conservative musicians??

[beezlebob]

Another thread was going way off topic so I decided to start this one.

I Googled for "conservative musicians" and the best I could come up with as far as a list was a post on a board:

Ted Nugent
Sammy Hagar
Wayne Newton
Toby Keith
Charlie Daniels
Loretta Lynn
C.C. DeVille (guitarist from Poison)
One of the Ramones (can't remember which)
James Hetfield

Thats pretty slim pickens.

I am thinking that whichever Ramone they are speaking of is dead since of the original 4, 3 are dead now.

I have heard Moby is conservative and Gene Simmons as well.

I am a liberal, and as a liberal I would like to know how conservative music listeners reconcile with all the mostly liberal artists that they like. Do you just ignore the words of the songs that contain political ideas?

You may ask, why should these folks be any more knowlegable on the subject that anyone else. Well, they are not, but my plumber and insurance agent, last time I checked do not have a large forum to speak their ideas to the masses. If I did, I certainly would.

So there are two questions here.

Can anyone add any conservative musicians to my list?

and

How do conservative music lovers reconcile with mostly liberal artists that they otherwise enjoy?

[JSpaceman]

And would you look at that- they pretty much all suck... but ianalex has some CD shopping to do...

[beezlebob]

Just to be clear, I don't want anyone to think that this thread was intended to be mean spirited. I just want some names and to be able understand this. :)

I do find it amusing that "Born in the USA" was used by Reagans people. Actually from that, I always assumed that Springsteen was conservative but it turns out that is not true at all.

[JSpaceman]

Yeah, I don't mean to be mean-spirited either, but look at that list... Toby Keith? Ted Nugent? C.C. Deville? Ack. I'll bet David Allen Coe is on that list, too... double ack.

[Jake_Barnes]

I've read that Godsmack is conservative.

[mike]

Originally posted by beezlebob

One of the Ramones (can't remember which)

Johnny, who passed away Weds.

I have heard Moby is conservative

I think upon a quick search, you'll find evidence to the contrary.

[Stine]

Moby? That surprises me...

[stevelargent]

Moby is definately not conservative is you read his blob--maybe because he is Christian he has been mistaken for conservative


Kinda on topic, I head laura Flynn Boyle is a Bushie.

[Wondertastic]

Originally posted by stevelargent
I head laura Flynn Boyle is a Bushie.

where are those pics???

oh you meant...

president.

nevermind.

<destroys thread>

[AngelV]

Other thread on conservative entertainers (http://msg.woxy.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18165)

[stevelargent]

The poet Dylan Thomas has an eloquent quote about how democratic (socialistic) ideals in society are a prerequisite for art, but I can't remember what it is.

[Urge26]

Andre 3000 is conservative (or so I hear).


oh ya and you have dc talk and third day as well :)

[markalot]

As a mostly conservative myself, I have no problem listening to 'liberal' artists or lyrics. I enjoy an well thought out song, and usually political songs have a lot of meaning.

Make love fuck war is a good example :)

[vivalamusica]

Originally posted by stevelargent
Moby is definately not conservative is you read his blob--maybe because he is Christian he has been mistaken for conservative



Moby has been heavily involved with MoveOn.org, and is one of Bush's biggest public critics. Definitely not a conservative there. I think people don't know what to make of him because he's a secular entertainer who's a vocal Christian. And a liberal.

[beezlebob]

Originally posted by JSpaceman
Yeah, I don't mean to be mean-spirited either, but look at that list... Toby Keith? Ted Nugent? C.C. Deville? Ack. I'll bet David Allen Coe is on that list, too... double ack.

That was not directed at you, I just wanted to make my intentions clear :)

[vivalamusica]

Originally posted by beezlebob


I do find it amusing that "Born in the USA" was used by Reagans people. Actually from that, I always assumed that Springsteen was conservative but it turns out that is not true at all.

"Born in the USA" is one of those songs that was horribly misunderstood (and misused) by politicians. Not a conservative song. And Springsteen's definitely not a conservative.

[tobedawg]

You're forgetting Alice Cooper and Gene Simmons is definately a Bush supporter..

Also Jessica Simpson

[beezlebob]

ok so as far as good bands we have a deceased member of the Ramones. This is a great list! ;)

[dcXhc]

Why wouldn't a conservative enjoy music made by a liberal. Do all of you only enjoy art made by people who think like you?

Travis Morrisson is conservative. Will you all have to throw away your D. Plan CDs?

Should all the white folk stop listening to music made by blacks?

[beezlebob]

Originally posted by dcXhc
Why wouldn't a conservative enjoy music made by a liberal. Do all of you only enjoy art made by people who think like you?

Travis Morrisson is conservative. Will you all have to throw away your D. Plan CDs?

Should all the white folk stop listening to music made by blacks?

Well if the music contained liberal ideas like U2, REM and Billy Bragg, Springsteen I would think not, these are bands that are clear in their ideals that would probably conflict with your conservative worldview.

I don't listen to gangsta rap because I do not like the message. Or skinhead harcore. Even if the music is good I can't help but think i am supporting their causes by buying their CD's.

[ianalex20]

Like any of these bands are worth a damn!!

· Pearl Jam - The eighties called, grunge sucked then too

· bruce Springsteen

· R.E.M. - never rocked

· Dave Matthews - Fatter then Micheal Moore

· Jurassic 5 - Nevar even heard of em

· Dixie Chicks - No comment required

· Death Cab for Cutie - Who???

· James Taylor - Isn't he dead?

· Ben Harper - Elton's AE???

· My Morning Jacket - My Morning Crap

· Jackson Browne - This "dude" is really a "chick"

· Babyface - Who??

· Bonnie Raitt

· John Fogerty - Older than the Pope

· Keb' Mo' - Do what???

· Bright Eyes - Nevar even heard of em either

· John Mellencamp

· Eddie Vedder = Heroin addict and complete tool

[vivalamusica]

Originally posted by dcXhc
Why wouldn't a conservative enjoy music made by a liberal. Do all of you only enjoy art made by people who think like you?

Travis Morrisson is conservative. Will you all have to throw away your D. Plan CDs?

Should all the white folk stop listening to music made by blacks?

I don't have a problem listening to music made by conservatives, unless the songs themselves are bashing me over the head with conservative ideas, which usually isn't the case.

I think the real question here is why such a large percentage of musicians (at least musicians considered relevant on this board) seem to be liberal. Or creative types in general - you could say the same for actors, directors... Is there a psychological/sociological reason for this? Is it political (artists with the right political leanings/connections rise to the top in the entertainment industry)? Or is it just a false perception?

I don't have any strong opinions on this yet - just curious.

[postfeminist]

yeah, gene simmons is a fucking maniac.

[dcXhc]

Well, put me down as someone that thinks this is a really stupid question.

I'm conservative. I love Billy Bragg. I don't see any contradiction.

If somebody wants to use their creative energies to get a message across -- more power to them. The fact that the message may not be the same message that I would personally choose to send does not detract from the beauty of the art, in my opinion.

[ianalex20]

Originally posted by postfeminist
yeah, gene simmons is a fucking maniac.

Anybody who can sleep with 5000+ women is ok in my book ;)

[Emperor Wog]

Those are some nice right-wing "Christian values" you have.

[beezlebob]

Originally posted by vivalamusica


I don't have a problem listening to music made by conservatives, unless the songs themselves are bashing me over the head with conservative ideas, which usually isn't the case.

I'm not sure if I would or not, No one can really come up with any conservative musicians that have done anything worthwhile in the last 20 years.And the ones that are getting mentioned, the style of music itself wasn't my bag either.

[vivalamusica]

Originally posted by ianalex20
Like any of these bands are worth a damn!!

...(edited incoherent rambling)...



Ummm, you do realize that www.woxy.com is a modern rock internet radio stream, right? That music is the main thing this site is organized around?

I won't fault you for not having heard of some of these bands (everybody's gotta start learning somewhere), though I have to disagree with your tastes where you slammed the others. But you might want to click that "Listen" link on the front page once in a while, maybe find out what this place is all about.

[beezlebob]

Originally posted by dcXhc
Well, put me down as someone that thinks this is a really stupid question.

ok noted.

But it still puzzles me how someone can listen to the lyrics of a Socialist like Billy Bragg or Joe Strummer and be a fan if you are the polar opposite politically to me thats a big part of the sound of these artists.

[Santos-Dumont]

I was just reading a magazine called under the radar this wknd. and they did an interview with Interpol and a bunch of other cool bands like muse, and ted leo and the rxs. Basically the whole focus of the issue was the recent uptick in music and art to express a political stance, the focus being the the vote for change tour and the "future soundtrack of america" cd. It was a pretty cool issue and I might go buy it. Anyway the reason im posting about this is one of the band members made a statement
along the lines of "whenever a countries leadership changes and the positions they hold are established, the arts and entertainment community tends to swing the opposite direction."

I thought it was pretty insightful.

I'll try to find the exact quote and band. The quotation marks are just for effect.

[dcXhc]

I like Lola by the Kinks, but I don't desire trannies.

I like Lust for Life by Iggy, but I'm not a junkie.

I could find a thousand more examples.

[stevelargent]

Originally posted by vivalamusica


I don't have a problem listening to music made by conservatives, unless the songs themselves are bashing me over the head with conservative ideas, which usually isn't the case.

I think the real question here is why such a large percentage of musicians (at least musicians considered relevant on this board) seem to be liberal. Or creative types in general - you could say the same for actors, directors... Is there a psychological/sociological reason for this? Is it political (artists with the right political leanings/connections rise to the top in the entertainment industry)? Or is it just a false perception?

I don't have any strong opinions on this yet - just curious.

more education, more liberal, a social trend...fact.

[beezlebob]

Originally posted by dcXhc
I like Lola by the Kinks, but I don't desire trannies.

I like Lust for Life by Iggy, but I'm not a junkie.

I could find a thousand more examples.

But I am talking about bands and artists that make it a point to spell out their leftist beliefs in any number of songs.

the last time I checked this is not what most of these songs by The Kinks and Iggy Pop are about and they don't go around promoting it like Bono, John Lennon, Billy Bragg, Joe Strummer, Michael Stipe, Springsteen and so on.

The Kinks are not promoting transvestites in that song, its just a song about a transvestite.

I am not sure that most people even understand the lyrics to Lust For Life or what it is about anyway. It is being used for a cruise ship ad. Plus I can sympathize with a junkie because I understand the cycle of pain and addiction. I believe it is a song about getting off heroin too, not promoting heroin

[Seattle93]

Originally posted by beezlebob
Toby Keith

I actually read an article yesterday where he said he is a registered Democrat. His patriotism is often mistaken for jingoism and conservativism.

I still don't like his music and I still think he's a moron for making songs that promote hillbilly-ism and being a redneck.

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Urge26:

Andre 3000 is not a conservative. The rumor started when he was at the RNC for a project he was working on.

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ianalex20:

Despite your inflammatory remarks and baiting, I enjoy reading just about everything you post. I love watching the aftermath! Just one little pet peeve I have...

LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL!

"never" not "nevar"
"Michael" Moore not "Micheal" Moore

Also, you're posting on a message board for a station that plays half of those musicians you listed.

I'll sell you a clue if you can't find one on your own.

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beezlebob:

I see no problem in listening to music created by bands or artists that spell out their leftist/rightists beliefs even if their beliefs may be in contrast to my own. If it sounds good, I'm going to listen to it.

[ianalex20]

Sorry Seattle93,

This stuff comes to me so fast that I can't type as fast as I can think. One of the down falls of being a genius I guess:D

[akip]

most artists and musicians (aside from the c & w camp) are just not conservative by nature. they tend to challenge the status quo.

i'm not sure about classical musicians and painters, etc. don't know as many of them.

[SteelTown Boy]

Originally posted by akip
most artists and musicians (aside from the c & w camp) are just not conservative by nature. they tend to challenge the status quo.
[/B]

exactly,artists and musicians tend to question and challenge authority.

[spiderjones]

if i dont like what they have to say i just burn their cd's. protest them and call sean hannity

j.k

i dont give two fooks what a musician says. i'm right of center poltically but one of my fav bands is the clash.

[doctort13]

How about Tiffany?

[Smoker29]

But it still puzzles me how someone can listen to the lyrics of a Socialist like Billy Bragg or Joe Strummer and be a fan if you are the polar opposite politically to me thats a big part of the sound of these artists.

Like someone said before: "Sometimes you have to look past the artist to enjoy their art."

If I only bought music, movies, books, etc. by people who thought like me, I'd not only be a moron, but I'd have a pretty shitty collection.

[vivalamusica]

Originally posted by Smoker29
[b]
If I only bought music, movies, books, etc. by people who thought like me, I'd not only be a moron, but I'd have a pretty shitty collection.

If I did that, I'd only have stuff I made myself.:)

[tobedawg]

Vanilla Ice supports Bush/Cheney!! :D

[beezlebob]

Originally posted by tobedawg
Vanilla Ice supports Bush/Cheney!! :D

wow, that list keeps getting better and better. Even Bush is probably saying, "no really Ice, Kerry's got some ideas, why don't you check em out?"

[spackler]

BUMP...

From the National Review: (you need a subscription to see the whole list online, and the blogs that had copies up before have taken the list down)

50 top conservative rock songs:

Pandagon blog w/ partial list (http://pandagon.net/2006/05/21/50-top-conservative-rock-songs-subtitle-quit-calling-us-squares-you-beatniks/)

The Clash is conservative... The band that put out "Sandinista." What The Fuck?

[REMgirl]

I had to laugh the other day. On another forum I visit, one which is primarily middle-aged, conservative Republican white women, someone started a thread about the song "Please Mr President" by Pink. I've never heard it, but apparently it's critical of Bush. The posts were all outraged that a singer would criticize their Beloved Leader.

But what cracked me up was a post by one woman who was complaining about the "liberal media" and said she liked the Greenday song "American Idiot" because it was against the big bad Liberals. :rolleyes:

[Sushi]

BUMP...

From the National Review: (you need a subscription to see the whole list online, and the blogs that had copies up before have taken the list down)

50 top conservative rock songs:

Pandagon blog w/ partial list (http://pandagon.net/2006/05/21/50-top-conservative-rock-songs-subtitle-quit-calling-us-squares-you-beatniks/)

The Clash is conservative... The band that put out "Sandinista." What The Fuck?
That is fricking hilarious.

I remember seeing coverage of a pro-war (excuse me, a "Support the Troops") rally during Gulf War Part I. It was about 30 kids running around listening to Born in the USA. Clearly they weren't paying too much attention to the lyrics.

[beezlebob]

LOL, just a desperate attempt by conservative rock music lovers to try to justify liking certain bands despite their well known leftist beliefs that they promote through their music (The Clash, Chrissie Hynde, The Beatles, U2, being some of the obvious older ones) because they know that the ones who really promote conservative beliefs are overwhelmingly crap bands (Nugent, Tommy Shaw, Vanilla Ice).

Yes you should like music because it is good music and not based on the political beliefs of the artists, but if you found out your favorite artist was a neo-nazi but still wrote good tunes woiuld you still buy their stuff?

I still stand by my statement that if you are a conservative and buy albums by "liberal artists" who promote their ideals via their music or through other means, then by buying their albums you are subsidizing their belief system and you are therefore a hypocrite and have weak ethics because it puts more money in their pockets to further spread those ideals.

[beezlebob]

It was about 30 kids running around listening to Born in the USA. Clearly they weren't paying too much attention to the lyrics.

True but when that song came out it was embraced by the Reagan Republicans as a patriotic song. It may have been taken out of context then and still is but Bruce really didn't protest too much and kept cashing the checks as I recall.

[Sushi]

True but when that song came out it was embraced by the Reagan Republicans as a patriotic song. It may have been taken out of context then and still is but Bruce really didn't protest too much and kept cashing the checks as I recall.
I know people listened to the chorus and thought it was patriotic. If they had listened to the verses, they might have a different take on it. If that's patriotism, it is a bitter, angry patriotism.


Why can't they just face the fact that the left has better music? :p

[lawdog]

Wow. Some of these they really had to reach on...

For example, I like how they sort of gloss over the fact that the CCR song is kind of anti-war. Yeah, that was such a small part of what they were about. :rolleyes: Plus, I'm pretty sure if "Cult of Personality" were written today, there would be a verse about our current president. And "Keep Your Hands to Yourself" is about "old time sexual mores"!? I thought it was bemoaning old time sexual mores.

On the other hand, if the National Review wants to claim Sammy Hagar, Creed, Skynard, and Kid Rock for the conservative movement, I vote that they can have them. Hell, they can have Bono, too. He won't fit in, but he is getting a skosh annoying in his old age.

BTW, if that's only a partial list that spackler put up a link to, the NYT has the complete list here (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/25/arts/music/25brockweb.html).

[frizgolf]

I still stand by my statement that if you are a conservative and buy albums by "liberal artists" who promote their ideals via their music or through other means, then by buying their albums you are subsidizing their belief system and you are therefore a hypocrite and have weak ethics because it puts more money in their pockets to further spread those ideals.
You can't get away from liberals in the entertainment industry. I've realized that long ago.
By your logic, I should never enjoy any culture.

[the happy prole]

True but when that song came out it was embraced by the Reagan Republicans as a patriotic song. It may have been taken out of context then and still is but Bruce really didn't protest too much and kept cashing the checks as I recall.

Cashing what checks? It's not like Reagan paid him to use the song. And he did distance himself from Reagan and requested Dole not to use it as well. To the extent that he wasn't more vocal about blasting Reagan, it was because he doesn't view the song as didn't want it being turned into a liberal song either.

[beezlebob]

You can't get away from liberals in the entertainment industry. I've realized that long ago.
By your logic, I should never enjoy any culture.

You can enjoy it because not every song by a liberal artist is about politics, but when you buy their CD or go see their movie, you are putting money in their pockets to further those causes that they may support actively.

[beezlebob]

Cashing what checks? It's not like Reagan paid him to use the song. And he did distance himself from Reagan and requested Dole not to use it as well. To the extent that he wasn't more vocal about blasting Reagan, it was because he doesn't view the song as didn't want it being turned into a liberal song either.


I just don't remember him coming out and protesting the songs use or misuse. I didn't know he tried to distance him from Reagan, I don't remember that, I was pretty young at the time. I am sure a lot of people bought that single based on it's misinterpretation, If he made it very clear that that is NOT what the song was all about maybe not as many people would have bought it who wouldn't have otherwise. It sure made him a lot of cash.

[aqualou]

as far as i'm concerned, a musician's music has nothing to do with their politics (least the lyrics point obviously to it). i could care less what david byrne's veiws of welfare or billy ray cyrus thinks about international relations. i could also care less about an actor's or any celebrity's politics. i could care less about who is dating who, who is having whose baby or how much weight someone has gained or lost.

if rush limbaugh could rock, i'd probably listen to his music.

[george]

You can enjoy it because not every song by a liberal artist is about politics, but when you buy their CD or go see their movie, you are putting money in their pockets to further those causes that they may support actively.

You can say that about everything and everybody. If you have Progressive car insurance, you support MoveOn. If you drink Budweiser, watch the Simpsons, or use an MBNA credit card, you are supporting the Republican National Committee.

[Breeze]

I just don't remember him coming out and protesting the songs use or misuse. I didn't know he tried to distance him from Reagan, I don't remember that, I was pretty young at the time.

(CNN) -- In the heart of his 1984 re-election campaign, Ronald Reagan made a speech in Hammonton, New Jersey, and took the opportunity to invoke the name of one of the Garden State's favorite sons.

"America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside our hearts," the president said. "It rests in the message of hope in the songs of a man so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen."

Reagan -- or his speechwriter -- was likely thinking of one song in particular: "Born in the U.S.A.," the title cut from Springsteen's No. 1 album of the time. The song, with Max Weinberg's thunderous drums, Roy Bittan's glittery keyboards and an anthemic chorus, was impossible to avoid that year: "Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A. ..."

But look deeper, and there was another dimension to "Born in the U.S.A." The song was the ferocious cry of an unemployed Vietnam veteran.

"Down in the shadow of the penitentiary/Out by the gas fires of the refinery/I'm 10 years burning down the road/Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go," Springsteen sang in a working-class howl.

The singer wasn't amused by Reagan's appropriation of his work.

"I think people have a need to feel good about the country they live in," he later told Rolling Stone. "But what's happening, I think, is that that need -- which is a good thing -- is getting manipulated and exploited. You see in the Reagan election ads on TV, you know, 'It's morning in America,' and you say, 'Well, it's not morning in Pittsburgh.' "

[beezlebob]

You can say that about everything and everybody. If you have Progressive car insurance, you support MoveOn. If you drink Budweiser, watch the Simpsons, or use an MBNA credit card, you are supporting the Republican National Committee.


...and if those connections you cite are true then yes you are helping their causes because your money indirectly goes to their causes and their agendas. It doesn't mean you can't like those things or certain artists, just be aware that you DO support their causes by giving them your money.

I don't follow the idea that "well if the song is good then it doesn't matter what it's about or what that person promotes outside the music". If you want to compare this with corporations....Wal-Mart has rockbottom prices but I think the way they ravage communities and treat their workers is deplorable, so I don't shop there despite the fact that the prices are pleasing to my wallet.

[beezlebob]

(CNN) -- In the heart of his 1984 re-election campaign, Ronald Reagan made a speech in Hammonton, New Jersey, and took the opportunity to invoke the name of one of the Garden State's favorite sons.

"America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside our hearts," the president said. "It rests in the message of hope in the songs of a man so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen."

Reagan -- or his speechwriter -- was likely thinking of one song in particular: "Born in the U.S.A.," the title cut from Springsteen's No. 1 album of the time. The song, with Max Weinberg's thunderous drums, Roy Bittan's glittery keyboards and an anthemic chorus, was impossible to avoid that year: "Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A. ..."

But look deeper, and there was another dimension to "Born in the U.S.A." The song was the ferocious cry of an unemployed Vietnam veteran.

"Down in the shadow of the penitentiary/Out by the gas fires of the refinery/I'm 10 years burning down the road/Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go," Springsteen sang in a working-class howl.

The singer wasn't amused by Reagan's appropriation of his work.

"I think people have a need to feel good about the country they live in," he later told Rolling Stone. "But what's happening, I think, is that that need -- which is a good thing -- is getting manipulated and exploited. You see in the Reagan election ads on TV, you know, 'It's morning in America,' and you say, 'Well, it's not morning in Pittsburgh.' "

okey dokey then. Like I said I wasn't aware of his objections at the time and only recently did I learn of those objections. I guess alot of people were not ware either because ironically alot of people liked Springsteen then and now because there was and still is by some people the perception that Springsteen is this flag waving right wing patriot.

[Jumpman]

I remember hearing that Easy E was a republican and could be spotted at fundraising events.

Also, the conservative Ramone is still alive. The dead ones, Dee Dee and Joey (I think) were both NOT conservative.

[frizgolf]

You can enjoy it because not every song by a liberal artist is about politics, but when you buy their CD or go see their movie, you are putting money in their pockets to further those causes that they may support actively.
Hmmm.
And I thought I was supporting their right to make art I enjoy.
So, I should check the agendas of artists I spend my money on?
By that train of thought, should I research the political agendas of every company I set foot into when I intend to buy something?
"OK, sir, that'll be $1.95 for that strawberry malt."
"Excuse me, but can you tell me about Carl Lindner's views on abortion and the Iraq war?"
Hmmph.
I like the music, I buy it.
There are tons of tunes where I never could decipher lyrics until google happened along, and even then, some don't make a lick of sense. If my toe taps, or my hand reaches for the volume knob, I'm sold, regardless of agenda.

[beezlebob]

I remember hearing that Easy E was a republican and could be spotted at fundraising events.

Also, the conservative Ramone is still alive. The dead ones, Dee Dee and Joey (I think) were both NOT conservative.

Johnny Ramone was the conservative and he is quite dead. On September 15, 2004, he died in his Los Angeles home after a five year battle with prostate cancer.

[beezlebob]

Hmmm.

So, I should check the agendas of artists I spend my money on?
By that train of thought, should I research the political agendas of every company I set foot into when I intend to buy something?

Nope. That would be impossible. I am just saying it is hypocrytical to knowingly purchase CD's by artists who make their music a vehicle for their politcal causes. Would you knowingly buy toothpaste from a company that makes it abundantly clear that proceeds of that purchase will go toward making abortion laws that were the opposite of your view? I wouldn't.


There are tons of tunes where I never could decipher lyrics until google happened along, and even then, some don't make a lick of sense. If my toe taps, or my hand reaches for the volume knob, I'm sold, regardless of agenda.


What if the agenda was overtly racist or homophobic. I guess if you couldn't understand the words to begin with then no one is blaming you, but would you continue to listen to that song or songs based on what you now know.

I guess I am just lucky in the sense that I am a liberal and most artists and musicians are liberal as well so I don't have to rationalize any of this.

[george]

I'm glad nobody else seems as narrow-minded as beezlebob. It would be pretty sad if we all cut ourselves off from the artistic expressions of those whose ideas differed from our own.

[Jumpman]

Johnny Ramone was the conservative and he is quite dead. On September 15, 2004, he died in his Los Angeles home after a five year battle with prostate cancer.


My bad, I thought there were still two alive, but there ya go. So there be only one left.

[beezlebob]

I'm glad nobody else seems as narrow-minded as beezlebob. It would be pretty sad if we all cut ourselves off from the artistic expressions of those whose ideas differed from our own.

If narrow-minded means sticking to your principles and not supporting people who support causes that you do not agree with then I guess I am narrow-minded. I guess I should shop at Wal-Mart because of the low prices and forget about my principles. The thing is no one here can really name any good conservative bands, so it's really easy to argue that it shouldn't matter if you are a conservative that likes rock music.

And again... I am not saying anymore you can't enjoy it, just be aware what you are doing when you give them your money.

[purple_octopus]

If narrow-minded means sticking to your principles and not supporting people who support causes that you do not agree with then I guess I am narrow-minded. I guess I should shop at Wal-Mart because of the low prices and forget about my principles. The thing is no one here can really name any good conservative bands, so it's really easy to argue that it shouldn't matter if you are a conservative that likes rock music.

And again... I am not saying anymore you can't enjoy it, just be aware what you are doing when you give them your money.
I suppose it would be better if everyone just stole their music. :rolleyes:

[george]

If narrow-minded means sticking to your principles and not supporting people who support causes that you do not agree with then I guess I am narrow-minded. I guess I should shop at Wal-Mart because of the low prices and forget about my principles. The thing is no one here can really name any good conservative bands, so it's really easy to argue that it shouldn't matter if you are a conservative that likes rock music.

And again... I am not saying anymore you can't enjoy it, just be aware what you are doing when you give them your money.

It seems that you aren't any different than those people who boycott the Dixie Chicks (except you are coming from the other side of the proverbial aisle).

Those examples I cited earlier are accurate. August Busch and the head of MBNA (and about a hundred other corporate chieftans) are Rangers - Republicans who raise more than $250,000 every election cycle. We all know about Rupert Murdoch. So, wouldn't drinking Hefeweizen or going to Sea World or using a credit card issued by MBNA or watching the Simpsons or American Idol or using DirecTV or myspace be against your principles?

[beezlebob]

It seems that you aren't any different than those people who boycott the Dixie Chicks (except you are coming from the other side of the proverbial aisle).

Again I am not saying you can't like them, just be aware that you are indirectly supporting things you may or may not believe in

Those examples I cited earlier are accurate. August Busch and the head of MBNA (and about a hundred other corporate chieftans) are Rangers - Republicans who raise more than $250,000 every election cycle. We all know about Rupert Murdoch. So, wouldn't drinking Hefeweizen or going to Sea World or using a credit card issued by MBNA or watching the Simpsons or American Idol or using DirecTV or myspace be against your principles?

Yes and I am aware of some of these things. You can't have it all.

It would be impossible to survive in todays world without buying something that ended up in the pocket of someone you disagree with, however If I can avoid it I will.

[george]

Again I am not saying you can't like them, just be aware that you are indirectly supporting things you may or may not believe in


As far as corporations and businesses, I agree with you. I don't like WalMart either and I don't shop there. But I think music is a completely different animal. I bought the new Neil Young album. I don't think I am supporting the Democratic party so much as I think I am supporting Neil Young's right to express his beliefs. Even if Young's beliefs on certain issues are different than my own, I support his right to express them.

[markalot]

Again I am not saying you can't like them, just be aware that you are indirectly supporting things you may or may not believe in



Yes and I am aware of some of these things. You can't have it all.

It would be impossible to survive in todays world without buying something that ended up in the pocket of someone you disagree with, however If I can avoid it I will.

I don't avoid buying products over ideaology, I think that's stupid, but I know a lot of idiots who do just that. So what's the goal? To shut up people you don't agree with? If so then you can lump yourself in with all the country music fans whos topped buying Dixie Chicks because they spoke out against Bush.

You feel good being a member of that crowd?

[beezlebob]

I don't avoid buying products over ideaology, I think that's stupid, but I know a lot of idiots who do just that. So what's the goal? To shut up people you don't agree with? If so then you can lump yourself in with all the country music fans whos topped buying Dixie Chicks because they spoke out against Bush.

You feel good being a member of that crowd?

The goal is not to "shut people up". People can say anything they want even if I disagree. You just made a huge leap in your logic there and assummed I must hate everyone who I disagree with. One of my best friends who I see on a regular basis is a Republican, Catholic, country music fan. I am none of those things. Needless to say we differ on many subjects. He respects my opinion and I respect his. If he wanted to borrow 10 dollars from me to donate to the Republican Party I would politely tell him "no". I just will not subsidize it if I can help it.

I am not a member of that intolerant crowd at all if their goal is to "shut people up" as you say.

[jd1]

I am not a member of that intolerant crowd at all if their goal is to "shut people up" as you say.But you say people who don't constrain their choices of music to those artists that agree with them are hypocrites (your word, and one with a negative connotation). That suggests the very intolerance you disclaim. Or are you, yourself, a hypocrite? It's okay for you to tolerate people with inconsitient musical/political opinions, but not okay for them to actually hold them?

Everyone on this board has (some) broadly similar musical tastes--we like the kind of stuff WOXY plays. We do not have similar political tastes, however. People here are all over the map. Who are you to say that those who happen to be in the minority (as compared to the artists we all enjoy) are somehow failing to meet some arbitrary standard of honesty?

Totally cool for you to say it, of course--but recognize that nobody's gonna pat you on the back about how clever you are in coming up with a way to label them hypocrites.

--JD

[beezlebob]

Oh we are all hypocrites to some degree. I just don't have to rationaize it as much as some other folks.

I am expecting no pats on the back by the way.

[Motti]

One of the Ramones (can't remember which)

(...)

I have heard Moby is conservative and Gene Simmons as well.

As explained by Mike two years ago, that was Johnny. And I heard that Joey wrote "The KKK Took My Baby Away" because Johnny once stole Joey's girlfriend. I can't attest to the truthfulness of the story, but how cool is that? Making your bandmate (and arch-enemy) spend 20 years playing a derrogatory song about stealing your girlfriend!

BTW, I'm not sure about Moby, but when he played here a few months ago he wouldn't shut up about how Bush is evil etc., so maybe that's off the mark.

[the happy prole]

I don't know if I'd put it as strongly as Beezlebub does, but I don't see the problem here. I support the Dixie Chicks' right to free speech. They have the right to sing and say whatever they want. And that's where it ends. I'm under no obligation to buy their music or support them in any way.

That's the free market. For the most part I don't care what musicians say, but there are exceptions. I'm not going to buy a RaHoWA or Prussian Blue album any time soon, but that's my personal choice.

If you don't care what Neil Young is singing, that's your call. Some people do.

[purple_octopus]

I don't know if I'd put it as strongly as Beezlebub does, but I don't see the problem here. I support the Dixie Chicks' right to free speech. They have the right to sing and say whatever they want. And that's where it ends. I'm under no obligation to buy their music or support them in any way.

That's the free market. For the most part I don't care what musicians say, but there are exceptions. I'm not going to buy a RaHoWA or Prussian Blue album any time soon, but that's my personal choice.

If you don't care what Neil Young is singing, that's your call. Some people do.
I think beezlebob's point is that if you buy Neil Young's album, and you like 14 out of 15 songs -- yet buy the album anyway -- you're a hypocrite. That's kind of stupid. If I like 95% of an artist's work, but don't necessarily align myself with their religious or political beliefs, should I not still support that artist for the parts of their work that I *do* like? Shit, I hardly agree with anyone on religion or politics. I guess I should stop listening to music. Or reading the newspaper. Or buying anything, for that matter. I should become a recluse and live off the fucking land. :rolleyes:

[Slar]

I am just saying it is hypocrytical to knowingly purchase CD's by artists who make their music a vehicle for their politcal causes. Would you knowingly buy toothpaste from a company that makes it abundantly clear that proceeds of that purchase will go toward making abortion laws that were the opposite of your view? I wouldn't.I like Stereolab and buy their music, even though I don't agree with their politics. They make a unique product that I can't get anywhere else and so I give them my money willingly.

Say a toothpaste manufacturer had a political ideology that I despised, but had a feature that no other toothpaste had and that I wanted. I'd buy the product.

If the toothpaste manufactuere had a potilical ideology that I loved, but their product caused my gums to bleed and was three times as expensive as anything else on the market. I'd pass.

If all other things are considered equal I'll buy based on politics.

Music is unique though. Each sound is distinct. Even if the band is a bunch of damn dirty socialist hippies, but I like the sound, they are getting my cash.

[stakeraiser]

Here's some info on the Ramones

"My Brain is Hanging Upside Down (Bonzo Goes to Bitburg)" was an anti-Reagan song written by Joey and Dee Ramone(liberals). Johnny Ramone(republican) obviously didn't like it, and this furthered tension in the band.

Here's a wikipedia link to elaborate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonzo_Goes_to_Bitburg

[markalot]

I think people who care about a musicians politics are stupid. I don't know if I can make it any clearer than that.

[purple_octopus]

I think people who care about a musicians politics are stupid. I don't know if I can make it any clearer than that.
HAHAHA, no shit. Actors and musicians are usually the last people I look to for their profound political ideas.

[the happy prole]

Shit, I hardly agree with anyone on religion or politics. I guess I should stop listening to music. Or reading the newspaper. Or buying anything, for that matter. I should become a recluse and live off the fucking land. :rolleyes:

No. You can do whatever you want. But unless we're music critics I don't think we have an obligation to separate the artist from their music or their political viewpoints. You can if you choose to, I don't have to follow suit.

I think we're all such music fans that we've lost a bit of objectivity. Not everyone puts music ahead of politics, and they shouldn't have to.

I won't buy a Kobe Bryant jersey, because I think Kobe Bryant is an ass. Also he happens to play for a team that I dislike for totally arbitrary reasons. Is anyone here going to tell me I must support Bryant because he's unquestionably a stellar basketball player?

[beezlebob]

HAHAHA, no shit. Actors and musicians are usually the last people I look to for their profound political ideas.

Usually people that disagree with the politics of those actors or musicians say that. I certainly don't look to them for political ideas, but actors and musicians do influence people through their works. They have a soapbox to preach from. They have every right to speak their mind too. They just have bigger pulpit to do it from than you or I and the person down the street.

I guess it's good that some of you can just see it as the art, but I really think some of you are just rationaizing because you like the music but don't like the message and you would just be all giddy if there were conservatives that wrote music like The Clash or Moby or U2 or Neil Young and the like, but it doesn't appear to be the case. It doesn't seem like you have any choice unless you like metal or country music.

[markalot]

I guess it's good that some of you can just see it as the art, but I really think some of you are just rationaizing because you like the music but don't like the message and you would just be all giddy if there were conservatives that wrote music like The Clash or Moby or U2 or Neil Young and the like, but it doesn't appear to be the case. It doesn't seem like you have any choice unless you like metal or country music.

That could not be further from the truth. I dunno how else to explain it. Perhaps you have too much time on your hands?

I like music I like, and I like music that ... I like. I like music that sounds good and I think it sounds good if I like it (see above). If someone sings a political song and I don't like the words then I won't like the song. If the entire album is political songs then I won't like the album (regardless of my views on the subject). If I like the words and I like the music then I'll like the song (see above).

[george]

The more I think about this idea, the more ridiculous it becomes. Listening only to the music of people with whom you are politically aligned is not a sign of strong ethics and honesty -- in fact, the opposite is true. Cutting yourself off from anyone who disagrees with you is a sign of weakness. I was wrong when I said it was narrow-minded. It is, in fact, close-minded. It is born of the belief that your ideas are so absolutely correct that anybody who espouses ideas different from your own is not even worth hearing -- a complaint commonly (and rightly) levied against our current president.

This idea is part of the polarization of America. It's why Fox News is so successful - they know that there huge flocks of sheeple who want - nay - need to hear their ideas reinforced for them, so as to ease any doubts and to legitimize their beliefs. They need that constant reinforcement.

Liberals, of all people, should be the ones who realize that it is through hearing the broadest range of ideas that true strength and knowledge comes.

[purple_octopus]

No. You can do whatever you want. But unless we're music critics I don't think we have an obligation to separate the artist from their music or their political viewpoints. You can if you choose to, I don't have to follow suit.
So then you're disagreeing with beezlebob and agreeing with me? That's what it sounds like. Because he's saying you *can't* separate them whatsoever. I'm saying it's a choice. You certainly can lump them together if you want to, but it's not a requirement to agree with someone's politics or religion to enjoy their art. And you don't have to like *all* of their art to be a fan of some of it.

[the happy prole]

oh bullshit. Dude, it's just music.

Have you heard the new Dixie Chicks album? If not, do you feel like you are uninformed about Bush or politics or even music?

[george]

oh bullshit. Dude, it's just music.

Have you heard the new Dixie Chicks album? If not, do you feel like you are uninformed about Bush or politics or even music?

My choice not to buy the Dixie Chicks album is driven by a distaste for pop-country pablum, not from a fear that I might be giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

If you choose not to listen to musicians with different political views than your own, that's your personal prerogative. When you claim that anyone who does not fall into line with this is "a hypocrite and has weak ethics" then you've gone way overboard.

[the happy prole]

You don't have to buy the album, but have you heard it? Gone out of your way to check it out in the sound booth at a cd store? Because it's gotten pretty stellar reviews. And so shouldn't we all be making an effort to listen to it and understand the genre if we don't want to be close-minded?

I would say that if you want to expand your political understanding, you ought to read WSJ and NYT. I don't think listening to Dismemberment Plan is going to do that much for you one way or the other.

I agree that Beezlebob's comments were over-the-top, but I also think everyone else ha become a bit sanctinmonious in response. Like I said, if I didn't buy a Kobe Bryant jersey because I don't personally like Kobe Bryant off-the-court no one would care. So why should a CD be any different?

[jd1]

I agree that Beezlebob's comments were over-the-top, but I also think everyone else ha become a bit sanctinmonious in response. Like I said, if I didn't buy a Kobe Bryant jersey because I don't personally like Kobe Bryant off-the-court no one would care. So why should a CD be any different?You're getting it wrong... Nobody would care if said you don't like Radiohead, so you're not buying a new Radiohead album.

What is annoying about Bzbob's point is his suggestion that someone ELSE shouldn't buy music that they DO like, on the basis of a totally unrelated factor (be it politics, favorite foods, current boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse, etc).

--JD

[the happy prole]

So then you're disagreeing with beezlebob and agreeing with me? That's what it sounds like. Because he's saying you *can't* separate them whatsoever. I'm saying it's a choice. You certainly can lump them together if you want to, but it's not a requirement to agree with someone's politics or religion to enjoy their art. And you don't have to like *all* of their art to be a fan of some of it.

I guess I'm in between. From an artistic appreciation standpoint, I agree with you. I can certainly appreciate the beauty in "Triumph of the Will" without agreeing with the Nazis.

But am I going to buy "Triumph of the Will?" Probably not. And if it's the 1930's definitely not. I wouldn't call for it to banned, but if I don't want the government to legislate morality then I have to take personal moral responsibility for my actions.

In the same way, if I know that Jenny Lewis supports the KKK then I will not buy a Rilo Kiley album ever again. Even if the music is great, and Jenny Lewis is hot, and the lyrics have nothing to do with race. I know that my money is indirectly going towards supporting racial hatred, and I think it's selfish and irresponsible to try and wash my hands of that.

Most of the time it doesn't come to that because I don't take people's political views that seriously. Like I don't have a problem with Republicans. Some of my best friends are Republican. If Travis Morrison wants to tout Bush, it doesn't bother me very much (the fact that his music sucks does, though). So if you went out and bought a Billy Bragg album, I wouldn't call you a hypocrite. I would just assume that the stakes aren't high enough. And that's cool.

What bothers me is the idea someone would allow their aesthetic judgment to override your moral judgment. Or that they don't feel obligated to consider the moral issue at all.

[purple_octopus]

What bothers me is the idea someone would allow their aesthetic judgment to override your moral judgment. Or that they don't feel obligated to consider the moral issue at all.
I guess I pretty much agree with you. It helps that I pretty much hate conservatives and liberals equally, I can't take either of them that seriously. I don't see *that* much wrong with being a Republican or a Democrat, but I can't say the same thing for a Klansman or a Nazi. I won't abandon your friendship if you don't vote down the right party line, but I won't say two words to you other than "fuck off" if you're a Klansman. It's not as though all ideas that I disagree with are equally bad. It's not that black and white.

[jps]

if the music sucks then it doesn't matter one way or the other what the person's viewpoint is that is creating the sucking music.

if the music is really good, then it matters what the politics of the artist are up to and including the point where overt and redundant political statements are being made if they get in the way of the art. Where that point lies is generally going to be an aesthetic judgement of the consumer of the art itself...

I don't like toby keith or the dixie chicks because their "art" (though the dixie chicks seem to be entirely more talented) doesn't appeal to me, not because of their politics/life-views. I have to admit that Bush fans/Bush voters/Republicans at the REM show at the Taft in 2004 seemed out of place to me. I could be imagining it, but it seems difficult to imagine a conservative singing along to a good portion of their music.

[spackler]

In the same way, if I know that Jenny Lewis supports the KKK then I will not buy a Rilo Kiley album ever again. Please tell me this is not true *prepares to rip Jenny's posters off walls*


I find the more fascinating thing here the right's attempt to co-opt some rock music based on ripping lyrics completely from thier context, and the artist. To claim that "Rock the Casbah" somehow supports military action in the mideast, completely ignoring, most of the lyrics and the british role in the mideast is absurd. To claim that "My City Was Gone" is an anti-eminet domain song and ignore the references to sprawl and shopping malls (aka "bidness") is moronic. It seems a pathetic attempt to get some attention.

I'm a lefty, and the first time I hear another liberal refer to a Kid Rock or Ted Nugent lyric as supporting any position they endorse, I will call them a fucking idiot.

[the happy prole]

Shake 'er easy, spackler. It was purely hypothetical. As far as I know, Jenny Lewis is not, repeat NOT an supporter of the KKK.







Although she was in a movie called "The Wizard"

[DaHood]

...it's not a requirement to agree with someone's politics or religion to enjoy their art. And you don't have to like *all* of their art to be a fan of some of it.
Ditto.Dammit now I sound like Rush Limbaugh!

[Shlep]

I'm not sure why it would be so hard to divorce ones' feelings for a particular artist regarding their political views and their art. I think Sean Penn is a complete and utter colossal douchebag, one of the biggest bags of douche walking the planet, a sufficiently large douchebag that he could clear a yeast infection off of the Statue of Liberty. I can acknowledge this while at the same time recognizing the fact that the guy is an incredibly talented actor who could give a fantastic performance even if he was cast in a complete turd of a movie.

In this same way I can believe that Rage Against the Machine (and their later incarnation Audioslave) are a bunch of wildly misguided, hypocritical, pontificating whiney dickheads who deserve a swift and judicious kick in the nuts for all the time they've spent shilling for what I consider to be one of the greatest plagues to visit the Earth in contemporary times-- Communism-- while also being of the opinion that they are extremely talented musicians who have produced the kind of killer riffs that make you make to bust out your wildest air guiter performance even though you're in your car sitting and a stoplight surrounded by people who surely think you're insane.

If I start shutting out everyone in the entertainment industry whose views I disagree with, I'm going to find myself starved for entertainment. It's logically impossible, I think, to make choices with respect to movies, music, literature, et al based on whether or not the person creating the works is politically aligned with you. I agree with most of what Ted Nugent has to say about firearms ownership, hunting, and ecological stewardship and respect the staggering amount of work he's done quietly promoting the causes he believes in; this is not to say I don't think he's said some outrageous things and taken some seriously misguided positions on stuff.

Besides, imagine the conondrums that arise from only patronizing artists you approve of politically. Suppose I think Sean Penn is a typical smug, arrogant limo liberal and decide to boycott his movies. His next movie comes out to rave reviews regarding his performance alongside his co-star, conservative Robert Duvall. Do I not see the movie 'cuz I hate Sean, or rush to the theater because I like Robert?

[DaHood]

In this same way I can believe that Rage Against the Machine (and their later watered down incarnation Limp Bizkit)
Fixed!

But I do love Rage's music. HATE the politics, love the music.

[the happy prole]

If you're a liberal, or somewhat amenable to liberal causes you might have to skip what, one of every 10 movies or 20 CD's? It's really not a big deal. You'd have plenty of entertainment to keep you occupied.

But even in the worst case scenario, yeah you'd miss out on some pretty good flicks and some nice tunes. And? Instead of sitting around with your ass glued to a chair maybe you're out hiking. Or maybe you're writing your own music or doing photography or building wooden deck chairs or something.

And if every libertarian boycotted Sean Penn's movies then Sean Penn would cease to be such a box office draw. And it might put pressure on the rest of Hollywood might stop being such overt liberal goofballs. There might even spring up a market for films with libertarian actors featuring liberatian themes.
There's a whole industry for Christian entertainment. And in music there's all sorts of subgenres from White Supremecy to Christian to Straight Edge.

If you think the Dixie Chicks are traitors who seriously threaten the security of the US and cause our troops to die I'd have some serious issues with your viewpoint. But I wouldn't have any problem with you boycotting the Dixie Chicks if that's how you feel. In fact, if you didn't boycot the Dixie Chicks I'd think you were a hypocrite.

[Jim Schue]

On the earlier discussion about Springsteen/"Born In The USA":

Because of how the song got co-opted by those who distorted the message, Springsteen stopped playing the song the way it appears on the album, going instead for a stripped-down acoustic version with a melody that doesn't even match the original, thereby leaving no mystery about what the song is about (even if it is hard to recognize it).

[george]

You don't have to buy the album, but have you heard it? Gone out of your way to check it out in the sound booth at a cd store? Because it's gotten pretty stellar reviews. And so shouldn't we all be making an effort to listen to it and understand the genre if we don't want to be close-minded?

I would say that if you want to expand your political understanding, you ought to read WSJ and NYT. I don't think listening to Dismemberment Plan is going to do that much for you one way or the other.

I agree that Beezlebob's comments were over-the-top, but I also think everyone else ha become a bit sanctinmonious in response. Like I said, if I didn't buy a Kobe Bryant jersey because I don't personally like Kobe Bryant off-the-court no one would care. So why should a CD be any different?

First, I don't think you should go buy somebody's album solely because you want to expose yourself to different viewpoints. I do think that if you like somebody's music and that artist also has a political bent different from your own then, in addition to enjoying their music, you get the benefit of exposure to viewpoints other than your own.

Second, there are flaws in the WalMart and Kobe Bryant analogies. First, WalMart is a business and if you believe that they hurt small businesses and mistreat their employees - these are very tangible things - then you probably should boycott them. Kobe is generally disliked for the (alleged) rape incident. Again, that's a far different animal than writing an album in which you state that you don't like the president.

Third, just to reiterate, I don't think anyone has a problem with an individual saying that he personally is uncomfortable buying the album of someone with whom he disagrees politically. The rub is when that individual claims that others who do not feel the same way are hypocrites and have ethical deficiencies.

[the happy prole]

I think that I can draw just as tangible a line between me buying a U2 album and DATA as you can between Walmart and small business. If you think DATA is a horrible, horrible group and you and buy U2 albums then I think you need to consider what you are doing. And "I like the songs" to me is not nearly a good enough excuse, or even an excuse at all.

Like I said, I don't think people who buy CD's from artists of the opposite political persuasion are hypocrites, simply because most of the time we don't feel that strongly about the issue. But your too far the other way, man.

The more I think about this idea, the more ridiculous it becomes. Listening only to the music of people with whom you are politically aligned is not a sign of strong ethics and honesty -- in fact, the opposite is true. Cutting yourself off from anyone who disagrees with you is a sign of weakness. I was wrong when I said it was narrow-minded. It is, in fact, close-minded. It is born of the belief that your ideas are so absolutely correct that anybody who espouses ideas different from your own is not even worth hearing.

I disagree with Ted Nugent strongly enough about gun rights and some other issues that I would not buy another Ted Nugent CD. I feel like my failure to buy "Cat Scratch Fever" has little to do with me being a close-minded person, and much more to do with the fact that I already feel well-informed about the NRA. And if I need more information about the NRA (either pro or con), I could do a lot better from various reading material than I could listening to "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang."

[drexel dave]

Actually, David Allen Coe has made a complete 180. He claims he is ashamed of the racist funny songs he made back in the 1970s, refuses to play them, and even has added some racial flavah to his band. He had a black drummer the one time I saw him (although his fan base is made up of some of the dumbest, filthiest ugliest rednecks alive who would make perfect targets on a shooting range).



Yeah, I don't mean to be mean-spirited either, but look at that list... Toby Keith? Ted Nugent? C.C. Deville? Ack. I'll bet David Allen Coe is on that list, too... double ack.