suv drivers....what are their stereotypes?

[weezer6]

i generally roll in a ford focus zx3, but having just recently read a thread with the following statement:

"We wanna drive SUV's, give our rich folk more power, hate Queers, and have our church and state mixed!"

it got me thinking. is that really the traits associated with suv drivers? since it doesn't actually say that, just implies by association, i'm not looking to argue grammar or sentence structure.

i know people that drive suv's, and they seem pretty nice.

[Pretend Girl]

I hate SUV's, but my parents have one, and once when I had to bring a bunch of stuff back to school with me, I drove it back to Pittsburgh. I've never been cut off and not allowed to merge so many times in my life.

[Lidja]

Well.. there are two types of SUV owners though.
The "too-cool-for-Minivan-so-they-need-an -alternative" type and then there are people who use them for what they were designed for: the rugged cruel call of the wild.

[tobedawg]

SUV's encompass the Modern American Attitude..

They say:
"I've got mine, So Fuck you!"..

SUV's are bad for the enviornment sending out more carboemissions that minivans and smaller vehicles..

SUV's are huge vehicles and many drivers have caused accidents.. When they crash into a small car, they can kill the occupants of the car and the SUV will come out unscathed..

SUV's also increase our dependency on foreign oil and are one of the reasons for higher gas prices!!

I also don't understand why many SUV drivers are seen ALONE in their tanks!! Why does somebody need that much fucking space anyway?

Interestingly, in European Countries SUV's are seen as "taboo"...

Anyway, here's an article about SUV 's and their drivers:
http://www.alternet.org/story/14839

Here's another one: www.Ihatesuvs.com

[ahart2001]

Personally, I do not like SUV's. I don't see the purpose in one . . . kind of like lowering a truck. Purpose?? Most of the reasons for buying SUVs (that I have heard) include . . .

I need to haul stuff.
I need room for the kids.
Its safer.
I need it for drving in the snow.

All of these claims aren't very well based. If you really need to haul alot of big stuff? Buy a truck . . . you can;t fit furniture or drywall sheets into an SUV. Just need it for grocery or small cargo hauling? BUy a minivan or wagon.

Room for the kids? again, vans, agons, even some 4doors have plenty of room. Plus take into consideration how high up many SUVs sit. Young kids have a hard time getting in. This could result in injury. Not to mention the huge blind spot which can contribute to running over your kid in the driveway.

Its not safer. The driver of the SUV may not experience the same injuries as other cars, but the damage the SUVs cause other drivers is huge. In wrecks involving cars, SUVs are involved in a large percentage. Drivers feel "Safer" and therefore take more risks. Bring back the "safety in large cars" theory from the 70's. That proved wrong back then. The high center of gravity is bad enough, but when you load carcgo into the SUVs, the center of gravity moves even higher, increasing the risk of rollovers and loss of vehicle control. The blind spot again.

SUVs are not that great for snow driving. The center of gravity thing plays again. Trucks are much better because there is not all that extra body sitting high above the ground. You can load up the back of the truck bed, throw it in 4-wheel-drive and go. Many cars have the all-wheel-drive option which has often outperformed the 4WD on most SUV and trucks.

And for you environmentalists . . . the gass consumpiton of SUVs is very high. The regulations for fuel economy don;t fit them because they fall into the truck category. Most are built on truck frames.

When I see an SUV, my first thought is to get past it because having driven some myself, I know that the mentality the driver falls into is one of extreme safety. Its like driving a tank. Often times you forget that everyone else is smaller than you and that your vehicle is not as nimble and quck as the rest.

I'll stick with my truck and my 2dor import thank you very much.

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by Lidja
Well.. there are two types of SUV owners though.
The "too-cool-for-Minivan-so-they-need-an -alternative" type and then there are people who use them for what they were designed for: the rugged cruel call of the wild.

Haha, anything considered an SUV is not made for anything rugged. Jeeps are not SUVs. Land Rovers are not SUVs. The oricinal Hummer is not an SUV (its an Urban Assult Vehicle . . . hehe).

The New H2 has no offroad capability, it would tip over trying any kind of major off roading. The only real offroading the SUVs would be suitable for is driving on a beach, or desert, or across open fields and such. And kind of sock climbing or inclines would be a very baaad idea.

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by tobedawg


SUV's also increase our dependency on foreign oil and are one of the reasons for higher gas prices!!



I amnot sure about everyone else, but our gas prices are pretty damn low, compared to the recent averages. I got it for $1.53 the other day! How kick ass is that?! What is the average for everyone else?

[weezer6]

Originally posted by tobedawg
SUV's encompass the Modern American Attitude..

They say:
"I've got mine, So Fuck you!"..

SUV's are bad for the enviornment sending out more carboemissions that minivans and smaller vehicles..

SUV's are huge vehicles and many drivers have caused accidents.. When they crash into a small car, they can kill the occupants of the car and the SUV will come out unscathed..

SUV's also increase our dependency on foreign oil and are one of the reasons for higher gas prices!!

I also don't understand why many SUV drivers are seen ALONE in their tanks!! Why does somebody need that much fucking space anyway?

Interestingly, in European Countries SUV's are seen as "taboo"...

Anyway, here's an article about SUV 's and their drivers:
http://www.alternet.org/story/14839

Here's another one: www.Ihatesuvs.com

see, i don't quite get the first quote. if damn near everyone is driving the damn things, who are you saying fuck you to, the guy next to you in the explorer, or the dude on the other side in the chevy 4 wheel drive pickup?

i do agree, they suck down more gas, generally, but if they are selling good, those americans losing their jobs have a better chance of keeping them, which during this years elections, was a big issue. if people stop buying chevy trailblazers, the dayton, ohio area has a big problem.

[mik]

Sounds like some of youse guys have a little SUV-envy goin' on. I mean for crying out loud, you're opinion of someone is going to be based on the type vehicle they are driving!?!?! Sounds a bit prejudice to me.

Or, is it one of those "I can't afford one so screw everyone who can" deals?

[Cobalt]

just to further stir the pot.....

What about the mini SUVs like the RAV4 and CRV that are built on sedan chassis? I think it's the tercel and civic respectively.

Neither of these vehicles have a monstrous engine (I think they're both 4cylinders). I don't own one myself, but I'm looking at them because I need more space than a sedan and less space than a mini-van.

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by mik
Sounds like some of youse guys have a little SUV-envy goin' on. I mean for crying out loud, you're opinion of someone is going to be based on the type vehicle they are driving!?!?! Sounds a bit prejudice to me.

Or, is it one of those "I can't afford one so screw everyone who can" deals?

Nah man, I am not hating the SUV drivers. I just think that SUV are a waste of metal (or plastic as most vehicles are made nowadays). And I hate the fact that people buy them and try to use totally asinine reasons for buying them. If you break it down, there is no point in buying an SUV over any other vehicle except that it is the current trend. If someone is buying it for that reason, fine. But just don't try to reason it by saying its a necessity. Thats all.

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by Cobalt
just to further stir the pot.....

What about the mini SUVs like the RAV4 and CRV that are built on sedan chassis? I think it's the tercel and civic respectively.

Neither of these vehicles have a monstrous engine (I think they're both 4cylinders). I don't own one myself, but I'm looking at them because I need more space than a sedan and less space than a mini-van.

I don;t really consider those true SUVs. They don;t have that much cargo room or get up and go power. And usually they aren;t equipped with 4 wheel drive (its optional in some though i think). They are also the ones that have the optional hybrid technology. They are really just a lifted mini-wagon. And the people driving those generally don;t have the same mannerisms as most drivers of real SUVs.

[aqualou]

Whatever you want to call them, if i can't see around you and you chung tons of gas for load room that you never use, SU-fuckin'-V. If you're on your cell phone and you don't signal, your ass is mine.

[weezer6]

actually, my real reason for posting this thread was so i could get a few more names and labels i can throw down on my wife.

because we DO tend to go places where a full size suv is better suited, i got her a tahoe to replace her totaled lincoln. i noticed the suv hatin' earlier, but since she's now a driver, and i on the weekends, it jumps out at me a little more.

if i drive it to a board bash, will someone key it for me?

[Wondertastic]

they are horrible on gas mileage. thanks to the decrease in fuel effiecent vehicles, i'm paying more at the pump.

and give me a break. do you really need to cart your family around in something as ridiculously big as a tahoe or suburban. why don't you just drive a rv? you can barely navigate a city street in those things.

most of them wouldn't survive in real off-roading conditions.

the suv is the new minivan. i've found that getting stuck behind a suv on the road is as bad as getting stuck behind a minivan.

[turdferguson]

Originally posted by ahart2001


I amnot sure about everyone else, but our gas prices are pretty damn low, compared to the recent averages. I got it for $1.53 the other day! How kick ass is that?! What is the average for everyone else?

It is truly a sad day when $1.53 is viewed as a good price.

I personally have no love for SUV's since my Saturn would be little more than a speed bump if I was ever in a collision with one of those chunks of steel. I suppose I could just buy a H2 so I could do the most damage (to the environment and in a collision) and everyone else would just have get an M1-Abrams if they wanted to survive an accident w/ me. I hear Bradley armored vehicles make a great way to take the kids to soccer practice.

[ianalex10]

FUNNY! If I was to give you all SUV's for Christmas you would take it in a heart beat!


WWHHAAAAAAAA, I can't afford an SUV so they are bad!!!

[ianalex10]

Originally posted by ahart2001

The New H2 has no offroad capability, it would tip over trying any kind of major off roading. The only real offroading the SUVs would be suitable for is driving on a beach, or desert, or across open fields and such. And kind of sock climbing or inclines would be a very baaad idea.


:rolleyes:

[aqualou]

Originally posted by ianalex10
FUNNY! If I was to give you all SUV's for Christmas you would take it in a heart beat!


WWHHAAAAAAAA, I can't afford an SUV so they are bad!!! i'd burn it in the kenwood towers parking lot sos to take down clear channel too.

ps: i could afford one, but i hate them just so much! :p

[Wondertastic]

Originally posted by ianalex10
FUNNY! If I was to give you all SUV's for Christmas you would take it in a heart beat!

sure would. then i would turn around and sell it.

[weezer6]

Originally posted by Wondertastic
they are horrible on gas mileage. thanks to the decrease in fuel effiecent vehicles, i'm paying more at the pump.

and give me a break. do you really need to cart your family around in something as ridiculously big as a tahoe or suburban. why don't you just drive a rv? you can barely navigate a city street in those things.

most of them wouldn't survive in real off-roading conditions.

the suv is the new minivan. i've found that getting stuck behind a suv on the road is as bad as getting stuck behind a minivan.

gas mileage is better than my lincoln. it has more room, and almost the same luxury. parts are easy to get, since there are millions of chevys with the 350 c.i. motor. also, i couldn't touch a fourrunner, which is a lot smaller, of the same year for the same money. i mountain bike, camp, and take long trips to national parks every year, and don't like driving down shitty dirt/rock roads in cars.

anyway, the thing drives great, and, contrary to the quoted statements, it is quite easy to navigate a city street in one.

also, if you're stuck behind an suv, doesn't that contradict the aggressive, king of the road image. i mean, the suv isn't going FAST enough for you. driving slow isn't too aggressive, in my book.

by the way, i didn't need to say any of this, because you can figure all this out by just looking at me while i drive down the road

[Duemellon]

SUVs r a status symbol, that simpl.

They r status symbols b/c we kno they r unnecessarily gas-guzzlin high-maintenance road hogs that allow u to b taller than othrs & b seen.

Sorry, I really don't see the modern SUV as anythin but that, especially when considerin the functional value of a stationwagon, min or full-sized van, sedan, or truck.

It's about showin off ur ability to own the item. There is no way to convince me to spend $30/wk so I can drive 20min to work & 25min home from work, everyday.

I driv my Buick b/c I'm tall. I could drive a Civic, Saturn, or Probe, but I like feelin the comfort of the size in there. To justify drivin an SUV for the roominess u'd hav to be 7'6" and 500lbs. At a certain point u rn't drivin "roominess" u'r drivin a cavern.

[ianalex10]

Here is something for you tree huggers, not only does it get 8 MPG, but I cut the catalytic converters out of it!!


http://www.viperalley.com/gallery/data/504/223Viperonwizards1-med.jpg

[noonan]

Originally posted by ianalex10
...I cut the catalytic converters out of it!!

Does your dad know you're hacking on his ride like that?

[summerteeth]

Originally posted by turdferguson
It is truly a sad day when $1.53 is viewed as a good price.
agreed. i will say, though, that a high gas price should clue people in to either 1) car pool or 2) find a more gas efficient car. though my Focus gets good gas mileage, i'll will most certainly buy a hyrid or something similar once i run the Focus into the ground.

the problem with high gas is this: by the time SUV owners (or, for that matter, anyone who can afford the more expensive vehicle) get fed up with it, those of us in a lower income bracket will have already suffered far worse, perhaps to the point of giving up some essential good just to get from point A to point B.

maybe running out of oil would be the best thing to happen to this country in the long run... ;)

-st

edited to add: i can't believe I posted in the current events thread. maybe i'm starting to care about this country.

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by ianalex10
Here is something for you tree huggers, not only does it get 8 MPG, but I cut the catalytic converters out of it!!


http://www.viperalley.com/gallery/data/504/223Viperonwizards1-med.jpg

Now you see, where did anyone complain about Vipers? Noone claims that they buy it for cargo hauling. People buy Vipers to drive fast and cruise on a sunny weekend. You know Inalex, I thought people were just giving you a hard time because you were conservative and anti-lib . . . but it turns out they were right about one thing, you are an ass.
NEXT CASE!

[aqualou]

http://www.aros.net/~mstahnky/humor/Wrecks/SUV%20meets%20Trailer.jpg

[Wondertastic]

Originally posted by weezer6
gas mileage is better than my lincoln. the way gas prices are now and are going to be, the 14 city/ 18 hwy from the specs isn't too good.

anyway, the thing drives great, and, contrary to the quoted statements, it is quite easy to navigate a city street in one. the problem with them is that they have a hard time staying in there own lane, mainly because they are as wide as the smaller lanes.

also, if you're stuck behind an suv, doesn't that contradict the aggressive, king of the road image. i mean, the suv isn't going FAST enough for you. driving slow isn't too aggressive, in my book. i for one don't find them to be all that aggressive. i think too many soccer moms bought them thinking it would increase their cool points.

[summerteeth]

Originally posted by Wondertastic
i for one don't find them to be all that aggressive. i think too many soccer moms bought them thinking it would increase their cool points. you just used the words "cool points" in a thread. :p that's great!!

[aqualou]

Originally posted by Wondertastic
i for one don't find them to be all that aggressive. i think too many soccer moms bought them thinking it would increase their cool points. i thought they were for soccer moms who can't drive for shit, so they get a big vehicle so they won't get crushed. as for they other guy . . . fuck 'em. as for seating, most suvs carry as many people as a standard 4 door. "the way back" doesn't count as seating unless there are seats.

[weezer6]

Originally posted by aqualou
i for one don't find them to be all that aggressive. i think too many soccer moms bought them thinking it would increase their cool points. i thought they were for soccer moms who can't drive for shit, so they get a big vehicle so they won't get crushed. as for they other guy . . . fuck 'em. as for seating, most suvs carry as many people as a standard 4 door. "the way back" doesn't count as seating unless there are seats. [/B][/QUOTE]

the tahoe doesn't hold any more people than my lincoln, but it holds a hell of a lot more luggage, and i don't have to spend the additional time trying to solve the "luggage/trunk rubik's puzzle." minivans are nice, especially for luggage, but the domestics don't always get the best reviews when i comes to reliability, and the foreign ones cost an arm and a leg.

[markalot]

I drive a gas guzzling Nissan Frontier pickemup truck. So I'm cool, but those people in huge Lincoln Navigators or Lexus 10,000 boogers have problems. :)

Ok, so if SUV's suddenly got good mileage (hybrids) would people still hate them becuase of the size?

And I agree, it IS a status symbol, aka look how much I paid for this thing, but so are sports cars. /shrug It's Americana and in the true American spirit we will not eliminate the SUV but instead figure out how to get better milage from them.

This a a good thing IMO.

If everyone drove high mileage cars there would be no incentive to explore alternate fuels.

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by markalot
And I agree, it IS a status symbol, aka look how much I paid for this thing, but so are sports cars.wheras u r correct, we r talkin about SUVs. I wont by a sports car. If I was to get anythin that look status-symbol-y it'd b an early 90's model Caddy.

Howevr, it'd b strictly for the roominess inside. It's like drivin a Lay-Z-Boy around.If everyone drove high mileage cars there would be no incentive to explore alternate fuels. except the whole: runnin out of fuel supply thingy...

[markalot]

except the whole: runnin out of fuel supply thingy...

But if we start running out now we have the option to switch to high mileage cars while figuring out a solution. If we were all driving high mileage cars and supply ran low we're screwed.

Would that caddy be pink?

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by markalot
Would that caddy be pink? no sexual overtones plz...

it'd b a deep red (like apple) or deep blu (like royal)

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by markalot


But if we start running out now we have the option to switch to high mileage cars while figuring out a solution. If we were all driving high mileage cars and supply ran low we're screwed.

Would that caddy be pink?

1972 Cadillac Eldorado convertible . . .Hot Pink! . . . with whaaaaale skin hubcaps and big, brown, baby seal eyes for headlights! And get some get some McDonalds in the old non-biodegradable styrofoam containers . . . and when I am done sucking down those grease-ball burgers, I'm gonna toss those non-biodegradable styrofoam containers right out the side! And there aint a god-damn thing anybody can do about it. You know why? Cause we got the bomb. Thats right . . .two words . . . Nuclear Fuckin Weapons! Russia . . . Germany . . . Romania . . . they can have all the democracy they want. Thay can have a big democracy cake-walk right down the middle of Tiennaman Square because weee got the bomb . .ok? John Wayne's not dead, he's frozen! And as soon as they find a cure for cancer, they're gonna thaw out The Duke. And I'm gonna get The Duke, and Lee Marvin, and Sam Peckinwald, and a case of Tequilla. Then we are gonna drive down to Texas . . . . . . Cause I'm an ASSHOLE-E-OLE-E-OLE!

[supra-genius]

I have a Honda Passport and an Accord, my passport get almost the exact same gas milage as my accord (20 mpg versus 22) and it is well maintianed so it puts out less smog than most of your indier-than-thou beat up smoke-belching oil -leaking VWs and toyotas. Yes, some trucks (Like the H2 and the Excursion) are stupid, selfish wastes and need to be done away with but you should really watch how wide a brush you use when you start throwing labels around. I participate more in envirmental causes, I help clean up parks, help plant trees, I donate to green causes and spend my money on eco-friendly products. So, if after reading this, you still want to say all SUV drivers are slack-jawed selfish ignorant mouth breathers, then you are showing just how ignorant you yourself are.

[Jeff59]

Oh for the good old days when ownening a Mercedes or BMW was considered cool.....at least the coolness points came from ownening a well-made, well -designed high-peformance technologically advanced vehicle.

Or ownening a Jaguar because, well, they just looked cool.

Or a Cadillace or Lincoln, becuase they where such sweet rides (comfortable, roomy, and you could really cruise at 80 MPH not not feel much).

Theres just such a big El Stoopido/Dennis Leary "Im an Asshole" factor to SUVs...

[Jeff59]

Well goddamn, looks like someone beat me to the Dennis Leary reference.

I like SUVs becuase they're roomy.

Well...a big Buick, Cadillac, or Linclon Town Car are pretty roomy too.

[Jeff59]

Howevr, it'd b strictly for the roominess inside. It's like drivin a Lay-Z-Boy around.

You think the Caddy is sweet...try a Lincoln. I rented one for a road trip from Louisville to Ashville...loved it!

[postfeminist]

fuck SUV's... WAGONS are where it's at.

:)

[weezer6]

Originally posted by Jeff59


You think the Caddy is sweet...try a Lincoln. I rented one for a road trip from Louisville to Ashville...loved it!

lincolns are where it's at. drove to north carolina and montana loaded down like this, and still was able to cruise at 95 mph (out west), just floating along.

[markalot]

Originally posted by postfeminist
fuck SUV's... WAGONS are where it's at.

:)

Woodgrain panels.

[postfeminist]

hell yeah, woodgrain!

i wish i had 'em!

[mik]

I had a Pinto wagon in college with woodgrain (fake of course). It actually looked pretty silly, but it was cheap.

[yoshomon]

The earth isn't dying: it's being killed.

[back2vinyl]

Originally posted by yoshomon
The earth isn't dying: it's being killed.

I got a two word solution:

Gas Tax

Make it hurt in the pocket book to burn gas. If you want to put $5/gallon gas in a Suburban, knock yourself out. We'll get this Iraq war paid for in no time and have money left over to save social security. I'd raise it a nickle a gallon every month for about the next 10 years.

Of course, if Florida is underwater from melting artic ice, that could solve the social security problem too.

[slow-dog]

Originally posted by back2vinyl


I got a two word solution:

Gas Tax

Make it hurt in the pocket book to burn gas. If you want to put $5/gallon gas in a Suburban, knock yourself out. We'll get this Iraq war paid for in no time and have money left over to save social security. I'd raise it a nickle a gallon every month for about the next 10 years.

Yiou do know that most of the stuff you buy is created elsewhere, and that cost of transportation is a nontrivial portion of the total? So you're proposal would raise prices on most everything and everyone--even people who drive hybrids, or take public transportation everywhere.

[markalot]

Gas tax for personal vehicals, no tax on transportation. Will never happen unless there is a crisis.

I would go a step farther and put a big fuel tax on cross country trucks (not local, we need local) because I think it should go on trains.

So basicly you wake up and find that to drive to work is damn expensive. Hey, that metro bus route doesn't seem so bad now. Damn, I wish we had better transportation, let's get the locals to build us a passenger rail line, etc., etc., etc.

Without incentives these things will never happen.

[Fink1100]

i'm not quite sure how to piece this all together:

i've owned several SUVs, cars, motorcycles and a pickup. i live on a farm and my dad always has at least 3 vehicles. he pulls a trailer, hauls firewood, and does heavy labor with his ton truck - which gets 19mpg with a shitty american diesel:eek: i still don't understand how since it is geared so low and GM had the shittiest of shitty american diesels. he then has a pickup for more normal work (15mpg on a good day) and usually a car for mileage purposes.

the only reason he wants an suv is for 'style' points...well that and he has some obscene alterations he wants to butcher a suburban with. one of which includes a 4 cylinder diesel engine that would get about 30mpg. that's the annoying thing about diesels: they are the future of efficiency and lugging power, but we only see the filthy ones in america. mercedes will show us the way.

i've owned four SUVs. two olds' bravadas, one chevy blazer, and a jeep grand wagoneer (yes, the dinosaur with the woody sides). and i can cite many pros and cons. AWD was great, fuel economy was bad ( jeep got 13mpg no matter how i drove it), seating was kinda poor for the vehicle size, turning radius in the jeep was amazingly tight, ad nauseum.

the jeep was my last ride i sought out and bought a subaru impreza mini wagon to replace it. i get over double the mileage on cheaper gas (28mpg average on low octane), my insurance was cut in about half, i have AWD which beats 4WD for driving, and i can haul almost anything i ever tried to haul in the SUVs. i wouldn't try to do much out in the fields with it, but i'm definitely going the mini-wagon route from now on...especially if i can get a subaru with a woody panel...

[postfeminist]

speaking of gas, i had taco bell for dinner. shit, that's not what i came here to say...

mr. pf got gas for $1.55 tonight!!!!! so damn cheap... i can't remember the last time in recent history i saw it that low.

[classicgrrl]

after my car was hit from behind by an SUV I had to drive one for the rental.

the only thing I can say is I couldn't see out of it. I was very shocked at how horrible the blind spots were. And when I tried to turn around before changing lanes to check the damned seat belt clinked up and kept me from turning. I now keep my distance from them while driving my Honda.


it was a Ford Explorer I think. I didn't enjoy driving it. and yeah, paying almost 30-35 dollars for each fill up per week didn't sit well with me either. I pay 20-25 in my Accord for the same distance.

[slow-dog]

Originally posted by markalot
Gas tax for personal vehicals, no tax on transportation. Will never happen unless there is a crisis.

I would go a step farther and put a big fuel tax on cross country trucks (not local, we need local) because I think it should go on trains.

But the majority of that trucking traffic, tonnage-wise is short-haul and local, so you're still significantly impacting costs and impacting a minority market segment.

[Wondertastic]

Originally posted by slow-dog


But the majority of that trucking traffic, tonnage-wise is short-haul and local, so you're still significantly impacting costs and impacting a minority market segment.

i think he was exempting the trucks with the no-tax on transportation part.

i agree, we should be using more trains for cross country shipping.

[yoshomon]

A gas tax wouldn't even come close to address the growing multi-form environmental crisis. Even if you clean up the air and stop using so much gas, neither of those address habitat destruction, water pollution, and animal extinction.

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by markalot
Gas tax for personal vehicals, no tax on transportation. Will never happen unless there is a crisis.

I would go a step farther and put a big fuel tax on cross country trucks (not local, we need local) because I think it should go on trains.

So basicly you wake up and find that to drive to work is damn expensive. Hey, that metro bus route doesn't seem so bad now. Damn, I wish we had better transportation, let's get the locals to build us a passenger rail line, etc., etc., etc.

Without incentives these things will never happen.

Haha, we tried getting a rail that would run from Sharonville-ish to downtown and throughout Cincinnati . . . but the locals voted it down big time. I guess quick, easy, cheap transportation isn't worth the initial investment. I say Cincinnati should make a local fuel tax to pay for the light rail system. The thing was gonna be baaad asss too! Oh, and pull a European move and ban cars from downtown unless you live down there.

[markalot]

Originally posted by ahart2001


Haha, we tried getting a rail that would run from Sharonville-ish to downtown and throughout Cincinnati . . . but the locals voted it down big time. I guess quick, easy, cheap transportation isn't worth the initial investment. I say Cincinnati should make a local fuel tax to pay for the light rail system. The thing was gonna be baaad asss too! Oh, and pull a European move and ban cars from downtown unless you live down there.

Exactly, it won't happen without incentives (negative in this case).

SLow-dog, I woudl exempt all short haul commercial traffic and onyl tax long haul trucks (because I want those goods on rail).

[weezer6]

Originally posted by markalot


Exactly, it won't happen without incentives (negative in this case).

SLow-dog, I woudl exempt all short haul commercial traffic and onyl tax long haul trucks (because I want those goods on rail).

we've noticed that our goods take more of a beating on rail transportation, than truck. but since rail is cheaper, we are trying to improve our packaging.

[Digit1001]

Originally posted by ianalex10
Here is something for you tree huggers, not only does it get 8 MPG, but I cut the catalytic converters out of it!!


http://www.viperalley.com/gallery/data/504/223Viperonwizards1-med.jpg

Awesome dude. Now rev it up on the garage with the door closed for a couple of hours.

[wileE]

Originally posted by ahart2001


Haha, we tried getting a rail that would run from Sharonville-ish to downtown and throughout Cincinnati . . . but the locals voted it down big time. I guess quick, easy, cheap transportation isn't worth the initial investment. I say Cincinnati should make a local fuel tax to pay for the light rail system. The thing was gonna be baaad asss too! Oh, and pull a European move and ban cars from downtown unless you live down there.

That would have been awesome. People don't have a problem throwing money away for a stadium that gets used a dozen times a year, but for public transportation? Screw that!

[Digit1001]

Public transportation is pretty awesome when it works, but I don't think it's something that car-mentality cities are able to adjust to instantly. I ride the El to and from work, and on mornings like today when I had to wait on the platform for 10 minutes while the wind cut through me, a warm car sounded pretty nice.

However, even if I could drive to work (don't own a car anymore), it would still cost me $20/day to park. Add that to gas cost, insurance, maintenance, car payment, etc. and paying $3.50 round trip, and a few cab rides a month, and it probably works out cheaper (I hope).

I come from a family where my parents literally would drive their car to the next door neighbors house for a christmas party. Having a car puts everything on your time. Dealing with trains/buses puts you on a bigger schedule. Kind of like giving your self up to the Lord, only the Lord is run on diesel and electricity.

[Stine]

I'm an avid bus rider.
Started when I co-oped downtown and when I became full-time I continued.

Even though work pays for parking, I still ride the Metro.

I get through about 2 books a month, can relax and let someone else do the driving.

Although, my only qualm has already been brought up: I'm on the bus' schedule, it's not on mine.

So if I work until 5:55 I miss the 6pm bus and have to wait another half hour. Ick!

[back2vinyl]

Originally posted by slow-dog


You do know that most of the stuff you buy is created elsewhere, and that cost of transportation is a nontrivial portion of the total? So you're proposal would raise prices on most everything and everyone--even people who drive hybrids, or take public transportation everywhere.

Yes I know that. Let market forces work and stop subsidizing petroleum. The only reason everything it trucked is because trucks don't carry their fair share of costs i.e. its cheaper than trains. Even when we are not fighting a war, we spend about 50 Billion a year keeping the gulf open with our navy. If gas reflected the true cost to supply it, it would be about $5 bucks a gallon. I got these figures from Fortune magazine. Nothing happens until economics make it happen.

[back2vinyl]

Originally posted by yoshomon
A gas tax wouldn't even come close to address the growing multi-form environmental crisis. Even if you clean up the air and stop using so much gas, neither of those address habitat destruction, water pollution, and animal extinction.

It's a start. Cheap car transportation also contribute to water polution (oil and antifreeze in runoff) and to uban sprawl.

[yoshomon]

I believe in personal responsibility and accountibility. If you drive a heavily polluting/gas guzzling vehicle, you are contributing to the destruction of the earth. You a part of the problem. If you buy meat, you are paying for the death of animals and the destruction of the earth.

Folks talk about their "freedom" and "right" to be destructive, but I think it's about time we started holding people responsible for their lifestyle/consumer choices. If someone is driving an SUV, it is your business because you're living in a world that's being killed. If someone is buyinging a pack of cigarettes, it is your business because puppies are having cigarettes tested on them by tabacco corporations.

It should be common sense, but it's a radical idea that you are responsible for the actions you take and their consequences.

[mikeatthemadfro]

Yosh,

what about the poisons involved in making the computer that we're using to communicate right now...

I'm a moderate vegetarian/ environmentalist...

eat some egg (mainly when they occur in baking) and milk (pizza etc...and will not be able to entirely avoid those and other non vegetable products in france in a couple of weeks)

drive somewhat fuel efficient car...

but am I part of the problem?

what about bill gates? Is his ability to be a bastard in business and then spend his billions helping aids victims in africa a bad model?

can we use bad/ environmentally damaging stuff like computers and cars to turn around and do much greater good in the end?

[aqualou]

http://www.k9decals.com/ceramic/pupscigar.jpg

[Wolverine]

http://www.iowansforpeace.org/protests/SF/large/27.%20Draft%20SUV%20Drivers.jpg

[tobedawg]

Nice sign!

[yoshomon]

Originally posted by mikeatthemadfro
can we use bad/ environmentally damaging stuff like computers and cars to turn around and do much greater good in the end?

I'm not a moral consumerist, and I don't think boycotting bad things will make the environment better. But I do think that supporting unnecessary, destructive things like SUV's or the meat industry is just outrageous when there are more eco-friendly alternatives.

Until we rise up and call into question the totality of the system, we're all part of the problem, but some people (like Andrew Baker or the CEO of a logging corporation) are more of a problem than others.

[markalot]

Originally posted by yoshomon


I'm not a moral consumerist, and I don't think boycotting bad things will make the environment better. But I do think that supporting unnecessary, destructive things like SUV's or the meat industry is just outrageous when there are more eco-friendly alternatives.

Until we rise up and call into question the totality of the system, we're all part of the problem, but some people (like Andrew Baker or the CEO of a logging corporation) are more of a problem than others.

But those are your limits Yosh. I eat meat, therefor I am supporting X. You use a computer, but you aren't a moral consumerist so it doesn't count?

A computer is not nessesary, nor is the meat industry, nor are SUV's nor are cars, etc. We all make decisions based on our comfort levels.

I don't like testing on animals, so I fully support your fight against the companies that do it. I like meat, so I don't support your position against the meat industry. etc.

What is it that makes your positions better than mine (not that you ever claimed they were better).

[yoshomon]

Computers and cars can be used to make the world better. They can be used for positive things.

To be honest, I cannot think of a single positive thing the meat industry brings to the world.

Let's see what it brings:
*Death - billions of non-human animals are slaughtered every year

*Food - the meat industry requires a huge amount of agriculture to support it... food that could feed the world many times over

*Environmental destruction - factory farms give off a shitload of greenhouse gases, not to mention water pollution. the industrial agriculture needed to sustain the meat industry destroys entire ecosystems.

*Unhealthiness - the #1 cause of death in the U.S. is cardiovascular problems and a meat-based diet is to blame. meat is loaded with saturated fat, while vegan diets have very little saturated fats and no cholesterol. guess what causes heart attacks?

*A culture of denial - we're simultaneously raised to love animals and to overlook their death. the amount of suffering inflicted upon animals is so immense that it's impossible to comprehend. our culture is in denial of all this suffering and death, and denial is not healthy.

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by yoshomon
Computers and cars can be used to make the world better. They can be used for positive things.

To be honest, I cannot think of a single positive thing the meat industry brings to the world.food.

Food some of us need.

Substances we can't get from plants.

Food.

as well as the ability to grow more food, such as vegetables & fruits, & things. How long do u think the pure-vegetativ farmrs would survive if we didn't use domesticatd animals for their byproducts to help grow them?

[Dick Cheney]

This whole thread is nonsense.

Go out there and buy that SUV. Who cares about what type of car you drive anyhow?

We are doing all we can to make the enviornment better thanks to the Clear Skies Initiative and the Healthy Forrests Initiative! In the next 4 years, you will see exactly how much we care about the enviornment. We will be working hard to get an energy policy passed that encourages more consumption.

[ahart2001]

If tigers eat meat, and vultures eat meat and dogs eat meat, and a bunch of other animals eat meat, whay can't I eat meat? Meat has protein and protein is an essential element in human development. Meat and milk have natural ingredients that help the processing of nutrients. When you consume pills or "vitamins", more often than not, the substances in the said pills are synthetic. Being synthetic, they have a slightly differnet makeup and alot of times are not absorbed and utilized as the natural stuff. Hence the reason Vitamin D is now added to "cacium enriched" milk. They have found that Vitamin D helps speed up the absorbtion of calcium. Without the extra Vitamin D, all that calcium would just passed through the body.

I can agree that hunting for fun is wilful destruction of animal life. But meat eating is in my genes at least. Hence incisors. I don;t know how many carrots I have to rip apart. Last time I checked, it was simply bite and chew. Everything is bad if not eaten in moderation. Too much meat will cause problems. Lack of meat can cause problems too.

[weezer6]

bringing up computers, they should be banned, or heavily taxed (like the equally evil suv), since they are used by perverted old dudes to try and score with underage girls and boys. internet porn is rampant, and can lead to blah, blah, blah. society must rid itself of the computer. nobody really needs them, anyway, since we've existed thousands of years without them.

[Juliana]

I used to have a regular old car, but my parents gave me their Explorer last December, and while I don't necessarily like the way it handles in snow (or probably more like I don't like to drive in snow period because it's scary), I like driving a lot better than my car. IT doesn't get as good of gas mileage, but my car was insanely fuel efficient. The Exp isn't horrible though.

I like having the room. I like being able to transport stuff. You can't use the truck arguement, because a truck isn't practical if you've got more than two people to transport, unless you get one of the big trucks with a backseat, in which case, your truck is so big and probably runs on diesel that it negates the arguement.

The Exp was EXTREMELY handy moving all my stuff down here. SUre we needed my dad's truck for the sofa and the bed, but having a COVERED way to transport in the rain was awesome for pretty much everything else.

Before I drove the Exp, I too had a disdain for the SUV, but since I've been driving it, and it's been a fairly reliable car, especially considering it's a 92. I think if we had the money to get a new one, we would when we buy our next car. That said though, they're a little out of our price range.

[Digit1001]

I don't really have a problem with people eating meat, although I am a vegetarian. However, I do have a BIG problem with the meat industry. If you ate a hamburger 30 years ago, it probably was meat from one cow. Today it's from thousands. If you get one sick animal in the process, it can poison a lot of people.

Meat is good protein, but since the meat industry has such a strong lobby, we're just inviting e coli, and mad cow's disease outbreaks so these monolithic companies can keep their share prices high and give themselves huge bonuses.

There are so many aspects that make the industry bad... their use of cheap migrant labor that they literally work to death a lot of the time. Their mass slaughter facilities that totally fuck a community, as well as the mistreatment of the animals at every step of the way.

I may eat meat if I could get it from a local farmer who raised it without a bunch of chemicals and such, but since I don't have access to that, I find it easier to just avoid the situation all together. If you eat a balanced diet, there are very few nutrients that you'll miss with a meatless diet.

When I ate meat, I hated hearing vegetarians condemn me for doing so. I'm not trying to do that. I think there is a "cycle of life" that includes humans eating meat, sharks eating humans, etc. I also see the current trend in corporate mass-production in the meat industry as problematic for many health and environmental reasons though. I'd love to see family farms be successful at raising and selling chickens and cattle, but sadly, I think those days are long gone.

[slow-dog]

Originally posted by weezer6
bringing up computers, they should be banned, or heavily taxed (like the equally evil suv), since they are used by perverted old dudes to try and score with underage girls and boys. internet porn is rampant, and can lead to blah, blah, blah. society must rid itself of the computer. nobody really needs them, anyway, since we've existed thousands of years without them.

Plus, anything you really need to do with computers can be accomplished with a radio, a calculator, a typewriter, a set of lawn darts, and a library. ;)

[markalot]

Originally posted by slow-dog


Plus, anything you really need to do with computers can be accomplished with a radio, a calculator, a typewriter, a set of lawn darts, and a library. ;)

Don't forget the Kleenex.

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by slow-dog


Plus, anything you really need to do with computers can be accomplished with a radio, a calculator, a typewriter, a set of lawn darts, and a library. ;)

YOU LIAR!!!!!! WIthout the computer, I would not be able to listen to 97X. Now you shut your mouth before I slap a WOXY sticker across it. ;)

[yoshomon]

Originally posted by ahart2001
If tigers eat meat, and vultures eat meat and dogs eat meat, and a bunch of other animals eat meat, whay can't I eat meat? Meat has protein and protein is an essential element in human development. Meat and milk have natural ingredients that help the processing of nutrients. When you consume pills or "vitamins", more often than not, the substances in the said pills are synthetic. Being synthetic, they have a slightly differnet makeup and alot of times are not absorbed and utilized as the natural stuff. Hence the reason Vitamin D is now added to "cacium enriched" milk. They have found that Vitamin D helps speed up the absorbtion of calcium. Without the extra Vitamin D, all that calcium would just passed through the body.

I can agree that hunting for fun is wilful destruction of animal life. But meat eating is in my genes at least. Hence incisors. I don;t know how many carrots I have to rip apart. Last time I checked, it was simply bite and chew. Everything is bad if not eaten in moderation. Too much meat will cause problems. Lack of meat can cause problems too.

Tigers, vultures, and dogs do not domesticate and slaughter billions of animals and destroy the enivronment in the process.

Try tracking down an animal, attacking it with your hands, and biting into it. See how well you do at being a carnivore.

Btw, I don't eat any animal products or take vitamins, and I'm very healthy. It's really not that hard to eat a balanced vegan diet.

[markalot]

Originally posted by yoshomon


Tigers, vultures, and dogs do not domesticate and slaughter billions of animals and destroy the enivronment in the process.

Try tracking down an animal, attacking it with your hands, and biting into it. See how well you do at being a carnivore.

Btw, I don't eat any animal products or take vitamins, and I'm very healthy. It's really not that hard to eat a balanced vegan diet.

I think they would if they had the means. It's all part of supporting a larger and larger population.

[Digit1001]

Originally posted by markalot


I think they would if they had the means. It's all part of supporting a larger and larger population.

I think that's exactly the problem at hand.... exponential population growth with finite resources, be that oil, air, water, or food.

As soon as we started domesticating animals for food and farming the land to have food surpluses, we started down this road. I'm sure I'd have a hard time living the nomadic life, chasing the heards, and eating the berries that are on hand, but that's a much more sustainable way of life.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go chase an elk down Lake Shore Drive.

[postfeminist]

especially the lawn darts.

[mik]

To all of you import/smallpickup/minivan drivin' SUV haters, if I see you in a snow bank or struggling to get up a hill in this weather, don't worry I'll help you out. I already had to push a minivan and a small pickup truck today that were having trouble.

[Duemellon]

Minivans get help.

SUVs get laughd at.

Why was I stuck bhind a SUV on 71 goin 20mph? When, in my Buick, I would go 50 as soon as I passed them?

It's an "SUV" remember? A "sport" utility veh? OMG, why'd u buy it then?

[sanchez.]

every SUV driver i know is a conservative close minded uncaring about the enviorment human that belongs to a country club and uses the word retarded to mean stupid. and i wish i was joking.

[mik]

This thread cracked me up so much when I first saw it a couple of weeks ago that I just couldn't resist resurecting it on a day like today. I mean really, some of you really are full of yourselves. Where do you come off "pigeon holing" people based on what they drive? Due has a Buick, good for him. Not what I would drive but if it works for you, cool. Someone else mentioned they drive a Focus and someone drives a pickup. Again, good for you.

Due, that definitely wasn't me you were behind in your Buick :)

sanchez, then you obviously don't know me. No country club membership for me, there is plenty that I do to for the good of environment, and the word retarded is not part of my active vocabulary. Your need to lump everyone together appears to be a bit close minded..............

[sanchez.]

sanchez, then you obviously don't know me. No country club membership for me, there is plenty that I do to for the good of environment, and the word retarded is not part of my active vocabulary. Your need to lump everyone together appears to be a bit close minded..............


i'm glad to hear this.

i don't have a need to lump everyone together. i didn't say that every suv driver i see on the road falls under this category, but sadly everyone i have ever had a conversation with that owns SUV does fall under this category. i never assumed anything about them, but getting to know them has allowed me to state this opinion as an "every SUV driver I know.." statement.

[mik]

sanchez, peace.
you drive what you want, I'll do the same :)

[Duemellon]

sanchez, then you obviously don't know me. No country club membership for me, there is plenty that I do to for the good of environment, and the word retarded is not part of my active vocabulary. Your need to lump everyone together appears to be a bit close minded..............SANCHEZ! BEWARE!

ah, bfore u fall for this one, he's a card-carryin membr of the 700 club & voted for Bush 2x this election. Furthermore, he routinely beats baby seals over the heads/w his 9 iron & burns down old-growth trees b/c they block his view of the asphalt canyon he's personally fundin from his inheireted billionaire-status.

He's the debil. Believe me.

[sanchez.]

He's the debil. Believe me.

i always knew SUVs went hand in hand with Satan.

[wileE]

Was behind a Jeep Cherokee today going 20 mph. Got tailgated today by a Lexus SUV (I couldn't go any faster because of the two cars in front of me).

All SUV drivers are not <insert stereotype here>. Also, all minivan drivers (of which I am one) are not <stereotype here>. Don't take it personally mik (or wolvie), people are just blowing off steam. Same way Phreon was with his minivan thread.

What really pisses me off is people in porsches, vettes, audis, and bmws puttering along at the speed limit and creeping around turns. If you are going to spend that much money on a car, driving it like it was engineered to be driven!!

[kukabuka]

Agreed. Did those people shop for a car or a status symbol? When I bought a fast car, I bought it to drive fast.


What really pisses me off is people in porsches, vettes, audis, and bmws puttering along at the speed limit and creeping around turns. If you are going to spend that much money on a car, driving it like it was engineered to be driven!!

[Duemellon]

Agreed. Did those people shop for a car or a status symbol? When I bought a fast car, I bought it to drive fast.hey Kakabuka u wouldn't happn to kno Marlamalamalon?

[classicgrrl]

I saw two SUV's flipped on their roofs along 75 S on Thursday night. both were involved in multicar accidents.

does that count?

[DaHood]

It's a free country and people are free to drive whatever they want and can afford. Don't hate people because they have freedom of choice. Personally, I drive a midsize car and I'm quite happy with the power, room and MPG (30+ highway, not bad for a Buick). I value the comfort and sense of safety I feel with a bit of metal around me. I would drive a SUV if I felt the need... I can afford one but it's just not for me, can't see spending all that money on fuel.

I learned to drive in a Chevy Suburban so exta large vehicles are no stranger to me. People need to understand that it takes some self training to comprehend the physics of an oversized vehicle.

As far as the dangers that SUVs pose to drivers of smaller cars: Accidents happen more because of people's bad driving habits than what they drive. It's true that some SUV drivers get a sense of invincibility, and don't take the time and care to understand the physics involved with driving a larger vehicle.

What it comes down to is common courtesy while driving. Be aware of your vehicle whatever you drive and drive defensively, not offensively.

[MonkeyGirl]

suvs may be gas-guzzlers...true

however...my puny nissan sentra is still stuck in my parking space and it was my brother who came with his suv (a pathfinder) to get my family and me to the christmas parties (yes, that was important. I needed my damn presents.)

So it's moments like those when I think "perhaps a 4 wheel drive vehicle is a better option".

I'm already considering a larger vehicle cause I plan on breeding more. And I remember back in the day, when my three brothers and I were crammed in a crummy Citation for family outings. It SUCKED ASS. Then my parents got a Suburban and it was all good. Elbow room is a great thing when you're 7.

Hell yeah.

[beki]

i don't have a problem with suv drivers as people, but, as with most other large vehicles on the road, i've had a whole lot of close calls with them just totally ignoring my geoprism because it was under their line of vision. it's really fucking scary to be merged or backed into -so please be careful. i try to keep out of blind spots but i didn't realize that driving a comparatively low riding vehicle made me constantly in one!

[DaHood]

i don't have a problem with suv drivers as people, but, as with most other large vehicles on the road, i've had a whole lot of close calls with them just totally ignoring my geoprism because it was under their line of vision. it's really fucking scary to be merged or backed into -so please be careful. i try to keep out of blind spots but i didn't realize that driving a comparatively low riding vehicle made me constantly in one!

A lot of dumbfucks are on the road, they're just a lot more noticeable and possibly more dangerous when they drive huge vehicles and don't know how to show consideration for smaller vehicles. Please people use common sense and common courtesy no matter what you drive.

[Duemellon]

Ok, DaHood, u kind'v pulld a counter-oversimplification on that one.

U turnd a stereotypin of SUV drivers into a moral battl ovr "hatin freedom".

What's that? Wow. Does this make them equivalient to terrorists? God, I hope not. What the situation is, isn't that they hate freedom of choice, it's that they hate those who chose that!

We hav the freedom to say "bitch" but if someone choses to use it in an offensiv situation, we can chose to not like their choice.

Plz, don't counter-oversimplify, 'tis silly & very Fox News-ish of u.

[3rd Silo Record]

I like my Wrangler. It came in handy driving from Hamilton to Knoxville on Thursday. My wife's Passat can't drive down our road yet because the city of Hamilton hasn't plowed our street yet ( bastards ).

Is it the most economical or comfortable choice of vehicles? No. But it's nice to have when I need it. BTW, I voted for Kerry this time and Nader in 2000. I didn't realize that I wasn't towing the line of indier-than-thou socially responsible boarders here. As soon as the snow melts, I'll trade my Jeep in for a Honda Inspire.

[beki]

who needs an suv anyhow when you can just put REALLY BIG TIRES on your sedan (and look way cool)?!:D

[purple_octopus]

who needs an suv anyhow when you can just put REALLY BIG TIRES on your sedan (and look way cool)?!:D
OMG, I was driving down the road the other week and saw a Lincoln Towncar (early 80's model) on monster truck wheels. I shit you not. And this Towncare was pimped out. The bottom of the Towncar was over the roof of my little Focus ZX3, and I could see the underside of their car from sitting in mine. I never could figure out how they got in and out of there. :eek:

[weezer6]

suvs may be gas-guzzlers...true

however...my puny nissan sentra is still stuck in my parking space and it was my brother who came with his suv (a pathfinder) to get my family and me to the christmas parties (yes, that was important. I needed my damn presents.)

So it's moments like those when I think "perhaps a 4 wheel drive vehicle is a better option".

I'm already considering a larger vehicle cause I plan on breeding more. And I remember back in the day, when my three brothers and I were crammed in a crummy Citation for family outings. It SUCKED ASS. Then my parents got a Suburban and it was all good. Elbow room is a great thing when you're 7.

Hell yeah.

we used to jam 3 kids in the back of a citation, also. we'd call the "un-squishy side". since there were only 2 seatbelts, 2 kids had to share one, thus creating the squishy side, and making the "un-squishy side" more desireable.

i didn't even come remotely close to getting stuck anywhere in my tahoe, but it was a little dicey in my focus. i did all my christmas shopping wednesday night, when it all was falling down, in the focus. if you look ahead, and use momentum, front wheel drive cars can go through a lot.

[Duemellon]

if you look ahead, and use momentum, front wheel drive cars can go through a lot.*gasp* did u just say that if u kno what ur car can do it can get thru snow like this?

EGADS! brilliant!

Now, grantd, it was a focus so I am impressd, but these g'damnd ppl who don't kno how wide their car is, or understand about momentum... grrrrrrrrrr.

[guamie]

who needs an suv anyhow when you can just put REALLY BIG TIRES on your sedan (and look way cool)?!:DDon't forget the gold shiny wheel thingys that move independent of the tires! :cool:

[beki]

Don't forget the gold shiny wheel thingys that move independent of the tires! :cool:

yeah! i can't think of a more stylish way to get my fingers chopped off than by sticking it into a set of those!

[LadyJo]

I have no problem with SUV's, I just hate being parked between two of 'em because I can't see anything as I'm pulling out.

[Digit1001]

OMG, I was driving down the road the other week and saw a Lincoln Towncar (early 80's model) on monster truck wheels. I shit you not. And this Towncare was pimped out. The bottom of the Towncar was over the roof of my little Focus ZX3, and I could see the underside of their car from sitting in mine. I never could figure out how they got in and out of there. :eek:

I saw an 80's model firebird like this a few years back. The bottom of the doors were at least 4-5' in the air. This was in NW Indiana though, so this is to be expected.

[Sovrana]

I have no problem with SUV's, I just hate being parked between two of 'em because I can't see anything as I'm pulling out.


That kinda makes me crazy too. Backing out of one of these spaces I am nearly always met by a speeding, honking, parking lot driver who is mad at me for backing out in front of her/him.

I always thought that parking lots should have designated SUV/minivan parking as a courtesy measure as well as for safety.

[beki]

I have no problem with SUV's, I just hate being parked between two of 'em because I can't see anything as I'm pulling out.

i have no problem with SUV's i just hate driving or parking near them. hahahahahaha