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Robert Goodman
27 Oct 2004, 06:33 AM
No surprise here...


Terrorists hope to defeat Bush through Iraq violence
By Borzou Daragahi
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 27, 2004
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20041027-121030-7792r

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BAGHDAD -- Leaders and supporters of the anti-U.S. insurgency say their attacks in recent weeks have a clear objective: The greater the violence, the greater the chances that President Bush will be defeated on Tuesday and the Americans will go home.
"If the U.S. Army suffered numerous humiliating losses, [Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John] Kerry would emerge as the superman of the American people," said Mohammad Amin Bashar, a leader of the Muslim Scholars Association, a hard-line clerical group that vocally supports the resistance.
Resistance leader Abu Jalal boasted that the mounting violence had already hurt Mr. Bush's chances.
"American elections and Iraq are linked tightly together," he told a Fallujah-based Iraqi reporter. "We've got to work to change the election, and we've done so. With our strikes, we've dragged Bush into the mud."
Mowafaq Al-Tai, a London-educated architect and intellectual, said different types of resistance fighters have different views of the U.S. election.
The most pro-Kerry, he said, are the former Saddam Hussein loyalists -- Ba'ath Party members and others who think Washington might scale back its ambitions for Iraq if Mr. Kerry wins, allowing them to re-enter civic life.
The most pro-Bush, he said, are the foreign extremists. "They prefer Bush, because he's a provocative figure, and the more they can push people to the extreme, the better for their case."
Abu Jalal, answering questions submitted to him through the Iraqi journalist, devised a simple formula for how his group's attacks on American soldiers draw votes from Mr. Bush.
"They say there are 1,100 dead soldiers. That means 1,100 families hold grudges against Bush and hate him. There are 6,000 families whose sons were injured who hate Bush and will not re-elect him."
But even within the resistance, not all agree that removing Mr. Bush from office would make a difference.
"The nation of infidels is one, and Bush and Kerry are two faces of the same coin," said Abu Obeida, nom de guerre of a leader of Fallujah's al-Noor Jihadi regiment. "What is taken by force will be returned only by force, and we don't care what the results of the elections are."
Among ordinary Iraqis interested only in a return to peace and stability, there is far less clarity about what the American election might bring. Many, like 35-year-old bank branch manager Sahar Mahmoud, say they are bewildered by media reports about the nuances of polling, swing states and attack ads.
"It's a very big political game, and something that we are very far from," he said. "We are very tired people, and we're just emerging from a big crisis. So we can't imagine what other people are going through."
Zeydoon Mohamad Jassem Najar, a biology student at Baghdad University, simply shakes his head as the U.S. politicians argue over his country's fate.
"It's like everybody is looking out for their own interests and nobody is looking for the Iraqi people's interests," he said. "It's like a game of personal interests between Bush and the other guy."
Mr. Bashar, a professor at Baghdad's Islamic University, said he and many of those who oppose the U.S. presence in Iraq were rooting for Mr. Kerry.
"I think if Kerry wins, he's going to try to get world support and United Nations involvement," he said during an interview at Baghdad's Um al-Qura mosque. "You'll see a different situation in Iraq if the United Nations is involved."
But Nazar Judi, a 41-year-old money trader who had his right hand cut off by Saddam Hussein's security forces nine years ago, is squarely in the Bush camp.
"I prefer Bush over the other guy because he knows Iraq well," said Mr. Judi, who received a new prosthetic hand from the U.S. Army and was flown to Washington to meet Mr. Bush in person. "I hope he wins his election because he wants to modernize Iraq."
A photograph of the American president shaking Mr. Judi's prosthetic hand hangs on the wall of a back room at his Khademiya office. In the front room, however, are portraits of Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the vehemently anti-U.S. Iranian cleric, and his successor, Ali Khamenei, the current theocratic ruler of Iran.

silvertone32
27 Oct 2004, 06:58 AM
It really doesnt matter who is the President. As long as we have a large presence in Iraq they will attack us. Unlike Bush I happen to know the insurgents are not all a bunch of Jihadists. They are your average work a day Iraqies. We were suprised at how many we killed or captured we had seen before in their non-insurgent roles. We have not turned the corner and we have not found an effective way to counter the insurgency short of killing everyone. This is the reality of life on the ground in Iraq.

onest2.0
27 Oct 2004, 08:28 AM
ahh...fresh from the RG wire.

markalot
27 Oct 2004, 10:38 AM
Bad title.

Insurgents are not the terrorists.

The terrorists are the al queda ass jacks who behead people and blow up cars. The insurgents fight americans and are against the occupation. I care what the insurgents think, I do not care what the terrorists think.

Pretend Girl
27 Oct 2004, 11:10 AM
Does anyone else see the major flaw in this?

I've seen all of these pictures and signs that have Osama pointing like Uncle Sam and it says "I want YOU to vote for Kerry"

So if the "terrorists" (like markalot says) want Bush out of office, then by God we should want him in! Thanks Washington Times!

Duemellon
27 Oct 2004, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by markalot
Insurgents are not the terrorists.

The terrorists are the al queda ass jacks who behead people and blow up cars. The insurgents fight americans and are against the occupation. I care what the insurgents think, I do not care what the terrorists think. quoted b/c it needs to b said repeatedly.

akip
27 Oct 2004, 11:47 AM
i can't f*ckin' find it, but not long ago i read an article about some intercepted al qaeda correspondence saying it would be better for bush to win the election because the leadership had figured out he's a fool.

dcXhc
27 Oct 2004, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by akip
i can't f*ckin' find it, but not long ago i read an article about some intercepted al qaeda correspondence saying it would be better for bush to win the election because the leadership had figured out he's a fool.

See.. the thing is that they wanted you to "intercept" that message so that you would think that they want Bush in, which would, of course, make you vote for Kerry, which is what they really wanted all along.

Crafty bastards.........

Duemellon
27 Oct 2004, 12:12 PM
at this point, b/c of what Kerry has been sayin, if there is a terrorist attack (dependin on severity) it will backfire against Bush.