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DaysWithoutEnd
09 Dec 2003, 02:41 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Tuesday after meeting with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao that he opposes the apparent interest of Taiwan's leaders in taking steps toward independence.

Bush, speaking with reporters after the meeting, said he told the premier, "The United States policy is one China."

"We oppose any unilateral decision by either China or Taiwan to change the status quo," Bush said, "and the comments and actions made by the leader of Taiwan indicate that he may be willing to make decisions unilaterally, to change the status quo, which we oppose."

It was the administration's strongest statement to date in opposition to Taiwan's plan to conduct a referendum on March 20 on whether the Taiwanese people want to demand that China withdraw hundreds of missiles aimed at Taiwan and renounce the use of force against the island.

The administration sees this as an indirect step toward independence, a view shared by Chinese authorities who have threatened military action against the island if the referendum proceeds.

But Wen, refraining from belligerent comments, said China's goal is to pursue peaceful reunification with Taiwan, "as long as a glimmer of hope" exists.

"Stability can only be maintained through unswerving opposition to pro-independence activities," Wen said. He said his country sought to maintain a system of "one country, two systems."

"We will do our utmost to bring about national reunification through peaceful means," Wen said.

"The Chinese government respects the desire of people in Taiwan for democracy, but we must point out that the (Taiwanese leaders) are only using democracy as an excuse and attempt to resort to defensive referendums to split Taiwan away from China," he said. "Such separatist activities are what the Chinese side can absolutely not accept."

In response to a question on trade disputes, Wen said China has been taking steps to reduce the massive U.S. trade deficit, adding that he planned to submit a proposal on this issue during his lunch meeting with Bush and other officials. He gave no hint on what was in the proposal.

U.S.-China trade has come a long way since 25 years ago, Wen said. The combined total was a mere $2.5 billion a year, compared with the current figure of more than $100 billion, he said.

"We have to admit, though, in our economic and trade relationship, problems still exist, and mainly the U.S. trade deficit with China," Wen said, prompting a "thank you" from Bush.

"The Chinese government takes this problem seriously, and has taken measures to improve the situation," Wen said.


CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/09/bush.china.ap/index.html)

matt
09 Dec 2003, 03:12 PM
I just saw this, too. It's all about tha' Benjamins. We'll support any other country that wants to convert to a Democracy (heck, we'll even invade them on false pretences and force them to Democratize), but where the financial ramifications outweigh the moral ramifications, it's a no-brainer for this Administration. Do you really think that the Administration opposes Taiwan's actions because they know China won't hesitate to sink the island to the bottom of the East China Sea? If they piss off China, China will back out of nuclear talks with North Korea, cut off trade ties with the U.S. and set the stage for Communist uprisings all across Asia.

dcXhc
09 Dec 2003, 03:30 PM
You do realize that this is the same policy that Clinton formalized?

President Clinton - June 30, 1998:

"I had a chance to reiterate our Taiwan policy, which is that we don't support independence for Taiwan, or two Chinas, or one Taiwan-one China. And we don't believe that Taiwan should be a member of any organization for which statehood is a requirement."

Clinton also threatened to stop all arms sales to Taiwan if the Taiwanese government took any steps that could be interpreted as favoring independence from the PRC.

You can fault Bush for maintaining a stance on Taiwan that Republicans complained about when Clinton maintained it, but this has been the U.S. policy on Taiwan for the last 30 years.

BigSugar
09 Dec 2003, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by matt
I just saw this, too. It's all about tha' Benjamins. We'll support any other country that wants to convert to a Democracy (heck, we'll even invade them on false pretences and force them to Democratize), but where the financial ramifications outweigh the moral ramifications, it's a no-brainer for this Administration. Do you really think that the Administration opposes Taiwan's actions because they know China won't hesitate to sink the island to the bottom of the East China Sea? If they piss off China, China will back out of nuclear talks with North Korea, cut off trade ties with the U.S. and set the stage for Communist uprisings all across Asia.

which then makes it more about preventing WWIII than it does about tha' Benjamins....right? i mean, the ChiCom's are freakin' nuts, make no mistake....they will indeed destroy Taiwan before they let it go independent....if only to keep the rest of their provinces in line....so kid gloves are in order.....i have no doubt that if a deal could be worked out where war was averted and Taiwan could be independent, the US would support that whole heartedly....

matt
09 Dec 2003, 04:46 PM
Which was the point I was trying to make with the second half of my post. Supporting Taiwan would certainly trigger instability in that region. There is definately more at stake by supporting Taiwan than, say, Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan in the '90's. I don't recall Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan or Carter ever invading a country on false pretenses or for any other reason for that matter.

I read the Clinton stance as a non-policy. What does/did he support then? I read it as saying that he won't support them independently or separately from China. What "organization" is he referring to?

IPrayForSound
09 Dec 2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by matt
I don't recall Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan or Carter ever invading a country on false pretenses or for any other reason for that matter.Okay...

Clinton - Bosnia
Bush Sr. - Kuwait/Saudi Arabia/Iraq
Reagan - Grenada
Carter - Iran

Okay, so that's one instance each that I bothered to type out...

dcXhc
09 Dec 2003, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by matt
I read the Clinton stance as a non-policy. What does/did he support then? I read it as saying that he won't support them independently or separately from China. What "organization" is he referring to?

By "organization" I believe he was specifically referring to the U.N. which won't give Taiwan admission since it is not formally recognized as a state.

The "policy" (or non-policy) of discouraging Taiwan from unilaterally declaring independence had been in practice since 1972, but remained unspoken until Clinton openly supported this so-called "three noes" policy.