I want to find this kid so I can give him a big hug

[monkey neck]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/28/child.stabbed.ap/index.html

Be prepared to be sad when you read this.

[JSpaceman]

God, that is so fucking wrong... sick. What a horrible thing for a kid to go through... :(

[Rafe]

Bloody hell. You hug him, I'll find his Dad and endeavour to give him a good kicking. Poor child. Some people are unbelievably horrible, aren't they?

[REMgirl]

When I read stories like this, I am stunned and saddened beyond tears.

As a parent, I can't imagine hurting any child, least of all my own. My heart goes out to that little boy, and I hope he finds a safe place to grow up.

As for the father, well, there's no punishment painful enough.

[onest2.0]

whoa :eek:

sick...and kinda creepy.

[bjk15]

:( aaahhh, whyyyyy

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by Rafe
Bloody hell. You hug him, I'll find his Dad and endeavour to give him a good kicking.no, this requires an xecution, not a kickin.

Kill him quick, or slo, doesn't mattr as long as he's off the planet.Originally posted by ianalex20
I blame Bush!!!wtg i20, wtFg

[postfeminist]

but inspiring that the kid was able to keep his wits well enough to get help... but very sad that he couldn't help his mom...

[JSpaceman]

Originally posted by ianalex20 I blame Bush!!!Um, did you actually post this on this thread? Because if so, my lack of respect for you has reached an all-time high. Seriously, that's so inappropriate, as I'd hope anybody would realize. :rolleyes: :( :rolleyes: :(

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by JSpaceman
Um, did you actually post this on this thread? Because if so, my lack of respect for you has reached an all-time high. Seriously, that's so inappropriate, as I'd hope anybody would realize. :rolleyes: :( :rolleyes: :( yes he did & he deleted it after I quoted it. But it remains on forever burnd into this thread.

[Stine]

That was the first news story I read this morning - It made me shiver and I wanted to hug the kid too!

[the happy prole]

From early reports, the father was on meth but had no history of prior violence. Apparently he was "hearing voices."

I'm sure the meth didn't help but it seems very possible he was self-medicating a pre-existing mental condition. If that's the situation, I don't see what good executing him does, either for the son or for society.

[Duemellon]

sorry, tryin to kill (actually succeedin) while on drugs (drugs u chose to take) makes u more responsibl than evah.

Kill him.

[noonan]

I may not be able to hug that kid, but I'll probably be hugging mine a bit tighter today.

[DogStarMan]

Originally posted by Duemellon
sorry, tryin to kill (actually succeedin) while on drugs (drugs u chose to take) makes u more responsibl than evah.

Kill him.
It kills me how you can argue that child molesters and predators have the right to rehabilitation and then you turn around and say something like this. Not that I agree on your first point, nor do I disagree with your second.

I'll bet the kid was in deep shock. The dad should have his extremities removed with a rusty hacksaw, be sprinkled with copious amounts of sea salt and then toss whatever's left in the landfill for the rats to feed on.

[the happy prole]

Because killing to Duemellon is way worse than raping. I can dig that. I think a lot of people would rather be raped than killed.

I'm not sure whatall was going on in this dude's head. But if it is a result of drugs, the problem can be solved by getting him clean-- or at least putting him in prison where (theoretically anyway) he can't get meth. IF this is an isolated incident then this guy isn't a danger to society at large the way a serial criminal or child predator is.

Having said all that, I never claimed this guy wasn't responsible for his actions. I'm simply stating that I don't think killing him is gonna prevent other crazy people from killing their wives and kids. And I'm not sure if the kid will feel better if his dad gets executed or actually be further traumatized, and that would be my first priority.

It's not like I have that much sympathy for the guy. If it makes everyone feel better if he gets executed then go for it. It doesn't do much for me personally but I have whacked out views on who should get the death penalty.

[JSpaceman]

If you murder your son's mother in front of him and then in turn try to kill your own innocent son, I don't think there should even be a chance in hell that you should ever walk the streets again. I really can't think of a much worse crime than that... :(

[azinser81]

People frighten me. I could never see myself doing this to my son no matter how terrible my life is. I could also never see myself doing this to the women that I am married to.

I will join in the ass kickin'

[azinser81]

Originally posted by JSpaceman
If you murder your son's mother in front of him and then in turn try to kill your own innocent son, I don't think there should even be a chance in hell that you should ever walk the streets again. I really can't think of a much worse crime than that... :(

The worst part is that the man is saying that he is innocent. BullShit man. That is a worse crime. When you can't even admit to doing the act.

[tobedawg]

Reading this story just made my whole day a little darker.. Poor kid..

The "father" is a fucking psychopath!!

[the happy prole]

I can't really hold that against him. I'm sure he's taking the advice of his attorney. And Sutko's attorney has to plead innocent if he wants to use an insanity defense.

Given the facts of the case, the possibility of insanity at least deserves some looking into. Also, all the facts of the case aren't out. It's possible-- unlikely but possible-- that the kid in his shock got the facts wrong and the father in his impaired mental state admitted to a crime he didn't commit.

If I'm Sutko's lawyer I wouldn't be honoring my responsibility to my client or society at large if I didn't advise him very, very strongly to plead innocent. He can always change his plea later.

[keyst2891]

A couple things this article and subsequent posts did to me:

1. Made me rethink my status against the death penalty

2. Made me sick to my stomach for that poor kid

2. Made me realize Ianalex is a clueless bastard

3. Finally helped me understand something Due Said

4. Made me want to have a stiff drink and have a conversation with God.

OH... Also


Originally posted by azinser81
I could also never see myself doing this to the women that I am married to.

Women? I think I need an explanation

[Duemellon]

I'm/w tHP on the approach to defense.

I'm not for xecutin him to prevent othrs from doin it or as vengence, but b/c there is no way a person like that can hav a place in our society. He got high & then killed someone. He was 1st of irresponsibl enuf to get lit up then, when lit up, did that.

Kill 'em.

And, for the rec DSM, it kills me how u can say that child molestors deserve to die but drug-induced child murders should hav the right to rehabilitation.

... or r u not sayin that & u really mean they both should die?

[the happy prole]

The dad should have his extremities removed with a rusty hacksaw, be sprinkled with copious amounts of sea salt and then toss whatever's left in the landfill for the rats to feed on.

I think it's pretty clear how DSM feels about this particular issue.

[DogStarMan]

Originally posted by Duemellon
... or r u not sayin that & u really mean they both should die?
Actually, yes.

[azinser81]

Originally posted by keyst2891


OH... Also

Women? I think I need an explanation

Sorry if alittle confusion happened.

If I was married I could never see myself killing my wife. I'm supposed to love this women not want to kill her.

Does that make more sense??

[Crispin]

If I was married I could never see myself killing my wife. I'm supposed to love this women not want to kill her.

Does that make more sense??

Not really. Are you Mormon?

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by DogStarMan
Actually, yes. & that is where we disagree.

U can recover from abuse, neglect, & such, but u can't come back from bein dead.

[Crispin]

U can recover from abuse, neglect, & such, but u can't come back from bein dead.

Yes you can, but it doesn't mean you're the same person. I'm not sure which is worse, a child dying or their innocence being violently stolen from them this way.

Chalk me up in the 'they should die either way' column.

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by Crispin
Yes you can, but it doesn't mean you're the same person. I'm not sure which is worse, a child dying or their innocence being violently stolen from them this way.

Chalk me up in the 'they should die either way' column. see, back in my original statements, either now buried or the whole thread was deleted, I made the xact same ascertations as I am now, howevr, they were made as one giant lump (megapost) & instead of goin along/w the flow there were ppl who just short-circuited the whole thing &, instead of readin/digestin/framin when I said they were both bad they took it to mean I was sayin "ain't no thang" or "should b legal"...

so here we r again, xcept now that u'v (general) gotten the gist that I beleive murder is worse than abuse we can move to the next thing...

howevr, that would b hijackin this thread & if no one else is talkin about the original subject then I'll feel free to jump into it, howevr, if the original topic is still being discussd, I shant.