This still goes on???

[JSpaceman]

OK, I guess I'm out of the loop but for some reason I thought the whole "clubbing baby seals" thing was some sort of cliche thing of the past. I mean WTF? One million seals killed in three years? I know that on-line petitions are pointless, but I found the whole thing ridiculous...

Click here... (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/370512755?z00m=21459&z00m=21459&ltl=1109168946)

http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/dimages/custom/sealhunt/full/sad_eyes.jpg

[seafoamgreen]

Oh Canada, why must you disappoint me so?

[rocketman70]

Done and done! I have great respect for the Canadian govt. and this bit of news really disturbs me. I didn't think this went on much anymore either. :mad:

[jneale]

And the Japanese still kill whales…DNA testing of whale meat from “legal” species sold in markets discovered that they have even killed endangered blue whales for food…

[Buzzstein]

done!.....

[Sushi]

Done.

Really, that's one of the sickest things a human being can do. I mean, clubbing anything to death is just barbaric. There have to be other ways for these guys to make a living.

[wileE]

It was banned for a while, wasn't it? Didn't they just start allowing this again?

edited to add: didn't rtfa.

[frenchstudent]

This makes my heart break. :(

[postfeminist]

that baby seal is adorable. i wish i could have one as a pet! of course i signed...

[captain canuck]

would any of you complain if they were ugly and had gross warts all over them..? Is your outrage just because they are cute and fuzzy?

[JSpaceman]

would any of you complain if they were ugly and had gross warts all over them..? Is your outrage just because they are cute and fuzzy?
To be honest, I probably wouldn't be quite as apt to be sickened if they weren't so cute. But I'd still be upset at the senseless murder of millions of animals for their fur even if they were ugly. Fair enough?

[captain canuck]

yes that is fair, and please dont think I am for the clubbing of seals...i really dont think about it awhole lot. I was actually more upset by the people who started slamming canada and saying how dissapointed they were with our government....most of these people probably didnt even go out to vote in the last election.


Maybe we can get a petition to stop circumsision...i would sign that for sure.

[DaHood]

OK, I guess I'm out of the loop but for some reason I thought the whole "clubbing baby seals" thing was some sort of cliche thing of the past.
Who the hell is letting baby seals into clubs? I never went clubbing till I was at least 18

[vivalamusica]

would any of you complain if they were ugly and had gross warts all over them..? Is your outrage just because they are cute and fuzzy?

Well, I'm opposed to killing sharks just for their fins, and I don't find sharks all that cute and fuzzy. Although they are kinda cool looking...

[rocketman70]

yes that is fair, and please dont think I am for the clubbing of seals...i really dont think about it awhole lot. I was actually more upset by the people who started slamming canada and saying how dissapointed they were with our government....most of these people probably didnt even go out to vote in the last election.


Maybe we can get a petition to stop circumsision...i would sign that for sure.


I have voted in every election since I was eligible! I still have great respect for your country, that's why this disturbs me. I really like the Canadian people.

[vivalamusica]

Who the hell is letting baby seals into clubs? I never went clubbing till I was at least 18

Well, when the doorman cards them, he has to calculate their age in "seal years," so they usually get in on a technicality.

[ThreeDLou]

It's really not that suprising. It's just cruel and wrong.

If someone can make a buck, they'll do whatever they can. Bastards.

[JSpaceman]

I was actually more upset by the people who started slamming canada and saying how dissapointed they were with our government...
You must not have been reading the boards back on November 3rd, then. We were thinking quite highly of our neighbours to the north. And believe me, if we had seals in the US I'm sure some a-holes would be finding ways to do the same, unfortunately...

[vivalamusica]

You must not have been reading the boards back on November 3rd, then. We were thinking quite highly of our neighbours to the north. And believe me, if we had seals in the US I'm sure some a-holes would be finding ways to do the same, unfortunately...

Except we'd be shooting 'em or giggin' 'em, or something.

And yes, Canada is awesome. It did look appealing back in November, except that I don't want to be a cut-and-run liberal, I prefer to be a stay-and-fight liberal.

[DaHood]

And yes, Canada is awesome. It did look appealing back in November, except that I don't want to be a cut-and-run liberal, I prefer to be a stay-and-fight liberal.
That's the way to be. I think these people who said they were going to move to Canada if Bush won and still live here are assholes. (with apologies to anyone on the board who might have done this :D )

I mean say that if you will, but do it!

[classicgrrl]

would any of you complain if they were ugly and had gross warts all over them..? Is your outrage just because they are cute and fuzzy?


if they had warts all over them they wouldn't be killed for their fur.

[DaHood]

if they had warts all over them they wouldn't be killed for their fur.
But I'm sure some enterprising young man or woman would find a way to make wartskin coats fashionable... and profitable. :p

[Handy Smurf]

[sarc] Hey whatever needs to be done in the name of fashion [sarc]
am I the only person that thinks everything about this industry makes it one of the most sickening in the world. I'm talking beyond shit like this(fur), too--just the mentality of people associated with it. If anyone watches the Ali G show, his character Bruno is an Austrian fashion tv correspondent. He does interviews with people at fashion shows that make you want to reach throught the television and hit the person

[DaHood]

[sarc] Hey whatever needs to be done in the name of fashion [sarc]
am I the only person that thinks everything about this industry makes it one of the most sickening in the world. I'm talking beyond shit like this(fur), too--just the mentality of people associated with it. If anyone watches the Ali G show, his character Bruno is an Austrian fashion tv correspondent. He does interviews with people at fashion shows that make you want to reach throught the television and hit the person
Okay serious time. I agree with you. Fur would be tacky even if it wasn't cruel. Besides, technology offers so many more practical ways to keep warm. Killing little animals just to get the fur is completely unnecessary.

[captain canuck]

Maybe its becasue seals are so tasty!! Have you had baby seal meat over a ceasar salad...it really cant be described.

[markalot]

Excellent third post captain canuck.

[yoshomon]

Disgusting. Its not just a personal choice (to wear fur) when innocent lives are taken.

Apparently PETA just got new undercover fur farm footage of animals being skinned alive (and then still being alive after they've been skinned). here it is (warning: it's graphic and disturbing) (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=fur_farm&feat=fur_farm&pos=fp1)

[JSpaceman]

Markalot, you're my new least favourite, thanks. Enjoy yourself... no seriously.....

[markalot]

Explain?

I was pointing out that a 3 post poster was basicly trolling.

/SARCASM <-------------

I mean WTF would you think I want to kill baby seals or wear fur?

[classicgrrl]

Explain?

I was pointing out that a 3 post poster was basicly trolling.

/SARCASM <-------------

I mean WTF would you think I want to kill baby seals or wear fur?

you just forgot the sarc tags. Spacey may have 11k posts but he's still a newb!

:p

is canuk ianalex10? discuss....

[Duemellon]

is canuk ianalex10? discuss....& circle gets a square...

really 'tho, we've had a recent outburst in dink identities that have popped up. Sure, CptC could be a genuine poster, but he sure came in swanging, didn't he?

[captain canuck]

you guys sure are anal about your posting. yes that was my third post...now on to my fourth...didnt know i wasnt allowed to make a joke. But i take the comment that i came out Swanging as a bit of a compliment. thanx.


note the lack of sarcasm in all of this please.

[Sushi]

really 'tho, we've had a recent outburst in dink identities that have popped up. Sure, CptC could be a genuine poster, but he sure came in swanging, didn't he?
Maybe he's been lurking awhile and was waiting for the right moment to come in with a bang, so to speak. (or with something he thought would be ironically funny). His profile looks like he's a genuine poster.

[captain canuck]

I really cant believe all the attention that I am getting on this. honestly i just started listening to woxy at x-mas and never bothered posting because nothing ever caught my attention. so am i genuine? I guess i am as genuine as anyone else...its nice tosee what i say got a reaction good or bad. have a good one.

[Duemellon]

Yah, it's just that you came in swanging, 'tis all. Welcome to the party.

[Sushi]

Yes, welcome. Your initiation has begun. The ritual scarification will commence shortly.

[JSpaceman]

/SARCASM <-------------

Ah, much better- all apologies. :D

you just forgot the sarc tags. Spacey may have 11k posts but he's still a newb!

Oh shush, you! :p


Welcome to the boards, Mr. Canuck... I think. Can everybody please stop using the word "swanging?" It reminds me of that horrible country song from back in the 80's! Atrocious stuff...

[captain canuck]

Yah, it's just that you came in swanging, 'tis all. Welcome to the party.


Golly you are allmaking me feel so welcome. I feel like Enders older brother Peter in "ender's Game" like maybe i can change the world with my posts.


i will probably get bored of this by monday and never be heard from again.

[Buzzstein]

Ah, much better- all apologies. :D


Oh shush, you! :p


Welcome to the boards, Mr. Canuck... I think. Can everybody please stop using the word "swanging?" It reminds me of that horrible country song from back in the 80's! Atrocious stuff...

you mean that John Anderson song?....DAMMIT! Now it's in my head!

[DaHood]

Can everybody please stop using the word "swanging?" It reminds me of that horrible country song from back in the 80's! Atrocious stuff...
Oh good god. That reminds me of the time my friend Lori and I drove around drinking wine coolers (yea, stupid I know) with a tape of that song. We kept rewinding it and singing it at the top of our lungs over and over and over. Fun times :D

[dlawson]

Disgusting. Its not just a personal choice (to wear fur) when innocent lives are taken.

Take out the fur part, and you could almost pass for a pro-lifer. There's hope for you yet!

[Sushi]

Thought I'd revive this thread, as the the baby seal hunt (and I use that term loosely--massacre seems a more appropriate term) is going on now/over the next several weeks. The International Fund for Animal Welfare has more information about the seal hunt, how to lobby to try and stop the seal hunt, etc.
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?splash&oid=17767

[gibby]

Done---an embarrassing practice that tarnishes a country I normally am proud to call home.

Since petitions can only do so much I have developed a new policy over the past few years in which I club anyone wearing fur. Then I spraypaint their bloody coat and their face (just to knock the point home). It is the fuck in the fur who is to blame.

[Handy Smurf]

Me- Wow, that coat looks great, is it real fur?
Her- Yeah its a mink
Me- Well I'd be really attracted to you if I wasn't so disgusted by anyone whose consumerism promotes the brutal murder of helpless animals for their fur
Her- ...uh
Me- Killer fashion statement, though

[captain canuck]

Well i am convinced now. I will only wear clothes made from rubber and only eat food that doesnt involve the death of innocent animals. The seals are going to have Hay day eating whats left of the fish in the Atlantic.

So does this mean its wrong to kill spiders? Just curious

[Orville Wrong]

So does this mean its wrong to kill spiders? Just curious
I have an ex-girlfriend that keeps me in speed dial for the sole purpose of arachnocide. I sleep well at night.

[captain canuck]

So to clarify it is okay to kill gross spiders and bugs...but cute fluffy seals NO. I guess i will put my clubbing stick away agian for another year.

[Shimmercore]

I am not opposed to fur being used to keep someone warm, but I would also expect that same person to utilize everything on the animal for food, tools, etc. A waste of a hunted animal is a sin, IMO. Although, I am truly sickened that baby seals still get clubbed. Who in the hell even wears seal fur?!? I didn't even know that seals had fur.

Mike

[wileE]

Me- Wow, that coat looks great, is it real fur?
Her- Yeah its a mink
Me- Well I'd be really attracted to you if I wasn't so disgusted by anyone whose consumerism promotes the brutal murder of helpless animals for their fur
Her- ...uh
Me- Killer fashion statement, though

T-shirt:
Fur - a killer fashion statement.

[gibby]

So to clarify it is okay to kill gross spiders and bugs...but cute fluffy seals NO. I guess i will put my clubbing stick away agian for another year.


Don't put the club away...just stick it up your ass where it belongs.

[captain canuck]

Don't put the club away...just stick it up your ass where it belongs.



wow for some one who is so against violence you are pretty tough. Tell you what I will shove it up my ass right after I get done putting on my brand new seal fur lined alligator skin pants.

[gibby]

wow for some one who is so against violence you are pretty tough. Tell you what I will shove it up my ass right after I get done putting on my brand new seal fur lined alligator skin pants.

I fully endorse violence against assholes...in fact I practice it regularly.
It is the weak and defensless that I stand up for.

As for your comment about the seals going to town on what is left of the fish in the maritimes.....that problem would not exist without human overconsumption. As soon as we step in is when the balance of nature fucks up.

keep the club where it belongs and switch up your locale to icy T.O. while your at it mate.

[captain canuck]

Well I for one dont eat fish so i am doing my share there. Yup you got me i am in Toronto the Centre of Canada, at least I am not in Vancouver the Centre of the World...go walk your cat.

How vain do you need to be to have your photo up as your avitar? JustCurious?

[gibby]

Well I for one dont eat fish so i am doing my share there. Yup you got me i am in Toronto the Centre of Canada, at least I am not in Vancouver the Centre of the World...go walk your cat.

How vain do you need to be to have your photo up as your avitar? JustCurious?

Like any semi intelligent Torontonian I got the fuck out to live somewhere better.
My Avatar: You really think I am John Frusciante?

Go shovel some snow ...but keep the club where it belongs boy. No cheating now.

[captain canuck]

Like any semi intelligent Torontonian I got the fuck out to live somewhere better.
My Avitar: You really think I am John Frusciante?

Go shovel some snow ...but keep the club where it belongs boy. No cheating now.



Exactly John Frusciante? it was either him our Jesus but I didnt think Jesus was around during the time of Flash photography. Actually its pretty nice in Toronto sunny and getting warmer by the day and on the plus side it doesnt smell so much like bull shit as it did before.

Enjoy the 2nd best city in Canada

[gibby]

Exactly John Frusciante? it was either him our Jesus but I didnt think Jesus was around during the time of Flash photography. Actually its pretty nice in Toronto sunny and getting warmer by the day and on the plus side it doesnt smell so much like bull shit as it did before.

Enjoy the 2nd best city in Canada

Maybe I'll run into you next time i'm in town. I picture you as a Queen street faux hipster, a little italy martini boy...or are you still fuckin about at The Brunswick House?
I would enjoy running into you.

[captain canuck]

Actually I live in the burbs, never went to the Brunswick in my life, and I only hit queen street maybe twice a year, yeah we should get together when you are in town...you will be able to recognize me by the club up my ass.

[Handy Smurf]

Like any semi intelligent Torontonian I got the fuck out to live somewhere better.
My Avitar: You really think I am John Frusciante?

Go shovel some snow ...but keep the club where it belongs boy. No cheating now.
HAHAHAHAHA, this guy reminds me on Peas'nAlex. Gibby, that would be sweet if you were John, but you would be so vain for posting your own pic in your avatar I'd lose a lot of respect for your music because of it. But, we all like you the way you is, moreso than if you were a member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
Hey Capn, way to come charging in with a flamethrower. If you really are going to compare swatting a bug to killing and torturing an animal for the purposes of furthering our own materialism, then fine. I don't have the Bloom County cartoon in my sig anymore, but to quote from it, yeah, moral failures are a bummer. I generally try to depart peacefully from bugs in my presence. Wasps I will kill. If baby seals managed to get into my home and flew around the room menacingly and were a threat to harm me, then I'd be forced to hit them with a flyswatter.
Keeping in mind-moral failures are such a bummer- there is a difference between killing an insect that has invaded your home and invading a seals home and brutally killing it so you can have a new pair of boots.
That said, if you really came here just to be a douchebag, you'll be ignored by everyone pretty soon. If thats not the case and you just have occasional random bouts of douchebaggery, I'd advise you to learn to control them.

Wheres yosh when you need him?

[captain canuck]

Hey I am not for clubbing seals but when guys like Gibby want to solve violence with violence i find that just as stupid. he sounds like he wants to fight me or maybe just shove a club up my ass. I can only wonder if hamsters were safe in this guys house.

[Orville Wrong]

My stick, Forsythe! Bring my stick!
http://www.seal.com/photos/images/seal4_1.jpg

[Handy Smurf]

Orville you slay me

[Shimmercore]

Is there really an argument between two Canadians in here?

Someone pass the popcorn.

[akip]

Actually its pretty nice in Toronto sunny and getting warmer by the day and on the plus side it doesnt smell so much like bull shit as it did before.



it may be sunny but it ain't warm. they might not know in cincy, but i know you're fuckin lyin.

i'd tell you what i think of toronto but i don't want to offend kyriakos.

and don't bother hitting back at buffalo---i have no allegiances.

:p just thought i'd back up gibby here in the canadian slugout.

[captain canuck]

it may be sunny but it ain't warm. they might not know in cincy, but i know you're fuckin lyin.

i'd tell you what i think of toronto but i don't want to offend kyriakos.

and don't bother hitting back at buffalo---i have no allegiances.

:p just thought i'd back up gibby here in the canadian slugout.


I never said it was warm...Just Warmer, and why would i bother taking a shot at Buffalo. Its like saying Ishtar was a bad movie.

[Buzzstein]

If baby seals managed to get into my home and flew around the room menacingly and were a threat to harm me, then I'd be forced to hit them with a flyswatter.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry, but that's an hilarious visual!! LOL!

[wileE]

Actually I live in the burbs, never went to the Brunswick in my life, and I only hit queen street maybe twice a year, yeah we should get together when you are in town...you will be able to recognize me by the club up my ass.

Hahahaha. That is a good one. I like Toronto. Never been to Vancouver, though, but will call on Gibby to give me a tour if I am ever on the left coast.

[Sushi]

That is a lovely visual.

Although, if baby seals were flying around my house, I'd probably do with them what I did with bugs when I was a kid. First, find a really big jar, then put some holes in the lid...

I'm not sure the analogy works between swatting a bug that is inside your home and deliberately going out and killing an animal that has done nothing to you and probably wouldn't ever want to be inside your house (flying or otherwise. For the record, I generally try to put bugs outside if I find them inside (unless it's freezing out, in which case we live and let live). The exception to this rule is bees/yellow jackets/wasps. I am allergic to such bites. Then it's a matter of survival.) It's kind of comparing apples to...clementines.

[wileE]

The exception to this rule is bees/yellow jackets/wasps. I am allergic to such bites. Then it's a matter of survival.)

Any wasp that happens to land near me (inside or out) or gets in our house will die quickly. Wasps don't like me and I don't like them. Not allergic, but have been stung way too many times by those damn things (and not because I was trying to kill them).

[akip]

toronto:
http://www.pubclub.com/toronto/Images/SkylineLead.JPG

i've been back & forth to toronto for 20 years with my toronto born-and-bred spouse. it has great ethnic food, but it's a profoundly ugly metropolis. the lack of urban aesthetics mystifies me--perhaps it's a legacy of the relentlessly pragmatic scots and rapid growth. setting/climate is a zero: miserable winters, lousy springs, often hot and sticky in the summer. strangely soulless---even the recent flood of ethnicity doesn't lend it any color. big chip on its shoulder--a nyc wannabe with the commerce but without nyc's energy or risk-taking creativity.



vancouver:
http://www.physics.wwu.edu/from/photos/vancouver.jpg

so far i like the people i've met from vancouver. setting's definitely beautiful. i'd put my money here.

[Handy Smurf]

I've never heard anything bad about Vancouver
The reviews have always been glowing

[captain canuck]

I went to BC a few years spent more time in Victoria but did see a bit vancouver. The Best part of Vancouver was exactly what you showed...the view coming in from the plane. It was kind of a toronto knock off, too many stores selling mountie toys and beaver pelts...but hey yummy Maple fudge cookies. Personally i find most of the people in toronto very polite and friendly willing to help out visitors when we can. he were rated one of the top 20 cities in the world...we cant be that horrible.

[gibby]

I went to BC a few years spent more time in Victoria but did see a bit vancouver. The Best part of Vancouver was exactly what you showed...the view coming in from the plane. It was kind of a toronto knock off, too many stores selling mountie toys and beaver pelts...but hey yummy Maple fudge cookies. Personally i find most of the people in toronto very polite and friendly willing to help out visitors when we can. he were rated one of the top 20 cities in the world...we cant be that horrible.

akip and HandySmurf hitting the nail on the head. Very Nice.

Captain whatever: A tourist in his own land....what a shame (Canuck my ass....and where did you come up with the heart of darkness location I wonder?)

Back to the seals now everyone!

[captain canuck]

Ok Gibby were did I come up with that? you seem so clever and smart? Tell me whats going on in my head that i put that as my location. I would do the same for you but I cant imagine why you have a picture of a 2nd rate guitarist from a band that hasnt been decent since '93.

[akip]

It was kind of a toronto knock off, too many stores selling mountie toys and beaver pelts...

instead of leaf toques! :D

btw, go leafs!! (if they ever get to play again)

my son loves toronto, esp the hockey hall of fame. he's getting a canadian passport whenever we get off our lazy behinds.

[GoWest]

My Avatar: You really think I am John Frusciante?



No. That would be ridiculous. Everyone knows you are Jonny Marr.

[gibby]

No. That would be ridiculous. Everyone knows you are Jonny Marr.

Bingo..........................

[Handy Smurf]

Ok Gibby were did I come up with that? you seem so clever and smart? Tell me whats going on in my head that i put that as my location. I would do the same for you but I cant imagine why you have a picture of a 2nd rate guitarist from a band that hasnt been decent since '93.
Blasphemy
I'm beginning to wonder if you're here because of music or to flame, because you obviously don't know dick for shit about music

[captain canuck]

Handy...just a quick question why do you have a picture of Grouchy Smurf as your Avitar if your name is Handy. And I am sorry I am not a fan of the Chili's they kind of lost me when they teamed up with beavis and Butthead.

And this is suppossed to be about seals, not a battle of cities or musical taste. I came on to defend canada, and when i ran into Gibby who only seemed to want to fight and club people i got a little revved up. I dont think the seal hunt is right, but its about a lot more then fur. go ahead and try and stop it, its well with in your rights. For me i just dont see a lot of difference between seals and cows, just like in other parts of the world they have no problem killing dogs for food...it is all about perspective. Is it brutal how the seals are killed...yes with out a doubt. But with all the crap that goes on in this world to be worried about seals seems a little silly. there are people in mine and your cities starving to death and most of us dont give a shit or do anything to stop it...pick your battles people that is all i am saying.

[Handy Smurf]

Handy...just a quick question why do you have a picture of Grouchy Smurf as your Avitar if your name is Handy. And I am sorry I am not a fan of the Chili's they kind of lost me when they teamed up with beavis and Butthead.

And this is suppossed to be about seals, not a battle of cities or musical taste. I came on to defend canada, and when i ran into Gibby who only seemed to want to fight and club people i got a little revved up. I dont think the seal hunt is right, but its about a lot more then fur. go ahead and try and stop it, its well with in your rights. For me i just dont see a lot of difference between seals and cows, just like in other parts of the world they have no problem killing dogs for food...it is all about perspective. Is it brutal how the seals are killed...yes with out a doubt. But with all the crap that goes on in this world to be worried about seals seems a little silly. there are people in mine and your cities starving to death and most of us dont give a shit or do anything to stop it...pick your battles people that is all i am saying.
I actually participate actively in charity to benefit the homeless, less fortunate, etc. I have donated time and money to many charitable organizations over the years. While I have donated to the WWF before, I am not exactly the champion of animal causes. I have begun to feel more strongly about some of these issues as of late and I'm merely posting my opinions on the matter-which is what message boards normally boil down to, ya know-typing and stuff
I think it was pretty obvious gibby was being sarcastic earlier with his remark. He doesn't go around clubbing people wearing fur and spraypainting their faces. If someone else wants to feel that level of contempt towards another human being, I have no problem with it-acting on it is another story. I think people who wear fur are assholes.
In the meantime, you hop on here and seemingly endorse sealpoaching while trying to point out the hypocricy of breathing in and out and simultaneously killing millions of microorganisms or whatever the fuck point you were making. Yeah we get it, cute animals always get the attention-what, does that suddenly making clubbing baby seals acceptable?
As for defending Canada, I witnessed you doing very little of that. You didnt need to anyway, gibby's Canadian.
As for "worrying about this" being silly, thats your perogative. You defend what you want to defend let others take up for the causes they care about...and people in your city and my city starving? WTF are you talking about? While there are homeless people in my city, people dont starve to death in this country. There are plenty of local/domestic problems I can/do pay attention to, but Americans starving isnt one of them- starving in 3rd world countries maybe, but not here
Lastly, you remarked about how this isn't about music its about seals, so why do you keep making a point of commenting on peoples avatars? Wow, I feel bad now. BTW, that is Handy, he shows up smiling on everyone elses screen, he's just glowering on yours because he thinks your an asshat

[jefrey]

Handy...just a quick question why do you have a picture of Grouchy Smurf as your Avitar if your name is Handy. And I am sorry I am not a fan of the Chili's they kind of lost me when they teamed up with beavis and Butthead.

And this is suppossed to be about seals, not a battle of cities or musical taste. I came on to defend canada, and when i ran into Gibby who only seemed to want to fight and club people i got a little revved up. I dont think the seal hunt is right, but its about a lot more then fur. go ahead and try and stop it, its well with in your rights. For me i just dont see a lot of difference between seals and cows, just like in other parts of the world they have no problem killing dogs for food...it is all about perspective. Is it brutal how the seals are killed...yes with out a doubt. But with all the crap that goes on in this world to be worried about seals seems a little silly. there are people in mine and your cities starving to death and most of us dont give a shit or do anything to stop it...pick your battles people that is all i am saying.

Fempte a bouche petite crete!
I'd like to know how many of the million seals actually get eaten and how many get used for clothing?

[captain canuck]

so much hatred, if you read the first few posts dedicated to this issue i was on defending canada. Why is it other people come on here calling names and making vailed physical threats and i come on here make a few comments and I am labeled a trouble maker. And even if that is handy thinking i am an Ass Hat he would still have a pencil behind his ear.

[atomikdarling]

And even if that is handy thinking i am an Ass Hat he would still have a pencil behind his ear.

Who died and made you the avatar police?

[captain canuck]

Who died and made you the avatar police?


Jim Bellows actually, he died this past weekend he was a great guy but the stress of looking at stupid avatar's all day was too much for his weak heart...please note the sarcasm.

man i cant even get out of this conversation with out starting more fights.

[akip]

maybe you should just jump to another forum and start pissing those people off.

sorry, didn't mean to offer encouragement.

[Orville Wrong]

i was on defending canada.
<fanboy>Since the whole military could fit in the Aud, it's really up to you... and Alpha Flight. Don't shower with North Star.</fanboy>

[seafoamgreen]

<fanboy>Since the whole military could fit in the Aud, it's really up to you... and Alpha Flight. Don't shower with North Star.</fanboy>


LMFAO!!!!!! :D

[captain canuck]

<fanboy>Since the whole military could fit in the Aud, it's really up to you... and Alpha Flight. Don't shower with North Star.</fanboy>



Nice, that was funny, really i liked that one. I could tell by the way North Star combed his hair he was a little different. Puck though...he was all man.

[Orville Wrong]

Thanks, I'll be here at WOXYCon all three days. Then, it's MotorCityCon, WonderCon, and my HBO special is taping in San Diego. No Prizes for seafoam and cc. Excelsior!

[SenorCardgage]

:ahem: Remember it's all about the cute picture

http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/dimages/custom/sealhunt/full/sad_eyes.jpg

[JSpaceman]

:ahem: Remember it's all about the cute picture

NEVER FORGET.

the stress of looking at stupid avatar's all day was too much for his weak heart...
Put your computer in safe mode. Should do wonders for ya.

[wileE]

man i cant even get out of this conversation with out starting more fights.

I think Atomic was having a bit of fun with you. Apparently, this is a touchy subject. Don't take any of it to heart.

[JSpaceman]

All seals need is love (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18342948%255E30417,00.html)

All seals need is love, says Beatle
AP
March 04, 2006
GULF OF ST LAWRENCE: A fluffy, doe-eyed seal pup looked dazed and mewed as Paul and Heather McCartney rolled around with it on an ice floe.

When the week-old baby seal snapped at the former Beatle and his wife - both long-time animal-rights activists - they told the creature that they were there to help, and lamented that it could be clubbed to death in Canada's annual seal hunt.

"The sad thing is that these beautiful baby seals all around us will be gone in a few weeks," Heather Mills McCartney told reporters brought to the ice floes yesterday to publicise objections to the hunt.

"They sell the baby seal skins for fashion and fur - that's what's so horrific about it."

Animal rights activists contend that killing the seal pups, who are typically clubbed to death or pierced with boat hooks, is barbaric and unnecessary.

Local fishermen and federal officials say seals are abundant and they badly need the income.

The McCartneys, dressed in orange thermal jumpsuits, took helicopters with a dozen journalists and members of the Humane Society of the United States and the British-based Respect for Animals, to the Gulf of St Lawrence, where the temperature was about -7C.

Hundreds of seals and their fluffy, days-old pups were lolling on the ice, their mothers taking breaks from nursing to bob in the water to fish.

The pups will shed their white fur within two weeks, when they become game for fishermen, who get up to $US70 ($94) apiece for a pelt and blubber.

The largest markets are in Norway, China and Russia.

The former Beatle acknowledged the local fishermen had hunted seals for hundreds of years.

"Well, in our view, that doesn't make it justifiable," he said. "Plenty of things have been going on for a long time, like slavery. Just because it's been going on for a long time doesn't make it right."

McCartney implored fishermen to turn instead to ecotourism activities, such as whale watching, as communities have done along the Atlantic Coast.

"This is one of the greatest wildlife spectacles on earth," he said.

"It's very rare that you can come to a beautiful, wild place like this. In our view, it would make more sense to look at ecotourism."

Sealers say the hunt has kept their communities afloat for centuries.

"He'll go out there and cuddle up to a whitecoat and they look beautiful, you can't get away from that and it is cruel, you can't get away from that either, but it's something we've done for 500 years," said Jack Troake, a 70-year-old sealer.

"It's helped to sustain us. We go to bed with a full stomach, a tight roof over our head. It's part of our culture, our history."

[Homsar]

$94 a piece?! Where's my club?!

[aqualou]

just don't try to club a navy seal . . . trust me
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/navy-seal-4.jpg

[agate0ph0be]

how dare they club and skin my cousin!!!!!! seriously, though, that's fucked up. do they really skin them alive? agh.


much love for the baby seals. i signed the petition anyway.

[Homsar]

Yeah, I bet that's their defense: We didn't hit the seals, we were just holding our clubs and they walked into them. Really fast!

[Shlep]

Well, this is an eye-opener. I too was under the impression that widespread revulsion and outrage stemming from the release of footage showing just exactly how it was that seal fur was cultivated ended the practice. Turns out that widespread revulsion and outrage merely led to a number of countries and entities (i.e. the European Union) to ban the import of seal fur coats, which seems to have done about as much good in ending killing seals for fur as it has killing elephants for ivory and tortoises for their shells.

As most of you here may be aware, I'm not Joe PETA over here, but I do consider it unconscionable to beat an animal to death for no other purpose than to turn its pelt into a coat for some rich assholes' second wife or sell its penis as an aphrodesiac (what the hell is it with Asian people grinding everythings' penis up and calling it an aphrodesiac? One word, boneheads: "Viagra." It actually works, welcome to the 21st century). Never mind that I'll freely admit that like most of us, I think they're also just too darned cute to get clubbed...which makes me wonder what sort of person can look down at a harp seal staring back at him with those big round harp seal eyes set in that baby harp seal face and then bludgeon its head in. Probably the sort of bakwards-assed Canuck rednecks who in the off-season spend their time guzzling cheap, shitty beer and chasing puppies and kittens around in the woods on their ATVs until their hearts explode.

[the happy prole]

If we're going to take a sledgehammer to a cow so that rich asswipes (like me, not too long ago) can eat 'em, then I really don't see how we can get offended about clubbing seals.

[JSpaceman]

If everyone hates clubbing so much why dont they just shoot them in the head?
You're brilliant, clever, and insightful, as always.

[DaHood]

I love clubbing.




Just not on baby seals.

[Sushi]

I love clubbing.

Just not on baby seals.
Well put.

Bludgeoning something to death is violent, painful way to die. I can't imagine anyone who would choose that as a way to go. And killing the young of any species (whether that young is cute and cuddly or not) feels wrong because we're programmed to take care of the young, not kill them. There is a certain level of innocence to a young animal or human--they're generally weak and relatively defenseless. The young are supposed to be protected. The combination of one of the worst ways with the taboo of killing the young makes the baby seal hunt repulsive (at least to me. Your results may vary.).

[Shlep]

If we're going to take a sledgehammer to a cow so that rich asswipes (like me, not too long ago) can eat 'em, then I really don't see how we can get offended about clubbing seals.

I've not looked into the current state of America's steak-producing kill floors, but I'm fairly certain that slaughterhouses use more more efficient methods to dispatch cows than sledging them to death. I believe some pneumatic device that causes essentially the same effect as a shot to the head is used.

My best friends' little bro runs a veterinary practice in Texas that involves him doing a lot of work on livestock. An seemingly unlikely implement he's used numerous times in his business is a lever-action .30/.30. If a cow or bull must be put down, putting them to sleep with chemicals costs $150, put sending it to the hereafter John Wilkes Boothe-style costs a modest $30. You can guess what most of the ranchers opt for.

Anyhoo, regardless of how they die, cows get put to a lot more sensible use that baby harp seals. Nobody clubs veal calves to death, peels off the raw material for leather, and leaves the rest to spoil.

[drexel dave]

You are either against killing any animals, or you are for killing any animal.

Just because a critter has got a cute face shouldn't propel it to the front of the line for sympathy.

[Shlep]

You are either against killing any animals, or you are for killing any animal.

Note to drexel dave: though the allure of framing certain issues in very rigid, simplistic, black vs. white terms is indeed strong, it should be avoided.

I agree that the simple fact that harp seals max out the Cute-O-Meter doesn't mean that we should be more or less outraged by them being killed for some commercial purpose. My particular problem with the practice is that simply killing the thing to produce an over-priced garment that makes the wearer look like a high-dollar hooker while leaving the rest of the carcass behind to rot is stupid; dispatching it in a clumsy, exceedingly inhumane way to assure the skin is left undamaged compounds the loathesomeness of the practice.

I liken this to game hunting where the kill is butchered for either personal conusmption or donated to food banks *and* possibly involves keeping a trophy-- which I believe is perfectly acceptable-- while killing the same sorts of animals for the sole purpose off hacking off the antlers and sticking them on your wall in the den is idiotic and disgusting.

[drexel dave]

So I guess the fact that own shrunken skulls of humans makes me some sort of bad guy eh?

Note to drexel dave: though the allure of framing certain issues in very rigid, simplistic, black vs. white terms is indeed strong, it should be avoided.

I agree that the simple fact that harp seals max out the Cute-O-Meter doesn't mean that we should be more or less outraged by them being killed for some commercial purpose.

[JSpaceman]

c'mon you know this place wouldnt be the same without me. ;)
Exactly right. Oh, you mean in a bad way?

You are either against killing any animals, or you are for killing any animal.

Just because a critter has got a cute face shouldn't propel it to the front of the line for sympathy.
I agree completely. But a cuter critter is much more likely to make it into the public spotlight and at least get a foot in the door for animal rights overall.

[Shlep]

Where do you stand on the Cute-O-Meter Shlep?

It depends. It tends to be calibrated differently for me than, say, my mother or purple_octopus.

So I guess the fact that own shrunken skulls of humans makes me some sort of bad guy eh?

Aw, heck no. That's entirely different.

[aqualou]

You are either against killing any animals, or you are for killing any animal.

Just because a critter has got a cute face shouldn't propel it to the front of the line for sympathy.
"What are you?" "I'm an otter." "And what do you do?" "I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands." "You're free to go." "And what are you?" "I'm a cow." "Get in the fucking truck, ok pal!" "But I'm an animal." "You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!"