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yoshomon
05 Mar 2005, 12:34 PM
I don't know if any of y'all have seen anything about this on the news, but there was recently some pretty heavy anti-police rioting in a poor suburb of Sydney. Below is an interview with local residents of that suburb.

GLW: You and your wife Barbara, are both longtime residents of Macquarie Fields and know many of the residents, including some of the youth being targeted by recent police action?

Peter Perkins: Barbara and I have lived here for 20 years and we know most of the community of one or two thousand ,including the young people who are in revolt against police harassment. Our 20-year-old grandson, Jesse Kelly, is being hunted by police and has being falsely branded by the media as a dangerous criminal.


GLW: Can you describe the events that led to the recent clashes between youth in Macquarie Fields and police?

Perkins: There has been a very sharp hardening of the police stance in the area, a new-style, paramilitary, policing with coppers being bussed in in large numbers from outside.

This new approach began about two months ago, at the same time as it was taking place in other poor outer-Sydney working class suburbs like Claymore and Airds.

The first signs were raids on residents' homes in the early hours of the morning. They stuck guns through windows and set police dogs on people. They'd cordon entire areas off for half a day at a time, using police in full paramilitary kit.

So tensions had been building up.

The initial spark of the riot when residents allege that police actually caused the deaths of two youths in a car pursuit. A stolen car had been under surveillance for three days and the cops had bugged in it. The chase started when three youths drove off in the car at about 11pm, last Friday February 25). The car crashed and Dylan Raywood, 17, and Matt Robertson, 19, were killed.

Local residents came out and starting pelting police probably in anger at past provocations and also to help the driver get away. Similar clashes with police took place over the next four nights and Macquarie Fields was placed under police seige. At night the suburb was sealed off.


GLW: The police are now hunting for your grandson, who they allege was the driver of the car.

Perkins: Jesse is in hiding. He's afraid for his life. We've told him, if he surrenders on his terms it's going to be much safer than if he's picked up down a back alley or just disappears.

Jesse and his friends are popular among other local youth. They were renting a rundown private house from a speculator and it had become a sort of gathering place for youth. They played their music and played football outside. All the youth from the neighborhood used to go there. Many of the young homeless kids were fed there and given beds for the night. Some of these youth may have been involved in petty crime but not all.

The young people people here are loyal to their community, such as it is. "MFB", which stands for Macquarie Fields Boys they call themselves. It gave them a self-esteem that sustained them in a tough life.

They had respect for the community and they understood the harsh predicament the community was in. For example, they looked after young kids who couldn't get social security, protected them from police harassment and helped a bit around the neighborhood.

Even the proceeds of their petty crimes were shared around. None of them lived the high-life.


GLW: ALP Premier Bob Carr has said that the cause of the clashes was not the social disadvantage of many residents but simply the work of "bad people" - what do you say to that?

Perkins: He's talking rubbish, right-wing rubbish.

All social scientists say that it has been proved beyond doubt that poor social conditions cause crime. It is ridiculous to deny this.

All the youth facilities have been slashed back, and suburbs like Macquarie Fields are hit hardest by the cutbacks in social services. Carr says there are all these fantastic facilities for youth out here but it's not true. There are two tennis courts and a billiard hall that's about it.

I know of very few young people have permanent jobs in the area. Probably half the kids drop out of school at 15. The tightening of social welfare payments in this high unemployment area drives many people to rely on petty crime for an income.

Many young people here don't see it as morally wrong to steal from those who have more than them in order to survive. They simply have no real alternative.

Some steal cars simply to get around because there is no public transport after 8pm and very limited services on Sundays.

Some have had jobs where they have been ripped off by employers. Sometimes they've worked for small builders for a couple of weeks, as labourers, and have not been paid.

Jesse and the two boys who were killed had casual jobs lined up in the Royal Easter Show. So they took jobs when they could get them. But they couldn't meet the impossible requirements to get unemployment benefits. There simply aren't the job interviews here that they have list on their social security forms.

Public housing is run down and there is a $650 million dollar backlog on repairs and maintenance for the public housing according to the papers the papers today. The Carr government is running it down as an excuse to bulldoze more the public housing and sell the land to private developers. It is the same as in Redfern.

[This interview was then cut off by a police visit on the Perkins' home at 11.30am. It was resumed at 1.30pm]

Perkins: Four detectives tried to convince us to stop talking to the media. They urged Barbara and me to organize from for our grandson to surrender himself. One detective intimated that it would be more dangerous if Jesse was cornered by some hyper young coppers.

A Channel Seven reporter just rang us and said that the Police Commissioner would be prepared to come and personally help hand over of Jesse.

I think they are feeling the heat but they are not going to stop us from speaking out because unless we speak out do the real problems here are not even going to be begun to be addressed.

We need and full and independent public inquiry into the situation into policing methods, including police pursuits and into the state of support services (including education, youth services, public transport and housing).

There is the federal by-election coming up in this area for former ALP leader Mark Latham's seat of Werriwa. And this community has no faith in the major parties to represent us.

Latham and Moroney like to boast that they came from poor working backgrounds in this area but most of Latham's peers are struggling. He had his education paid for by the ALP branch so he could climb ladder of opportunity. Not everyone here gets such a hand up. Most don't.

Homsar
05 Mar 2005, 02:27 PM
That's right! Poor social conditions cause crime so we CAN'T STOP!
And why were they HELPING that car get away?

classicgrrl
05 Mar 2005, 02:47 PM
That's right! Poor social conditions cause crime so we CAN'T STOP!
And why were they HELPING that car get away?

speaketh the one who's never been poor.

Orville Wrong
05 Mar 2005, 03:27 PM
The kid stole a car and killed his friend attempting to evade the police. Odd that the police might target him. His grandparents are on his side and he IS poor, so what's a little theft and homicide in the grander scheme of class war?

Most interesting is that the police have basically decided to cordon the subdivision off and let the riots (rebellion, yoshomon? please) run their course without making arrests. If you can't punish the offenders, punish their law-abiding neighbors. Good policy.

Australian Labor Party PM candidate and soon to be footnote, Mark Latham, is from this neighborhood. No way out, indeed.

yoshomon
05 Mar 2005, 04:19 PM
Over the past 2 days police have been raiding houses and making arrests throughout the neighborhood.

Sydney03
05 Mar 2005, 08:55 PM
they are still looking for jesse.. he has not given himself up and his community is still protecting him

on a side note apparently the boys stole the car from a house were they had just committed a home invasion... that is why they were being chased


syd

classicgrrl
06 Mar 2005, 02:58 AM
Australian Labor Party PM candidate and soon to be footnote, Mark Latham, is from this neighborhood. No way out, indeed.

you freak me out....
Did you post as another user name before?

I hope I don't know you outside this board. I hate it when people know me and I don't know them.

Orville Wrong
06 Mar 2005, 08:09 PM
you freak me out....
Did you post as another user name before?

I hope I don't know you outside this board. I hate it when people know me and I don't know them.

Fourth time I've been asked that now -- the other user thing. Ianalex10, 20 or 30? Or someone else?

I follow Australian politics a little bit. Is that it?

It's unlikely I know you -- lived in Oakley and Mt. Lookout in 1995-1996, though.

classicgrrl
06 Mar 2005, 08:51 PM
Fourth time I've been asked that now -- the other user thing. Ianalex10, 20 or 30? Or someone else?

I follow Australian politics a little bit. Is that it?

It's unlikely I know you -- lived in Oakley and Mt. Lookout in 1995-1996, though.

I didn't think you were one of the ianalex's. You are in Dayton correct?

Then no, thankfully, you do not know me.

carry on...

Orville Wrong
06 Mar 2005, 09:01 PM
I didn't think you were one of the ianalex's.
Good. They seem to be personae non grata hereabouts.

You are in Dayton correct?
Correct.

Then no, thankfully, you do not know me.
:(

carry on...
But wait! I still don't know why I freak you out.

classicgrrl
06 Mar 2005, 09:56 PM
I thought you were someone else that's why I was so freaked out. Well, that and you are going to transcend. Transcendance freaks me out (I keed).

Glad you are not them.
They are not very nice people.

You, however, might be nice people. Come to a board bash....you will have loads of fun. And I will buy you a beer.

jd1
08 Mar 2005, 09:58 AM
So let me get this straight: Poverty causes crime. If you're poor, you can do whatever you need to in order to survive. The law doesn't apply to you any more--your individual need trumps social order and all that.

So what does this entitle you to do? Steal only from the rich? Steal from anyone better off than you? Steal from anyone at all?

If you steal so much that you start living the "high life" does that remove the moral justification for your crimes, making you a bad person all of a sudden?

What about this: If the police turn into oppressive thugs, and using heavy-handed tactics against an entire community to try and catch a few fugitives, does that then give members of that community the right to commit crimes against each other?

What about against people in neighboring communities, or those that maybe have a higher average income?

What about against the police themselves?

Just what does poverty allow us to do? What does oppression allow us to do?

--JD

Handy Smurf
08 Mar 2005, 10:13 AM
So let me get this straight: Poverty causes crime. If you're poor, you can do whatever you need to in order to survive. The law doesn't apply to you any more--your individual need trumps social order and all that.

So what does this entitle you to do? Steal only from the rich? Steal from anyone better off than you? Steal from anyone at all?

If you steal so much that you start living the "high life" does that remove the moral justification for your crimes, making you a bad person all of a sudden?

What about this: If the police turn into oppressive thugs, and using heavy-handed tactics against an entire community to try and catch a few fugitives, does that then give members of that community the right to commit crimes against each other?

What about against people in neighboring communities, or those that maybe have a higher average income?

What about against the police themselves?

Just what does poverty allow us to do? What does oppression allow us to do?

--JD
It excuses us to do anything we want, duh