View Full Version : Go back to church, loser.
DaysWithoutEnd
13 Nov 2003, 03:54 PM
At least somebody has some sense.
"Ten Commandments" judge fired (http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/13/moore.tencommandments/index.html).
tobedawg
13 Nov 2003, 10:06 PM
"Seperation of Church and State".. Great concept..
Unfortunately, I don't know how much longer this decision will stick.. Since the Florida case with the woman on the feeding tube and Gov. Jeb Bush's intervention with that court decision, I wonder how much longer it will be until somebody intervenes here..
Whenever the Conservative Christians get pissed off, they are more than very vocal about it!! I have a feeling that good old President W might step in here.. After all, "This is a Christian Nation"
Duemellon
13 Nov 2003, 10:52 PM
I think we need to accept Christianity as the state-endorsed religion and move from there. Fooling ourselves by attempting to prove to ourselves that Christianity isn't part of the legal foundation is making us look foolish and preventing a true separation of church & state functions
BigSugar
14 Nov 2003, 11:00 AM
yeah, and clinton lost his license to practice law b/c he lied under oath and got caught. doesn't seem to slow him down, so i think this judge will be fine making the talk show and speech circuit at about $100,000 per appearance for the next few years.
oh, and for the record. nowhere in the Constitution do the words "Separation of Church and State" appear. it's a judicial concept read into the what the architects of the document are "supposed" to have meant by "freedom of religion".
Juliana
14 Nov 2003, 01:27 PM
Regardless of where you stand religiously, the guy DID violate a federal mandate to move the statues
yvette7ica
14 Nov 2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Juliana
Regardless of where you stand religiously, the guy DID violate a federal mandate to move the statues
and became a hero for the Christians who supported keeping the Commandments there.
He won't have a problem finding another job or finding cash through books and interviews. (I actually agree with BS!)
Personally, I really could have cared less if they kept it there. If you don't like it don't look at it. Ignore it. You don't have to read it or believe it. By causing such a media frenzy it just religiously segregates people making the Christian right look more like victims.
monkey neck
14 Nov 2003, 02:07 PM
Where was this "Federal mandate" 100 years ago? This is just something that's come up in the last 10 or so years in our newly politically correct (or whatever we call that now) society. Aren't there bigger fish to fry?
IPrayForSound
14 Nov 2003, 02:11 PM
Ummm...the ten commandments are from the old testament, right? Wouldn't that make 'em jewish laws? Y'know, seeing as how all of that stuff was foretelling the coming of the jewish messiah, and christianity is essentially judaism for people who believe that the messiah had already come. This whole line of thinking is sending my brain in directions I shouldn't delve into here....
RichmondVA
14 Nov 2003, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by monkey neck
Where was this "Federal mandate" 100 years ago? This is just something that's come up in the last 10 or so years in our newly politically correct (or whatever we call that now) society. Aren't there bigger fish to fry?
Religious freedom is at the heart of what this country stands for. The Supreme Court was there to overturn some of the laws against Jehovah's Witnesses in the 30's. Engel vs. Vital (prayer in school) was in 1962. Lemon v. Kurtzman was in 1971.
This is by no means new. What is new is that there is a lot more variance in religious beliefs now, and thus more friction between groups. And we are moving back towards more Christianity in some areas. Like I said, prayer in schools was banned in 1962. Now it is a big deal again.
Moreover, the judge could have just taken the statue out of the courtroom temporarily and appealed the decision. He wasn't fired for the statue so much as for defying a judicial order and for making statements that clearly indicated he had no desire to apply the laws as they are written. I would not want to enter that courtoom as a non-Christian.
Jeff
14 Nov 2003, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by BigSugar
oh, and for the record. nowhere in the Constitution do the words "Separation of Church and State" appear. it's a judicial concept read into the what the architects of the document are "supposed" to have meant by "freedom of religion".
Works for me.
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