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Wolverine
24 Jun 2004, 02:55 PM
Conservatives Try To Get TV Ads For 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Pulled
Group Thinks Ads Violate Campaign Finance Law

POSTED: 2:54 pm EDT June 24, 2004

WASHINGTON -- A conservative group asked federal election officials on Thursday to investigate whether television ads for director Michael Moore's anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" violate campaign finance law regulating when commercials may feature a presidential candidate.

The Federal Election Commission might take months to issue a ruling on the complaint, making it unlikely the commission would act in time to affect the film's ad campaign. The two-hour documentary, which depicts President George W. Bush as lazy and oblivious to warnings in summer 2001 that al-Qaida was poised to strike, opens nationwide on Friday.

The group Citizens United contended that commercials for "Fahrenheit 9/11" fall under federal campaign finance law. Regulations prohibit the use of corporate money to air ads identifying a presidential candidate in the 30 days before his party's nominating convention and the 60 days before the Nov. 2 election.

Bush will be nominated by the GOP during its New York convention Aug. 30-Sept. 2. Citizens United argued that "Fahrenheit 9/11" ads that identify Bush and are paid for with corporate money should be banned after July 31.

Moore called the complaint "a blatant attempt on the part of a right-wing, Republican-sponsored group to stop people from seeing my movie." He said he would fight the complaint, and members of the Congressional Black Caucus appearing with him at a news conference near the Capitol promised to help.

"It's a violation of my First Amendment rights that I cannot advertise my movie. It's a movie," Moore said. "I have not publicly endorsed John Kerry. I am an independent, I am not a member of the Democratic Party."

An exemption to the law frees a wide array of media organizations from the ban on the use of corporate money for ads identifying federal candidates close to elections. Moore, an Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker, and the film might be covered by the media exemption.

Citizens United contends that "Fahrenheit 9/11" is propaganda and doesn't qualify for the media exemption. It is among conservative groups that have tried to mobilize the public against the film, arguing that Moore's portrayal of the Bush administration is inaccurate.

The group's complaint names Moore; companies involved in the film's marketing and distribution, including Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., Cablevision Systems Corp., Viacom International; and brothers Harvey and Bob Weinstein, executives at the film company Miramax who formed a separate company to find a way to distribute Moore's film.

The complaint also contends that because Lions Gate is foreign-owned, the ads are subject to a ban on the use of foreign money for ads identifying presidential candidates close to elections.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" won the top honor at last month's Cannes Film Festival. Moore and his distributors lost their appeal Tuesday to lower its rating from R to PG-13.

The FEC issued a decision Thursday on ads involving another film, but commissioners said it doesn't address Moore or ads promoting "Fahrenheit 9/11." In that ruling, the FEC told an Arizona man he couldn't use corporate money to run ads promoting his documentary film and identifying Bush and congressional candidates close to the election.

David Hardy, president of the Bill of Rights Educational Foundation in Tucson, Ariz., had asked the commission for its advice on whether he could use foundation money for the ads. Hardy didn't ask the commission whether his ads would qualify for the media exemption.

http://www.foxreno.com/politics/3456860/detail.html

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onest2.0
24 Jun 2004, 03:11 PM
Hmm, Citizens United

I guess the "under God" part is implied.

slow-dog
24 Jun 2004, 03:41 PM
Hopefully, the commission will rule against Moore, because then it will be painfully obvious how poorly conceived the campaign finance laws are, and McCain-Feingold will be repealed.....

onest2.0
24 Jun 2004, 03:53 PM
Would you feel the same if it was an advertisement for a book rather than a movie?

BigSugar
24 Jun 2004, 04:25 PM
that's about as interesting as the Arizona Democratic Party suing to keep Nader off the ballot in AZ. yawn.

Duemellon
24 Jun 2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by onest2.0
Would you feel the same if it was an advertisement for a book rather than a movie? yes. I'm/w SDog on this one.

If it's critical of someone runnin for office in that time then it's political in nature & must b considerd in the area of a campaign advertisement. Right?

mcCain/FGold was an illconceivd & pointless piece of legislation.

but I'm sure our FGold could'v done a better job. BTW, where has he been lately?

slow-dog
24 Jun 2004, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by onest2.0
Would you feel the same if it was an advertisement for a book rather than a movie?

Yes. I think CFR is a bad law, restricts free speech--and arguably the most important type of speech--and should be repealed. I'm not rooting for Moore's movie to be supressed because I don't want people to see it, I'm rooting for an absurd restriction on speech to illustrate how dumb the law is, and force a change in the law. However that happens works for me, but I think that Moore's case has the best chance of mobilizing forces that would probably be silent if a similar ruling was made that, say, restricted activities by the new NRA-funded broadcasting station.

tobedawg
24 Jun 2004, 11:20 PM
I find this to be ridiculous as well..

Michael Moore obviously isn't campaigning for George W Bush and IS NOT A Democrat.. Moore had even stated that we should "watch John Kerry just as closely if he becomes President".. He DID campaign for Nader in 2000, but has withdrawn support for him as well this year..

The Repubs will attempt any loophole possible to try to keep people from seeing this film, but it's already too late..

Did anybody see Michael Moore comment about this on "The Daily Show" tonight? He hopes that the Repubs keep trying to get the film from being seen, more controversy = more awareness of the film..

In the words of The Happy Texan, "Bring 'em On!"

DaysWithoutEnd
25 Jun 2004, 03:01 PM
From CNN.com
"This is a film that doesn't require us to actually view it to know it's filled with factual inaccuracies," said White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett.

drexel dave
25 Jun 2004, 11:50 PM
after seeing the film, it's quite obvious why the Republicans would want nobody to see the film.

cockney rebel
26 Jun 2004, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by drexel dave
after seeing the film, it's quite obvious why the Republicans would want nobody to see the film.
Abso-fucking-lutely.... it's bloody difficult to argue with the truth which is why the Republicans all have their knickers twisted up in their ringpieces over this move.

Dan Bartlett's comment is classic though isn't it? In keeping with the "We don't have to send weapons inspectors in to know there's some there" comments of over a year - and several thousands unnecessary deaths - ago.

In F9/11 Bush comes across as a clueless twat with absolutely no sense of gravitas or 'stature'. He reminded me of a modern day Jerry Lewis - except that JL did it for laughs (oh, and the French actually like him).

As DD has said in another thread "everybody should see this movie".

Word.