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Handy Smurf
20 May 2005, 08:27 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-05-17-sith-politics_x.htm?POE=click-refer
I'm sure most of you have heard about this. I couldnt remember if it was posted here or not. I can add, after having seen the movie, that these claims are incredibly ridiculous. Funny thing is, I remember Republicans laughing and saying, "Stupid liberals, its only a movie, you're reading too much into it" when the controversy arose around Jar Jar Binks in episode 1.
I guess they forgot about the fact that these plot points fall exactly in line with a story that was created over 20 years before Bush took office.
People are so dumb


Politics creates a disturbance in the Force
By C้sar G. Soriano, USA TODAY
Since early screenings of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith began last month, film critics, commentators and Internet bloggers have been debating whether filmmaker George Lucas is comparing President Bush and the Iraq war to the Dark Side of the Force. The conservative film site Pabaah.com has called for a boycott. The topic even made NBC's Today show.

Bush beneath the mask? To many, Revenge of theSith seems to be touching on current events.
Lucasfilm

Lucas said Sunday at the Cannes Film Festival that the movie was written before the Iraq war. "We were just funding Saddam Hussein and giving him weapons of mass destruction," he said, adding, "The parallels between Vietnam and what we're doing in Iraq now are unbelievable."

Still, some see echoes of Bush in the film.

In one scene, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader tells his onetime mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, "If you're not with me, you're my enemy." The line is seen as a reference to Bush's post-Sept. 11 threat "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

The White House declined to comment on the controversy.

Josh Griffin, a self-described "conservative Star Wars fan," says he cringed when he heard the dialogue at a recent advance screening of Sith. "Star Wars is meant to be a children's movie ... not to be a political statement about someone's liberal ideology."

Even a perception of bias could hurt a film's bottom line, some say. The crucial summer moviegoing season usually makes up 40% of a year's box office revenue; this year, ticket sales are down 7% from 2004.

"If people feel Lucas is pushing a parallel between the Galactic Empire and present-day America, I think people will be turned off," says filmmaker Jason Apuzzo, co-editor of the conservative film blog Libertas (libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas).

But others applaud Lucas for taking a stand.

"As a liberal and a Democrat, it was comforting," says Slant magazine film critic Ed Gonzalez. "Star Wars is created by real people, starring real people, so it's inevitable it will reflect real-life issues," even if it is sci-fi fantasy.

Freelance writer Craig Winneker, who accused Sith of bias on the webzine Tech Central Station, says he nonetheless loved the film. "I'm not going to hold a grudge against the movie or base my opinion on world events because of something Yoda says."

Political spoilers

People who have seen early screenings of Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith are noting parallels to the Bush administration:

• Sith plot: Seeking to strengthen security during wartime, Chancellor Palpatine persuades the Senate to give up civil liberties and elect him emperor for life. "So this is how liberty dies — to thunderous applause," Senator Amidala laments.

• Bush plot: Seeking to strengthen security after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, President Bush urged legislators to pass the Patriot Act, which opponents say infringes on civil liberties.

• Sith's war: Palpatine starts a war to divert attention from his true political motives.

• Bush's war: Bush persuades Congress to go to war with Iraq based on evidence that has now been largely dismissed.

Duemellon
20 May 2005, 08:38 AM
The question is:

Did he modify the plot or did the plot of reality fit it in a more general sense? We all knew that the 1st one came out before 9/11 & the plot for Palpatine's ascent was already planned. Did he highten it or did Bush follow it instead?

markalot
20 May 2005, 08:46 AM
I think all of the quotes and the general theme of how a dictatorship forms is not new. History has shown how it happens, over and over.

chuxxter
20 May 2005, 08:48 AM
I would hate to think that there are people out there who waste this much time looking for political parallels in a movie. I've read this recently and my initial reaction has not changed: So what? Are Republicans getting a little paranoid? Are they really worried that people will remember these 'connections' on election day? The average American voter does not have this good a memory. Reminder to everyone: IT'S A MOVIE.

cptrdspy
20 May 2005, 09:29 AM
japantoday (http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=8&id=337337) article.

>>Lucas, speaking to reporters, emphasised that the original "Star Wars" was written at the end of the Vietnam war, when Richard Nixon was U.S. president, but that the issue being explored was still very much alive today.

"The issue was, how does a democracy turn itself into a dictatorship?" he said.

"When I wrote it, Iraq (the U.S.-led war) didn't exist... but the parallels of what we did in Vietnam and Iraq are unbelievable."

He acknowledged an uncomfortable feeling that the United States was in danger of losing its democratic ideals, like in the movie.

"I didn't think it was going to get this close. I hope this doesn't come true in our country."

Although he didn't mention Bush by name, Lucas took what sounded like another dig while explaining the transformation of the once-good Anakin Skywalker to the very bad Darth Vader.

"Most bad people think they're good people," he said.<<


edit- woop didnt see that this quote is pretty much in the above article-- i was only trying to re-inforce that apparently Lucas thinks there is something to a political analysis of his films.

Homsar
20 May 2005, 10:50 AM
Josh Griffin, a self-described "conservative Star Wars fan," says he cringed when he heard the dialogue at a recent advance screening of Sith. "Star Wars is meant to be a children's movie ... not to be a political statement about someone's liberal ideology."

Why not? It's Lucas' movie. It's probably meant to be like that.
And does he watch a lot of "children's movies?"

ohmikeodd
20 May 2005, 12:42 PM
I saw Ep 3 Thursday morning and thought it was "fair and balanced" :D . Don't know why conservatives would be all panty waded.

I am surprised that nobody has complained that the dark side equates to evil. Surely that must be another racist dig by Lucas. :rolleyes:

LadyJo
22 May 2005, 08:18 PM
Reminder to everyone: IT'S A MOVIE.

'Nuff said.