PM
All this ties in with my general theory that, for the most part, nature is good for you. It's when we think we're smarter than nature that we get ourselves in trouble.

On the daylight thing, my baby was jaundiced when she was born. In the follow up visits to the pediatrician, after spending two additional days in a hospital with the McNugget under phototherapy lights and going home with a light blanket, the doctor mentioned that phototherapy came about when someone noticed that the babies closest to the windows in their nursery had lower incidences of jaundice which makes me wonder why the hell doesn't every nursery have big windows and skylights?

chuxxter
23 May 2005, 11:30 AM
I believe it was George Carlin who first mentioned that this is why they call it the 'practice of medicine'. Because they can never get it right the first time. Remember eggs and cholesterol? Eggs= bad, then eggs=good. I pay no attention to studies, but try to practice moderation in all things relating to health. So far, so good.