Battle of the pompous boars [Archive]

FHQWHGADS

27 Jul 2004, 12:47 PM

what time?! what time?! what time?! what time?! what time?!

I have to schedule my dinner break around this - what time?

But I'm only watching if someone promises they will be steppin' on matchbox cars and plastic houses and someone gets pushed in to some power lines during the debate.

emily655321

27 Jul 2004, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by FHQWHGADS
But I'm only watching if someone promises they will be steppin' on matchbox cars and plastic houses and someone gets pushed in to some power lines during the debate.
Oh, it'll happen.

Shrike

27 Jul 2004, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by drexel dave
Nah. He's just a commentator. Actions are much more deadly than words. Moore deals in messages, not machine guns.

So the same applies to O`Reilly? Or is that some obvious double standard that a conservative suburban brainwashed prickbag wouldn't understand?

Robert Goodman

27 Jul 2004, 03:23 PM

It's on O'rilley's show tonight, so whatever time he is on on fox. I hope it's the whole hour....

FHQWHGADS

27 Jul 2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Shrike

So the same applies to O`Reilly? Or is that some obvious double standard that a conservative suburban brainwashed prickbag wouldn't understand?

Hey, you are a SENIOR member now so that is MISTER
conservative suburban brainwashed prickbag.

FHQWHGADS

27 Jul 2004, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Robert Goodman
It's on O'rilley's show tonight, so whatever time he is on on fox. I hope it's the whole hour....

-Thanks.

Here is what I found so far: http://www.billoreilly.com/site

(Eastern times)

8:00pm - 9:00pm The O'Reilly Factor (cc)

11:00pm - 12:00am The O'Reilly Factor (r) (cc)

4:00am - 5:00am The O'Reilly Factor (r) (cc)

(Pacific times)

5:00pm - 6:00pm The O'Reilly Factor (cc)

8:00pm - 9:00pm The O'Reilly Factor (r) (cc)

1:00am - 2:00am The O'Reilly Factor (r) (cc)

And mentioned for the radio show:

Hour 1:
Analyzing the speeches
Bill takes a look at the strengths and weaknesses of the various speeches presented last night at the Democratic National Convention, and the Truth Police put a stop to any spin that may have been happening!

Hour 2:
Michael Moore and Ann Coulter
Bill faces off with Michael Moore at the DNC, and talks to Ann Coulter about her experience with USA Today concerning the DNC.

sueque222

27 Jul 2004, 03:49 PM

on the o'riley factor, eh?

gee, let's see: during a 10 minute interview, o'riley will tear apart every aspect of faherenheit 911, then move on to shouting personal insults, all the while preventing moore from getting a word in edgewise. :rolleyes:

FHQWHGADS

27 Jul 2004, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by sueque222
on the o'riley factor, eh?

gee, let's see: during a 10 minute interview, o'riley will tear apart every aspect of faherenheit 911, then move on to shouting personal insults, all the while preventing moore from getting a word in edgewise. :rolleyes:

I think that is what intrigues me so - that Moore is willing to walk in to that. I don't expect much of substance to be accomplished but this should take care of any pro wrestling cravings I have for a while.

akip

27 Jul 2004, 04:20 PM

didn't franken already trounce o'reillY?

Shrike

27 Jul 2004, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by FHQWHGADS

Hey, you are a SENIOR member now so that is MISTER
conservative suburban brainwashed prickbag.
hah

Shrike

27 Jul 2004, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by akip
didn't franken already trounce o'reillY?
his arbitron ratings briefly edged oreilly. Guess who had better ratings than both of them on the radio that day.

Phreon

27 Jul 2004, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by drexel dave
Whenever one is demonized to the point that Michael Moore has been, it becomes obvious that he speaks mucho truth.

Many Americans hate the truth almost as much as justice and equality.

Whenever one is demonized to the point that Rush Limbaugh has been, it becomes obvious that he speaks mucho truth.

The same standard applies for both sides right?

Phreon

angryj5

27 Jul 2004, 05:17 PM

oh thats a great one, bring up your drug-addicted radio heros, hahahaha.

Necromancer

27 Jul 2004, 05:47 PM

O'Reilley will shoot Moore, and Moore's dying action will be to eat O'Reilley.

I could only hope, we need two less people trying to tell everyone how to think.

Phreon

27 Jul 2004, 05:48 PM

Angryj5,

Whos hero? I'm merely using Limbaugh as an example.

Clinton did drugs as well. Illegal ones to boot. Gonna make fun of him too?

So what you're saying is that you have a different set of standards depending on a person's political ideology. As long as we're clear on the hypocracy.

Got anything better than a rageful, quasi-ad homenim attack?

Phreon

angryj5

27 Jul 2004, 05:52 PM

youre saying clinton was addicted to pot?

Phreon

27 Jul 2004, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by angryj5
youre saying clinton was addicted to pot?

I'm saying Clinton willfully broke the law by doing "illicit" drugs. Limbaugh got hooked on prescribed pain killers. There's a difference, you know.

But why are you steering the conversation away from your hypocracy about Moore/Limbaugh?

Phreon

The Hegemo

27 Jul 2004, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Robert Goodman
May they eat each other.

I read that as "may they eat each other out."

Oh man is it ever going to take some serious drinking to get that image out of my head...

:eek:

FHQWHGADS

27 Jul 2004, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Shrike

So the same applies to O`Reilly? Or is that some obvious double standard that a conservative suburban brainwashed prickbag wouldn't understand?

I for one could be much more tolerant of O'Reilly, Limbaugh and the like if people like Moore were given equal air spew time. At the least, I would like to be able to find Air America blasting up the dial from 55KRC

In the meantime, for those who cannot wait until August 13th...

...I give you....

O'Ralien Vs PredaMoore

P.O.D. Warrior

27 Jul 2004, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by The Hegemo

I read that as "may they eat each other out."

Oh man is it ever going to take some serious drinking to get that image out of my head...

:eek:

You just HAD to get that image in my head didn't you. Couldn't keep it to yourself.

jps

27 Jul 2004, 07:19 PM

we'll see what happens, but i heard a brief story about this matchup on o'reilly tonight...

Moore said he would do the whole show so long as it was taped live and replayed with no edits, and suggested that it be done right then and there completely off the cuff so that there would be no traps that O'reilly could try to set up. What I heard, and I cannot confirm this, was that Moore brought this to O'reilly, as in, O'reilly had no intention of having Moore on the show.

O'reilly said no way, how about 8 minutes (which is probably his normal time for a guest), and Moore said he would do it if indeed it was taped live and replayed with no edits. We shall see.

Personal commentary: Every time I flip by O'reilly, he makes me want to join the NRA so I can buy some automatic weapon and shoot my TV. He tells lies on the air, and when guests call him out on it, he just says something like, "thats not the information I have" or "you are supposed to be an expert on this subject, how is it that you don't know this basic information..."

P.O.D. Warrior

27 Jul 2004, 07:37 PM

Well it seems the intereview isn't live. Should be slanted. I hate O'Reilley myself even though I'm a conservative. I hate Micheal Moore as well.

slow-dog

27 Jul 2004, 07:49 PM

Here's the drudge link to the transcript. (http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc4.htm)

The Mad Hater

27 Jul 2004, 07:57 PM

Dear Michael Moore,

Children are not allowed in the military. shut up.

wileE

27 Jul 2004, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Necromancer
O'Reilley will shoot Moore, and Moore's dying action will be to eat O'Reilley.

I could only hope, we need two less people trying to tell everyone how to think.

Hilarious!!!

I have nothing else to add.

Shrike

27 Jul 2004, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by FHQWHGADS

I for one could be much more tolerant of O'Reilly, Limbaugh and the like if people like Moore were given equal air spew time. At the least, I would like to be able to find Air America blasting up the dial from 55KRC

In the meantime, for those who cannot wait until August 13th...

...I give you....

O'Ralien Vs PredaMoore
Somone's gotta want to listen to it in your area first. How well is Air America doing (outside new york / chicago/ and sf)?

FitterHappier

28 Jul 2004, 09:23 AM

I watched the last portion of the interview. For me, it was simply a circular, worthless argument. Boy, I was stupid to expect rationality to be expressed when these two got together.
When one guy would bring up a point, the other would counter, then bring up another point. The first guy would then counter and bring up the first point again. Round and round it went.

The most interesting point was after the interview ended and O'Reilly said something about the idiocy of someone sticking to only one side of an issue and not entertaining thoughts from the other side. In its context, it seemed to be a stab at Moore, which is funny b/c O'Reilly is guilty of exactly the same thing. Then again, I had been drinking and was beginning to get pretty sleepy...

Also, I'm positive that when Moore was referring to "children" he was talking about 18, 19, 20 year-olds. The "children" of either of these guys would be around this age.
I saw some news show a while ago that followed disabled, teenage Iraq war vets through physical therapy. I gotta tell you, I'm only 25, but some of those 18 and 19 year-olds looked really frickin' young. If I was 40, I'd probably have called them children myself.

angryj5

28 Jul 2004, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Phreon

I'm saying Clinton willfully broke the law by doing "illicit" drugs. Limbaugh got hooked on prescribed pain killers. There's a difference, you know.

george w bush also broke the law, on several occasionsL: DUI, cocaine (way more serious than pot, by anyone's standards)

Originally posted by Phreon

But why are you steering the conversation away from your hypocracy about Moore/Limbaugh?

Phreon

my hypocracy of moore/limbaugh ?? youre the one who brought up a drug-addicted commentator.

DaysWithoutEnd

28 Jul 2004, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by slow-dog
Here's the drudge link to the transcript. (http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc4.htm)
Thanks for the link. Seems like Moore rolled right over Bill.

bluelupis

28 Jul 2004, 01:04 PM

I agree with DWE. He held his side far more intelligently and did not throw out any personal insults at O'Reilly.

BigSugar

28 Jul 2004, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by DaysWithoutEnd
Seems like Moore rolled right over Bill.

LOL! two pompous windbags, neither one answering any of the others legitimate questions.....looked like a draw when i was watching it......maybe simply reading the transcripts causes it to lose some context. it was like watching a judo fight, only both opponents stayed 10 feet away and just had a pose down.....

drexel dave

28 Jul 2004, 01:11 PM

Like you should talk about not answering questions. You wrote the book on it.

bluelupis

28 Jul 2004, 01:21 PM

Look! It's Battle Of The Pompous Boars Part II!! Yes!! ;)

:crouches and runs for life:

yoshomon

28 Jul 2004, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by drexel dave
Nah. He's just a commentator.

Maybe he's just a voice for the left-wing of the democrats who doesn't have a real critique of the war... because any real critique of the war points a finger at the whole damn system. Even with F9/11, Moore expects us to forget that the democratic party was almost entirely pro-war.

Not to mention NAFTA, welfare reform, WTO, Bosnia, sanctions in Iraq...

Even organized labor is becoming anti-democrat.

Phreon

28 Jul 2004, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by angryj5

george w bush also broke the law, on several occasionsL: DUI, cocaine (way more serious than pot, by anyone's standards)

And by "answering" my point by introducing another straw man (not involved with our converstion in any way), you are yet again steering away from my quesions.

my hypocracy of moore/limbaugh ? youre the one who brought up a drug-addicted commentator.

So you're regularly up in arms that Kennedy killed a young woman while on a drinking binge, right?

And are you saying that people who have problems with addictions are bad, because that's what it sounds like.

I was merely pointing out that if one says Moore must be telling the truth because so many people hate him, then one must also say Limbaugh must be telling the truth as well. You could substitute Hannity, O'Reilly or any other wacko for all I care, but the point is that if you don't apply a standard equally, then you are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

I brought up Clinton to illustrate the hypocracy of your bashing one person for becoming addicted to pain killers prescribed for a medical condition while letting another who willfully took illegal drugs, but fits neatly into your political universe, slide.

Bring up Bush and his use if you like, I'm not really trying to debate the war on drugs and the idiocy of the current catagorization system. I'm just pointing out that you are being biased and unfair, as well as mean spirited to make fun of a person's addiction.

Phreon

P.S. Did I answer that question for ya, Dave? Any time...

onest2.0

28 Jul 2004, 10:08 PM

I guess when you are on the air constantly talking about how all drug users should be locked up and then it comes out that you yourself are a drug user, you kind of made your own bed.

Last time I checked, Michael Moore did not have relations with Saudi princes.

Phreon

28 Jul 2004, 10:14 PM

So when replying to allegations that he's nothing more than a Democrat mouthpiece, did Moore make his own bed by stating he's just trying to report the facts and then later sitting with Jimmy Carter at the DNC?

Believe Moore, Limbaugh, Rosen or Hannity's "facts" if you like. Either way, it's hook, line and sinker for you.

Phreon

onest2.0

28 Jul 2004, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Shrike

his arbitron ratings briefly edged oreilly. Guess who had better ratings than both of them on the radio that day.

Ages 25-54

Limbaugh 2.3
Franken 1.7
O'Reilly 1.0

a .7 difference is hardly "edging" and Limbaugh has a 20 yr head start on Franken.

AAR is doing well in Portland and most of their lineup was recently added to a Clear channel owned Miami FLA station.

FHQWHGADS

29 Jul 2004, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by BigSugar
it was like watching a judo fight, only both opponents stayed 10 feet away and just had a pose down.....

LOL!

I watched it Tuesday but have yet to read the transcripts. I am a Moore fan, but I thought it was a draw. I think O'Reilly had a slight edge only because he has more hours logged in with that type of exchange and may have been a bit more comfortable in one of two hot seats. I noticed Moore was breathing kinda hard a couple times. They both seemed to hit each other with questions that the other was reluctant to answer squarely and/or adequately. They both seemed to run around questions that could have cornered them.

On describing legal adults as children, I have heard of elderly people crying over the caskets of their very adult children and crying out, "my baby" or "my child." Moore may be playing the emotional card by describing soldiers as children but it is not completely inaccurate as concerns the feelings of the parents. Moore could have said, "sons and daughters", but it is a minor point I think.

I think it was interesting that O'Reilly repeatedly stated he would send (sacrifice?) himself for Bush's war(s) rather than his own son or daughter when it is obvious he (O'Reilly) isn't the one that is going to be fighting in any current or future wars. When someone supports a war, the least they can do is be realistic about who is going to be put in harms way and who is going to stay home and watch it on CNN or Fox.

Duemellon

29 Jul 2004, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by FHQWHGADS
They both seemed to hit each other with questions that the other was reluctant to answer squarely and/or adequately.the art of debate has changd from information xchang into asking trappin questions.

Proposin a preposturous situation where the only answr makes the questionee hav to chose between 2 answers that r xtremes is not debate it's a trap.

A woman asks u if their jeans make them look fat. It's a y/n question, but u can't answr it that way.

onest2.0

29 Jul 2004, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by Phreon
So when replying to allegations that he's nothing more than a Democrat mouthpiece, did Moore make his own bed by stating he's just trying to report the facts and then later sitting with Jimmy Carter at the DNC?

Believe Moore, Limbaugh, Rosen or Hannity's "facts" if you like. Either way, it's hook, line and sinker for you.

Phreon

I don't have to look to Moore for the facts, I already knew much of what he put in F9/11. And I'm not going to stop knowing them as facts just because Michael Moore decided to present them in his way as well.

You speak as if Jimmy Carter is the leader of democratic party or plays a bigger part than the that of the granddaddy.
If you had the chance to sit with Jimmy Carter, would you turn it down?

FitterHappier

29 Jul 2004, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by onest2.0
If you had the chance to sit with Jimmy Carter, would you turn it down?

The fact that he's also a Nobel Peace Prize winner doesn't hurt the appeal of rubbing elbows. Plus, and take this for what it's worth, Moore said that Carter had asked him to sit next to him.