That'll teach him!

[DaysWithoutEnd]

CNN.com
Girls pummel man who exposed himself
Friday, October 31, 2003 Posted: 11:06 AM EST (1606 GMT)

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (Reuters) -- A man described by authorities as a known sexual predator was chased through the streets of South Philadelphia by an angry crowd of Catholic high school girls, who kicked and punched him after he was tackled by neighbors, police said Friday.

Rudy Susanto, 25, who had exposed himself to teen-age girls on as many as seven occasions outside St. Maria Goretti School, struck again on Thursday just as students were being dismissed, police said.

But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said.

When Susanto tried to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.

"The girls came and started kicking him and punching him, so I wasn't going to stop them," neighbor Robert Lemons told The Philadelphia Inquirer.

[red embers]

[B]Ha Ha! [/bart simpson's bully's voice]

[72valiant]

that is way cool! go get 'em girls.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Ha, Ha.
http://animatedtv.about.com/library/graphics/nelson_small.jpg
Better? Or did you mean this
http://www.cps.k12.ri.us/~chse/images/soccer/soccer9.jpg

There's nothing like streching out before a good beating.

[Duemellon]

everyone...
TAKE JUSTICE INTO YOUR OWN HANDS!

There's no need for laws, or police, just do it when you have the chance and don't forget the pearl-handled six-shooters... yeee haw!

[monkey neck]

Due, tell me...how many school girls have you flashed?

This guy probably liked it anyway.

[watusi]

Originally posted by Duemellon
everyone...
TAKE JUSTICE INTO YOUR OWN HANDS!

There's no need for laws, or police, just do it when you have the chance and don't forget the pearl-handled six-shooters... yeee haw!

i really hope you're kidding. you aren't Actually going to fault these girls,are you?

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Why is it that a naked "Girl Gone Wild" becomes the subject of numerous psuedo-documentaries, but a naked "Guy Gone Wild" becomes the subject of a savage beating? I'm sure peoples' reactions would be different if it was the other way around. Go ahead, try to imagine it.

We do some strange things in this country.

[watusi]

Originally posted by DaysWithoutEnd
Why is it that a naked "Girl Gone Wild" becomes the subject of numerous psuedo-documentaries, but a naked "Guy Gone Wild" becomes the subject of a savage beating? I'm sure peoples' reactions would be different if it was the other way around. Go ahead, try to imagine it.

We do some strange things in this country.

perhaps it's because those "girls gone wild" aren't out to molest/rape children.
and don't pretend that flashing your cock at young girls can be equated to a college chick showing her tits.

use your brain for chrissake.

[Bronzetree]

Originally posted by watusi


perhaps it's because those "girls gone wild" aren't out to molest/rape children.
and don't pretend that flashing your cock at young girls can be equated to a college chick showing her tits.

use your brain for chrissake.

Most male flashers don't have sex crimes on their records. Most are just like those college chicks, they like attention and get off on showing their stuff to people in public.

[Megs79]

Yeah, but most of the chicks on girls gone wild are encouraged to show their stuff (to a receptive audience), while I'm pretty sure the school girls weren't encouraging this guy to show it off.

[watusi]

Originally posted by Bronzetree


Most male flashers don't have sex crimes on their records. Most are just like those college chicks, they like attention and get off on showing their stuff to people in public.

stats?

so its okay if i decide to let your little one see mine? i doubt it,BT.

and whats the next step when the thrill of just showing your junk in public isn't enough?
maybe showing it a little closer? and then what? pulling them into an alley? and when thats not enough?

it amazes me that sympathy could be shown to this kind of human waste.
but i guess i shouldn't be suprised.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Most male flashers don't have sex crimes on their records. Most are just like those college chicks, they like attention and get off on showing their stuff to people in public.

Yeah, what he said. ...

For the sake of argument, let's say it was a different flasher who doesn't have a record, and it was adult women instead of schoolgirls. Giving the flasher the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's not out to rape anyone, what's the difference between him and the college girl?

I'm not saying it's right... just asking the question.


Edited: Here are some facts. (http://www.dss.mil/nf/adr/sexbeh/sexT3.htm#Exhibitionism)

[Megs79]

Originally posted by DaysWithoutEnd
Giving the flasher the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's not out to rape anyone, what's the difference between him and the college girl?


he's not in cancun on spring break
he's not drunk off his face
there's not a camera catching the debauchery on film
the women aren't encouraging him to show it


What, is he just airing them out?

I think there's a big difference.

[watusi]

from that same report :

The type of activity engaged in by pedophiles varies greatly. It may be limited to undressing and observing the child, or it may include fondling the child, exposing themselves or masturbating in the presence of the child,...


so go ahead with all of your "what ifs" or"lets suppose" that you want.
dude would still get a huge dose of whuppass if it was my child,your child or anyones child.everytime.

[chicodaman]

Just like this...
http://www.cyberbubba.net/whoopass.jpg

[DaysWithoutEnd]

The type of activity engaged in by pedophiles varies greatly. It may be limited to undressing and observing the child, or it may include fondling the child, exposing themselves or masturbating in the presence of the child,...
You've taken this quote out of context. A pedofile may be an exhibitionist, but an exhibitionist is usually not a pediphile. Yes, it's obviously wrong that this involves children. No one is disputing that.

What about adults? Forget this specific example for a moment. I was trying to provoke discussion, not rage.

there's not a camera catching the debauchery on film
Does this mean it would be okay if he were drunk and being videotaped at Mardi Gras? Not seeing the "big difference" here.

[72valiant]

i believe you all are missing the point.

breasts are, for the most part, beautiful. on the other hand, some guy showed me his shrivelly sac, well he'd get a beat down from me fo' sho'.

[Megs79]

I'm not saying it's okay. I think in both situations, it's disgusting. But in one circumstance, the exposing is being encouraged, while in another, it's an act of sexual perversion. I doubt that the girls in the videos derive the same kind of pleasure flashing the camera and a bunch of drunk frat boys as the sexual predator exposing himself to high school girls.

[72valiant]

Originally posted by Megs79
I'm not saying it's okay. I think in both situations, it's disgusting. But in one circumstance, the exposing is being encouraged, while in another, it's an act of sexual perversion. I doubt that the girls in the videos derive the same kind of pleasure flashing the camera and a bunch of drunk frat boys as the sexual predator exposing himself to high school girls.

right on megs. never seen a dvd advertised espousing the party going male flasher. and the catholic girls reaction pretty much sums up how, i think, most people feel about that. violence certainly isn't the answer, but after seven times i think this guy needed a lesson drummed in.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Am I the only one who sees absurdity in these double-standards? Naked is naked, male or female. Assuming there's no children involved, why are some kinds of nudity less offensive than others? Are we just conditioned to think that way??

breasts are, for the most part, beautiful...
No argument there.
So it depends on if the person and/or body part is attractive?

I doubt that the girls in the videos derive the same kind of pleasure...
... or does it depend on the kind of pleasure one gets from it?

[72valiant]

i believe it is called general consensus or majority rules. then there is this thing called sexual harrassment. *pop* is that a can of worms opening?

i believe the schoolgirls did not ask to be flashed, were repeatedly flashed, were offended, the guy was told to stop and did not.

i doubt anyone in a ggw video would say they were offended.

[Megs79]

It's not a double standard. Girls Gone Wild and people that expose themself to children are totally different things. Naked IS naked. If the drunk chicks in GGW videos were flashing themselves to high school kids, I'm sure it would be a prosecutable offense.

It's the spirit of the acts that are different. Women are allowed in most places to breastfeed in public. They're not trying to get themselves off, they're trying to feed their babies. That's nudity, involving adults and children.

A man who, on the other hand, exposes himself to children without provocation or encouragement because of a sexual urge, that's criminal.

It's the underlying reason for the nakedness that is the issue.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

This still leaves the question of why a "majority" of people (in a general sense) are more offended by some body parts than other.

[Duemellon]

i doubt anyone in a ggw video would say they were offended. but ggw aren't videoed (as if that's the right way to spell it) in private places, are they? Nope. So even tho those urging them on wanted it the bus full of choir-girls headed to the "Flesh is Evil" conference will be tainted forever.

I'm shamed by how quickly ppl associate interactions with children to be pedophilic. My x-fiancee explained to me that one time she had chickenpox so bad (as a teen) that she was in the bathroom soaking, scratchin, soaking, and it just frustrated her sooooo bad she walked into her parent's room and cried in her father's arms.

If her mother walked in at that time what would she think? Huh? If a social worker ever got a photo of it what then?

We are far too polarized concerning sexuality. The subtle hints that "sex is evil" is a bit crazy. Sure, sex has a degree of responsibility which children are incapable of handling so they must be protected from those who WOULD take advantage, but to claim this guy was a "pedophile" is to claim a gun enthusiast is a future murderer.

Maybe to him it wasn't the "young girl" part that interested him as much as the religion? or just simply availability? Idunno, he should be going to jail for his actions all the same.

As for the whole "take justice into your own hands" I meant just that. If you say it's okay for these kids and neighbors to exact instant punishment on this guy where do you draw the line? Flight 83 took justice into their own hands, the Norwood Gay-bar shooter took justice into his own hands, and the US took justice into the MidEast on it's own, this "cowboy" attitude is sinking into our country at an accelerated rate and it scares me.

If our legal system is broken you FIX it, you don't circumvent it.

[72valiant]

Originally posted by DaysWithoutEnd
This still leaves the question of why a "majority" of people (in a general sense) are more offended by some body parts than other.

socialization

[Megs79]

Originally posted by DaysWithoutEnd
This still leaves the question of why a "majority" of people (in a general sense) are more offended by some body parts than other.

Normally, someone's hand wouldn't offend me, but if they slap me with it, I'm gonna be mad.

Just like some guy's dick isn't offensive, until he shoves it in my face without asking me first if it's okay.

[red embers]

If a guy flashes women, there's the potential for the guy to be predatory and/or assaultive. Even if that's all he does, he'll still probably provoke fear in his "victims".

If a woman flashes, at the very worst it'd be offensive or laughed at, but the idea of it being predatory is pretty ridiculous.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

socialization
That's my point. It's absurd that we socialize ourselves to be so offended by the human body, and more so that some parts are more offensive than others.

in my face...
So it also depends on the proximity to your face?
How close is too close?

[72valiant]

Originally posted by Megs79


Normally, someone's hand wouldn't offend me, but if they slap me with it, I'm gonna be mad.

Just like some guy's dick isn't offensive, until he shoves it in my face without asking me first if it's okay.

not me, i be pissed even if he did ask.:D

[monkey neck]

This is the reason we have laws in place. If everyone acted on their urges, we'd all be dead or beat up or something. People just need to follow the daggone rules. It's simple.

[72valiant]

Originally posted by DaysWithoutEnd

That's my point. It's absurd that we socialize ourselves to be so offended by the human body, and more so that some parts are more offensive than others.


break the chain. have kids. be a teacher.

[Megs79]

Originally posted by monkey neck
People just need to follow the daggone rules. It's simple.

Amen to that!

[DaysWithoutEnd]

Originally posted by monkey neck
People just need to follow the daggone rules. It's simple.
But the rules are created by the people who were already socialized this way!!

[Megs79]

Nudists of the world unite! You have nothing to lose except your clothes.

[monkey neck]

Originally posted by DaysWithoutEnd

But the rules are created by the people who were already socialized this way!!

I'll be at your house tonight at 8 o'clock in all my glory. Enjoy.

[Juliana]

Savage Love (http://www.theonionavclub.com/3942/savage.html)


Question:
We all agree that groping without consent of the gropee is wrong. If Arnold out in California did the dirty deed, he should be brought to justice. But, as a happy guy who has never groped a woman without her consent, I have a different hypothesis: Say I'm out shopping. An attractive woman approaches and makes eye contact, and we exchange smiles. Then, she slowly and furtively reaches over and caresses my privates. Call me a perv, but frankly, I wouldn't mind a bit. In fact, it would make my day. Betcha most guys would agree, but sadly, if the genders were reversed, betcha most women would not.
Go Right Ahead Baby And Squeeze Softly

Dan's Answer:
You're right, GRABASS: Most women would mind being groped by a stranger in a store. Betcha most women would call the cops. And why is that? Because male-on-female groping has a different context than female-on-male groping. Very few men are raped, abused, or murdered by women, GRABASS, and women can hear the word "No" without stalking or terrorizing the men who've dumped them. Not all straight men are violent rapists or nutso stalkers, of course, but most women either know someone of their own gender who has been the victim of male sexual violence, or have been victimized themselves. So a man who grabs a woman he doesn't know isn't going to be perceived as a friendly, flirty guy, GRABASS, but as a mortal threat.

[red embers]

Originally posted by monkey neck
I'll be at your house tonight at 8 o'clock in all my glory. Enjoy.

:p

[Duemellon]

If a guy flashes women, there's the potential for the guy to be predatory and/or assaultive. Even if that's all he does, he'll still probably provoke fear in his "victims". and you are aware that many sexual predators don't have any outward symptoms either?

I mean, the depection of a sexual predator as:

A drunk conceited and apathetic college boy;
A depraved single middle-aged man living in seclution but overly "friendly" with children;
A closet-gay priest/minister;
A savage low-intellect unattractive impoverished hoodlum;

Are ALL wrong, most sexual predators don't have any of those descriptors. Many of them are well adjusted, socially, meaning they are charming, intelligent, participate in society, but they simply have a mental block when it comes to how to handle sex, how to pursue it, and how to accept sexual rejection.

[DaysWithoutEnd]

So a man ... isn't going to be perceived as a friendly, flirty guy, but as a mortal threat.

This is another problem. Flasher girl - everyone assumes drunk sorority chick. Flasher guy - everyone assumes sexual predator. Judge the individual, not the statistics! You're all a bunch of nude-cists. ;o)

[drexel dave]

ahhh...finally....a little arab style justice.

He's lucky he didn't live down the street from me. They posted info about some Chester Molester to everyone in the neighborhood last summer, and he was dead in about a week. They found him with 24 deep knife slices all throughout his body.

The story made page 2 I think.

Nobody cared the next day.

On another subject entirely, the unattractive nature of the male genetalia would certainly be disputed by several past and current female companions of mine.

I have had more than one outwardly charming and socially adept young lady attempt to attract my fancy by requesting that I rub the whole of my testicular region all over their mouth and chin, while I performed a windshield wiper like action with my penis in order to arouse and stimulate them.

It worked on me too.

[Bronzetree]

Originally posted by watusi
stats?

so its okay if i decide to let your little one see mine? i doubt it,BT.

and whats the next step when the thrill of just showing your junk in public isn't enough?
maybe showing it a little closer? and then what? pulling them into an alley? and when thats not enough?

it amazes me that sympathy could be shown to this kind of human waste.
but i guess i shouldn't be suprised.

Way to read into a post and overreact. Settle down. Nowhere in my post did I say I condone it, or that I have any sympathy for this fuck. I stated a fact, as did DaysWithoutEnd. Pedophiles and rapists can be flashers, but not ALL flashers are pedophiles and rapists. Simple fact. Just because this guy flashed his dick at some high school girls doesn't automatically qualify him as a rapist or pedophile. Fuckhead that needs his ass kicked? Undoubtedbly. But automatically placing a label on someone because of one action is bullshit. He needs his ass kicked for public indeceny, not rape.

And yes, if it were my daughter, he'd be bruised beyond recognition.

Now, kindly climb the fuck back up out of my throat. Thanks.

[monkey neck]

Originally posted by drexel dave
On another subject entirely, the unattractive nature of the male genetalia would certainly be disputed by several past and current female companions of mine.


Hey everyone, DD has a pretty peepee.

Thanks, Dave, for that. I'll be able to sleep by Wednesday.

[Bronzetree]

Originally posted by watusi
it amazes me that sympathy could be shown to this kind of human waste.
but i guess i shouldn't be suprised.

Oh, and by the way, what the fuck is, "But I guess I shouldn't be surprised" supposed to mean? Are you implying something?

[Rafe]

We get this kind of shit in england, too - cut to the chase, no fucking debate over expose/rape/expose - the guy who flashed his Tackle got a deserved Shoeing - By the people who count - the girls confronted by the fucking wanker!!

An incident to be looked at as independantly as it was posted to us - so, not a rapist - dont judge - but a piece of dirt nonetheless