Lindsay Lohan:another Milli Vanilli in the making?!?

[SteelTown Boy]

Loose Lips Sink Lohan?

After Ashlee Simpson's lip-syncing debacle on "Saturday Night Live," teen-idol Lindsay Lohan surely wouldn't make the same mistake during her live televised singing debut on "Good Morning America" - especially after "GMA" anchor Diane Sawyer kept teasing the performance as "television history!"

But Monday, after Lohan appeared on the ABC News morning show to hawk her new album, "Speak," several viewers claimed that, as one wrote on gawker.com, she did "a woeful job of lip-syncing her way through two mind-numbingly generic Britney/Ashlee cast-offs. Looked like she hadn't even bothered to learn the songs properly."

Flacks for Lohan and the Casablanca record label insisted that she belted out every word of the tunes "Rumors" and "Over" - albeit with the aid of a "backing track," the audio equivalent of Hamburger Helper.

"GMA" spokeswoman Bridgette Maney told me: "All musical artists that perform on 'Good Morning America' are required to perform live. On occasion, artists will have a backing track to support their live vocals." (Lloyd Grove - NY Daily News)


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[Seattle93]

Originally posted by SteelTown Boy

But Monday, after Lohan appeared on the ABC News morning show to hawk her new album, "Speak," several viewers claimed that, as one wrote on gawker.com, she did "a woeful job of lip-syncing her way through two mind-numbingly generic Britney/Ashlee cast-offs. Looked like she hadn't even bothered to learn the songs properly."

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http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/mtv/mtv_movie_awards_arrivals_2004_photos/lindsay_lohan/mtv11.jpg VS http://us.ent2.yimg.com/musicfinder.yahoo.com/images/yahoo/geffen/ashleesimpson/0704_ashlee_simpson_a.jpg

[postfeminist]

WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE FAMOUS?

[SteelTown Boy]

a:reality TV
b:what kind of sex acts can they do for a record deal?
c:managers paying off the radio stations for airplay
d:all of the above

[ms. chevious]

i guess i just don't see what the big deal is with this lip-synching. it's not like they were trying to pass off someone else's singing as their own. i'm certain that i couldn't write my dissertation without the help of handy functions like spellcheck and cut&paste, and i know for a fact that i'm a much better teacher when i have some notes in front of me...so if these ladies use a little technology to help them give better performances, so what? we consider turntableists - who also create their performances out of entirely prerecorded material - near gods (didya see the line last night to see grandmaster flash at sonotheque in chicago?), but lip-synching ladies are somehow completley different. (true, there are subtle differences, but my main point is that our aesthetic categories/criteria/values are still stuck in the 19th c, and obviously aren't adequate to contemporary styles, technologies, contexts, etc).

also, i think we should note that it's all female artists who are being slammed for lip-synching...because we have these certain macho ideals about "authentic" performance and "virtuosity" (which really turn music into one huge pissing contest...e.g., crazy metal guitarists). music made by women, and especially music made for audiences of teenage girls is systematically devalued in our society; this is mostly a reflection of our society's total devaluation of teenage girls. there are any number of dudes who 'rawk' who use prerecorded backing - and lead - vocals, but do you see them crucified in the media?

[SteelTown Boy]

reason being is that they're not shoved into the media spotlight 24/7. The shit will really hit the fan once Paris Hilton's cd comes out in 2005.

i have no problem with anyone making an honest effort in doing their music,but i do have a problem with people passing off for something they're not. Ashlee was tagged as a "punka" ala Avril Lavinge-but people saw thru it. I mean,if anything-Lindsay should have rehearsed properly before botching the effort.

[sleepingbeauty]

Originally posted by ms. chevious
i guess i just don't see what the big deal is with this lip-synching. it's not like they were trying to pass off someone else's singing as their own. i'm certain that i couldn't write my dissertation without the help of handy functions like spellcheck and cut&paste, and i know for a fact that i'm a much better teacher when i have some notes in front of me...so if these ladies use a little technology to help them give better performances, so what?

You wrote the dissertation. These girls are lucky to have one verse in their songs that belong to them.


we consider turntableists - who also create their performances out of entirely prerecorded material - near gods (didya see the line last night to see grandmaster flash at sonotheque in chicago?), but lip-synching ladies are somehow completley different. (true, there are subtle differences, but my main point is that our aesthetic categories/criteria/values are still stuck in the 19th c, and obviously aren't adequate to contemporary styles, technologies, contexts, etc).


This is called creativity. Lip-synching to material they did not write that happens to sound like everyother pop singer at the moment is not creative.


also, i think we should note that it's all female artists who are being slammed for lip-synching...because we have these certain macho ideals about "authentic" performance and "virtuosity" (which really turn music into one huge pissing contest...e.g., crazy metal guitarists). music made by women, and especially music made for audiences of teenage girls is systematically devalued in our society; this is mostly a reflection of our society's total devaluation of teenage girls. there are any number of dudes who 'rawk' who use prerecorded backing - and lead - vocals, but do you see them crucified in the media?

I think you should worry more about these poor girls that are being exploited by fat white male executives who hope to cash in on their "talent's" youth and good looks; as well as wasting American's cash on crap.

What's wrong with being authentic? Why should we as a society settle for less? There are many women in the music industry who write their own music and lyrics. Some of it might not be great, but at least it is their own.

[Stine]

Lindsay Boobies Lohan -

anyone see her JANE photos/interview. Lordy. Those bobblies were pokin' my eyes out!

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by patio


I'll just take both of them with me and they will never have to sing again. . . except for me. muhahahahaha

Are you gonna share? pleeeeeaaasseeeeeee? :(

[ms. chevious]

well, as far as exploitation goes, capitalist production is inherentely and necessarily exploitative, so those starlets are just making lots more $$ being exploited than me or most other people.

and as far as "creativity" and "authenticity" go, my main point was that these categories, and our society's aesthetic values in general, have developed in a context of white heterosexist patriarcal privilege. ergo, it ain't no coincidence that the characteristics we attribute to "true artists" happen to be those same characteristics we associate with straight white bourgeoise men and the culturla products made by and for them. even now, there are people who claim that artistic creativity is a man's substitute for not being able to have babies. furthermore, these notions of creativity have developed out of notions of paternity (i.e., artists create, just like god the father created humans, etc). "authenticity" assumes that there is some stable, fixed identity to be "true" to; it totally ignores how our behaviors and actions constitute one as a "self". our society compounds its devaluation of teenage girls by devaluing cultural products made by and for them. "rock" has always meant "dirty white men", and "pop" has always meant friviolous, trivial teenagers and gay men (e.g., the disco demolition in chicago in the late 70s. no surprise it's a bunch of white guys burning disco records). why can't behaviors society says girls should have also be seen as valuable?

i would suggest reading the nytimes' article "the rap against rockism" (it was in a few weeks ago, right after ashlee was on snl).

[Bronzetree]

ms. chievous,

I love you.

Bronzetree

[sleepingbeauty]

Originally posted by ms. chevious

and as far as "creativity" and "authenticity" go, my main point was that these categories, and our society's aesthetic values in general, have developed in a context of white heterosexist patriarcal privilege. ergo, it ain't no coincidence that the characteristics we attribute to "true artists" happen to be those same characteristics we associate with straight white bourgeoise men and the culturla products made by and for them. even now, there are people who claim that artistic creativity is a man's substitute for not being able to have babies. furthermore, these notions of creativity have developed out of notions of paternity (i.e., artists create, just like god the father created humans, etc). "authenticity" assumes that there is some stable, fixed identity to be "true" to; it totally ignores how our behaviors and actions constitute one as a "self". our society compounds its devaluation of teenage girls by devaluing cultural products made by and for them. "rock" has always meant "dirty white men", and "pop" has always meant friviolous, trivial teenagers and gay men (e.g., the disco demolition in chicago in the late 70s. no surprise it's a bunch of white guys burning disco records). why can't behaviors society says girls should have also be seen as valuable?



I see what you are saying.

[postfeminist]

what i am wondering is why everything has to be crossover?

ashlee simspon=sib of someone already famous
lindsay lohan=actress
hilary duff=actress
paris hilton=i really don't know why she's famous

why can't these young women be either an actress or a musician? they clearly aren't gifted at both, so just do one or the other.

all of the plastic surgery, boob jobs, sexualizing young girls that comes into play w/ this group of people is more problematic for me...

if julia roberts puts out a shitty pop record, i'll freak out.

[Pretend Girl]

I still don't understand why we even give a shit. I mean I think the average music consumer likes crappy stuff, but that's not exactly my problem either. So why does it matter if they lip synch? You're not buying the record anyway... unless of course you think constant Internet bitching is going to make the general public suddenly realize that there are better places they could spend their money.

[JSpaceman]

Originally posted by postfeminist

why can't these young women be either an actress or a musician? they clearly aren't gifted at bothOr some would argue they're not gifted at EITHER... ;)

[Pretend Girl]

Originally posted by postfeminist
what i am wondering is why everything has to be crossover?

ashlee simspon=sib of someone already famous
lindsay lohan=actress
hilary duff=actress
paris hilton=i really don't know why she's famous

why can't these young women be either an actress or a musician? they clearly aren't gifted at both, so just do one or the other.

all of the plastic surgery, boob jobs, sexualizing young girls that comes into play w/ this group of people is more problematic for me...

if julia roberts puts out a shitty pop record, i'll freak out.

because they can. it makes them loads of money, and the general consensus from pretty much every star is that it's really fun. and really, it's not even their fault for trying because America is willing to make them popular.

I'd do something I wasn't very good at too if it made me a multi-millionaire and millions of people adore me.

[JSpaceman]

Originally posted by Pretend Girl

if it made me a multi-millionaire and millions of people adore me. Well one out of the two isn't bad, is it? :)

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Originally posted by postfeminist
why can't these young women be either an actress or a musician? they clearly aren't gifted at both, so just do one or the other.


That's why i don't like musical theater. Acting and singing at the same time?! Just pick one!


Anyway, the Milli Vanilla comparison doesn't work, because most people thought they had some talent before they were exposed as frauds, whereas in this case....
:p

[Nellie Bly]

Originally posted by postfeminist
paris hilton=i really don't know why she's famous

Because she's an attention whore, ever notice how she never looks at the person who's interviewing her? She always makes eyes at the camera. And she's someone new to look at, it's the shiny object theory applied to the society pages. I hope her "album" tanks faster than gili (sp?).

[Bronzetree]

Paris Hilton is famous because she's rich, people think she's pretty (not me), and she sucked her boyfriend's cock in a video he recorded then later sold all over the place for millions. Put that inane fucking show she was on with Nicole Richie on top of all that and you've got yourself a celebrity.

Why do indie kids care? I mean, those people annoy the shit out of me as much as the next person (not Lindsay Lohan, though, she has acting potential, and she'll be smokin' hot here in a couple years when she's legal and I don't have to feel like a dirty old man for thinking so - I do, however, have little desire to hear her sing). Big damn deal. As PG said, all this bitching on the internet isn't gonna change it. Let 'em lip-synch. Let 'em record multi-platinum albums for all I care. I ain't buying it, and neither are you. Let the sheep who are wallow in the doldrums of mediocrity, while we hoard all the cool shit for ourselves.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Originally posted by Bronzetree
I ain't buying it, and neither are you. Let the sheep who are wallow in the doldrums of mediocrity, while we hoard all the cool shit for ourselves.

you are dead wrong Bronzetree.
It's our job to educate the masses!

[postfeminist]

re musical theater: i hate it too. :D

[yoshomon]

ms. chevious is awesome.

[ms. chevious]

aaw, gosh thanks yosh, bt, and frost. i just call 'em as i see 'em.

[Crispin]

Originally posted by postfeminist

if julia roberts puts out a shitty pop record, i'll freak out.

Julia is a little old for that. But her niece (http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_1197643.html?menu=entertainment.celebrities) isnt't.

[postfeminist]

holy crap, crispin...where did you find that randomness?

[yvette7ica]

Originally posted by Bronzetree
Why do indie kids care? I mean, those people annoy the shit out of me as much as the next person (not Lindsay Lohan, though, she has acting potential, and she'll be smokin' hot here in a couple years when she's legal and I don't have to feel like a dirty old man for thinking so - I do, however, have little desire to hear her sing). Big damn deal. As PG said, all this bitching on the internet isn't gonna change it. Let 'em lip-synch. Let 'em record multi-platinum albums for all I care. I ain't buying it, and neither are you. Let the sheep who are wallow in the doldrums of mediocrity, while we hoard all the cool shit for ourselves.

BT, did you ever think of how these hypersexed lip-synching marketing tools have an effect on kids? I think some people have brought up some good points that can't be classified as just bitching. You pretty much pinpointed the problem. She makes great eye candy so who gives a shit. You don't buy it so why should it matter the impact that these barely legal sex kittens with little respectable talent have on society.

[ms. chevious]

is sex bad? is being sexy bad?

i dunno, but the whole "sexy women = bad" equation seems a bit...well, like the whole "socrates is one ugly mo-fo, but damn he's smarter than anyone else" schtick. translation: western thought traditionally identifies females/femininity with embodiment, which is then thought to be mutually exclusive or opposed to intellectual facility (which, golly jeepers, is associated with masculinity). ergo, physical beauty and athleticism are seen to indicate a lack of intelligence, and because they are seen as the opposite of the mind/intellect/soul, they are viewed as bad, unvaluable, tempting, evil, etc. (e.g., the whole xtian "deny the flesh, save the soul" thing).

i'd hope that kids learned to be comfortable with their bodies and with expressing their sexuality. then maybe the world would have fewer fucked up relationships and individuals.

[yvette7ica]

Originally posted by ms. chevious
is sex bad? is being sexy bad?

When it's the oversexualization of preteen and teenage girls I think it is bad. When they are marketed as sexual objects and viewed as sexual objects primarily above anything else, that is bad. It touches on what you were saying about the devaluation of preteen and teenage girls.

i'd hope that kids learned to be comfortable with their bodies and with expressing their sexuality. then maybe the world would have fewer fucked up relationships and individuals.

I agree. However, I think that some of the unrealistic physical ideals that are imposed on women have a lot to do with a young girl's body image and expressing their sexuality which are perpetuated by such starlets as Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan.

[Bronzetree]

I haven't seen Lindsay do anything overtly sexual, though I confess my knowledge of her is limited to Mean Girls and a smattering of other teen movies. Paris Hilton, well, she's a model and was recorded having sex with her boyfriend. No argument there.

The problem is, and I'm gonna sound like Due here, if people would stop placing such a horrible stigma on sex, it'd stop being a big deal. Yeah, I think it's kinda sleazy to market teenage girls as sex objects, and that may have negative effects on kids who look up to them, but it's also the parents' responsibility to show their kids the realities.

[postfeminist]

i'm w/ yvette on this one.

children aren't supposed to be sexy. i remember going into old navy a couple of years ago when my then-roommate worked there. they had plether skirts & pants for little girls.

wtf?

i have no problem with helping children develop healthy self-esteem & educating them about sex & sexuality, i just don't think people who aren't old enough to drive a car should be trying to look sexy. ya dig?

[yoshomon]

There is a really interesting book about feminist perspectives on sex and sexuality called Jane Sexes It Up. There's an essay in it about sexuality amongst pre-teen girls. The author remembers being very sexual and experimenting sexually with other girls a lot when she was a girl.

It's dangerous to say that children are not sexual because oftentimes they are, and there isn't anything wrong with this. The problem is when folks are catering child sexuality to adults.

[Pretend Girl]

Originally posted by Bronzetree
The problem is, and I'm gonna sound like Due here, if people would stop placing such a horrible stigma on sex, it'd stop being a big deal. Yeah, I think it's kinda sleazy to market teenage girls as sex objects, and that may have negative effects on kids who look up to them, but it's also the parents' responsibility to show their kids the realities.

bingo.

[yvette7ica]

Originally posted by yoshomon
The problem is when folks are catering child sexuality to adults.

Or adult/sex industry sexuality to kids.

I'm don't think children should be shielded from learning about sex or sexuality, but the sexuality that is being displayed to them through the media is not very healthy nor realistic, IMO.

[yoshomon]

Originally posted by yvette7ica
Or adult/sex industry sexuality to kids.

I'm don't think children should be shielded from learning about sex or sexuality, but the sexuality that is being displayed to them through the media is not very healthy nor realistic, IMO.

Agreed. I wish there was sex-positive, gender equal erotica for kids.

[Bronzetree]

Originally posted by Frost
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/2555/lindsayenter3ip.png

I stand corrected.

[postfeminist]

erotica for kids? how old are you talking, yosh?

[purple_octopus]

Originally posted by postfeminist
erotica for kids? how old are you talking, yosh?

My thoughts exactly.

Are we talking 17-18? When I was 17-18, I loved Hustler Barely Legal. I was looking at girls my own age. Frankly, at that age, looking at someone pushing thirty was a bit hard to stomach. Now that I'm 26, Hustler Barely Legal seems a bit, well... perverted. It just doesn't seem right looking at a kid naked. Regular Hustler, on the other hand, is A-OK.

If that's what yoshomon meant, then I get it. If we're talking 14 year olds, then I don't get it.

[yoshomon]

At the moment, 15-17 year old kids are looking at creepy patriarchal pornography. I wish there was a sex-postitive/gender-equal alternative.

[purple_octopus]

Originally posted by classicgrrl


bet you weren't.

you were looking at airbrushed facets of the white, male, imagination designed to make money.

unless you are around age 45 or upwards now. Then, you were probably indeed looking at "girls" your own age albeit ones that only comprise about .02% of the population.

:D





(I love shit like this)

It may have been a male fantasy, but it worked for me too. :D (Damn! I can't believe those white men got my money!) I did prefer real girls, though (still do, although monogomy precludes me from enjoying them). But hey, if you're going to fantasize, why not do it right? Airbrush is fine. I wish I could airbrush my ass sometimes. I don't care for the fake boobs, though. Real ones are so much better. At least I can look in the mirror anytime I want to see those.

[Crispin]

Originally posted by classicgrrl
someone please give that girl something to eat.

I guess you haven't seen the pics of her romping around in a bikini. The best way to put it is, she's a curvy girl. And personally I think that's a good thing.

[JSpaceman]

Sadly enough, it all depends on the photographer... se la vie (sp?)

[yvette7ica]

Originally posted by JSpaceman
Sadly enough, it all depends on the photographer... se la vie (sp?)

It also depends on the airbrushing. Kate Winslet is a "curvy" gal, and they usually airbrush the hell out of her in magazines.

[classicgrrl]

Originally posted by JSpaceman
Sadly enough, it all depends on the photographer... se la vie (sp?)

spelled c'est la vie spacey. ;)

it translates into such is life or this is life or literally this is the life.

[Homsar]

As an official member of the Young'uns of Today, I'd like to have my say.

Lindsey Lohan definitely gets enough to eat.

And has our 18-is-THE-limit-for-"adult"-stuff society made us forget that people become sexual at puberty? For a lot of people, that ends before 16! Why should that sexual aspect of us be subdued until we're "legal?" What's so important about being 18 as opposed to 17? Sure there's the experience part of it, but if we do nothing, how are we supposed to get experience?

I think a more appropriate benchmark for sexuality should be maturity. Everyone is different, so for each person maturity would come at a different time.

If people know about the responsibilities and possibilities of sex, I see no reason why they should be held back as they are now.

And who else ever experienced a regrettable close-age requirement (too old, too young)?

[postfeminist]

the problem with using maturity as a benchmark, as a line between illegal & legal, youth & adult, is that it's subjective. when a number is chosen, it's to protect those who are not as mature as the others. i know this sounds oversimplified, but i feel like i've had this argument a thousand times.

one sixteen year old woman may be way more mature than a 22 year old woman, and might be better equipt for sexual and emotional intimacy, but the idea is that MOST 16 year olds are not. therefore, we choose an age and make that the line.

[turdferguson]

Just a quick message to Ashlee and the like


Your "music" will be much more appreciated if you die. You
will be seen as the genius your agent tells you that you are.
Just look at Kurt Cobain and think about how much better
regarded Courtney Love would be if she had followed suit.
Just try and keep that in the back of your mind at least until
you get yourself a 12 gauge chinrest. Remember don't
chicken out - you saw what that did for Mariah Carey's
career. Don't half ass it!

[postfeminist]

shit, if that wasn't so long, it might have to become my new sig!

[Homsar]

Originally posted by turdferguson
Just a quick message to Ashlee and the like


Your "music" will be much more appreciated if you die. You
will be seen as the genius your agent tells you that you are.
Just look at Kurt Cobain and think about how much better
regarded Courtney Love would be if she had followed suit.
Just try and keep that in the back of your mind at least until
you get yourself a 12 gauge chinrest. Remember don't
chicken out - you saw what that did for Mariah Carey's
career. Don't half ass it!

:eek:
harsh.

[mobyoctopad]

Originally posted by Frost
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/2555/lindsayenter3ip.png

This pic must be airbrushed or else she is wearing body makeup b/c she is a very freckly girl. And I agree with Homsar, she is curvy, there's no question. There must've been some kind of magic like this (http://homepage.mac.com/gapodaca/digital/bikini/index.html) going on.

[postfeminist]

whoa! that digital retouching is trippy...

[mobyoctopad]

Tell me about it! Whenever I find myself oogling at magazine covers, I think about that shit.

[yvette7ica]

Thanks for posting that mobyoctopad!

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Hilarious CNN interview! (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/12/14/celeb.q.a.lohan.ap/index.html)

HIGHLIGHTS:

Q: Is it hard for you to find some middle ground because little girls look up to you and guys think you're hot?
LOHAN: Girls my age dress so much raunchier than I'd ever imagine myself dressing.

See photo above. Do you know girls who dress like that?

Q: Do you want to go to school?
LOHAN: People go to college to find who they are as a person and find what they want to do in life, and I kind of already know that so it would be like I'd be taking a step back or something.

Oh, and I bet they're like, so into learning an' stuff, too.

[ahart2001]

Originally posted by Bronzetree


I stand corrected.

Not sure if I should attempt to stand up at the present moment ;)

[chicodaman]

Originally posted by Bronzetree


I stand corrected.

Correct, or erect? :)

[ahart2001]

Well of course I stand erect, I am a human, am I not? Do I walk around on all fours?

"Do I look like a cat to toy? Do I jump around from tree to tree all nimbly-pimbly like? Do I eat mice?!"

[Bronzetree]

Originally posted by chicodaman
Correct, or erect? :)

A little of both, but I feel dirty about it.

[Dick Cheney]

Lindsay Lohan has a nice rack.

At least that's what my daughter says.

I can't help but wonder though: What is so nice about her coat rack?

[The Sheck]

I've always found it a bit humorous that there's such an uproar made over someone singing/not singing when no one gives a second thought about that 95% of the albums (or higher) are made with ProTools, something that enables people to use fake instrumentation, fake drums, etc. Certainly, not being able to play an instrument correctly or without computer enhancement is as deceiving as the Milli Vanillis of the world.

There's a bit of irony also in the amount of money that companies spend trying to make stars, yet when it comes to the making of the format that will hype said stars, all corners are cut. It's like claiming you've found the next Picasso, but you only allow him to put his signature in the corner or add the last hint of color after someone else is done painting it. Eventually people will catch on (if they haven't already). Do people actually expect a Paris Hilton album to sell 4 million copies? How does making a rather lame porno transfer into higher record sales? Give us some credit...

[ahart2001]

Man, I want Lohan . . . I must figure out how to meet and then woo her. If you all help me, I will make sure she never sings again.

[supra-genius]

Originally posted by ahart2001
Man, I want Lohan . . . I must figure out how to meet and then woo her. If you all help me, I will make sure she never sings again.

Too bad for you, news reports that she was in talks with playboy to do a layout till disney stepped in and showed her the clause in their contract with her that forbids her from doing nudes....

[sarahbell]

Originally posted by postfeminist
what i am wondering is why everything has to be crossover?

ashlee simspon=sib of someone already famous
lindsay lohan=actress
hilary duff=actress
paris hilton=i really don't know why she's famous

why can't these young women be either an actress or a musician? they clearly aren't gifted at both, so just do one or the other.

all of the plastic surgery, boob jobs, sexualizing young girls that comes into play w/ this group of people is more problematic for me...

if julia roberts puts out a shitty pop record, i'll freak out.

What burns me is that any Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Keanu Reeves or Russell Crowe can easily find a record company to put their music on the shelves. Radio stations will play it, atleast once, because they're famous. Meanwhile, thousands more men & women with unbelieveable natural talent can't even get their demo tapes in the door.

Instead of stars producing their own albums ~ which generally turn into little more than vanity side projects ~ why not help aspiring musicians by starting a record label or nurturing aspiring artists with grants, studio time, and the marketing power of a star's endorsement?

Also, on the subject of whether our definition of creativity or originality is too narrow or male-defined. We could talk in loops about that one. Historically, the patriarchal legacies of American culture have been and will continue to be an issue.

But at what point are the women themselves responsible for how their work is perceived? At what point are they the keepers of their own talent, or lack therof?

[Pretend Girl]

Originally posted by sarahbell


What burns me is that any Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Keanu Reeves or Russell Crowe can easily find a record company to put their music on the shelves. Radio stations will play it, atleast once, because they're famous. Meanwhile, thousands more men & women with unbelieveable natural talent can't even get their demo tapes in the door.



aaaand again, it's because people listen to it. record companies and corporate radio are just businesses, doing what makes them a buck. if the public didn't demand it, record companies wouldn't sign it, radio stations wouldn't play it.

[postfeminist]

sarah, i think you've got a great idea w/ stars starting or promoting labels.

except that it doesn't always work. i think the most publicity that ron artest's artists have received was due to the fighting...

i'm not sitting here jacking off over my love of independent music, but i do get insulted by a lot of the pappy crap out there...

maybe that's why i love High Fidelity so much (movie & the book). i can mentally masturbate w/ the best of 'em, but it's easier to do it in the privacy of my own home, and around here.... in offline life i'm surrounded (with the exception of mr. pf and a few friends) by idiots who like shite.

[c-lando]

Originally posted by JSpaceman
Or some would argue they're not gifted at EITHER... ;) I actually LOVED Lindsay Lohan in the remakes of THE PARENT TRAP and FREAKY FRIDAY. Before she became famous as a party girl with big boobs, I really thought she was a terrific young actress. Not sure why she started hanging out with the Hiltons and became famous for her relationships and breasts. I wish she'd shun the fast-cash that comes with a record deal like this and focus on her acting instead.

[ahart2001]

According to Lohan, the whole playboy thing was made up. The reports were that SHE asked Playboy if she could do a shoot. She has denied this every time it came up in an interview. I mean who goes to Playboy and asks to do a shoot? They usually come to you, unless you are trying out to get in. Either way, she is still hot, and yeah . . .

[LunaSea]

Originally posted by mobyoctopad

There must've been some kind of magic like this (http://homepage.mac.com/gapodaca/digital/bikini/index.html) going on.
This is amazing. Thanks again for posting it.

[c-lando]

http://www.lohanfreestyle.com/

[Homsar]

Originally posted by c-lando
http://www.lohanfreestyle.com/

Wow. A very nice thing.
:D





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