A completely unrelated series of sociopolitical thoughts

[Duemellon]

Same idea as the Randomville one, but it's intended for ppl to just put up some statement or quipp.

I'm not sure if this is going to turn into a thread where ppl bash each other about their views, but I was hoping it'd just be a bulletin board where ppl placed whatever irks them and they just wanted to shout it out.

[Duemellon]

Why is it that if an ugly guy sits next to a coworker and starts asking how their weekend went 3x in a row it's sexual harassment but when a cute guy tells her she has beautiful eyes, or tells her that her man is treating her bad it's flattering?

I have a problem with ppl who are positive they are gay and are still in the closet. I'm more pissed at the society that keeps them scared to come out, but wish they'd all just, one day, BAAAAAM! bust out and scare the bejeezus out of the traditionalist society.

Why don't engine-oil prices fluctuate as wildly as combustion oil? Heck, why doesn't patroleum jelly fluctuate?

There should be more wars started about farmable lands than oil and money.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Urban sprawl is bad.

Consumerism is killing society.

[bluelupis]

Condoms are overpriced for a society trying to control population and STDs. The free ones are at abortion clinics and planned parenthood joints and how trust worthy are they or any of them. In a society where we are surrounded by sex and virginity and abstinence is a rarity, we are still grabbing monies before public safety.

[72valiant]

no comment. i thought the title was sociopathic thoughts.

[Duemellon]

Why are almost all of the conversations we have with the common person about irrelevent things that reveal nothing about their personalities like weather, sports, or the lottery?

Why do we consider it so freakin' akward to reveal who we are in casual conversations? I think the reason we steer away from (or hurt) ppl who share so much so quickly is a sign of a greater flaw in our society.

[daphne]

Originally posted by bluelupis
Condoms are overpriced for a society trying to control population and STDs. The free ones are at abortion clinics and planned parenthood joints and how trust worthy are they or any of them. In a society where we are surrounded by sex and virginity and abstinence is a rarity, we are still grabbing monies before public safety.

damn straight!

[Duemellon]

http://cagle.slate.msn.com//news/Taxes/Moretaxes/030402/%7B3BF436DB-06FE-4F13-96D8-C8.gif

[classicgrrl]

I effin' hate hummers. can somebody repost that website where everybody takes pics of themselves giving the finger to hummers?

thanks!

edited to add: I changed fuckin to effin because I am afraid the moderator would make me do it anyway. I hate that too.

[lawdog]

Originally posted by classicgrrl
I effin' hate hummers. can somebody repost that website where everybody takes pics of themselves giving the finger to hummers?

thanks!

edited to add: I changed fuckin to effin because I am afraid the moderator would make me do it anyway. I hate that too.

What!? I love hummers!

Oh, you mean, the big, silly looking, SUV's? Never mind...

[mattsledge]

Hey, Hummers is a club in Fairfield!

[yoshomon]

Originally posted by Duemellon
I have a problem with ppl who are positive they are gay and are still in the closet. I'm more pissed at the society that keeps them scared to come out, but wish they'd all just, one day, BAAAAAM! bust out and scare the bejeezus out of the traditionalist society.

I'm queer (though not gay) and moreorless in the closet to folks other than my friends. I sympathize with those who remain silent. Why the fuck do I have to turn my sexuality into something to scare "traditionalist" society with? Why do you have a problem with me coming out whenever I want to (or for that matter, never at all if I want to)? Do you even know what coming out really means?

I hope your joking because comments like this tick me off. If you want people to come out, then be an ally to GLBTAQ folks all the time, wherever you are. For a lot of people, coming out means exposing themselves to the threat of violence or isolation.

Ugh.

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by yoshomon
For a lot of people, coming out means exposing themselves to the threat of violence or isolation.and that, right there, is my problem. It ain't with the GLBT ppl, it's with the society of intimidation and conformity.

So, I wish they would all just come out, show this society they really didn't have anything to fear all along, and bring this stupid chapter in our society to a close.

One day our society will be such a way that no one will have to "come out" that is what you want, that's what I want.

ok... see...
Those ppl who are positive they are GLBT but hide it are doing a disservice to the rest of the world. If the society wasn't the way it is they wouldn't have to hide, nor would they have to fight it. Is it better to hide or fight? When is the right time to fight? Would soemone who spends day & night fearing being discovered ever find the right time to fight?

If they don't come out they'll never kno just how not-alone they are. If they don't come out, the small-minded society will have no reason to rethink itself. If they don't come out there's no confrontation.

I blame the society more than the person, but I'm heartbroken for them that they have to hide who they are and ...

wait, this is just random thoughts here... u wanna talk about this start a thread!

[yvette7ica]

Who in the hell are the "Jones" and why should I try to keep up with them?

Why do people look at you oddly when you disclose to them that you have no interest in giving birth and would prefer to adopt?

Why do people complain about gas prices when they have a gas guzzling car? Ex. friend of mine was at the gas station when a lady was filling up her SUV she had just bought that day. She turns to him and says "Damn, $30 in gas. That's enough to feed two people!" Maybe she should have looked into that before buying the car. :rolleyes:

[The Mad Hater]

my brother contends that Republicans drink Pepsi and drive Chevy's. I contend the exact opposite...wouldn't it stand to reason that the conservative side of the fence would drink the cola that's been around longer, and drive the vehicle that has more of a good 'ol boy reputation?

this analogy works out perfectly for me, as I am a conservative leaning centrist: I drink Coke and LOATHE Pepsi, and I would drive a Chevy through a giant unwashed asshole before I would drive a Ford around the block.

[Duemellon]

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/04/15/loc_bronson15.html

Bronson is truly one of those close-minded blind ppl. He is upset that ppl are disrupting the council meetings and lambasts them for using racial slurs and profanity but doesn't even hint on why they're there.

He just assumes they're there to be disruptive. The same way we're told to view terrorists: They don't have a purpose/misison/ideal, they just love to hurt others.

whatever.
:rolleyes:

and how many things can you get wrong?
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SAUDIS_BIN_LADEN?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I mean, can't u see the damage was already done by posting the original story? Ppl believed that crap and aren't going to bother reading the "fix-it".

[yoshomon]

Pfft. Don't really want to start a thread because you didn't really read my post.

[Megs79]

Originally posted by yvette7ica
Why do people look at you oddly when you disclose to them that you have no interest in giving birth and would prefer to adopt?

I admire you for that.

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by yoshomon
Pfft. Don't really want to start a thread because you didn't really read my post. we may be having pronoun trouble...

the "you" was that me? b/c it sounded, when I read it, that yours wasn't a continuation of my post, or a spawn of it, but a direct response/rebuttal.

If you were espousing on it... damn those pronouns! damn them to Sharonville!

[yoshomon]

Due, I dun want to assume anything about your sexuality, and I won't. Regardless of whether you are GLBTAQ or not (I honestly have no idea if you are), your post about wanting folks to come out was really heterosexist and arrogant. I dun think you meant it to be.

Random thought:
Those who proclaimed that "the Reichstag is burning!" when the WTC got hit now have among their ranks some families of the victims of the tragedy. The commission certainly hasn't dismissed this theory yet...

[Duemellon]

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAQ_MILITARY?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=HOME

The decision, announced by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, breaks a promise to soldiers who were assured when they arrived in Iraq that they would stay no more than one year. By extending their tours of duty by three months, the Pentagon is acknowledging that the insurgency has ruined its plans to reduce the size of the U.S. military presence this spring.

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Stay awhile... staaaaaay foreverrrrrrr!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid112/p437ee15f27eb7a4b39ab2f8105432817/f8ff8da1.jpg

and Yosh, it is arrogant but only after the fact...
I'm saddened the fact that our society would terrorize ppl b/c of their natural sexual tendencies and those who sexually experiment in responsible ways. As a tactic, if every non-traditional sexed person just all came out in one day all the fearful homo/transphobes would find themselves facing a truth they weren't prepared for and the issue would come to a head.

tactically speaking, a lot of ppl would die, a lot of violence, and such, but it'd be over as they are forced to face the reality of humanity: sexuality is only important to who you're fuck!n

it's a bit of an extreme wish.

[yoshomon]

You're having trouble understanding this. Stop dreaming about what GLBTAQ folks should do to "take down the establishment" and start being a good ally. Stop thinking of GLBTAQ people as a means to an end.

[IPrayForSound]

What's the "A" for? And when did the extra letters get added?

Um....random thought....uh....SOMEONE ELSE FOR PRESIDENT!

[yoshomon]

gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered/ambisexual/queer.

somebody who is with men, women, and transgendered folks isn't bisexual. get it? queer has a million meanings. even GLBTAQ isn't enough, but it covers most of the bases. I know polyamorous, genderqueer, and genderfuck folks. Plus, all of the above can be mixed (for example, transgendered bisexual queers)

ps. due, your original comment was arrogant as hell. the things you said "after the fact" didn't make it any better.

Random thought:
There are female insurgents fighting in the streets of Iraq against the imperialist occupation. There have been Iraqis calling for internationalism...

[IPrayForSound]

Cool cool...is there a pretty concrete definition of "queer"? An explainable concept behind the term (as opposed to the epithet)?

Random thought - Our county is suing itself. That's just fucked.

[yoshomon]

Queer has a million different definitions. For me, it means being bisexual/ambisexual. A lot of folks who call themselves queer do it because they dun feel like they fall into any single category or definition.

Like cunt, queer is a word that was "reclaimed from patriarchy" and is now usually an empowering term. Obviously, cunt is still an insulting, gross word to a lot of people - but most feminist oriented women I know use it as a positive. There's an awesome book titled 'Cunt: A Declaration of Independence' about that (and a million other things). I recommend it!

Random thought:
The Clinton and Bush regimes could have prevented 9-11 by ending the 200+ years of U.S. aggression and terrorism around the world. If you want people to like you, the first thing you need to do is stop beating them up and killing them. The situation in Iraq this week is a perfect example. Iraqis may not have liked Saddam Hussein, but they remember how the U.S. put Saddam into power, armed him to the teeth, aided him in the Iraq-Iran war, baited him into invading Kuwait so the U.S. could bury alive Iraqi conscripts, and then killed half a million Iraqi babies via sanctions. The Clinton and Bush regimes could also have forced a resolution in the Palestine-Israel conflict by reading Israel the riot act and cancelling all aid to Israel.

[solomon]

Random thought:

People need to be aware of the Broken Window Fallacy. Bastiat has this figured out in the 1800s and this still has most americans fooled to this day and rears its ugly head in many different forms all over modern politics. For those unfamiliar with it, here's a link.

Broken Window Fallacy (http://www.phatnav.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Broken_window_fallacy)

Sol

[Duemellon]

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TRANSGENDER_KILLING?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=HOME

HAYWARD, Calif. (AP) -- The attorney for one of three men on trial for the slaying of a transgender teen said his client acted out of shame and revulsion upon discovering that he had sex with a man.
...
"It brought shame and humiliation, shock and revulsion," said Michael Thorman, the attorney for Michael Magidson, 23.
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strange how that works eh? Shame and humiliation for him having sex with a biologic male drove him to kill, but the shame and humiliation of psychologically being a female in a male's body caused the victim to hide it?

Shame & humiliation is not an naturally occuring emotion. It needs a society to give the emotion something to be shameful & humiliated about.

[IPrayForSound]

Remember those contractors in Iraq? Of course you do. Anywho, by buddy just found out that a job like those is his for the taking (not necessarily just his, but if he asks, he'll be accepted). He found out from another guy he knows who's actually taking them up on the offer. Anywho, for being a mercenary or soldier of fortune (military speak for "contractor"), you get $120,000. For 6 months. Damn.

[Megs79]

Originally posted by IPrayForSound
Anywho, for being a mercenary or soldier of fortune (military speak for "contractor"), you get $120,000. For 6 months. Damn.

Do you get a bonus for making it back alive?

[Sovrana]

Originally posted by Duemellon


strange how that works eh? Shame and humiliation for him having sex with a biologic male drove him to kill, but the shame and humiliation of psychologically being a female in a male's body caused the victim to hide it?



I'm not so sure I am comfortable with the direction your arguments of late have been taking on this Due...I've not figured out exactly why they are troublesome, but on this point I think what you should ask is:

Shame and humiliation for having sex, but what about the shame and humiliation for murdering him?

I think the defense is a disturbing and homophobic attempt to appeal to....well....homophobes.

[Duemellon]

Originally posted by Sovrana
I think the defense is a disturbing and homophobic attempt to appeal to....well....homophobes. yep.

if they win this case using that defense it will be an embarassment to our society and a few hundred steps backwards.

[Fourthisto]

From now on, we should have a President of one political party, and a Vice President of the opposing party in office at the same time. Then every four years, they switch.

Example:

Rite now : GW Prez and Gore VP
Next time around: Demo Prez and Rep VP

No single party would have too much power at one time.

Elections would be held in November to vote for the new Prez out of let's say a half dozen Demo. canidates for Prez and with the 'publicans, vice-a versa. (Ahahaha!! GET IT??!?!?! ROTFLAHOJ)

[Duemellon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster
Noah Webster
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Noah Webster (October 16, 1758 - April 15, 1843) was an American lexicographer, textbook author, and spelling reformer.

Webster published his first dictionary of the English language in 1806, and in 1828 published the first edition of his An American Dictionary of the English Language, whose title reveals his ambitions (copyrighted on April 14th that year). Webster changed the spelling of many words in his dictionaries in an attempt to make them more phonetic. Many of the differences between American English and other English variants evident today originated this way.

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Sad day for diversity and the retardation of a living language.

As noble as his reasoning was, the application of such has lead to the stifling of imagination and redirection of linguist evolution towards traditionalism.

u'kno I couldn't let this day go unnoticed! This post is about 90% sarcasm, fyi

[Rafe]

Why don't people like Romany's very much? My Grandad was a really nice bloke, but some people wouldn't talk to him much because of his heritage, apparently.

[bjk15]

why the hell don't people ever really try to look at something from a different vantage point, its ridicurous, and then maybe they will stop the hate that ... they hate

and why the mother what do people listen to freaking dr. phil, if i told some random people that crap, shoot

oh yeah, and how come someone can't have an opinion without offending someone, if i spoke for same sex marriages, bam conservatives, if i want to speak against the bam, i'm obviously an old man who can't accept change, damn, its a free world baby, let me live

[yoshomon]

Originally posted by bjk15
its a free world baby, let me live

It's not a free world for those on the recieving end of others "freedom" to privelege, hate, psychological abuse, and violence.

Should someone have the freedom to burn a cross when that steps on someone else's freedom to not be terrorized and threatened? Should teachers have the freedom to teach kids to hate homosexuals?

Freedom is such a contradiction in a capitalist (not to mention racist and patriarchal) society.

[Duemellon]

A person can't say "nigger" in a public forum as a slight against the Mayor without being banned from speaking instantly for more than a month but a Cincy cop has to say it three separate and documented times before they are disciplined.

Heck, council is trying to fine & imprison ppl for calling Luken a nigger, but they'll let a cop call a black person a nigger to their face two times for free].

Cincinnati Justice
No hipocracy, only equality since 2001, 24/7.

[IPrayForSound]

http://www.alternet.org/stuff/rowsofcoffins.jpg
Looks like someone doesn't care that they're
not allowed to take pictures of the dead.

[Duemellon]

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TERRORISM_AP_POLL?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=HOME

Fears about an attack against this country are high. Two-thirds in the poll said it was likely terrorists would strike before the November elections. And a third said it was likely there would be an attack at one of the political conventions this summer.

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What a crazy question to ask.

I mean, really, if there is a sizable amount of the population who believes that Prez. Gump is using terror to control the country these questions seem quite loaded.

oh well. Still too many ppl are scared...
Was it me that said we'd hit orange before election?

[Duemellon]

I don't understand anti-tech ppl. Where does the tech-rollback stop? Why remove the fruits of our creativity, discovery, and achievement?

Invention is actually our evolution. Instead of waiting for happenstance, or some great spirit, to genetically randomize our genes until we sprouted wings in 50-60mm years, we built a plane after 16mm.

Spears are technology. Control of fire is technology. Once you get your primative world someone will eventually invent something new, independent of all other things previously hidden/destroyed/banned.

Technology is good. Abuse of technology is the same situation as the abuse of power. It's like blaming the gun for the shooting.

[Duemellon]

YAY!

We help celebrate Saddam Hussien's birthday, traditionally an Iraqi holiday, by carpet bombing and broad-spectrum artillery-shelling the Holy Fvck out of an Iraqi town! Fallujah

I guess we're just suckers for tradition.

Tell me again how the civilian population can tell the difference between US forces and the Republican Guard?

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Silly conservatives, d*cks are for queers.

[IPrayForSound]

Bush To Iraqi Militants: 'Please Stop Bringing It On'
WASHINGTON, DC—In an internationally televised statement Monday, President Bush modified a July 2003 challenge to Iraqi militants attacking U.S. forces. "Terrorists, Saddam loyalists, and anti-American insurgents: Please stop bringing it on now," Bush said at a Monday press conference. "Nine months and 500 U.S. casualties ago, I may have invited y'all to bring it on, but as of today, I formally rescind that statement. I would officially like for you to step back." The president added that the "it" Iraqis should stop bringing includes gunfire, bombings, grenade attacks, and suicide missions of all types.

[IPrayForSound]

http://www.horkulated.com/images/bush_sticker10.gif
Heh heh.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Hee, hee. Nice one.

[Duemellon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution

In the animal kingdom
In 1998 Dr. Fiona Hunter (of Cambridge University in the UK) and Dr. Lloyd Davis (of the University of Otago in New Zealand) reported that they had observed female penguins trading sexual favours with single male penguins for stones (necessary for nest-building) on Ross Island. When penguins take a mate, they are usually monogamous. All the female penguins who exchanged sex for stones did it behind the backs of their male partners who apparently never caught their mates in flagrante delicto.

Stones for nest-building are in short supply on Ross Island. This scarcity may be one of the motivations for some of the small percentage of female penguins who go on the game. However, Dr. Hunter believes that other factors may also be involved, especially since the female may only take a couple of stones in payment for her services even though hundreds may be required to build a nest. The females could be assessing the potential of single males in case their mate dies, for example. For the single male penguins, it is speculated that their only motivation is their own pleasure.

This is believed to be the first time prostitution has been recorded in the animal kingdom. Trading sex for food etc. within a relationship between animals is, however, much more common.[1]

[yoshomon]

Time magazine has interviewed Jumpei Yasuda, one of the Japanese hostages set free by Iraqi kidnappers. "The man who pointed his gun at me told me he was walking on the sidewalk and was arrested by the GIs when he wouldn't answer their questions," Yasuda said. "He said he was imprisoned for almost a month and regularly beaten up. One day, he said, he was taken to a private room and sexually assaulted. He asked me what I would have done if I were him, and I had no answer."

[Duemellon]

Convictions create change.

They also create division between tradition and radicalism.

To hold onto an unpopular conviction will mean you are unpopular whenever the conflict arises.

Can you sacrifice what you have come to expect to be inclusion, sympathy, and respect, for a moral stance that those who will withhold such things will disagree?

How many friends, allies, and apathetic people are you willing to let become enemies, dissenters, and self-righteous indignant medlers?

Can your conviction be the shoulder for you to cry on when your love leaves you? Can your conviction raise you money for the bus ride home? Can your conviction raise your child, grow you food, or wonder how you are doing?

In a world that would excommunicate you for this conviction you would truly be alone. Is this conviction that powerful that you would rather live the life of a hermit than in the company of those who would disagree?

My convictions run deep, and thankfully the depth some of them have were rarely tested in such extremes. Some buckled, some withstood.

[Duemellon]

http://www.netal.org/american%20flag%20boy%20and%20dog.jpg

of course he has a gun... why wouldn't he?

[Slugworth]

Originally posted by yoshomon
Time magazine has interviewed Jumpei Yasuda, one of the Japanese hostages set free by Iraqi kidnappers. "The man who pointed his gun at me told me he was walking on the sidewalk and was arrested by the GIs when he wouldn't answer their questions," Yasuda said. "He said he was imprisoned for almost a month and regularly beaten up. One day, he said, he was taken to a private room and sexually assaulted. He asked me what I would have done if I were him, and I had no answer."

I would have answered "NOT sexually assaulted me."

But that's just the "Not wanting to be sexually assaulted by an irate Iraqi" part of me talking.

[Duemellon]

This will b the last time we here from this editorial person...
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/05/07/editorial_eric.html

read the whole thing, the punchline is at the end

[Duemellon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%F6ring

Hermann Göring
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
...
He is often quoted (from the Nuremberg Trial) as saying on the art of manufacturing consent: "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

[aqualou]

http://www.highpointchamber.org/images/ClipArtPhotos/TomShell.jpg

[yoshomon]

If I were fierce, and bald, and short of breath
I'd live with scarlet Majors at the base
and speed glum heroes up the line to death
you'd see me with my puffy petulant face
guzzling and gulping in the best hotel
reading the roll of honor, "poor young chap"
I'd say, "I used to know his father well.
Yes, we've lost heavily in this last scrap"
and when the war is done and youth stone dead
I'd toddle safely home and die in bed.

[Duemellon]

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GANG_TERROR_CHARGE?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=HOME

May 14, 4:49 AM EDT

Gang Members Indicted on Terror Charges
By LUKAS I. ALPERT
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- Nineteen members of a street gang accused of menacing their neighborhood have been indicted on murder and other charges as acts of terror, believed to be the first use of the state's anti-terrorism law against a gang.uhm, there are already criminal charges available for intimidatioin, racketeering, and such, why must they invoke "terror" on it?

Great, it's starting to spread now, soon "Terror charges" will be synomous with the National Citizen's Patirot Force, or something supa-scary like that.

[yoshomon]

http://www.weeklydig.com/issueimages/CX_SAM.gif

[bjk15]

i guess i should preface this little story by saying i'm sorry for bringing up the topic... and i'm not black, but still i've got some words to tell

Ok, here's the deal. First of all, I didn't care for these two 'ladies' that work in my lab before this incident either. They used to leave their purses on their tables in the lab without properly storing them (the one's desk is literally two feet from the door). So one day, one of those two 'ladies' left the door open with no one in either of the adjacent labs (one group, two lab rooms). Sooner or later something is bound to happen and this one day her carelessness led to their wallets out of their purse being snatched. This is last week Tuesday. Security came and they talked about the incident with just those two. Now a week later (yesterday) and in another lab, another ladies purse was pilfered (she's ok) under a different scenario but because one of her labmates left the door open.

Now when the security questioned her, they asked her if it could have been this black man (that has worked in our lab all year). Of course, since she wasn't there she said maybe and of course since security mentions it then it will cross her mind. The reason why is because those first two bitches 'suspected' that it might have been him. And even $hittier, they have been talking to him all week like they all still get along. I just found out the accusations today from another source and it was a damn good thing for them that the day was over and they were gone. This man is so much a better human being than either one of those two fvcking bitches. Even $hittier yet was the look on his face when I told him that they were accusing him behind his back. So, the one bitch is gone for the rest of the week. you're lucky. The other one, tomorrow you better watch yourself because your racist a$$ is in fucking hot water. How dare you try to fvck someone over for your own stupidity. I'm so sick and tired of this bullshit. Own up to your own mistakes and stop trying to put the blame on someone else just so you can feel better. And if this $hit happens again in any manner, then someone is going to pay, i can guarantee, because i can't take this any more. and especially if you were a man, then you'd better be watching your back because i won't tolerate this bull$hit and especially not to one of my boys... when the fvck will people learn, damn this $hit pi$$es me off.

[classicgrrl]

Originally posted by Frost
well written article about the fictional country of iraq (http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/05/16/editorial_ed2a.html)

thats the first piece of decent writing about this whole mess....

thank you for the post.

[Duemellon]

:( & :D

http://theonion.com/opinion/index.php?issue=4020

[Duemellon]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/ALHG10306122359.html?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

http://hosted.ap.org/photos/ALHG10306122359-big.jpg
Confederate re-enactors with the Alabama Division carry the casket of Alberta Martin into the First Assembly of God in Elba, Ala., Saturday, June 12, 2004. Dr. Ken Chancey, front right, helped to organize the services. Martin, the last widow of a Civil War veteran, died May 31 at age 97. Martin was 21 when she met and married William Jasper Martin, 81, in 1927. He served as a private in the 4th Alabama Infantry Regiment in the Civil War, and died in 1932. (AP Photo/Haraz Ghanbari)


Reenactors? So if it's a reenactment when do they get shot by the Yanks or Lee surrenders to the Union?

u ain't risin again, u'r failin again, & again. Keep reenactin, maybe u'll get the message: YOU FUCKIN LOST!

[yoshomon]

http://ledpup.dyns.net/Treason/TINAC/InOurSpectacularSociety.gif

[Duemellon]

Ode to the Dollar

Ah yes, wonderful heartless money.
You are greatly loved, but never love back.
Much like a vamp of a woman, or a lecherous child,
You take affection, attention, and admiration
And recipricate with dispassion.

We chase you like the lovely maiden,
Or perhaps the handsome bachelor.
Who has everything they need to be themselves.
You don't need us to exist.
You don't need us to exist.
You don't need us to exist.

Just like the lovely bachelor, we need you.
We call to you in the night longing for your care.
Just like the handsome maiden, we pine for you.
We serenade you, give you pet names, and our time.

We foresake our children, our spouses, our health.
We overlook our Gods, our friends, our morals.
Like love, we get from you all we can
And beg the whole day through for more.

So few have taken the time to really see
You've done so little to help them or me.
You just lay there tempting us to chase
The paper diva, the dapper copper face.

[angryj5]

Originally posted by yoshomon


It's not a free world for those on the recieving end of others "freedom" to privelege, hate, psychological abuse, and violence.

Should someone have the freedom to burn a cross when that steps on someone else's freedom to not be terrorized and threatened? Should teachers have the freedom to teach kids to hate homosexuals?

Freedom is such a contradiction in a capitalist (not to mention racist and patriarchal) society.

why do you have to be so goddamn honest and pessimistic all the time? why cant you tell us something sad then make up for it by swinging your golfclub for the cameras?

edit: spelling

[yoshomon]

On the June 11 nationally syndicated broadcast of The Radio Factor, host Bill O'Reilly claimed that poor people in the United States are "irresponsible and lazy"; "didn't make any money" during the 1990s; and "will never make any money because ... you can't compete ... if you are addicted and ill-educated." In fact, poor Americans did make economic gains in the 1990s.

Discussing former President Ronald Reagan's handling of "racial politics," O'Reilly made clear that he believes all people in poverty are "irresponsible and lazy" and explained that laziness, drug addiction, and lack of education are the only causes of poverty...

[postfeminist]

ketchup is a vegetable. that's all i need to know.

postfeminist, master of education
[for real! i have got my M.Ed. degree last week.]

[Duemellon]

My father shared /w me a few things white ppl hav said/demandd of him.

u'kno, when they're tryin to xplain "what's right"

____________________
Self-deluded White Guy
"I want my daughter to end up /w children that look like me"

Father
"Why? Your daughter doesn't look like you. You hav dark hair, and dark mediterranean skin. You daughter is pale & blonde haired."
____________________
White Guy During "Diversity Training"
"Why do blacks hav to make such a deal out of this? They can just dress like us, & talk like us, & no one will care."

Father
"Hey Mr. Grunblatt, (some other guy who was remarkably quiet) I bet most of these ppl didn't even know u were Jewish." (with a "But they somehow figured out I was black" look)

[Phreon]

Originally posted by yoshomon
On the June 11 nationally syndicated broadcast of The Radio Factor, host Bill O'Reilly claimed that poor people in the United States are "irresponsible and lazy"; "didn't make any money" during the 1990s; and "will never make any money because ... you can't compete ... if you are addicted and ill-educated." In fact, poor Americans did make economic gains in the 1990s.

Discussing former President Ronald Reagan's handling of "racial politics," O'Reilly made clear that he believes all people in poverty are "irresponsible and lazy" and explained that laziness, drug addiction, and lack of education are the only causes of poverty...

Has there ever been any question that O'Reilly is an inflamed choad?

Phreon

[yoshomon]

http://www.angrylittlegirls.com/images/04.03.29s.gif

[Duemellon]

The "Say Something Funny" that has made me laugh the most so far:

http://www.theonionavclub.com/ssf/index.php?issue=4025

Patton Oswalt
Sixteen things I would be willing to vote for instead of George W. Bush:

[Duemellon]

horrible commercial for Gdub that will get free pub from me b/c it's so bad

http://www.georgewbush.com/VideoAndAudio/

the "Kerry's Coalition of the Wild-Eyed"

1st:
Just a bad commercial. Anythin that is supposd to put those ppl in a bad light is lost b/c their statements r so out of context/w each other they don't hav a cohesive string until the end. Even that ending statement is a minor recognition. So they speak angrily about the prez? So what?

2nd:
Some of the statements they make r true. This ad won't sway anyone, only polarize. If u don't believe in the prez's war, then what they say sounds true. If u beleive in the prez's war, then what they say will offend u. This does nothin for the swing voters.

3rd:
Injection of Hitler: Bo69 Code: 65468694w6213 automatically disqualifies their message.

[yoshomon]

http://chicago.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/11/6-30-04-5.JPG

[DaysWithoutEnd]

I feel bad for Mother Nature these days.

[Necromancer]

Why does everyone feel the need to make everyone else's political views match their own?

[Duemellon]

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/07/13/loc_loc2a.html

Tuesday, July 13, 2004
Burned cross drives family away
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Car windows smashed, too, at home in Boone

By William Croyle
Enquirer contributor

BURLINGTON - A black family has moved out of Boone County after finding a burned cross in their front yard one morning and their car windows smashed out the next.
_________
Just for fun, right?

I assume those ppl didn't mean any harm, they were just playin on ol' stereotypes for a laugh. Maybe just a laugh for themselvs at the xpense of someone else, but a laugh all the same.

damn, I bet they'r still crackin up.

[Shrike]

heard on the news tonight in a brief blurb on cnn head line news that the investigation on the CIA showed that Ambassador Wilson was nominated by his wife to goto Nigeria, and the information he brought back about the yellow uranium actually bolstered the CIA's case on Iraq trying to purchase nukes from Africa in 98 and 99. The British won't let this go either, Blair keeps saying they probably won't find the WMD's, but at the same time the British Secret Service and the coalition government there refuses to deny that Saddam was after nuclear materials in Africa.
Too weird.

[yoshomon]

One of the contradictions of the bourgeoisie in its period of decline is that while it respects the abstract principle of intellectual and artistic creation, it resists actual creations when they first appear, then eventually exploits them. This is because it needs to maintain a certain degree of criticality and experimental research among a minority, but must take care to channel this activity into narrowly compartmentalised utilitarian disciplines and avert any holistic critique and experimentation. In the domain of culture the bourgeoisie strives to divert the taste for innovation, which is dangerous for it in our era, toward certain confused, degraded and innocuous forms of novelty. Through the commercial mechanisms that control cultural activity, avant-garde tendencies are cut off from the segments of society that could support them, segments already limited because of the general social conditions. The people within these tendencies who become well-known are generally accepted as exceptional individuals, on the condition that they accept various renunciations: the essential point is always the renunciation of a comprehensive contestation and the acceptance of fragmentary work susceptible to diverse interpretations. This is what gives the very term “avant-garde,” which in the final analysis is always defined and manipulated by the bourgeoisie, a dubious and ridiculous aspect.

[Duemellon]

...in other words, when a society is threatend, the quasi-intellectuals in charge prevent dissent by resistin controvertial thought (in forms of expression) of any relevence or infectious ability.

[yoshomon]

More importantly, artistic expression that was "radical" and "contraversial" becomes co-opted and part of the spectacle. The bourgeoisie never creates 'avant-garde' art, but it always profits from it eventually.

[Duemellon]

http://free.pages.at/sickworld/idiot_son_of_an_asshole.jpg
At a recent GOP fund raising event President
George W. Bush demonstrates the size of the WoMD
that got away

[yoshomon]

http://subvertise.org/img_med/660.gif

[Duemellon]

I just requested some highly sociopolitical bumperstickers to be made that I designed. I got 5 of 'em & I can't wait until they get here.

Heck, I'm a bit fearfull to put them on my car! But, what they hey... those with oppossing views do it, right? & their assertion is just as absurd.

[Duemellon]

http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/homeSecurity1492_med.jpg

http://www.carryabigsticker.com/images/fighting_since_1492_500.gif

[purple_octopus]

Those are good, Due. Are you planning to sell them?

[Duemellon]

Those are good, Due. Are you planning to sell them?Oh, that's my my bumper sticker. My bumper sticker is much more controversial than that.

& I'd sell them, I ordered 5. One for me & 4 for any interested parties.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/Duemellon/062013340370.jpg

[purple_octopus]

Those are very funny. Not that I'd put one on my car living in Knoxville, TN (even if I were pro-choice).

[Duemellon]

Those are very funny. Not that I'd put one on my car living in Knoxville, TN (even if I were pro-choice).yah, I'm wondering if I"m gonna get my car keyed.

That "pro-choice" one is the one I'm getting. Anyone interested in the other 4?

[purple_octopus]

yah, I'm wondering if I"m gonna get my car keyed.


Fuck those assholes. Every time I see a pro-life sticker (especially the ones with pictures of fetuses), it makes me want to put pictures of abused foster children under their windshield wipers.

[Duemellon]

Fuck those assholes. Every time I see a pro-life sticker (especially the ones with pictures of fetuses), it makes me want to put pictures of abused foster children under their windshield wipers.I was thinking my family might do it,... not those people.

[purple_octopus]

I was thinking my family might do it,... not those people.

Wow, that's really shitty.

[Duemellon]

Wow, that's really shitty.i exaggerate...
but there is that possibility still.

[Shlep]

Why is it that if an ugly guy sits next to a coworker and starts asking how their weekend went 3x in a row it's sexual harassment but when a cute guy tells her she has beautiful eyes, or tells her that her man is treating her bad it's flattering?

I used to wonder this until I did something with the definition of "sexual harrasment" that I don't think I'm supposed to do: take it at face value. Most places define "sexual harrasment" as "inappropriate or [b]unwanted[/i]" touching, comments, et al. Most people don't feel harrassed by being paid compliments by attractive people, and conversely don't like feeling as they're being chatted up or hit on by some ugly guy/girl/

Why don't engine-oil prices fluctuate as wildly as combustion oil? Heck, why doesn't patroleum jelly fluctuate?

Because while they all contain petroleum, their elasticity of demand varies. Most people will easily find alternatives to Vaseline or grill fuel; trying using something other than refined gasoline as go-go juice for your car and see how well it works.

There should be more wars started about farmable lands than oil and money.

Why?

[purple_octopus]

I've always wondered why Republicans will claim that every life is sacred when defending Terry Schiavo yet wholeheartedly endorse the death penalty for criminals. And I've also wondered why Democrats will oppose the death penalty while promoting abortion rights.
Because most pro-life Republicans only deem innocent life to be sacred, while most pro-choice Democrats do not see a fetus as a life in the first place.

[joe_sham_bo]

It's not a pizza until it comes out of the oven. Got it.

Actually it becomes a pizza during the 3rd trimester of baking. It's just a doughy mess before then.

[Duemellon]

Actually it becomes a pizza during the 3rd trimester of baking. It's just a doughy mess before then.It actually doesn't become a person until it has a personality. Heck, some argue that sentience is what makes us "real", at which point it takes some for the sentience to set in.

oh wait... these thoughts are getting related.

Schools are drone factories. Drones are what businesses want. They want unquestioning drones to create things for other (or the same) unquestioning drones to buy while they sit in their ivory towers laughing.

[markalot]

It actually doesn't become a person until it has a personality. Heck, some argue that sentience is what makes us "real", at which point it takes some for the sentience to set in.

oh wait... these thoughts are getting related.

Schools are drone factories. Drones are what businesses want. They want unquestioning drones to create things for other (or the same) unquestioning drones to buy while they sit in their ivory towers laughing.


Frankly, if the school system was that organized we wouldn't have any problems with it.

With the limited budget the schools have they don't have time to work with those kids outside the 'norm'. I wouldn't link that to some kind of pink floyd scenario.

[Shlep]

It actually doesn't become a person until it has a personality. Heck, some argue that sentience is what makes us "real", at which point it takes some for the sentience to set in.

That would mean that there are a disturbing number of fetuses well beyond their 90th trimester walking around who *still* aren't people.

Schools are drone factories. Drones are what businesses want. They want unquestioning drones to create things for other (or the same) unquestioning drones to buy while they sit in their ivory towers laughing.

...yep. In big, overstuffed leather chairs swigging brandy from large snifters and laughing big, loud plutocrat laughs about everything and nothing in general.

[chuxxter]

That would mean that there are a disturbing number of fetuses well beyond their 90th trimester walking around who *still* aren't people.




Wonderful!! I think NYC has cornered the market on this. I work with several of these *fetuses*. :eek:

[Duemellon]

Shelp, I think you're missing the point of this thread...

It's a completely unrelated series of sociopolitical thoughts, not a series of related counter-points.

Toss in some stuff you just thought of. Just observations. You can't base your entire CE/P experience on fighting others, never introducing an original subject/topic or sparking a conversation.

[purple_octopus]

Due, I don't think that was a counter-point. I think it was supposed to be humor. At the very least, I laughed. Why does everything have to be serious?

[DaHood]

That would mean that there are a disturbing number of fetuses well beyond their 90th trimester walking around who *still* aren't people.

Hehehehehe!

It's a completely unrelated series of sociopolitical thoughts, not a series of related counter-points.

Toss in some stuff you just thought of. Just observations.

Who'da thunk this would be back in style?

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAdavisAN.jpg

[Duemellon]

Why does everything have to be serious?Whoa there...

why'd you take it as being "so serious"... honestly. I think you take everything I say as too serious & then retort in like. Relax, this is actually supposed to be a ligherhearted thread. Just random sociopolitical thoughts.

Shlep is simply responding to others' posts, not putting in others. In other words, starting a conversation about the posted thought. Thus relating the thoughts.

bah nvm, you're taking my "suggestion" too seriously. I just want him to toss in ideas, express himself.

[purple_octopus]

Whoa there...

why'd you take it as being "so serious"... honestly. I think you take everything I say as too serious & then retort in like.

Well, you are the only one not laughing... ;)

[Duemellon]

Well, you are the only one not laughing... ;)You missed the italicized "unrelated", when spoken with the proper tone it comes across as being sarcastic & slightly whimsical.

Really, that's an interesting aspect. If you constantly take everything someone says as "serious" or "dramatic" then many people will over-counter-react.

[purple_octopus]

You missed the italicized "unrelated", when spoken with the proper tone it comes across as being sarcastic & slightly whimsical.

Really, that's an interesting aspect. If you constantly take everything someone says as "serious" or "dramatic" then many people will over-counter-react.

There you go, with more seriousness. :p